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unknown_parishioner
Mar 9th 2006, 11:11 PM
I believe in the Easter Bunny

If you were to ask me, ‘Do you believe in the Easter Bunny?", my answer would be a decisive "YES." Before I tell you about my belief in the Easter Bunny, let’s take a look at the Easter Bunny facade.

Easter is a historically unique time, filled with spring flowers, warm, perfumed air, flitting butterflies and festive celebrations. Little girls in white hats, white gloves and pretty pink dresses go around with baskets, hunting for brightly colored eggs, candies, chocolates and those little, stale Peeps, from last year, while little boys vested in bow ties and white shirts run around in a mad frenzy with egg and chocolate on their faces looking for any missed eggs.

But, all this outward scene does not really personify the Easter Bunny. The Easter Bunny, Esq. begins his crusade sometime in early March, sending out his message through mailers, newspapers, radio ads and televison commercials. This is all in preparation for the Easter Bunnies to lay down the promise of golden eggs to entice the chocolate starved. It is the time when the Easter Bunny has the power to unite said starved and grow the cause of sugar worldwide. The Easter Bunny’s campaign is relentless and almost religious in it’s effort.

The Easter Bunny’s downfall, however, is that he hates proper nutrition; the real meaning behind Easter is that there is a campaign to drown out and overthrow the few fresh fruit and vegetable stands. The Easter Bunny’s portfolio is up to the ears in sugarcane and cocoa futures; naturally he feels very threatened by any other food source becoming popular. But, stemming from ancient and constant criticism of said diet, the Bunny was forced to bring in the egg as his symbol, for nutrition’s sake but also to disguise the cotton candy heart.

Not one to be oppressed by this nutritional baggage, the Easter Bunny had a very creative idea; he made a type of thick sugar-water, in a kaleidoscope of eye-pleasing colors, to coat the eggs. Therefore, the Easter Bunny was able to portray Easter as a healthy time, but also a time of color, life and the all-important human achievement of happiness.

Is there an Easter Bunny?

Well, if I have not convinced you already, then allow me to brush away the cotton candy. To me the Easter Bunny is a perfect symbol of religion without Christ, kind of like a mailer I received the other day from Bayside Church. It was an aesthetically pleasing, extravagant, creative and colorful piece of mail; it promised a huge egg hunt for my kids, a large map to their church and also talked about an upcoming seminar on ‘the five keys to a happy marriage’. However, nowhere on the mailer did it mention proper nutrition; slight promises of happiness and well being were abundant but Christ and His word was conspicuously absent. And, just as foolish as the idea of a bunny laying eggs, it promised a hope it could not deliver, for there is no hope without Christ. Just as the Easter Bunny and his stale Peeps lead to a bad diet, life without Christ and His word leads to destruction.

Now, Bayside Church is not the only fellowship doing this; there seems to be lot of bunnies hopping around. They all promise the same thing, health, happiness and nutrition, but they lack the substance of the Word of God which is the nutrition for holy living.

Every Easter opportunity knocks; in an attempt to be Number One Bunny, to gather as many stale parishioners into their paws as possible, the cuddly, little rabbits entice all they meet with aggressive advertising campaigns. Like Las Vegas casinos, thinking bigger is better, the bunnies build bigger and bigger worship centers to house their operations, throwing in more tantalizing celebrations; with the furry worship services and candy-coated messages, many are ensnared. Like leaders in a banana republic, the bunnies each attempt to cut each other off in order to get to the top, but, the one thing they do agree on is the Easter Bunny, which is false religion; because they hate Christ and his Word, when the bunnies do unite, they love to drink the blood of the saints, figuratively speaking. Thus, the story of the Easter Bunny is true; it truly is the embodiment of the father of lies.

Then, there is The Church, that looks at Easter and the time of Passover as the time of Christ’s death and resurrection, of his sacrifice for us, and finds joy in the forgiveness of sins and protection in Christ. Christ, being the chief shepherd, warns his Church against the lies of false religion. Christ and His words bring nutrition and health to believer’s life. Through Christ’s blood upon the cross we have access to the Father, by faith, and that not of ourselves, being the gift of God. Christ, who was the spotless lamb(and in this had no rivals), bore on himself the full penalty for our sins. We, as believers look forward to eternity with God; unlike the wicked and false religions that build their vast kingdoms here on Earth, we know our reward is in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus gathers His Church, the elect, as a hen gathers it’s chicks under it’s wings, unlike the Easter Bunny who cannot have chicks and attempts to legitimize it’s falsehoods by establishing a brood of hard-boiled eggs, portraying them as symbols of life. And, as on-going traditional lie tells us, the person with the most eggs wins.

artissues
Mar 10th 2006, 01:36 AM
Good job, that was so funny.

I am not into celebrating holidays myself because they are
forbidden by God in the Bible, but to each his own.
People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. Jesus says that they hated him,
and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake.

Once again, good job. That was well put together.

...God bless you.

cowboy_tech
Mar 16th 2006, 04:05 PM
You mean ishtar bunny ;)

I'm a little set back at the referance to passover and firstfruits as easter:B

moonglow
Mar 16th 2006, 04:52 PM
That is why my family focuses on Jesus' resurrection...:)

Some Easter facts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

Easter is the most important religious holiday of the Christian liturgical year, observed in March, April, or May to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe occurred after his death by crucifixion in AD 27-33 (see Good Friday). Easter can also refer to the season of the church year, lasting for fifty days, which follows this holiday and ends at Pentecost.

In most languages of Christian societies, other than English, German and some Slavic languages, the holiday's name is derived from Pesach, the Hebrew name of Passover, a Jewish holiday to which the Christian Easter is intimately linked. Easter depends on Passover not only for much of its symbolic meaning but also for its position in the calendar; the Last Supper shared by Jesus and his disciples before his crucifixion is generally thought of as a Passover seder, based on the chronology in the Synoptic Gospels. The Gospel of John has a different chronology which has Christ's death at the time of the slaughter of the Passover lambs, which may have been for theological reasons but which is regarded by some scholars as more historically likely given the surrounding events. This would put the Last Supper slightly before Passover, on 14 Nisan of the Hebrew calendar. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "In fact, the Jewish feast was taken over into the Christian Easter celebration."

The English and German names, "Easter" and "Ostern", are not etymologically derived from Pesach and are instead related to ancient names for the month of April, Eostremonat and Ostaramanoth respectively. According to the 8th century Christian monk and historian Bede, this month was dedicated to the pagan fertility goddess Eostre. The Easter Bunny is often identified as a remnant of this fertility festival, although there is no evidence of any link.

Easter in the early Church
The observance of any special holiday throughout the Christian year is believed by some to be an innovation postdating the early church. The ecclesiastical historian Socrates Scholasticus (b. 380) attributes the observance of Easter by the church to the perpetuation of local custom, "just as many other customs have been established", stating that neither Jesus nor his apostles enjoined the keeping of this or any other festival. However, when read in context,this is not a rejection or denigration of the celebration—which, given its currency in Scholasticus' time would be surprising—but is merely part of a defense of the diverse methods for computing its date. Indeed, although he describes the details of the Easter celebration as deriving from local custom, he insists the feast itself is universally observed.

Perhaps the earliest extant primary source referencing Easter is a 2nd century Paschal homily by Melito of Sardis, which characterizes the celebration as a well-established one.

According to a number of ecclesiastical historians, primarily Eusebius, bishop Polycarp of Smyrna, by tradition a disciple of John the Evangelist, disputed the computation of the date with bishop Anicetus of Rome in what is now known as the Quartodecimanism controversy.


God bless

johnny48
Apr 1st 2007, 11:05 PM
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT Many sincere professing Christians today do not realize that Easter Sunday is pure Roman Catholic paganism that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ! And that we are commanded by the apostle Paul to keep our NT Passover in 1 Cor 5:7- We are to proclaim the death of Christ as our NT Passover Lamb every year at the same time, the night Christ was betrayed 14 Nisan which is this evening Sunday april 2 sunset to Monday April 3 Sunset, Jewish days start at sunset!!!

Please if you truly love Christ check it out for yourself.

