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shak4969
Aug 30th 2018, 08:44 PM
Hello,

I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
I want that so bad.

Jude
Aug 30th 2018, 09:26 PM
Hello,

I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
I want that so bad.

Are you around other people that drink?


Jude

shak4969
Aug 30th 2018, 09:36 PM
Hi,

I converted to Christianity a while back while I was struggling with alcoholism. I had to find a God of my understanding doing the AA program.
After a very bad relapse, I gave up on Jesus and tried something else. been relapsing ever since.
Newly convert again. confessed sins, repented, accepted Jesus. I would ask God in the name of our Lord to remove that obsession of alcohol from me.
all was Ok for a while, then the last few days heavy obsession to drink to the point that I had made up my mind that I would drink next week(payday).
this made me start to doubt Jesus, I really thought that he finally abides in me.
I wish sometimes to just have the certainty that Jesus did raise from the dead. I don't like to fake til you make approach.

BrianW
Aug 30th 2018, 10:06 PM
As a former drug addict and an alcoholic that hasn't touched a drop ( or anything else ) in over 20 yrs I can tell you that the urge never goes away. It gets less and less over time but it's always there and very well may always be there.
Could God take it away? Sure. But if he doesn't it isn't His fault if you go back to drinking it is yours.

You need to put it down and have the willpower to leave it down. It's not simple or easy and it can be one of the hardest things you'll ever have to do but it's up to you to take that step, make that resolution and stick with it every day.

Recovery programs, AA, "sponsors" etc etc are all well and fine and can do a lot to help but the bottom line is that you decided to let yourself get this far and it is up to you to get yourself back on track and OUT of it.

Break the chains and never pick them back on again. It really is your choice and one that you make have to make several times a day for a long time.

But of course God does help you.

He is our strength if we accept the strength he gives us.
He is our hope as day by day we grow closer to Him and by focusing more on Him. Day by day, hour by hour and minute by minute we focus less on the craving and thoughts to please the flesh and more on living in the Spirit and pleasing Him.

We put on the armor of God every day and engage in spiritual warfare AND in the war against our flesh and the Spirit. We are all tempted. Everyone of us. We will always be tempted. The question is who is the master? The temptation/cravings or yourself and your God?

Flowery words and well intentioned advice are great. But for those of us who have suffered through the agony of addiction we know that it really does come down to what I wrote above.
God can help, He can give you strength and hope but you have to take responsibility and have the willpower and yearning to be free.
You have to act and you have to continue to act by saying "No!" as often as needed.

I apologize to anyone that reads this and thinks I'm being harsh. The fact is, if you've lived through this and came out on the other side you know I'm saying the absolute truth and exactly what's needed to be said.

jayne
Aug 30th 2018, 11:01 PM
Hi, shak4969 -

I'm jayne. My heart breaks for you. Addiction [so many kinds] torment Christians as well as non-believers so horribly: alcohol, sex, food, porn, drugs, lying, and the list is endless.

Let me shoot from the hip. Yes, Jesus Christ did indeed rise from the dead. And accepting him as Lord and Savior of your life doesn't mean that you will never have problems again. Christians are not immune from the plagues of the temptations of their addictions. The Bible is full of people who fought against sin. Sometimes they lost. Sometimes they were victorious.

And then there's the whole physical, mental, and emotional side to addiction. True addicts know that it's not just spiritual. Behaviors that people are addicted to alter their brains and alter their response behaviors. It's a terrible cycle.

A person repents and gets "clean"
The temptations come again
Relapse occurs
The guilt, shame, despair, self-loathing, and questioning God comes.


Addictions are just that strong, as you well know.

So what's the answer for a Christian addict?

Understand, shak4969, that we are not doctors here and can provide no medical counsel. Take what I have to say to heart, but do not take what I say as needing no fact-checking or discussion with your doctor and spiritual advisor. I'm just a Christian gal on an internet forum.

