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Nick
Nov 11th 2013, 05:34 AM
In reading this tonight with the wife, we couldn't help but think of all the places in the world where it is not true. There are approx. 2 billion Christians in the world. How could this Proverb be true?

Aviyah
Nov 11th 2013, 05:25 PM
The surrounding verses seem to indicate that this is in regards to work. God rewards honest labor:

Ill-gotten treasures have no lasting value,
but righteousness delivers from death.
3 The Lord does not let the righteous go hungry,
but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.
4 Lazy hands make for poverty,
but diligent hands bring wealth.
5 He who gathers crops in summer is a prudent son,
but he who sleeps during harvest is a disgraceful son.

jayne
Nov 11th 2013, 05:53 PM
In reading this tonight with the wife, we couldn't help but think of all the places in the world where it is not true. There are approx. 2 billion Christians in the world. How could this Proverb be true?

Aviyah could possibly be right. Those proverbs connected to each other might be all talking about honest work.

But I think it also stands alone all by itself - "The Lord will not let the righteous go hungry, but He denies the wicked what they crave."


To me, it's not talking about literal food. Some versions of the Bible include the phrase "soul of the righteous". I think it's talking about spiritual cravings. Jesus said those who hunger and thirst after righteousness will be filled. The cravings of the wicked - seeking fulfillment in ungodly things - they will never be fulfilled. Sin merely leads to a desire for more sin and the "thirst" is never quenched. It's never enough.

For those seeking solace and fulfillment in porn, alcohol, drugs, adultery, self-pity, sinful anger, and more - it's never enough. They are never fulfilled.

But the person hungry for God and His righteousness, that person will find satisfaction and peace.

Nick
Nov 12th 2013, 12:17 AM
Aviyah could possibly be right. Those proverbs connected to each other might be all talking about honest work.

But I think it also stands alone all by itself - "The Lord will not let the righteous go hungry, but He denies the wicked what they crave."


To me, it's not talking about literal food. Some versions of the Bible include the phrase "soul of the righteous". I think it's talking about spiritual cravings. Jesus said those who hunger and thirst after righteousness will be filled. The cravings of the wicked - seeking fulfillment in ungodly things - they will never be fulfilled. Sin merely leads to a desire for more sin and the "thirst" is never quenched. It's never enough.

For those seeking solace and fulfillment in porn, alcohol, drugs, adultery, self-pity, sinful anger, and more - it's never enough. They are never fulfilled.

But the person hungry for God and His righteousness, that person will find satisfaction and peace.

I've looked at the translator notes from various versions of the Bible and it refers to being delivered from hunger and death (i.e. "give us our daily bread"). There are believers in certain parts of the world where food is such a scare commodity that the people literally starve to death. I've been looking into which countries to do our first mission trip and Rwanda stands out as one of the better options (they seem to be open to Gospel message there). The starvation in that country and others like it is not due to an unwillingness to work.

Curtis
Nov 12th 2013, 03:44 AM
Pro 10:3 The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry, but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.

Food for the body is a must in this life, but there is also a food for the spiritual man to.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The righteous shall never go hungry not only for physical food but also spiritual food. Jesus said, "My meat is to do the will of my Father."

oh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Interesting that meat, or food is a part of our appetite, or diet. The word, "desire" also has a meaning that is "appetite"
God gave Adam and Eve their diet plan which was to eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of the knowledge of good, and evil.
They changed their diet to include what God told them not to eat, by "desiring" a different food group.
Jesus's meat, "desire" was only to do the will of his Father.
The righteous will never come to a place were their desire (meat, food) for to do the will of God to be lacking.
He will always be working his power through them.
The wicked will not see their desires fulfilled.

cindyt
Nov 12th 2013, 03:57 AM
Pro 10:3 The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry, but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.

Food for the body is a must in this life, but there is also a food for the spiritual man to.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The righteous shall never go hungry not only for physical food but also spiritual food. Jesus said, "My meat is to do the will of my Father."

oh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Interesting that meat, or food is a part of our appetite, or diet. The word, "desire" also has a meaning that is "appetite"
God gave Adam and Eve their diet plan which was to eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of the knowledge of good, and evil.
They changed their diet to include what God told them not to eat, by "desiring" a different food group.
Jesus's meat, "desire" was only to do the will of his Father.
The righteous will never come to a place were their desire (meat, food) for to do the will of God to be lacking.
He will always be working his power through them.
The wicked will not see their desires fulfilled. Exactly. I am reading the section on China in BY THEIR BLOOD: Missionary Martyrs of the 20th Century by James and Marti Hefley. During great famines many missionaries refused to leave their missions because they wanted to help their Christian natives. Many of them ate very little--or nothing at all--so that their flocks would have enough to eat. Many of those missionaries starved to death, so, no, there are no promises from God that the righteous will not suffer hunger and thirst and other terrible things.

Nick
Nov 12th 2013, 05:41 AM
Exactly. I am reading the section on China in BY THEIR BLOOD: Missionary Martyrs of the 20th Century by James and Marti Hefley. During great famines many missionaries refused to leave their missions because they wanted to help their Christian natives. Many of them ate very little--or nothing at all--so that their flocks would have enough to eat. Many of those missionaries starved to death, so, no, there are no promises from God that the righteous will not suffer hunger and thirst and other terrible things.

And this is why I believe some of the proverbs are "generally" true, but not always and certainly not in all situations.

cindyt
Nov 12th 2013, 06:59 AM
And this is why I believe some of the proverbs are "generally" true, but not always and certainly not in all situations.
If one part of the Bible is a lie--even a "general" lie, NONE of it can be trusted. If The Bible lied about hunger, maybe it lied about Jesus' virgin birth or/and his resurrection. I do not buy one iota of it being not true. What I believe is that in our imperfection we do not always understand what certain verses mean. Also, we cannot look at one verse, we need to look at the whole chapter so as not to take that verse out of context. That is all.

Nick
Nov 14th 2013, 06:36 AM
If one part of the Bible is a lie--even a "general" lie, NONE of it can be trusted. If The Bible lied about hunger, maybe it lied about Jesus' virgin birth or/and his resurrection. I do not buy one iota of it being not true. What I believe is that in our imperfection we do not always understand what certain verses mean. Also, we cannot look at one verse, we need to look at the whole chapter so as not to take that verse out of context. That is all.

That's an extremist view. The translators even suggest that some proverbs are to be taken as generalizations. Do a study on the book of Proverbs. You'll find many verses in there simply do not hold true for ALL believers everywhere, especially the plethora of verses concerning obedience leading to material prosperity. Why do the wicked prosper? A proverb by definition is a short pithy saying in general use, slating a general truth or piece of advice. They are all not considered absolute truths for every circumstance. You cannot possibly look at the number of righteous believers dying every year from starvation and say Prov 10:3 is true for them this side of heaven.