In Christ

Johnny;)

Ramon
Apr 2nd 2007, 01:22 AM
does it really matter? we should celebrate his resurrection EVERYDAY

aurora77
Apr 2nd 2007, 01:27 AM
Huh? Is this what you believe or what is true? Can you back this up with references? Is the problem the celebration of the resurrection of Christ or that you don't like the date that it is celebrated?

FaithfulSheep
Apr 2nd 2007, 01:30 AM
Easter.... the day when we (I) honor the death and resurrection of my Savior is pagan?? The Bible says otherwise. It is through this that we can find forgiveness for our sins and eternal life. Sorry, but I will continue to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. He is my King!

Ramon
Apr 2nd 2007, 01:31 AM
It's well known that it falls on a pagan holiday-It's just a day that we acknowledge it, did it happen on that day? maybe, maybe not......it happened during Passover so AT LEAST Constantine got that right, right? ; )

moonglow
Apr 2nd 2007, 01:43 AM
QUOTE=johnny48;1214377]I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT Many sincere professing Christians today do not realize that Easter Sunday is pure Roman Catholic paganism that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ! And that we are commanded by the apostle Paul to keep our NT Passover in 1 Cor 5:7- We are to proclaim the death of Christ as our NT Passover Lamb every year at the same time, the night Christ was betrayed 14 Nisan which is this evening Sunday april 2 sunset to Monday April 3 Sunset, Jewish days start at sunset!!!

Please if you truly love Christ check it out for yourself.

In Christ

So we are to celebrate His death but not His resurrection? Without the resurrection we have nothing to follow...

1 Corinthians 15
12 But tell me this—since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead? 13 For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised either. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless. 15 And we apostles would all be lying about God—for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead. 16 And if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are still guilty of your sins. 18 In that case, all who have died believing in Christ are lost! 19 And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

The early church put the Christian holiday ON pagan holidays to stamp them out...so Christianity overtakes them. No one is celebrating a pagan holiday on that day...our focus is on Christ only

Every Christmas, ever Easter there are posts like these...I think its really sad...its like Christians trying to get other Christians to stop common Christian holidays...which leaves us sitting around going back to the easter bunny like everyone else...how is that suppose to help?

If you want to sit at home that day and ingore it that is totally up to you, but don't push it on the rest of us.

Jesusinmyheart
Apr 2nd 2007, 04:23 AM
It's not the ressurrection per se, that is the main focus of passover, rather it is the sacrifice of the Lamb, because of His blood we are saved....

Exo 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
Exo 12:2 "This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you.
Exo 12:3 Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household.
Exo 12:4 And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,
Exo 12:6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
Exo 12:7 "Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
Exo 12:8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.
Exo 12:9 Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts.
Exo 12:10 And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn.
Exo 12:11 In this manner you shall eat it: with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's Passover.
Exo 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.
Exo 12:13 The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.
Exo 12:14 "This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations, as a statute forever, you shall keep it as a feast.


Egypt is a type of the world, the evil, the manmade stuff.... think about it....

It is true that the Jewish day ends with sundown, and a new day has begun once the sun has vanished from sight.

Rukia
Apr 2nd 2007, 04:49 AM
pure Roman Catholic paganism that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ!

First off, your "Roman Catholic paganism" quote is absolutely rude. Calling them pagans is an incredible insult. You are allowed to disagree with them, but certainly do not judge them as pagan.


We are to proclaim the death of Christ as our NT Passover Lamb every year at the same time,

Yeah, we do this. So whats the problem?


n which is this evening Sunday april 2 sunset to Monday April 3 Sunset, Jewish days start at sunset!!!

Does the exact moment in our mere human idea of time matter? I think we should focus on WHAT happened, not WHEN.


nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ!

Sooooo.....all Christians need to stop celebrating the resurrection of Our Lord? Thats sad, and wholly unChristian.

Obviously, we must remember Our Lord's sacrifice daily, but remembering the time of the year each year and celebrating it should be enjoyed by all who want to enjoy it!

DAISHI
Apr 2nd 2007, 07:55 AM
If I truly love Christ?

Steve M
Apr 2nd 2007, 04:14 PM
And that we are commanded by the apostle Paul to keep our NT Passover in 1 Cor 5:7-

Don't you think you're stretching the meaning of that verse a little bit?

atraceoffandango
Apr 2nd 2007, 04:32 PM
I think the main issue is the association with the word Easter and it's background. Easter has pagan roots, so many, like me, are concerned about the paganism associated with it.

Now I see nothing wrong with you brothers and sisters wanting to celebrate Easter on a sunday to celebrate Christ's resurrection, but there is absolutely no command in the bible that tells us that we MUST celebrate the Lord's resurrection once a year.

It is definitely not a sin either way IMO.

johnny48
Apr 2nd 2007, 06:35 PM
Ok i can see that i opened up a can of worms in here, But thats ok because i believe in telling the truth no matter what the cost!!!;)

So let’s get straight to the point ok! Are we followers of Man or of Christ? Just who choose all these so called Holy days like Christ-Mass = The mass of Christ and the birthday of sun-gods or Easter Sunday = also related to Sun-god Worship? Who put the steeples on the Churches = Sun-god worship, Was it not the RCC? Who gave the Roman Catholic Church or the Pope or any other human being on the face of the earth for that matter permission or the Power to create a Biblical Holy-day??? Only God himself can create a Holy day, Can any of you find for me at least {one single scripture} that clearly states that anyone anywhere at anytime including the mother of Christ herself ever celebrated the Birth or resurrection of Christ? I mean you evidently believe in this and practice these things, surly you can provide for me one single scripture out of the 27 books of our NT Canon to back up this belief or practice up,
Why do professing Christian today Believe teach and practice things that were never ever taught or practiced by the Apostles themselves in the first Century Church? And that has nothing whatsoever to do with First century Biblical Christianity? Ill tell you why, it’s because we are not teaching and practicing First century Christianity today! We are believing and teaching another gospel of another Christ!!! And Christ and his hand picked Apostles said this would most defiantly happen! And it has!!! Just look around you today and truly compare what you see in today’s so called church system with the First century Christian church that was birthed out of the book of Acts 2000 years ago, and let me know just what you come up with ok,

God Bless you

moonglow
Apr 2nd 2007, 06:47 PM
You need to realize you are not the first one to come here and tell us this...every Christmas, every Easter we suddenly have new members come on here and tell us what to do. :cool:



Ok i can see that i opened up a can of worms in here, But thats ok because i believe in telling the truth no matter what the cost!!!;)

So let’s get straight to the point ok! Are we followers of Man or of Christ? Just who choose all these so called Holy days like Christ-Mass = The mass of Christ and the birthday of sun-gods or Easter Sunday = also related to Sun-god Worship? Who put the steeples on the Churches = Sun-god worship, Was it not the RCC? Who gave the Roman Catholic Church or the Pope or any other human being on the face of the earth for that matter permission or the Power to create a Biblical Holy-day??? Only God himself can create a Holy day, Can any of you find for me at least {one single scripture} that clearly states that anyone anywhere at anytime including the mother of Christ herself ever celebrated the Birth or resurrection of Christ? I mean you evidently believe in this and practice these things, surly you can provide for me one single scripture out of the 27 books of our NT Canon to back up this belief or practice up,
Why do professing Christian today Believe teach and practice things that were never ever taught or practiced by the Apostles themselves in the first Century Church? And that has nothing whatsoever to do with First century Biblical Christianity? Ill tell you why, it’s because we are not teaching and practicing First century Christianity today! We are believing and teaching another gospel of another Christ!!! And Christ and his hand picked Apostles said this would most defiantly happen! And it has!!! Just look around you today and truly compare what you see in today’s so called church system with the First century Christian church that was birthed out of the book of Acts 2000 years ago, and let me know just what you come up with ok,

God Bless you

This following article also applies to Easter and it does give scriptures...be sure to look them up:

http://www.equip.org/free/CP9001.htm

From the Christian Research Institute:

Is Christmas Christian?