We, as Christians, have a real enemy and temptations ARE going to plague us and none of us are immune. “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. ” 1 Peter 5:8" "No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man…” 1 Corinthians 10:13" Watch out for the pitfalls we get ourselves into that put us at our weakest point and make us an easy target. Boredom, irritability, old habits/old "friends", ignoring prayer time, ignoring Bible reading time, anxiety/stress, not eating/sleeping/exercising right, and so much more. There IS a way of escape from each and every pull back into the behavior. “[God] will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13 What is that way of escape for addicts? In part, it's competent doctors, programs, and friends who support you. Spiritually speaking, it's scripture. That is was Jesus Christ used as his weapon of choice when being tempted by the devil in the wilderness. He was starving after 40 days of no food and the devil tempted him with an idea for food. Jesus quote scripture. He was seeking the Father and came here to humble himself to die on a cross. The devil tempted him to "show off" his authority. Again, Jesus quoted scripture. Finally, the devil tempted Jesus to become obsessed with the ownership of "things'. Jesus quote scripture again. Find some thing to do that take your heart, mind, and being off of the alcohol and its empty promises. Get a new hobby, find a support group of strong friends, and start an active prayer life and Bible reading habit. Keep a journal of the times you are tempted the most, what those triggers were, and what you did if you successfully fled the alcohol.

Here's the crux of the matter.

You don't HAVE to give in. That's easy to say in the good times but hard to say in the temptation. But try saying it when you are being hammered by the draw to drink. "I don't HAVE to do this." "God HAS provided a way of escape."

Making this easier is having a relationship with God every single day. Not just crying out after it's all over. Talk to God, read his Word, learn some really good praise/worship songs.


Defending yourself even when you are NOT being tempted is the key to having an easier time during the temptation. And God shows us that defense.

The Armor of God - Ephesians 6:10-18


Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.


God bless and I am praying for you.

shak4969
Aug 31st 2018, 01:39 AM
Thank you very much guys for the replies

shak4969
Aug 31st 2018, 01:40 AM
No. away from drinking people and drinking holes.

jayne
Aug 31st 2018, 02:10 AM
I'm combining the two threads.

Aristarkos
Aug 31st 2018, 12:03 PM
Hello,

I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
I want that so bad.

If you want it so bad, just stop doing it. Since no one is going to tell you or has the authority to tell you not to, it is up to you. Just write this one sentence down:

I [your name] am not allowed to drink.

Look at it all day, for weeks.

Because that is the case, you are not allowed to drink, ever again. You know an alcoholic always stays an alcoholic, even if they do not drink anymore. That's why you are not allowed to drink. Because one drink, and you're on it again. This is the case with a lot of addictions, like smoking for example, one cigarette and you're on it again.

Stopping is hard, but you've done it before so you can do it one more time, that will be the last time, because you are not allowed to drink. So when your life gets difficult, or your partner runs off, or you loose your job, or heaven falls on your head, you are not allowed to drink, there is no excuse, because when your life gets difficult, or your partner runs off, or you loose your job, or heaven falls on your head, alcohol does not solve those things.

Alcohol is a very effective solvent, it dissolves families, marriages, friendships, careers and bank accounts, but never problems.

Aristarkos

Falconcheff
Sep 3rd 2018, 07:04 AM
I have been saved most of my adult life. I was also addicted to almost everything there is (grew up in the 80's in California... did meth, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, as well as sexual immorality). Little by little, I gave everything up, but always I just traded one thing for doing more of another until it was just marijuana. Lots of marijuana. I never thought I'd give it up; even thinking about it made me break down and cry. Everything I did revolved around "getting high and..." (getting high and going shopping; getting high and going to work; getting high and getting gas...)

I desired to be closer to God, My Father and Savior, though. Getting high grieved the Spirit within me. One day I decided to ALLOW He who is within me BE GREATER than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4). Then I did it the next day. And the next. I read how Daniel "purposed in his heart that he would not eat the king's meat..." (Daniel 1:8) I purposed in my heart that I was not going to allow my flesh, which is WEAK, overcome my ready and willing Spirit (Matthew 26:41 ; Mark 14:38). No programs, no sponsors... just a WILLING HEART to purify myself for my Groom; and the Power of God that already resides in me (1 Corinthians 3:16).

