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TheSkiesAllCry
Jul 1st 2016, 06:51 AM
The list of new posts appears to be dominated by eschatological themes. Is eschatology a very high priority theological theme?

Diggindeeper
Jul 1st 2016, 05:52 PM
The number of posts in any forum only shows where people's interest lies. Not that it is a 'priority' for us, here. It's just that more people are interested in discussing that particular issue.

Uncle Bud
Jul 1st 2016, 07:36 PM
Because eschatology is fascinating, but that doesn't mean it's best. Candy tastes good, but it is not the best food for us. I once had an old preacher tell me to focus on holiness rather than prophecy. Very good advice.

Aviyah
Jul 1st 2016, 07:44 PM
Basically, eschatology has the most room for disagreement within the bounds of protestantism. So there are more topics there where entire concepts can be hotly debated as opposed to, say, gospel-related subjects which tend to have discussions on very specific ideas within an overarching theme everyone agrees on. BC explodes whenever someone decides to make the hundredth N/OSAS or Calvinism megathread. ETC explodes when... well it explodes over a lot, Lol.

TheDivineWatermark
Jul 2nd 2016, 07:24 PM
Because eschatology is fascinating, but that doesn't mean it's best. Candy tastes good, but it is not the best food for us. I once had an old preacher tell me to focus on holiness rather than prophecy. Very good advice.

A guy I heard once said, attention to prophecy helps foster holiness.

Uncle Bud
Jul 2nd 2016, 07:40 PM
A guy I heard once said, attention to prophecy helps foster holiness.

It can also backfire later on when the time frames come and go without fulfillment.

TheDivineWatermark
Jul 2nd 2016, 09:53 PM
It can also backfire later on when the time frames come and go without fulfillment.

I'm referring to "the hope of salvation" (not that we are wishfully hoping to be maybe be saved; but that future aspect of the salvation we already possess):

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch [G1127] and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love;
and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [this is a specific area of "understanding" we are to have]

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [context: an eschatological salvation]

10 Who died for us, that, whether we watch [G1127] or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.


[and]

"the One delivering us [out-]from the wrath coming" 1 Thessalonians 1:10


These have to do with "future things" (as its context). That's what I understand by the OP's use of the phrase "eschatological themes" (and our attention to it).

TheSkiesAllCry
Jul 3rd 2016, 06:24 AM
The most end times oriented people I encounter are Jehovah's witnesses. If one gets past Law and Sabbath issues Seventh Day Adventists are also end times oriented. I think that some of the Hebrew Names and Hebrew Roots movement people are also end times oriented. I don't know if these are an indication of how end times orientation relates to holiness. From what I have seen Jehovah's witnesses are concerned with holy living, the same would be true of the Law and Sabbath oriented groups.

Diggindeeper
Jul 3rd 2016, 06:53 AM
But, TheSkiesAllCry, these are cults and can only be discussed in the Areopagus forum!
Not here, in Bible Chat. You are new and need to know that.
This is a Christian Message board, not a cult one. But we do have that one forum where we will discuss cult beliefs.

Uncle Bud
Jul 4th 2016, 05:56 PM
The most end times oriented people I encounter are Jehovah's witnesses. If one gets past Law and Sabbath issues Seventh Day Adventists are also end times oriented. I think that some of the Hebrew Names and Hebrew Roots movement people are also end times oriented. I don't know if these are an indication of how end times orientation relates to holiness. From what I have seen Jehovah's witnesses are concerned with holy living, the same would be true of the Law and Sabbath oriented groups.

Many Evangelicals have been too. Hal Lindsey, John Hagee, Southwest Radio Church, etc

TheDivineWatermark
Jul 4th 2016, 08:04 PM
The most end times oriented people I encounter are Jehovah's witnesses. If one gets past Law and Sabbath issues Seventh Day Adventists are also end times oriented. I think that some of the Hebrew Names and Hebrew Roots movement people are also end times oriented. I don't know if these are an indication of how end times orientation relates to holiness. From what I have seen Jehovah's witnesses are concerned with holy living, the same would be true of the Law and Sabbath oriented groups.

It seems to me that those who mind Israel's earthly things (not just study to understand them, as we all benefit from doing, but actually embrace them as though they belong to them[-selves (thus not distinguishing between "Israel" and "the Church which is His body")]) also embrace things intended for Israel to do (such as "endure unto the end" of the specific time period "determined upon" [Israel]) and thereby make incorrect application to themselves [[U]with regard to "holiness" issues, as well as other things (the sequence of events being merely one issue)].


Failure to "distinguish" the things which differ, is at root, as I see it.

CurtTN
Jul 5th 2016, 12:46 AM
I'm referring to "the hope of salvation" (not that we are wishfully hoping to be maybe be saved; but that future aspect of the salvation we already possess):

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch [G1127] and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love;
and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [this is a specific area of "understanding" we are to have]

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [context: an eschatological salvation]

10 Who died for us, that, whether we watch [G1127] or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.


[and]

"the One delivering us [out-]from the wrath coming" 1 Thessalonians 1:10


These have to do with "future things" (as its context). That's what I understand by the OP's use of the phrase "eschatological themes" (and our attention to it).

I really appreciate your accurate description of our "hope". It is as you say a "confident expectation" not a wishful thinking. So many people mist this critical point so thanks for your post.

TheDivineWatermark
Jul 5th 2016, 04:48 AM
I really appreciate your accurate description of our "hope". It is as you say a "confident expectation" not a wishful thinking. So many people mist this critical point so thanks for your post.

Amen, brother. I see that a lot too.

And praise the Lord for this [assured] "hope of salvation." :)

TheSkiesAllCry
Jul 5th 2016, 07:10 AM
Many Evangelicals have been too. Hal Lindsey, John Hagee, Southwest Radio Church, etc

Do you think that end times orientation makes for genuine holiness in life?

Uncle Bud
Jul 6th 2016, 12:34 AM
No, it's a distraction.

wpm
Jul 29th 2016, 08:42 PM
A guy I heard once said, attention to prophecy helps foster holiness.

The Dispy speculation and prophecy error helps foster conspiracy theories, error and confusion.