The best arguments against Christmas are the pagan myths and practices that have attached themselves like so many barnacles to a ship. But just as you don't abandon a ship simply because its got some barnascles on it, you don't need to abandon Christmas because non-Christians abuse it.

The Bible neither commands or condemns Christmas. Nor is there any biblical principle violated by the celebration of Christ's birthday. Scripture clearly teaches that anything is permitted as long as it does not violate biblical principles, and as long as it is done in faith, with love, and in a manner that edifies (Rom. 13:10; 14:4-5, 23; 1 Cor. 6:12; 10:23; Col. 2:20-22)

Often we are told that celebrating Christ's birthday on December 25th is very wrong, for two reasons. The first is that Christ was probably not even born on December 25th. That's probably true, but so what? We don't know on what day Jesus Christ was actually born, but what does it really matter? What matters is that we are commemorating the birth of the Savior of the world.

The second objection is more weighty-when Christmas was orgianlly instituted, December 25th was a pagan festival which commengorated the birthday of a false god. While this is a historal fact, what is often overlooked by the church is its intent in choosing December 25th in the first place. The church was not Christianizing a pagan festival, but was establishing the celebration of the birth of Christ as a rival celebration. Today the world has all but forgotten about the pagan gods of Greece and Rome, but at least a billion people on planet earth today consider themselves to be followers of Jesus Christ.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating the birth of the Savior of the world, I think its great. On Christmas, that's the CRI perspective. I'm Hank Hanegraaff.

God bless

The Parson
Apr 2nd 2007, 06:59 PM
I'm not trying to bust the pagan bubble thingey but the time of Easter was, at the time of the writing of the scriptures, already a calender event. Not that the writers of the scriptures were trying to give glory to a pagan god, but it was a place to "point to" on the calender. It would be the same as a Farmer telling you that he planted in the Spring Equinox or for a fisherman to tell you that he made his largest catch on the first full moon of the year. It just so happens that this is the time on the calender that my Savior Arose! Ecclesiastes 3:1: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


Everywhere in the scriptures we find references to a certain yearly festival or acounting of the time a ruler has been in office to mark an event, for instance; Daniel 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it. or Luke 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,


Matter of fact, notice that there are no specific (Hebrew Numerical Calender) dates mentioned anywhere in the scriptures that I can find. Just references to sabbaths, reigns, and numbered days of the week!

Matthew 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Matthew 16:2: And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
John 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.So when I worship at the date of Easter, it doesn't mean I'm giving honor to false gods, but looking at the specific time my Lord and Savior arose. Glory to God.

atraceoffandango
Apr 2nd 2007, 07:04 PM
I think these celebrations come down to personal choice and personal faith. No Christian should be forced to celebrate Christmas or Easter or whatever. If a Christian doesn't want to celebrate it, then nobody should force him to since it is no commanded by God to do so. It's between him and God.

The Parson
Apr 2nd 2007, 07:08 PM
I think these celebrations come down to personal choice and personal faith. No Christian should be forced to celebrate Christmas or Easter or whatever. If a Christian doesn't want to celebrate it, then nobody should force him to since it is no commanded by God to do so. It's between him and God.I don't think anybody said you had to atrace. It's all a matter of choice the same as serving God. Remember the verse "choose you this day who you will serve"???

Rukia
Apr 2nd 2007, 08:47 PM
Ok i can see that i opened up a can of worms in here, But thats ok because i believe in telling the truth no matter what the cost!!!

So let’s get straight to the point ok! Are we followers of Man or of Christ? Just who choose all these so called Holy days like Christ-Mass = The mass of Christ and the birthday of sun-gods or Easter Sunday = also related to Sun-god Worship? Who put the steeples on the Churches = Sun-god worship, Was it not the RCC? Who gave the Roman Catholic Church or the Pope or any other human being on the face of the earth for that matter permission or the Power to create a Biblical Holy-day??? Only God himself can create a Holy day, Can any of you find for me at least {one single scripture} that clearly states that anyone anywhere at anytime including the mother of Christ herself ever celebrated the Birth or resurrection of Christ? I mean you evidently believe in this and practice these things, surly you can provide for me one single scripture out of the 27 books of our NT Canon to back up this belief or practice up,
Why do professing Christian today Believe teach and practice things that were never ever taught or practiced by the Apostles themselves in the first Century Church? And that has nothing whatsoever to do with First century Biblical Christianity? Ill tell you why, it’s because we are not teaching and practicing First century Christianity today! We are believing and teaching another gospel of another Christ!!! And Christ and his hand picked Apostles said this would most defiantly happen! And it has!!! Just look around you today and truly compare what you see in today’s so called church system with the First century Christian church that was birthed out of the book of Acts 2000 years ago, and let me know just what you come up with ok,


Youre not telling us any new truth here, the Puritans were preaching this kind of stuff long ago.

They only celebrated funerals.

I mean, sure if you want to do that, fine, go be a Puritan, but seriously, worrying about pagan roots is silly, if youre not worshipping false gods, then you are fine.

God promised that man will crush Satan's head with his heel....I think the usurping of pagan holidays with Christian ones is just one more stomp of the ol' heel. Its reclaiming everything back to God.

johnny48
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:00 PM
Easter was being celebrated in the 4th century when the Bible was first written in Greek, so why wasn’t it put in the scriptures/ because it had nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ, but it had everything to do with Ishtar Fertility Goddess, this is why the apostles themselves never ever celebrated the resurrection of Christ, they proclaimed his death during Passover and so should we if we are true followers of Christ almighty, The Bible clearly tells us to stay away from paganism, Please check out Jer 10 and col 2:8, we must stay far away from the teachings and traditions on man! If Christ or his Apostles didn’t teach it or practice who are we to add to the teachings and practices of the Bible, than say its up to us if we want to do it or not!!! It don’t work like that, either we follow the pure word of God without adding or taking away from it or join the worldly church and do what ever our little heart desires. just about Everything the RCC practices has something to do with Sun-god worship! Christmass, Easter Sunday, All Saints Day, Sunday Worship Steeples on our church buildings
Lighting candles church bells and the list goes on and on and on! We as true followers of our Messiah are to teach and practice {{{{{{{{{{ONLY}}}}}}}}}} what is taught and practiced in the Scriptures word for word! And ONLY what was taught and practiced in the First century church, anything more or less is adding or taking away from scripture no matter how we try to get around it, if your teaching or practicing something or anything outside of scripture you are heading straight into apostasy, the bible demands that we fight for the faith that was once delivered to the saints no matter what the cost, THESE SO CALLED HOLYDAYS, HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THUS SAITH THE LORD SCRIPTURE!!! and neither should we if were planning on entering that city one day, here is just one website you can check out, http://www.retakingamerica.com/easter_and_ishtar.html and their are many many more if you truly want to look into it.

Johnny

johnny48
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:09 PM
Artissues

Good job, that was so funny.

I am not into celebrating holidays myself because {{{they are
forbidden by God}}} {{{in the Bible}}}, but to each his own.
People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. {{{Jesus says that they hated him}}},
{{{and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake}}}.

May god Trulr Bless you for your Stand at all cost!!!
Ill be praying for you and yours

Johnny

...God bless you.;)

karenoka27
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:10 PM
Acts 12:4-"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people." kjv

"pascha" {pas'-khah}-
1) the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people's deliverance of old from Egypt)
2) the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its
blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
3) the paschal supper
4) the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan

hillbilly dave
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:18 PM
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT Many sincere professing Christians today do not realize that Easter Sunday is pure Roman Catholic paganism that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ! And that we are commanded by the apostle Paul to keep our NT Passover in 1 Cor 5:7- We are to proclaim the death of Christ as our NT Passover Lamb every year at the same time, the night Christ was betrayed 14 Nisan which is this evening Sunday april 2 sunset to Monday April 3 Sunset, Jewish days start at sunset!!!

Please if you truly love Christ check it out for yourself.