That was years ago. I live in Colorado; there's a pot shop on every corner. It no longer has a hold on me, though occasionally it tries. That death has lost it's sting; that grave has no victory (1 Corinthians 15:55).

You can do it.

As Brian and Aristarkos, good brothers, have counseled... it's your choice. Choose Life. Through cries and tears of supplication, and suffering sometimes, obedience is learned (Hebrews 5:7-8).

The lust of the flesh is of the world (1 John 2:16)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


Don't be "That Guy... That Guy who gave up..." Take my advice... In a Moment, POUR IT DOWN THE SINK! Get rid of the temptation. If you go get another bottle, pour that one down the sink. I'm telling you this for certain, there will be ONE MOMENT when the Spirit gives you the strength to do it. SEIZE THAT MOMENT! If you let that moment pass, you'll likely find yourself on the wrong end.

Brother Mark
Sep 3rd 2018, 10:03 AM
I have been saved most of my adult life. I was also addicted to almost everything there is (grew up in the 80's in California... did meth, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana, as well as sexual immorality). Little by little, I gave everything up, but always I just traded one thing for doing more of another until it was just marijuana. Lots of marijuana. I never thought I'd give it up; even thinking about it made me break down and cry. Everything I did revolved around "getting high and..." (getting high and going shopping; getting high and going to work; getting high and getting gas...)

I desired to be closer to God, My Father and Savior, though. Getting high grieved the Spirit within me. One day I decided to ALLOW He who is within me BE GREATER than he who is in the world (1 John 4:4). Then I did it the next day. And the next. I read how Daniel "purposed in his heart that he would not eat the king's meat..." (Daniel 1:8) I purposed in my heart that I was not going to allow my flesh, which is WEAK, overcome my ready and willing Spirit (Matthew 26:41 ; Mark 14:38). No programs, no sponsors... just a WILLING HEART to purify myself for my Groom; and the Power of God that already resides in me (1 Corinthians 3:16).

That was years ago. I live in Colorado; there's a pot shop on every corner. It no longer has a hold on me, though occasionally it tries. That death has lost it's sting; that grave has no victory (1 Corinthians 15:55).

You can do it.

As Brian and Aristarkos, good brothers, have counseled... it's your choice. Choose Life. Through cries and tears of supplication, and suffering sometimes, obedience is learned (Hebrews 5:7-8).

The lust of the flesh is of the world (1 John 2:16)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


Don't be "That Guy... That Guy who gave up..." Take my advice... In a Moment, POUR IT DOWN THE SINK! Get rid of the temptation. If you go get another bottle, pour that one down the sink. I'm telling you this for certain, there will be ONE MOMENT when the Spirit gives you the strength to do it. SEIZE THAT MOMENT! If you let that moment pass, you'll likely find yourself on the wrong end.

Posts like this is why I read this forum. Thank you so much for sharing your testimony. There's so much practical biblical truth here... Fantastic post and it went into my notes for my own edification. These are truths that I need to be reminded of very often and they are powerful to the pulling down of strongholds.

shak4969
Sep 3rd 2018, 06:45 PM
Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

Aijalon
Sep 6th 2018, 09:56 PM
Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

You want to hope in something pure and good, something unshakeable. The resurrection of Jesus is the good news, it's the report about a battle that was won. God has turned the tables on death. That's history, it happened. What more do you need to know? What are your issues with doubting the resurrection? It sounds more like your issues are depression, not whether you believe in the historicity of Jesus.

