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Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 05:13 PM
I had an interesting experience last night. I've known a man for a time, a friend/acquaintance, no dating, I am not led to date or seek a mate. Yes, my age has helped me become content in staying single. But for many years, the first few of the 18 or more I have been unbiblically divorced (as well as 1 other marriage and divorce after I was saved, then 2 marriages before I was saved).

Ok, so I am settled, content, know I am in God's will to remain single. But I got a text last night with these verses to show me it was ok for someone in my circumstances to marry again. At first I thought wow, there is something in the bible. But I fully believe I was led by God's Holy Spirit to not just look them up, but to read around them. Here are the verses I was given:

1 Corinthians 7:27-28

27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.

Anyone new to studying the bible, or hearing someone preach it might think like I did, wow, you can be married again without sinning. But look at the scripture around these:


1 Corinthians 7:25-40
25 Now concerning virgins: I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.

32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. 33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. 34 There is[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28522a)] a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband. 35 And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry. 37 Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin,[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28525b)] does well. 38 So then he who gives her[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28526c)] in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.
39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God.

This was written to, and for virgins, unmarried man/woman & widows. If you look up a few verses, you find verses to regarding marriage and divorced folks. (I made the blue, bible text a little bigger, seemed hard, for me at least, to read).

My whole point in posting this is how I was shown how misinterpretations can happen if I don't read ALL God's Word. If anyone wants to share their experience, with verses out of context, I would love to have you share them. Also, I realize some may see the above differently then I. I'm just conveying what I believe to be true, and found comfort, and confirmation from God, that I was on the right track.

God bless, denise, a sister in Christ

Aviyah
Oct 30th 2013, 05:24 PM
I've noticed that almost every response from Jesus can be taken out of context if you don't read the question being asked. People who are opposed to Christianity/Judaism also like to choose one or two verses from the OT to make it seem as if God is evil without reading about the atrocities which God's divine judgment could not ignore. On the flip side, I don't think we are capable of understanding the full meaning of any verse in the Bible because there are a seemingly infinite number of parallels and hidden discoveries waiting to be found on closer examination. The two books which I've noticed this the most are Genesis and Joshua!

But it wasn't until recently that I've tried to put into practice reading an entire chapter surrounding a verse if someone posts it or shows it to me to make a point. Oftentimes, just like as what happened with you, we don't see the meaning of something until we read back a few sentences.

Curtis
Oct 30th 2013, 05:43 PM
I had an interesting experience last night. I've known a man for a time, a friend/acquaintance, no dating, I am not led to date or seek a mate. Yes, my age has helped me become content in staying single. But for many years, the first few of the 18 or more I have been unbiblically divorced (as well as 1 other marriage and divorce after I was saved, then 2 marriages before I was saved).

Ok, so I am settled, content, know I am in God's will to remain single. But I got a text last night with these verses to show me it was ok for someone in my circumstances to marry again. At first I thought wow, there is something in the bible. But I fully believe I was led by God's Holy Spirit to not just look them up, but to read around them. Here are the verses I was given:

1 Corinthians 7:27-28

27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.

Anyone new to studying the bible, or hearing someone preach it might think like I did, wow, you can be married again without sinning. But look at the scripture around these:


1 Corinthians 7:25-40
25 Now concerning virgins: I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.

32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. 33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. 34 There is[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28522a)] a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband. 35 And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry. 37 Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin,[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28525b)] does well. 38 So then he who gives her[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28526c)] in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.
39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God.

This was written to, and for virgins, unmarried man/woman & widows. If you look up a few verses, you find verses to regarding marriage and divorced folks. (I made the blue, bible text a little bigger, seemed hard, for me at least, to read).

My whole point in posting this is how I was shown how misinterpretations can happen if I don't read ALL God's Word. If anyone wants to share their experience, with verses out of context, I would love to have you share them. Also, I realize some may see the above differently then I. I'm just conveying what I believe to be true, and found comfort, and confirmation from God, that I was on the right track.

God bless, denise, a sister in Christ

Obviously there are going to be times when someone gets saved and goes home to unbelieving wife or husband. Usually it is a welcome thing to the others spouse, but not always. Some will leave the believer not wanting anything to do with them. In that case that person is not under bondage so that they can marry again as long as it is in the Lord. Marriage is good not bad. If we did not have any Godly marriages how else would we continue spreading the Gospel through our children.