In Christ

Johnny;)
First I love The Lord with all of my heart,mind, and soul. Maybe Easter is moved around by some calenders. If I read my BIBLE correctly Jesus was tried and crucified during the passover week. My entire life after earth hangs on what happened this time in history. I thank God everyday for hanging on that cross to pay a debt I could never pay. My entire hope hangs on what happened 3 days latter. Jesus arose and overcame death and said to his disciples where I am you will also be. I remember that everyday not just once per year. Second whether I attend a church with a steeple on it or not ainta gonna save me or you it is THE BLOOD of JESUS.

moonglow
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:28 PM
Artissues

Good job, that was so funny.

I am not into celebrating holidays myself because {{{they are
forbidden by God}}} {{{in the Bible}}}, but to each his own.
People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. {{{Jesus says that they hated him}}},
{{{and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake}}}.

May god Trulr Bless you for your Stand at all cost!!!
Ill be praying for you and yours

Johnny

...God bless you.;)

No one hates you Johnny...no one hated Christ for celebrating a holiday or not celebrating a holiday either. The bible tells us its OUR choice...in Christ we are free. No one is celebrating this old pagan gods on Easter anyway.

Romans 14:4-5


4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him judge whether they are right or wrong. And with the Lord’s help, they will do what is right and will receive his approval.

5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.


We do, however, stand up against false teachings on here...just as Jesus did.

sheina maidle
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:36 PM
An occasion observed by many Christians commemorating the resurrection of Christ. It is observed on the Sunday immediately after the first full moon that occurs on or after March 21. Originally Easter was a pagan holiday in the name of the goddess of spring, but it was "Christianized" by the Catholic Church and adapted to the remembrance of Christ's resurrection. Sunrise services are adaptations of the ancient worship of the sun.

Way of Life Encyclopedia: Easter
Easter, like Christmas, began as a pagan holiday. As long as the birth of Lord Jesus Christ and the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ are commemorated biblically, there is no point in debating it. It's when "commercialism" and "consumerism" come into the picture (as they have) do these celebrations become unbiblical. The birth and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ are biblical--let's keep them that way.

humbled
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:47 PM
Artissues

Good job, that was so funny.

I am not into celebrating holidays myself because {{{they are
forbidden by God}}} {{{in the Bible}}}, but to each his own.
People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. {{{Jesus says that they hated him}}},
{{{and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake}}}.

May god Trulr Bless you for your Stand at all cost!!!
Ill be praying for you and yours

Johnny

...God bless you.;)You don't celebrate holidays?

Are you a JW by chance?

johnny48
Apr 2nd 2007, 09:48 PM
Acts 12:4-"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter = "pascha" to bring him forth to the people." kjv Easter is a misstranslation

"pascha" {pas'-khah}-
1) the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people's deliverance of old from Egypt)
2) the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its
blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
3) the paschal supper
4) the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan
YES brother/Sister NOW YOUR TALKING BIBLICAL

God bless you

johnny

karenoka27
Apr 2nd 2007, 10:32 PM
Acts 12:4-"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter = "pascha" to bring him forth to the people." kjv Easter is a misstranslation

"pascha" {pas'-khah}-
1) the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people's deliverance of old from Egypt)
2) the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its
blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
3) the paschal supper
4) the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan
YES brother/Sister NOW YOUR TALKING BIBLICAL

God bless you

johnny

ooops I just gave you reps for a great post and now I'm thinking you were only correcting me..or did I do ok? I put the Greek word in there because of the use of "Easter" in the kjv.

moonglow
Apr 2nd 2007, 10:38 PM
ooops I just gave you reps for a great post and now I'm thinking you were only correcting me..or did I do ok? I put the Greek word in there because of the use of "Easter" in the kjv.

He was correcting you...

atraceoffandango
Apr 2nd 2007, 10:39 PM
I don't think anybody said you had to atrace. It's all a matter of choice the same as serving God. Remember the verse "choose you this day who you will serve"???

the original poster implies this, so I am just providing a further understanding.

and I still don't understand why most churches insist on celebrating this as an event. I guess it works as an attraction for nonbelievers to come and learn about Jesus, but once a year? lol We should be attracting 365 days a year.

hillbilly dave
Apr 2nd 2007, 10:45 PM
I am neither a Trinitarian nor do I hold to the oneness UPC Doctrine, I am a independent nondenominational preacher in the Philippines, I believe in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit and I believe that they are three!!! But not as the Roman Catholic Trinity teaches, I do not believe in some mystery godhead, The Father and the Son are not Equal and that IN ITSELF BLOWS THE DOORS CLEAN OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE HOLY TRINITY CREATED BY NONE OTHER THAN THE RCC!!!

1. If God is greater than Christ, then God is his leader just as Christ is our leader. This is exactly what the Bible teaches: “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman (http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=5) is man, and the head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3). It is obvious from this verse and 1 Cor. 3:23 (above) that the Trinitarian formula that Christ and God are “co-equal” is not biblical.

2.Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). In direct contrast to these clear words from Jesus, the orthodox formula of the Trinity says that the Father and the Son are “co-equal.”

3. In the future, the Son will be subject to the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:28 says: “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him [God] who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” Trinitarian dogma contradicts this by making Jesus eternally equal to the Father.


47 Reasons Why Our Heavenly Father
Has No Equals or “Co-Equals”
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65 (http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65)

In order to form a NT church doctrine every scripture in the NT on any given subject Must be in complete agreement with eachother, if even one Holy spirit inspired scripture disagrees with the rest of the scriptures being used to form that doctrine, Than That doctrine is not allowed to be formed!!!
1) while Christ was sent to bear the sins of man The Father would be greater. Jesus gave honor to His Father to give example for man to follow. John 10:30 JESUS said; I and MY Father are one. God manifested himself in the flesh as Jesus. The Father of all creation sent perfection in one flesh to be the once and for all sacrifice for mans sins. 2) john1:14 the Word was made flesh(Christ) and dwelt among us; and we beheld his glory.john 1:1 In the beginning was the Word was with God and The Word was God. Christ told the Jews if you have seen me you have seen the Father. 3) As to being a NT church the doctrine Or Teaching does not come from Paul it Comes from the teaching of Jesus The crucified( died on a cross) Risen Savior. The doctrine is built upon the rock Jesus. Just remember that no matter if you are a preacher or pew sitter the Bible is full of mysteries. And none of us have all the answers.

Rukia
Apr 2nd 2007, 11:16 PM
Trinity Is The Great Apostasy To Infiltrate Christianity
Great apostate pagan trinity doctrine has infiltrated the Christian Churches. Trinity or polytheism came from Babylon. The infiltration of this great apostate pagan doctrine has cause a great deception by Satan in theology. Most churches are teaching this great apostasy and worship the Trinity, which in actuality is pagan. Most Churches have departed from the true doctrine that was given unto the church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

POLYTHEISM is belief in the existence of more than one divine God. The Trinity of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Protestants Harlots is Polytheism.

If you follow this, then you open yourself up to alot more than just bashing on the Easter bunny.

Atheists argue that ALL of Christianity is "borrowed" from "pagan" (pagan means non-Christian, basically) sources.

If you argue this then you also need to argue the following:
1. Good and evil (God and satan) were invented out of the borrowed ideas from Zoroanstrianism
2. Jesus Christ being the messiah is merely a "borrowed" theme from agricultural cults about the death and ressurection of a god figure (due to the death and rebirth of crops)
3. Jesus being borne of a virgin is just borrowed from egyptian myth, or even the idea of Romulous being born of a virgin
4. Hell might just be borrowed from Hades
5. the Virgin Mary and her Child can be seen in depictions of Isis.

Etc. etc. etc.

Wow. Thats a little much, isnt it?

We all KNOW its NOT TRUE, however, you open the holiday can of worms then you automatically open yourself up to having to comply with all of this. You think its bad that we celebrate Christmas on a day that used to be pagan, well then watch out when people start saying "You dont just celebrate a pagan day, you celebrate a pagan doctrine"

We are adherents to Christ here, we care not about the old pagan ways here, we know we have been given the truth, and people will try to debunk us with random history and ridiculous accusations (like all that I listed above) but we know we have the truth.

Man will crush Satans head with his heel, we will take back days of the year, festivals, whatever was tainted by pagan ideas and make them what they truly should be - holy. God created it all, it belongs to him. If we have to turn away a certain day of the year because its been "tainted" then why should we have hope for ourselves? We have been tainted too, but God reclaims us as His own.