Falconcheff
Sep 13th 2018, 06:45 AM
Great stuff all over. I copied some verses for later use. I think I am still struggling with Faith in general as well. Faith in Jesus. I have always been the skeptical type, but my ambivalence as to whether to drink or not felt like a battle with something inside of me that I can't get my head around. this is the reason I am trying so hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

How's it going, Brother?

shak4969
Sep 15th 2018, 06:25 PM
Well, I gave into the temptation and drank for few days into oblivion. paying the price now. I have been praying again and reading the bible, sometimes I fell lifted up and at times I am down and doubt whether the spirit is working in me, I guess I need to work on my faith over anything. see, I am a new convert too, been agnostic, then from a different religion I grew up in among other things. None of it kept me sober, so I turned to Christianity

jayne
Sep 15th 2018, 06:57 PM
Well, I gave into the temptation and drank for few days into oblivion. paying the price now. I have been praying again and reading the bible, sometimes I fell lifted up and at times I am down and doubt whether the spirit is working in me, I guess I need to work on my faith over anything. see, I am a new convert too, been agnostic, then from a different religion I grew up in among other things. None of it kept me sober, so I turned to Christianity

And there's that cycle I mentioned above.

**A person repents and gets "clean"
**The temptations come again
**Relapse occurs
**The guilt, shame, despair, self-loathing, and questioning God comes.

I don't think there is a Christian I know that cannot share this testimony. It may not be alcohol, but could be a host of other things.

I have a dear friend whose husband is an alcoholic - a 40 year alcoholic. That's a long time. He just told his wife two weeks ago that he was sick of it and done with it and realized what it had done with his family, but primary his walk with God.


That's the key. It's a horrible thing to the body, the friends and family, but mostly to the walk with God. It's not the passing out, the vomiting, the not eating right, the exclusion of friends and family, or the damage to the liver. Saying that, I don't belittle those things.


It's the damage to the mind, heart, and spirit.

My friend's husband said that he said that God wants him full-time and first. And he hasn't given God that relationship in Christ. And he is sick of being sick.

I pray for him and you both.

Romans 12 says that we can't be conformed to this world but that we have to be TRANSFORMED. How? By renewing our minds.

This didn't come from me, but the way to do that is two-fold:
Allow the Holy Spirit to bring you the truth from the outside in with the Bible, discussing it with others, Godly lyrics and music, competent commentators of the Bible, and such.
And allow the Holy Spirit to transform your mind and heart from the inside out by helping your react to the truth in humility before God.




It's not about Christianity. It's about Christ. There's a huge difference.

shak4969
Sep 16th 2018, 04:54 PM
Thank you Jayne.

Aijalon
Sep 20th 2018, 08:56 PM
Sorry to hear about the binge, brother. What Jayne said is a major point here. If you adopted Christianity but not Christ you have merely changed the clothes but you are not bathed and clean. Christianity can be a method of living, and not a relationship with Christ, and in many cases this could appear as a very moral person who is outwardly righteous.

You seem to understand (your conscience) that God has called you to something better. He has called you to act according to righteousness, and not the desires of the flesh. Your binge was not following him on a straight path. He is with you spiritually as you point out, the spirit of God, of Jesus Christ, walking with you. He is a "lamp" unto your feet, which guides your steps, daily. Follow the inner light within you, which is not "you" it is Christ-in-you. The good in a true Christian comes from Christ, and not from yourself.

Pbminimum
Sep 20th 2018, 10:05 PM
I can attest that if you're serving with the saints , your probably a lot less apt to be going back to your old life. This brings the question

Are you involved in a local church and not just attending ?

Do you know any other genuine people who will help hold you accountable ?

Like others have said, it's not a quick fix. But I'll tell you what I've told many men who I ministered to that suffer from addiction. If your doing what you should be doing, you're a lot less likely to be doing what you shouldn't be doing.

Make sense ?

grams
Oct 1st 2018, 01:32 PM
I'm sorry I did not see this thread , sooner.......... I am a alcoholic !!! I guess I got what my Pa had.............

I started to drink like every one else and it grew more and more.....

I kept trying to stop and just kept going back.

One day I just said to my self a bunch of good things......... I have a family and can not keep doing this.
etc. etc. etc. all about helping and taking care of my family.
As a wife and Mother should !

And I did............ family comes first !!!!!!!!!