1Co 7:15 If the unbeliever leaves, let that person go. In that case, a believing man or woman does not have to stay married. God wants us to live in peace. (NiRV)

God's original plan was there would be not such a thing as divorce. This will take place when the perfect marriage takes place at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 05:59 PM
Obviously there are going to be times when someone gets saved and goes home to unbelieving wife or husband. Usually it is a welcome thing to the others spouse, but not always. Some will leave the believer not wanting anything to do with them. In that case that person is not under bondage so that they can marry again as long as it is in the Lord. Marriage is good not bad. If we did not have any Godly marriages how else would we continue spreading the Gospel through our children.

1Co 7:15 If the unbeliever leaves, let that person go. In that case, a believing man or woman does not have to stay married. God wants us to live in peace. (NiRV)

God's original plan was there would be not such a thing as divorce. This will take place when the perfect marriage takes place at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

This is more about "out of context" though than marriage/divorce. It just happened this was where verses were used out of context. Thank you for the input though. I just want to try and keep on track if possible;)

denise, a sister in Christ

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 06:08 PM
I've noticed that almost every response from Jesus can be taken out of context if you don't read the question being asked. People who are opposed to Christianity/Judaism also like to choose one or two verses from the OT to make it seem as if God is evil without reading about the atrocities which God's divine judgment could not ignore. On the flip side, I don't think we are capable of understanding the full meaning of any verse in the Bible because there are a seemingly infinite number of parallels and hidden discoveries waiting to be found on closer examination. The two books which I've noticed this the most are Genesis and Joshua!

But it wasn't until recently that I've tried to put into practice reading an entire chapter surrounding a verse if someone posts it or shows it to me to make a point. Oftentimes, just like as what happened with you, we don't see the meaning of something until we read back a few sentences.

Really good observations in my opinion, I think we can use a verse any, way we want almost. That is where much of false-doctrine comes from I think. And no, I do not think I will ever understand everything in the bible, some I just accept by faith because I know God will not lead me astray. It is such a priviledge/blessing to have His Word, it is a map to follow for my whole life.

Balabusha
Oct 30th 2013, 06:33 PM
Really good observations in my opinion, I think we can use a verse any, way we want almost. That is where much of false-doctrine comes from I think. And no, I do not think I will ever understand everything in the bible, some I just accept by faith because I know God will not lead me astray. It is such a priviledge/blessing to have His Word, it is a map to follow for my whole life.

The biggest defense to this is knowing the Bible as a whole-those who use proof texts hold the whole of the Bible hostage by knowing only/concentrating on a few verses.
The Bible is the mind of one Author, this is what is called the "analogy of faith" that sparked the reformation in relation to the Catholic church using prooftexts, tradition,church Fathers and apostollic succession
My upbringing used the analogy of faith-we were not Christian, but we were sola scriptura Jews

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 06:43 PM
The biggest defense to this is knowing the Bible as a whole-those who use proof texts hold the whole of the Bible hostage by knowing only/concentrating on a few verses.
The Bible is the mind of one Author, this is what is called the "analogy of faith" that sparked the reformation in relation to the Catholic church using prooftexts, tradition,church Fathers and apostollic succession
My upbringing used the analogy of faith-we were not Christian, but we were sola scriptura Jews

I always remind myself, and sometimes others, that the bible is The Word of God, meaning, not the words of God. It says to me that it is a "whole" and singular Word, so all is necessary;)

Jade99
Oct 30th 2013, 07:05 PM
It's a lot of people that take scripture out of context, but it's usually due to their own ignorance.

Disclaimer: All those who thing that may be about you. Calm down, it's in general statement format.

Anyhoo, there is a danger about adding and taking away from the bible.

-But some feel that if the example given isn't verbatam, then it's adding or taking away.

The defense to that is "it don't say anything like that in the bible......blah, blah, blah, blah....yuk"

There are a lot of words that aint in the bible like trinity, rapture, bubba boo, doesn't mean that it's not right. (the bubba boo was just a joke btw)

Like I said, it's based on a lot of things, but mostly the learning of what was taught.

It seems what makes a false doctrine is one verse being twisted and built from that by the person's own interpretation.

Jade99
Oct 30th 2013, 07:07 PM
I had an interesting experience last night. I've known a man for a time, a friend/acquaintance, no dating, I am not led to date or seek a mate. Yes, my age has helped me become content in staying single. But for many years, the first few of the 18 or more I have been unbiblically divorced (as well as 1 other marriage and divorce after I was saved, then 2 marriages before I was saved).

Ok, so I am settled, content, know I am in God's will to remain single. But I got a text last night with these verses to show me it was ok for someone in my circumstances to marry again. At first I thought wow, there is something in the bible. But I fully believe I was led by God's Holy Spirit to not just look them up, but to read around them. Here are the verses I was given:

1 Corinthians 7:27-28

27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.