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 12:15 AM
Karenoka27

I think your post was Great, you sure got my Vote i just added that on the top to let everyone know that the word Easter in the KJV is a misstranslation sorry about that! but you are 100% right May god bless you and yours

johnny

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 12:59 AM
moonglow

you know something your right about me, I do come off wrong,
And I am truly sorry for that, but that’s something I really need to work on, but because of years and years of so called professing Christians turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the truth of what the Gospel actually has to say, and puts their little narrow minded denominational beliefs over the pure word of God as it is written, because they only want to hear what their itching ears want to hear, it has made me sick to my stomach to see good people let themselves be deceived like this, when you have the word of God to tell you everything you need to know on each and every subject there is, God said straight and narrow is the way that leads to life and few their be that find it!!! And many are called but few are chosen. And I see from many years of hard core preaching that the Living word of God is So So True, and yes I am hated very deeply because of my preaching, but true Christians want and need to hear hard cold Biblical facts, there is no more time for nice little comfort zone games! You’re either in this race or not! And a good runner needs to be trained hard!!! Everybody is going to their little Apostate Churches on Sunday for 5,10,15,20 years or more and still have no idea just what the Bible actually says on any given subject! Professing Christians celebrating Roman Catholic Paganism and don’t even ask where dose Christmas, Easter, all saints day or any other pagan holyday come from, That’s a real shame, they just do it because everyone else does it, theirs going to be a hell of a lot of professing Christians in the lake of fire, and am just trying to pull them out of it, but they just don’t want to hear it, well one day Brother/Sister it will be to late and people will wish to God they would have listened to this crazy hard core preacher! I know I come off wrong but I am truly trying to save souls and the time is very very short! There is no pre tribulation Rapture like 99.9 % of Christendom believes we are all going through the Great Tribulation so just hold on tight because it’s going to be very long hard ride.

Yours in Christ

Johnny

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:15 AM
karenoka27

i can see that you take the time to study things for yourself, Keep it up and don't listen to anyone on the face of this earth most of all me! if what someone tells you dose not line up with the pure word of God as it is written they are deceving you Brother/Sister
Test EVERY Spirit, Prove ALL THINGS weather they come from God or not!
Ill be praying for you Brother/Sister because if you study the word of God on your own and believe just what it actully says, you will have a whole mess of trouble ahead of you and you can bet your life on that!!! but he who holds on strong until the end shall be saved

May God hold You

Johnny

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 02:02 AM
moonglow

you know something your right about me, I do come off wrong,
And I am truly sorry for that, but that’s something I really need to work on, but because of years and years of so called professing Christians turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the truth of what the Gospel actually has to say, and puts their little narrow minded denominational beliefs over the pure word of God as it is written, because they only want to hear what their itching ears want to hear, it has made me sick to my stomach to see good people let themselves be deceived like this, when you have the word of God to tell you everything you need to know on each and every subject there is, God said straight and narrow is the way that leads to life and few their be that find it!!! And many are called but few are chosen. And I see from many years of hard core preaching that the Living word of God is So So True, and yes I am hated very deeply because of my preaching, but true Christians want and need to hear hard cold Biblical facts, there is no more time for nice little comfort zone games! You’re either in this race or not! And a good runner needs to be trained hard!!! Everybody is going to their little Apostate Churches on Sunday for 5,10,15,20 years or more and still have no idea just what the Bible actually says on any given subject! Professing Christians celebrating Roman Catholic Paganism and don’t even ask where dose Christmas, Easter, all saints day or any other pagan holyday come from, That’s a real shame, they just do it because everyone else does it, theirs going to be a hell of a lot of professing Christians in the lake of fire, and am just trying to pull them out of it, but they just don’t want to hear it, well one day Brother/Sister it will be to late and people will wish to God they would have listened to this crazy hard core preacher! I know I come off wrong but I am truly trying to save souls and the time is very very short! There is no pre tribulation Rapture like 99.9 % of Christendom believes we are all going through the Great Tribulation so just hold on tight because it’s going to be very long hard ride.

Yours in Christ

Johnny

Well people will turn a deaf ear when you come off so attacking...we do have Catholics on here that study the bible as intently as the rest of us and don't just go by 'church teachings' and put their faith in Christ alone...not any church. As I said before your initial post is not new on here and people have studied it and no one is worshiping any pagan gods on that day or any day. I believe the Lord goes by the intent in our hearts and we don't have to be so legistist...there is plently of scriptures that say this too.

Romans 14:4-5

4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

Colossians 2:20-22

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

You keep using OT commandments and laws and in this case we need to be looking at what the NT says. Christ fulfilled the laws in the OT. We follow HIS teachings now...anything He carried over from the OT then we follow too of course. We believe, as someone else said, Christ crushed satan's head...by saying we cannot have Easter and celebrate our Risen Lord we are saying satan and these pagan holidays are more powerful then Christ...more powerful then the work He did on the cross. Not one of us is going to be worshipping a pagan god on this Easter. IF they were doing that, then I would agree they were endanger of the lake of fire...but they aren't. Otherwise they would be posting on here to start with.

We are saved by the blood of Christ, and certainly not condmened for celebrating His resurrection.

There are a few on here that won't celebrate it simply because of the old pagan holidays and that is their choice and no one puts them down for it and they also respect what we do too in regards to this holiday...as the bible says:

Colossians 2
15 In this way, God disarmed the evil rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross of Christ.
16 So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself.

God bless

Toymom
Apr 3rd 2007, 02:19 AM
You don't celebrate holidays?

Are you a JW by chance?
I don't celebrate Easter and Christmas either and I am not a JW. I was born and raised a JEW however and I did not grow up celebrating those holidays and once I was born again and read the Bible I still did not find them in there or Santa or the Easter bunny and I see no need to start celebrating them now.
For those people who have family traditions at those holidays, I imagine that is fine for them, but there really is no biblical reason to make a holiday out of the Lord's incarnation, birth, sinless human living, death or resurrection. Look at the holidays of Easter and Christmas. We find bunnies and eggs and candy and tons of junk sold to decorate our homes with and themed clothing, cards, food and other consumer products. I saw a bobble head lamb of God which I find rather creepy actually
http://image.orientaltrading.com/otcimg/37_551.jpg?resize(250x250)
I love the Lord and I appreciate everything He has done from us from His incarnation to His death and resurrection. But I do not think it is necessary to celebrate Christmas and Easter which were pagan holidays coopted by the Roman Catholic Church. If other people wish to celebrate them I won't judge them by that. Perhaps they do not know the history of those holidays. Many of them do not care. But I don't wish to be judged or called a JW because I don't celebrate them.

Rukia
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:17 AM
we do have Catholics on here that study the bible as intently as the rest of us and don't just go by 'church teachings' and put their faith in Christ alone...not any church. As I said before your initial post is not new on here and people have studied it and no one is worshiping any pagan gods on that day or any day. I believe the Lord goes by the intent in our hearts and we don't have to be so legistist...there is plently of scriptures that say this too.

Thanks moonglow for that statement, I am very flattered and honored you said that for the Catholics on this board, because I know that we (the Catholics) sometimes butt heads with y'all...so, thanks! Its a true statement, and its an honor to hear it from you!

Okay. Back to the OP.


I am hated very deeply because of my preaching,

Youre not hated here. You might be disliked by nonbelievers because you have a very harsh approach that nonbelievers grew sick of very quickly...but here, you are a brother in Christ. We dont hate you, we're discussing the topic. This is not a place to preach and spread "truth" (your truth) its aplace to share and debate. No one holds a truth anymore truth than the next guy, we all believe what we believe and we share it respectfully with each other.


but true Christians want and need to hear hard cold Biblical facts,

We are hearing cold, hard Biblical facts. We read the Bible. We dont hate you, dont hate us! Its an insult to be labled as a not true Christian. The "true Christian" label/argument is a poor one overused by people who do not respect those who they preach at. I know that you respect and love the people you talk to because obviously you are concerned, but you must learn that this approach makes you sound like you are condecending. I know thats not what you are going for.


their little Apostate Churches on Sunday for 5,10,15,20 years or more and still have no idea just what the Bible actually says on any given subject!