Little did I know that I was not saved........... and after being able to stay away from alcohol , some how one of our children
went to a different church....... and started the help for me.
We found a new church and all of us got saved........ all 5 of us.

I guess GOD knew this was [ OF COURSE GOD KNOW'S ALL .....]

God got me clean before I became saved............ [[[ HOW WONDERFULL GOD IS ......

That was in my 50's I am now 83 and still good....... Amen .......THANK YOU FATHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

shak4969
Oct 2nd 2018, 02:53 AM
Following all suggestions on here. I had a very bad relapse again and almost gave up on it all, but somehow I had this thought that it was the devil not God who allows the relapses. so back at confession, repentence....

jayne
Oct 2nd 2018, 03:19 AM
Just step by step......I'm praying.

bluesky22
Oct 2nd 2018, 03:23 AM
I'm sorry I did not see this thread , sooner.......... I am a alcoholic !!! I guess I got what my Pa had.............

I started to drink like every one else and it grew more and more.....

I kept trying to stop and just kept going back.

One day I just said to my self a bunch of good things......... I have a family and can not keep doing this.
etc. etc. etc. all about helping and taking care of my family.
As a wife and Mother should !

And I did............ family comes first !!!!!!!!!

Little did I know that I was not saved........... and after being able to stay away from alcohol , some how one of our children
went to a different church....... and started the help for me.
We found a new church and all of us got saved........ all 5 of us.

I guess GOD knew this was [ OF COURSE GOD KNOW'S ALL .....]

God got me clean before I became saved............ [[[ HOW WONDERFULL GOD IS ......

That was in my 50's I am now 83 and still good....... Amen .......THANK YOU FATHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D



Soooooo amazing friend. Your words uplift me. :hug:

bluesky22
Oct 2nd 2018, 03:26 AM
Following all suggestions on here. I had a very bad relapse again and almost gave up on it all, but somehow I had this thought that it was the devil not God who allows the relapses. so back at confession, repentence....


Hang in there brother. I know your pain.

Read grams post again. He’s found what really matters.

Once we see this, this choice is easier and better.

Falconcheff
Oct 2nd 2018, 03:40 AM
Following all suggestions on here. I had a very bad relapse again and almost gave up on it all, but somehow I had this thought that it was the devil not God who allows the relapses. so back at confession, repentence....

After one relapse of mine, I remember having this thought:

God knew when He helped me overcome the first time (and all those other times) that I was going to go back, and yet He still helped me... how awesome is our God that, even though He knows we are going to fail, gives us strength and hope each time. If I knew I was going to give someone a gift and they were just going to throw it in the trash, I doubt I'd be so ready and willing to give it. BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy, continues to give grace and mercy to those of us who do not deserve it. How much more will the Heavens rejoice when that gift of God actually becomes the last drink you ever take!???

Blessings, Friend

bluesky22
Oct 2nd 2018, 03:54 AM
After one relapse of mine, I remember having this thought:

God knew when He helped me overcome the first time (and all those other times) that I was going to go back, and yet He still helped me... how awesome is our God that, even though He knows we are going to fail, gives us strength and hope each time. If I knew I was going to give someone a gift and they were just going to throw it in the trash, I doubt I'd be so ready and willing to give it. BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy, continues to give grace and mercy to those of us who do not deserve it. How much more will the Heavens rejoice when that gift of God actually becomes the last drink you ever take!???

Blessings, Friend

Thank you for this. Really nice.

cheech
Oct 2nd 2018, 04:44 AM
Don't lose heart. The one thing you have to remember is when you decide to take a stand and stop doing what the enemy has used to keep you in bondage with for so long, he will come after you and do everything he can to bring you back. He doesn't want anyone to break away and become saved and healed. He wants to keep you chained up. You have to believe and have faith that Jesus can rescue you. Jesus said that he could not heal or deliver some people because they lacked faith. 1 Corinthians 10:13 states:

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

This scripture doesn't say that God will remove you out of it. It says that he will make the way of escape so that you may be able to bear it. When I am tempted back to my old ways, I will yell out "here is my way out (or escape card) card, Lord! I'm calling it in because I need your help!" This is where faith comes in and it's a must. One of the greatest tactics of the enemy is fear. Fear that Jesus won't help. Doubt is another which raises all of the "what if" questions. "What if I fall?" "What if Jesus doesn't help me?" What if I'm not strong enough?" Guess what? You aren't strong enough on your own but you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you (Philippians 4:13).