Anyone new to studying the bible, or hearing someone preach it might think like I did, wow, you can be married again without sinning. But look at the scripture around these:


1 Corinthians 7:25-40
25 Now concerning virgins: I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.

32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. 33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. 34 There is[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28522a)] a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband. 35 And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction.
36 But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry. 37 Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin,[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28525b)] does well. 38 So then he who gives her[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-28526c)] in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.
39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God.

This was written to, and for virgins, unmarried man/woman & widows. If you look up a few verses, you find verses to regarding marriage and divorced folks. (I made the blue, bible text a little bigger, seemed hard, for me at least, to read).

My whole point in posting this is how I was shown how misinterpretations can happen if I don't read ALL God's Word. If anyone wants to share their experience, with verses out of context, I would love to have you share them. Also, I realize some may see the above differently then I. I'm just conveying what I believe to be true, and found comfort, and confirmation from God, that I was on the right track.

God bless, denise, a sister in Christ

This is so true. My pastor used to tell us not to take his word for it, but to go home and study the word for ourselves, but also to ask the Holy Spirit to give us the understanding of the word, so we understand the word from God's pov and not that of our own.

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 07:18 PM
This is so true. My pastor used to tell us not to take his word for it, but to go home and study the word for ourselves, but also to ask the Holy Spirit to give us the understanding of the word, so we understand the word from God's pov and not that of our own.

That was a good pastor;) humble:)

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Balabusha
Oct 30th 2013, 07:32 PM
I always remind myself, and sometimes others, that the bible is The Word of God, meaning, not the words of God. It says to me that it is a "whole" and singular Word, so all is necessary;)

Fore sure, the bible as a whole is made up of a sum of its parts, but the individual parts can't hold the whole hostage.

Curtis
Oct 30th 2013, 07:40 PM
Here is my understanding of taking scripture out of context.
In schools today this is what they teach, every thing must stay in context, context, context.
Even in most if not all Church's also teach this. There is only one problem with this kind of thinking.
The Lord did not learn from man how to speak or write his Word. We learn from him, not the other way around.
We have a spiritual being who lives and inhabits eternity. He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, all at the same time. How can we pin God down to one time zone, or age? He calls the end from the beginning. He never operates in a standard way like man does. It is not always 1-2-3 with God. Sometimes he goes 2-1-3. Read the Book of Revelations it is not in any chronological order, it is just vision after vision. He might be talking about the end of times in one verse, and then he switches to the beginning, then goes somewhere else out of sequence. How can we keep all those things in context? You can not.

Here is a scientific fact, if you take someone underwater and then teach them something, and then bring them back up to the surface, and ask them what they learned underwater they will remember most of what they learned. Let a couple days go by and ask them again what they learned, they will forget most of what they learned. But if you take them back down underwater to where they leaned, they will remember every thing. This is how I stay in context in the Word of God. We are to learn while we are in the Spirit. This is the environment (context) we learn from God. We get out of context when we try to analyze scripture based on human reasoning and thinking. Staying in context is staying in the Spirit where the Father teaches his children by His Spirit.

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 07:59 PM
Fore sure, the bible as a whole is made up of a sum of its parts, but the individual parts can't hold the whole hostage.

True sis, thanks for your input, I hope we get lots of participation. Seems like some subjects are more popular, but I don't always like to disagree back and forth, but sometimes I admit, it is both necessary, as well as enlightning;) denise

Nick
Oct 30th 2013, 09:24 PM
I believe there's a big difference between intentionally taking Scripture out of context to conform to a certain agenda (i.e. a pastor's sermon) and unintentionally taking it out of context (i.e. differences of opinion on the interpretation of the text).

Jade99
Oct 30th 2013, 09:26 PM
I believe there's a big difference between intentionally taking Scripture out of context to conform to a certain agenda (i.e. a pastor's sermon) and unintentionally taking it out of context (i.e. differences of opinion on the interpretation of the text).

That's true. I agree.

Oregongrown
Oct 30th 2013, 10:29 PM
I believe there's a big difference between intentionally taking Scripture out of context to conform to a certain agenda (i.e. a pastor's sermon) and unintentionally taking it out of context (i.e. differences of opinion on the interpretation of the text).

Oh I would agree Nick, I'm talking about unintentional, as well as intentional. I think we can say a verse without reciting the whole chapter of course. It's just especially for those that are not well studied, like myself, see something quoted, it is important to see the surrounding text i.e. the verses in my OP:)

Thanks for your input, denise, a sister in Christ