Once again, comments like "their little Apostate Churches" is condecending and insulting. Brother in Christ, do not belittle the people you are hoping to help. We know what the Bible says, we read it. You may have a different interpretation than we do, but we are still aware of the same text. Do not tell us we dont read, it will just turn off people from listening before you even get to your main point.


Roman Catholic Paganism and don’t even ask where dose Christmas, Easter, all saints day or any other pagan holyday come from,

Your term "Roman Catholic Paganism" is your own made up (or whoever you learned all this from) term, using it only is insulting. Jesus did not insult those who preached to, do the same.


people will wish to God they would have listened to this crazy hard core preacher!

People will wish they would have looked to you for salvation? We listen to the Holy Spirit that guides us and the Lord our God, you even say at one point in this thread to "not listen to me, listen to the bible etc". Well, we do. Do not say this, this makes you sound as if you are saying that you are the way, thats dangerous and I know its not the message you want to convey.


I am truly trying to save souls

Dont stress! You are amongst your Christian Brothers and Sisters! We love God and are guided by him, do not take too much burden on your shoulders. There are enough NON-believers to worry about!


Atheists argue that ALL of Christianity is "borrowed" from "pagan" (pagan means non-Christian, basically) sources.

If you argue this then you also need to argue the following:
1. Good and evil (God and satan) were invented out of the borrowed ideas from Zoroanstrianism
2. Jesus Christ being the messiah is merely a "borrowed" theme from agricultural cults about the death and ressurection of a god figure (due to the death and rebirth of crops)
3. Jesus being borne of a virgin is just borrowed from egyptian myth, or even the idea of Romulous being born of a virgin
4. Hell might just be borrowed from Hades
5. the Virgin Mary and her Child can be seen in depictions of Isis.


Thats my own writing. Did you read my post? The same reasoning you use to defame Easter is the same reasoning that can be applied to debunk our faith. Dont use it. Its dangerous reasoning. Let people be led the Spirit, we are lead to celebrate our Lord.

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:30 AM
I am the only one in my family that chooses not to celebrate the "traditional" holidays.
I found, just because they were "traditional" did not make them truth.
I am told in the bible that Passover was a time of memorial.
Even though it is glorious that Christ rose in victory, I can understand why some would celebrate that occasion, even though it was not observed by the Apostles. Passover was.
I have been shocked by some churches that do promote the easter egg hunts, etc. for the children. I do not agree with that because of the lie. Just as I do not think children should be influenced in any lie or deceit pertaining to God's Word. Santa clause, etc.
That is just my opinion. That is just my convictions. I do pray God brings convictions upon many more.
Holidays can be fun-filled family gatherings at any time without claiming it to be a God given holiday...which they are not.
God Bless each and every one.

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:44 AM
johnny48...There are 3 scriptures that pretty much say the same thing. I will list them and just quote one of them.

Matthew 10:14: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city (or forum), shake off the dust of your feet.

The other's are
Mark 6:11
Luke 9:5

Opally
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:46 AM
I'm still seeking God on holidays, being raised RCC and knowing origins of what became Christian Holy Days I still question them. They're not in the Bible, it was something done by the early church.

http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=easter
Got questions is a great site. Wikipedia is good but remember anyone can edit anything on it so I always try to find where the author got their information.

Per GotQuestions.org;
Question: "What are the origins of Easter?"

Answer: The name Easter comes from a pagan figure called Eastre (or Eostre) who was celebrated as the goddess of spring by the Saxons of Northern Europe. A festival called Eastre was held during the Spring equinox by these people to honor her. When second century Christian missionaries wanted the Saxons to accept Christianity, they decided to use the name Easter for this holiday so that it would match the name of the old Spring celebration. This made it more comfortable for those converts to accept Christianity and still retain some of their heritage. The goddess Eastres' earthly symbol was the rabbit, which was also known as a symbol of fertility. Originally, there were some very pagan (and sometimes utterly evil) practices that went along with the celebration. In our day, Easter is almost a completely commercialized holiday, with all the focus on Easter eggs, the Easter bunny, etc.

Because of the commercialization and pagan origins of Easter, many churches are starting to refer to it as Resurrection Day. This is a positive development. The more we focus on Christ the better. The resurrection of Christ is the central theme of Christianity. Paul says that without this, our faith is futile (1Cor 15:17). What more wonderful reason could we have to celebrate! What is important is the true reason behind our celebration, which is that Christ was resurrected from the dead, making it possible for us to have eternal life (Rom 6:4)! Should we celebrate "Easter" or allow our children to go on Easter eggs hunts? There is nothing essentially evil about painting eggs, hiding eggs, and having children search for them. Again, what is important is our focus. Is our focus on Christ, or the silly eggs? Do our children understand that the eggs are just a game? I suppose children could possibly participate in an Easter egg hunt as long as the true meaning of the day is explained and emphasized - but this must be left up to the discretion of parents and churches.That's why a lot of modern day pagans/wiccans joke saying Christians celebrate a pagan holiday... which originally it was but the RCC made a holy day near it for converts to have an alternative. I'm still at the point where I'm seeking God on what to hold on to and what not to.

OneStep...
I am the only one in my family that chooses not to celebrate the "traditional" holidays.I've been wanting to do this, just be Biblical in holidays, I have a desire for Messianic Jewish fellowship, definate sound Biblical teaching but there's none near me. I can honestly say, even though I've worn a crucifix since the 80's at least, there was a difference taking it off and replacing it with a Messianic cross... I'm still breaking from old ways.

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 04:00 AM
Opally..per your quote...

Per GotQuestions.org;
Quote:
Question: "What are the origins of Easter?"

Answer: The name Easter comes from a pagan figure called Eastre (or Eostre) who was celebrated as the goddess of spring by the Saxons of Northern Europe. A festival called Eastre was held during the Spring equinox by these people to honor her. When second century Christian missionaries wanted the Saxons to accept Christianity, they decided to use the name Easter for this holiday so that it would match the name of the old Spring celebration. This made it more comfortable for those converts to accept Christianity and still retain some of their heritage. The goddess Eastres' earthly symbol was the rabbit, which was also known as a symbol of fertility. Originally, there were some very pagan (and sometimes utterly evil) practices that went along with the celebration. In our day, Easter is almost a completely commercialized holiday, with all the focus on Easter eggs, the Easter bunny, etc.

Because of the commercialization and pagan origins of Easter, many churches are starting to refer to it as Resurrection Day. This is a positive development. The more we focus on Christ the better. The resurrection of Christ is the central theme of Christianity. Paul says that without this, our faith is futile (1Cor 15:17). What more wonderful reason could we have to celebrate! What is important is the true reason behind our celebration, which is that Christ was resurrected from the dead, making it possible for us to have eternal life (Rom 6:4)! Should we celebrate "Easter" or allow our children to go on Easter eggs hunts? There is nothing essentially evil about painting eggs, hiding eggs, and having children search for them. Again, what is important is our focus. Is our focus on Christ, or the silly eggs? Do our children understand that the eggs are just a game? I suppose children could possibly participate in an Easter egg hunt as long as the true meaning of the day is explained and emphasized - but this must be left up to the discretion of parents and churches. End Quote

Opally....I do not think Jesus "comprimised", did he?
And yet there was a comprimise made in order to "recruit".
I also think "some" of the churches today are doing the same thing.
IMO