Now here's what many sometimes fail to do. They fail to utilize the weapon that God has given to them to fight off the enemy and his temptations. It's not enough to just pray and read the Bible. When you feel the temptation, the cravings, the drawing back to the alcohol, this is when you tell the Lord you surrender this temptation to Him and ask Him to take it from you and replace it with faith and trust in Him and courage and strength to endure it. Then you grab your Bible and utilize the sword God has given to you and begin fighting back with the Word of God. Getting on your knees is more firepower. I can't tell you how many times I have done this and kept reading the word out loud until the attack passed. If you are on the battlefield and being shot at, what good is your weapon if it's back in the Bradley or laying several feet away from you? If you are serious about quitting, then you are going to have to get serious about fighting.

Someone mentioned Daniel. Exactly! You have to first be determined in your heart that you are serious. This means you have to be serious in your faith because that right there is an open door for the enemy to attack you in and he will continue to pound you until you are determined to trust Jesus no matter what. Once your faith is strengthened, then you will be able to withstand the attacks provided you continue fighting them with your sword.

Remember, no prize fighter ever won a match without training. They will get knocked down and get back up again and lose many fights before they begin winning, but they don't give up and neither should you. This is your training and if you only half halfheartedly train, you are gonna get whooped more than you can count. But once you get your game on and begin trusting Jesus and begin fighting back through prayer and scripture every time the thoughts come to mind, and I'm serious about this because I've had to do it, then you won't be considered that little kid on the playground the bully can push around any more. But I can't stress enough you have to first get serious about wanting to quit. My go to scriptures were the Psalms. I kept my bible by my bed because if I woke up during the night and was attacked in the mind, I pulled it out and began reading them declaring no weapon formed against me would prosper and declaring my faith in Christ.

Finally, there has to be more emotionally that you are not healed from for you to continue taking that drink which means open doors to attacks. Many times drinking is a cover up. When you get time, right down everything that continues to affect you from anger, to fear, to pride, and so on. If you have unforgiveness in your life, that's an open door. This is what you have to go to Christ with because you need that healing.

You can do this but no one can do it for you. This is something you and Christ together has to go through. I have women text me when they are struggling and need prayer and I begin praying for them. To have others you can depend on to do this would be great support for you. You may want to talk with a Pastor and have him anoint you and pray over you as well.

The one thing I can tell you is that Jesus is more powerful than the enemy, but we will only see how powerful he is when we believe he is that powerful. Who are you giving that power too? Crucify your flesh to the cross. It will be painful for a while but healing will come. Don't quit.

Hewillcome2040
Oct 9th 2018, 09:26 PM
Following all suggestions on here. I had a very bad relapse again and almost gave up on it all, but somehow I had this thought that it was the devil not God who allows the relapses. so back at confession, repentence....

See a doctor about your alcoholism. A doctor can prescribe something to help you taper off after you stop drinking.

Saved7
Oct 31st 2018, 12:12 AM
Temptation is intended to destroy you. But the devil can't destroy you if you're walking with the Lord. So he tempts you. In this way your walk becomes weak and you can't hear the Lord clearly. The devil doesn't want us close to Jesus. But remember this....
James 4:7 Submit yourself therefore, to God.
(In so doing, you) Resist the devil. And he will flee from you.
James 4:8 Draw NEAR to God and He will draw near to you.