Opally
Apr 3rd 2007, 04:06 AM
I honestly agree, I guess that's why last year I didn't attend during Christmas or Easter as I'm still not comfortable with those days anymore. On one hand those days speak to seekers, would other Christians see me as a heathen for avoiding them. As I stated, 6/26/03 is when I recommitted my life to the Lord. It took me until a week after Easter 2004 before I set foot into a Protestant church as it went against everything I was taught and I prayed, studied, went into church history and more and more couldn't support much I grew up learning in the RCC. Can there be saved people in the RCC? I would think yes though I can imagine it would be hard to stay there after really looking at what scripture says.
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It's like this, I was in the RCC pretty much until I was 20, a few times after that, after I was saved & backslid... or if it was a false conversion back then... doesn't really matter, Jesus has me NOW. There's things I miss, things that were familiar to me but I can't back them up Biblically anymore. I think I was on a vendetta for a while against the RCC but I'm getting the bitterness taken out of me. I could never go back but I don't hate Catholics. I don't like the establishment and the false teachings but the people there are just like I was. Many raised in that thinking. I know God knows our hearts and doesn't wish that any should perish. Somehow, if someone is really seeking and not just going through the motions, God will get through to them and I do believe He will meet them where they're at.

sheina maidle
Apr 3rd 2007, 04:17 AM
Way of Life Encyclopedia
EASTER

A pagan holiday (Ac 12:4). This is the only place in which "easter" appears in the Authorized Version. Some say that this should be translated "passover" and they point to this as an error in the KJV, but they are wrong. The Easter of Ac. 12:4 occurred after the Passover. We know this because Ac 12:3 says it was "the days of unleavened bread." The feast of unleavened bread followed the Passover (Nu 28:16-25), but this Easter was after the feast of unleavened bread. It refers to a pagan holiday, probably the celebration of Tammuz, the sun god (Jack Moorman, Easter or Passover?). "Easter" is a proper translation to distinguish it from the Jewish Passover, and the KJV translators were wise in their choice of this word. In using the term "Easter" in Ac 12:4, The King James Translators merely left intact the reading of Tyndale, Matthews, and the Geneva Bible: "Then were the days of unleavened bread, and when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people" (The Newe Testament by William Tindale, 1526, John Wesley Sawyer, The Martyrs Bible Series).

Enlarging on this subject, Ken Johnson adds: "[Those who claim this is a mistranslation in the KJV] show a lack of two things. First, they neglect the context of the verse for it is a season that is also noted. Second, in English the season or time of year marked as the Passover season has for years been expressed in English as 'Easter.' The KJV translators did not invent this usage nor were they wrong. The Geneva Bible of 1557 translates Acts 12:4 as 'Easter.' This is also true of the 1539 Cranmer Bible-'Easter,' and the Tyndale Bible of 1534-'ester.' This takes the time element back almost 100 years for the usage of 'Easter.' Alfric, at the beginning of the eleventh century, wrote a Homily using the term Easter: 'Fram dam halgan easterlican [Easter season] (A.C. Champneys, History of English, London: Revington, Percival and Co., p. 178). This calls the Passover season 'Easter' season and it is some five hundred years plus before the KJV saw its publication with 'Easter' in Ac 12:4" (Ken Johnson, A Response to J.H. Melton's Forum Re. the King James Version and Inspiration, p. 12).The above quote says it all. Easter is pagan and to translate that verse to Passover isn't going to change that fact. The rest of the Way of Life Encyclopedia definition of Easter is found in my previous quote on this thread.

humbled
Apr 3rd 2007, 05:06 AM
I don't celebrate Easter and Christmas either and I am not a JW. I was born and raised a JEW however and I did not grow up celebrating those holidays and once I was born again and read the Bible I still did not find them in there or Santa or the Easter bunny and I see no need to start celebrating them now.
For those people who have family traditions at those holidays, I imagine that is fine for them, but there really is no biblical reason to make a holiday out of the Lord's incarnation, birth, sinless human living, death or resurrection. Look at the holidays of Easter and Christmas. We find bunnies and eggs and candy and tons of junk sold to decorate our homes with and themed clothing, cards, food and other consumer products. I saw a bobble head lamb of God which I find rather creepy actually
http://image.orientaltrading.com/otcimg/37_551.jpg?resize(250x250)
I love the Lord and I appreciate everything He has done from us from His incarnation to His death and resurrection. But I do not think it is necessary to celebrate Christmas and Easter which were pagan holidays coopted by the Roman Catholic Church. If other people wish to celebrate them I won't judge them by that. Perhaps they do not know the history of those holidays. Many of them do not care. But I don't wish to be judged or called a JW because I don't celebrate them.I wasn't judging anybody or using the term "JW" as an insulting term! I just remember speaking to a JW one time about birthdays (we worked at a restaurant and she refused to sing the song because of her religion) and she said she didn't celebrate ANY holidays because they were not in Scripture and they were forbidden by God.

Last time I checked, the angels celebrated the birth of the Savior, and gifts were given.

I think, if I recall correctly, the angels AND Apostles celebrated His resurrection.

I might have my facts mixed up tho ... :rolleyes:

The fact that they are exploited just means "the world" (and by proxy, the prince of this world) has influenced them just as it(he) has done with everything else INCLUDING the church.

*forgive the sarcasm. I guess I'm feelin' a big ornery tonight ... there was never any offense intended.

Grace to you

watchinginawe
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:01 PM
I'm going to merge this thread with the other one that the original poster dredge up from the past. We are only going to go with one Easter thread at a time here. Let's see how this works out ... here goes the merge.

ProjectPeter
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:04 PM
Since this thread has so many bunny trails (pun intended) I am closing it down and cleaning it up. Shall be open again shortly.

watchinginawe
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:08 PM
OK, it looks like the merge worked.

We have a comment to make regarding this thread. Any more strays or links to anti-trinitarian beliefs will cause the thread to be locked down. And yes, that means orthodox belief of the trinity. If you feel that this is somehow a restriction on your "rights" then review the rules that were agreed to when joining the forum.

Also, this thread will not be a thread about Roman Catholicism and will respect Protestant doctrine. Again, check the rules of the forum agreed to when joining.

Other than that, proceed. (Well, after ProjectPeter gets done raking. :))

ProjectPeter
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:19 PM
Ok we are back open. This isn't a Catholic Church doctrine discussion or is this a discussion on the trinity. If we can keep it on Easter then all will do well.

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 01:49 PM
Someone brought up the kids hunting Easter eggs...Christian children at least, are taught the egg represent new life...the new life Christ has given us...it goes with the new life we see blooming in the spring time too. After a long cold winter where everything appears to be 'dead'...much like Christ was dead in the tomb before coming back to life. Personally I think all of nature celebrates the Risen Christ in this way and spring is the perfect time to remember all through the season the new life He brought us all. I honestly cannot see the harm in celebrating our Savior's resurrection...regardless of what day it falls on. Christ freed us from restrictions, freed us from having to be legalist where we do not have to worry about getting every I dotted and every T crossed. I honestly cannot image God sending millions of true believers to hell for celebrating the resurrection of His Son, let alone because we did it on the 'wrong day'.

Romans 14:4-5

4 Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him judge whether they are right or wrong. And with the Lord’s help, they will do what is right and will receive his approval.

5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=ro&chapter=014
Adam Clark bible commentary:

Verse 6. He that regardeth the day
A beautiful apology for mistaken sincerity and injudicious reformation. Do not condemn the man for what is indifferent in itself: if he keep these festivals, his purpose is to honour God by the religious observance of them. On the other hand, he who finds that he cannot observe them in honour of God, not believing that God has enjoined them, he does not observe them at all. In like manner, he that eateth any creature of God, which is wholesome and proper food, gives thanks to God as the author of all good. And he who cannot eat of all indiscriminately, but is regulated by the precepts in the Mosaic law relative to clean and unclean meats, also gives God thanks. Both are sincere; both upright; both act according to their light; God accepts both; and they should bear with each other.
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In other words as long as its done to honor God its acceptable...if a person is not convicted in their heart to celebrate Easter or Christmas that is ok too. Neither group should complain about what the other does. The intent of the heart is what matters here.

Even those children not raised as Christians that go easter egg hunting aren't taught to do this in honor of some false god. Its possible that a very few pagan parents might teach their children something like this but those old pagan holidays are dead and long gone...I don't see the bible telling us to fear some werid man made holiday by any means.