It seems your struggle with faith comes from not KNOWING God. It's one thing to learn and pray. It's a whole different ball game to listen and recognize when God is speaking to you and how to discern the difference between His "voice" and all other voices
Maybe when that temptation comes again, pray and ask God what He wants to say to you...then just be quiet. Maybe a song or a verse or just One word will pop into your head. Then ask Jesus what he wants you to know about that.
I recommend you begin to know God by asking God for 2 things.
1. Ask Him to help you know Him.
2. And ask Him to teach you to pray.
You'll be fine if you just Keep pursuing Jesus as a thirsty man digs a well.

Also, listen to a Christian music station. Klove is almost nationwide. You can at least find it on line. Praise music is powerful stuff.

cheech
Nov 2nd 2018, 06:48 PM
I have to agree with BrianW, although there have been some where the urge was gone and it never came back. But I do agree...because it's an old habit, the enemy will utilize it to drag you back. God isn't always going to remove the temptation per say. We see this in 1 Corinthians 10:13:

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.


It says God will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we are able but he will make the way for escape so that you can bear it. Yes, there are some things He will take away but then there are others we must go through to become stronger against it. In Judges 3:1 we see how God had left some of the nations in the land for a purpose instead of removing them all:

Now these are the nations which the Lord left, that He might test Israel by them, that is, all who had not known any of the wars in Canaan 2 (this was only so that the generations of the children of Israel might be taught to know war, at least those who had not formerly known it)...

He not only did this to test their faith and obedience, but to exercise or train them for war, something that generation had not been accustomed to as there was a period of rest after Joshua's conquest. So the younger Israelites had not experience in war. If we do not know how to battle, we will always be defeated.

This is why, for the Christian, faith is of the utmost importance and we can see this in Mark 11:23-25:

"23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them."

Besides other areas of your life that you may be weak in, you are facing two heavy hitters...doubt and your flesh aka addiction. Although God can take anything He wants away from us and heal us at the mere thought of it, there are times we must endure temptation. The more we endure it, the stronger we become against it.

If you want to win this battle, you have to decide what you believe. No one can make that decision for you nor can they pound it into you and force you to believe because then it's only their beliefs and not yours. Although there are some magnificent prayer warriors in the world that have prayed for people and God answered! Once you have faith that you know Jesus can and will deliver you, you have to hold firm to that faith no matter what you see or feel. He's not a genie as many use Him to be, but He is a mighty deliverer. I hate to say it, but as a Christian we will be tempted, we will get sick, we will sometimes even fall and trip and stumble because that's life. We aren't exempt though many will say that we are lol. But we have The problem is that many only utilize it so far and then stop because they don't think it's working or they get to a point where think they are ok but aren't. All of us must apply the word of God for the rest of our lives because truth be told, we are in a world where we catch spiritual, emotional and physical diseases and the Bible is our nourishment to remain healthy. At times, it's our vitamin, vaccine and medication all rolled up into one. There's no promise that we will be free of temptation, pain, sadness, etc but Jesus promises if we have faith and following His Word, He will help us and heal us. Which means, you have to be patient and endure the attacks patiently but He doesn't leave you helpless. Every time you feel that urge, pray and pick up your sword...the Bible...and start reading. Declare His power and healing. Read your scriptures out loud. This is where you have to be more determined to be healed and more determined than the enemy. Don't get discouraged if you stumble here and there...it happens to all of us.

Also, Remember your mile markers...all the times God did help you. You alread said "I Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted". That's a mile marker. Yes, it will try to come back with a vengeance but you have to be ready for it and when you pray and read the word daily and apply it, this is how you become ready for the battle. The enemy wants you back and will do anything to get you back, but if you already have in your heart doubt and that it's not going to work, he's already won the battle.

Get back up again and seek God. Ask Him to remove your faith and show you He is real. You won't be disappointed. :)

TMarcum
Nov 5th 2018, 03:03 PM
Hello,

I have been agnostic for ages. converted to Christianity a while back, stayed sober and and after a very bad relapse, lost faith in Jesus.
Came back to Jesus, repented, confessed sins and prayed, oh did I pray. Felt as if the obsession for booze was lifted, then it came back with a vengeance, planning to drink next week. and with me to drink is to die.
with this obsession driving me nuts, I started to doubt the resurrection story.
I wish I could just have the certainty that Jesus died and raised from the dead. Maybe this is what I am really after. then I can pray knowing that someone is actually listening and the Jesus is actually abiding in me.
I want that so bad.

I am sorry for the battle you are fighting. One thing is for certain; alcoholism is real and is one of the hardest addictions to overcome. And for some, they never overcome.

This hits very close to home with me also, as I have a sister that has battled this addiction for most of her life. My sister has had a strong confession of faith from the time she was around 25 and is now 65. Since she gave her life to Christ, her life, her mind, and conversation has always been on Christ continually. But in light of all of this, she is a victim of the addition of alcoholism. She acknowledges she has a problem and has for some time. It has pretty much wrecked her whole life; including marriage, career, wealth, health, relationship with children, friends and family. But, she is one of the fortunate ones and has been able to keep it under control over the last 15 years of her life. But the addiction still afflicts her. She has failed on occasion.

I am by no means have never condoned her actions, neither have I ever judged her. But, what stands out most in my mind is; her relationship with Christ throughout her whole Christian life. She never blamed God for her circumstance, yet she never fails to repent to God when she fails. In fact, we have a lot of good examples of great men of God who have sinned greatly, yet never lost sight of their focus on God. The list is too many to name in this response, but a few that most can relate to are; (1) Noah got drunk after God saved him, (2) King David caused a man to die in order to have his wife Bathsheba, (3) Peter denied Jesus, (4) Thomas doubted Jesus being raised from the dead. All of these great men sinned against God. But through God, they worked out their own salvation. They all loved God more than their own sinful lives.

If I could encourage one thing; it would be to never give up on God. It is God who has opened your eyes to allow you to see that you have a problem. Some have a tendency to blame God for not taking away the addiction. Rather, they should be giving thanks to him for allowing themselves to see their true condition.

Yes drunkenness is a sin, but God is stronger than the sin and the addiction. When we become Christians, we are not born again to perfectionism against all the sins and temptations known to man. But we are born again with the tool that will sustain us. Through the Holy Ghost, we are blessed with the gift of grace through faith. And faith is the basic building block that all Christians start out with. With faith, God helps us to build, and to overcome, and to keep in subjection our weaknesses of the flesh. This is what the bible teaches us in 2 Peter 1:5-8; "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Notice it says to "add to your faith". Starts off by saying to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance.......

Temperance is the part that applies to addiction. And again, through the grace of God, works to our perfection. But temperance is added to knowledge. Therefore in order to get there, God will add to your faith knowledge to overcome temperance; that is, if you trust and rely on him through faith. And when we sin, we know what to do also. To stay in God’s grace, we seek God’s forgiveness when we sin. Then we seek him another day; and the next day; and the next day…. God’s grace is sufficient for our sins.

JamesLewis
Apr 26th 2019, 02:51 PM
Hi, everybody. As you are discussing addiction issues I want to share my story. It's not about me, but it's about a person who I love. Now she is struggling with addiction and all our family trying to help her. She went through a long way to understand and strengthen faith in God. I'm grateful for such good people who helped her. She attended one of Christian Rehabs near Chicago https://addictionresource.com/drug-rehab/christian/. She doesn't feel good now, she is still addicted but I see hopeful changes...And I believe that one day the only thing that she needed will be faith.

Badger
Apr 26th 2019, 04:02 PM
It's been awhile since the original poster has posted anything but thought I'd add my two cents on something.

I grew up in a family of skeptics and have always had this tendency myself; call me doubting Thomas I guess. I grew up in the Church but never knew the Lord, only about Him. Long story short, He revealed Himself to me and this was when I had a born again experience. It wasn't so much a conversion in an intellectual sense but a spiritual experience.

But even after this, I still struggled with doubt and addiction. Something that has really helped me a lot is researching the historical record for facts that corroborate the Biblical record, Biblical archeology and the like. More and more is being discovered all the time. It's very exciting and has solidified my faith more than I ever thought possible.

shak4969, I pray all is well.