God bless

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 02:26 PM
moonglow

Thank you so very much for your loving Christian kindness and understanding, I would like you and the rest of the Brothers and sisters on this board to understand something about me ok, Fisrt I am Italian American but I live in the Philippines for the last three years with my wife and two children and one on the way! Of course being Italian Sicilian I was born and raised roman catholic, but when I grew up and started studying the Bible on my own at 32 years old, I came to the conclusion that no man church on the face of the earth catholic or protestant tells the whole truth without mixing it with man made traditions and lies that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible or First century Christianity, I felt cheated and lied to because after joining a Pentecostal church for 11 long years I knew in my heart that the things they were teaching as well as all other denominations were not lining up 100% with scripture, sure each sect or denomination weather catholic or protestant teaches some form of truth if the didn’t they wouldn’t be able to attracted people!
But when I started reading just what the Catholic Church actually did to people during the dark ages I grew to hate it as well as all man made denominations on the face of the earth! So it’s not just the RCC I come against its Christendom at large I hate! Not the Brothers or Sisters that belong to them, like I said I myself was born catholic and belonged to a protestant Pentecostal church for 11 years, so how in the world can I look down on anyone on the face of the earth because of what group they belong to? My teaching is simply come completely out of all man made religion or sects and denominations and find freedom only in the pure word of God as it is written Word for Word without adding or taking away from it!, I tell people all the time in the Philippines that me or my ministry can not save them, the only thing that can save them is the pure word of God as it is written and their complete surrender and obedience to it!!! Am a sick man which had to close down my ministry in the Philippines and come back to the states about three weeks ago and leave my family behind because I started losing weight getting weak and feeling really sick all the time and I wind up in the hospital three times their where they found three cyst or tumors on my thyroid gland, and I tested positive for Lupus among other things, hopefully they can do something for me back here in the states so I can regain my health within the next few months and go back to the Philippines to be with my Loving wife and children and take my ministry back for Christ! But only God know if this will happen so please pray for me and my family back home and ill be praying for all of you and yours

In Christ Johnny ;)

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:01 PM
moonglow

Thank you so very much for your loving Christian kindness and understanding, I would like you and the rest of the Brothers and sisters on this board to understand something about me ok, Fisrt I am Italian American but I live in the Philippines for the last three years with my wife and two children and one on the way! Of course being Italian Sicilian I was born and raised roman catholic, but when I grew up and started studying the Bible on my own at 32 years old, I came to the conclusion that no man church on the face of the earth catholic or protestant tells the whole truth without mixing it with man made traditions and lies that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible or First century Christianity, I felt cheated and lied to because after joining a Pentecostal church for 11 long years I knew in my heart that the things they were teaching as well as all other denominations were not lining up 100% with scripture, sure each sect or denomination weather catholic or protestant teaches some form of truth if the didn’t they wouldn’t be able to attracted people!
But when I started reading just what the Catholic Church actually did to people during the dark ages I grew to hate it as well as all man made denominations on the face of the earth! So it’s not just the RCC I come against its Christendom at large I hate! Not the Brothers or Sisters that belong to them, like I said I myself was born catholic and belonged to a protestant Pentecostal church for 11 years, so how in the world can I look down on anyone on the face of the earth because of what group they belong to? My teaching is simply come completely out of all man made religion or sects and denominations and find freedom only in the pure word of God as it is written Word for Word without adding or taking away from it!, I tell people all the time in the Philippines that me or my ministry can not save them, the only thing that can save them is the pure word of God as it is written and their complete surrender and obedience to it!!! Am a sick man which had to close down my ministry in the Philippines and come back to the states about three weeks ago and leave my family behind because I started losing weight getting weak and feeling really sick all the time and I wind up in the hospital three times their where they found three cyst or tumors on my thyroid gland, and I tested positive for Lupus among other things, hopefully they can do something for me back here in the states so I can regain my health within the next few months and go back to the Philippines to be with my Loving wife and children and take my ministry back for Christ! But only God know if this will happen so please pray for me and my family back home and ill be praying for all of you and yours

In Christ Johnny ;)

I was wondering how your time on the board was lining up with those of us in the states if you were from the Philippines....that explains alot. I am truly sorry to hear you are suffering from some illness...:( I will be more then happy to pray for you too! We have a pray fourm on this board here: http://bibleforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=28 Where you can post prayer requests...I am sure others will be glad to pray for you also. Are you currently staying with family here in the states while you go through treatment? Just wondering since you have internet access though I think we have has some post on here from the Philippines also...we have people posting on here from all over the world actually. The board owner here is from Africa actually.

I think most of on here realize no church is perfect but they go because the bible tells us to worship the Lord in fellowship with other believers. Some are lucky enough to find some truly wonderful churches that line up well with the bible. Anything run by man isn't going to be perfect but many do the best they can. And we are painfully aware that there are more and more apostate churches out there too and speak against their teachings. We have people on here from all different denominations also. No one on here claims to have all the answers or knows it all...we are all still learning and at different levels in our spiritual maturity and knowledge of the bible too so try not to be too disappointed when you see those new in Christ believing well, what they view at this time to be correct. I know my view point on many things has changed quiet a bit since joining and I do more indepth bible studies. Plus of course, time in prayer with the Lord leading and directing has been great in helping me understand His ways. :)

Thanks for sharing that information about yourself that helps to know where you are both physically and spiritually.

God bless

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:18 PM
I just found the perfect example in the bible of God putting Himself over a pagan god...just like we put our way of celebrating Easter over the pagan celebration...to stamp it out!

In this passage of the OT the Israelites has turned away from God and were worshipping Baal and Asherah, both false gods and actually directly from satan. The worship of these gods involved scarifcing babies and children alive by the way...throwing them into fire alive...among other things...pretty awful gruesome stuff. God, in His anger had turned them over to the Midianites who were extremely cruel to them.

Then one day an angel of the Lord appears to Gideon.

Judges 6
11 Then the angel of the Lord came and sat beneath the great tree at Ophrah, which belonged to Joash of the clan of Abiezer. Gideon son of Joash was threshing wheat at the bottom of a winepress to hide the grain from the Midianites. 12 The angel of the Lord appeared to him and said, “Mighty hero, the Lord is with you!”

13 “Sir,” Gideon replied, “if the Lord is with us, why has all this happened to us? And where are all the miracles our ancestors told us about? Didn’t they say, ‘The Lord brought us up out of Egypt’? But now the Lord has abandoned us and handed us over to the Midianites.”

14 Then the Lord turned to him and said, “Go with the strength you have, and rescue Israel from the Midianites. I am sending you!”

15 “But Lord,” Gideon replied, “how can I rescue Israel? My clan is the weakest in the whole tribe of Manasseh, and I am the least in my entire family!”

16 The Lord said to him, “I will be with you. And you will destroy the Midianites as if you were fighting against one man.”

17 Gideon replied, “If you are truly going to help me, show me a sign to prove that it is really the Lord speaking to me. 18 Don’t go away until I come back and bring my offering to you.”

He answered, “I will stay here until you return.”

19 Gideon hurried home. He cooked a young goat, and with a basket[a] of flour he baked some bread without yeast. Then, carrying the meat in a basket and the broth in a pot, he brought them out and presented them to the angel, who was under the great tree.

20 The angel of God said to him, “Place the meat and the unleavened bread on this rock, and pour the broth over it.” And Gideon did as he was told. 21 Then the angel of the Lord touched the meat and bread with the tip of the staff in his hand, and fire flamed up from the rock and consumed all he had brought. And the angel of the Lord disappeared.

22 When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the Lord, he cried out, “Oh, Sovereign Lord, I’m doomed! I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face!”

23 “It is all right,” the Lord replied. “Do not be afraid. You will not die.” 24 And Gideon built an altar to the Lord there and named it Yahweh-Shalom (which means “the Lord is peace”). The altar remains in Ophrah in the land of the clan of Abiezer to this day.

25 That night the Lord said to Gideon, “Take the second bull from your father’s herd, the one that is seven years old. Pull down your father’s altar to Baal, and cut down the Asherah pole standing beside it. 26 Then build an altar to the Lord your God here on this hilltop sanctuary, laying the stones carefully. Sacrifice the bull as a burnt offering on the altar, using as fuel the wood of the Asherah pole you cut down.”

27 So Gideon took ten of his servants and did as the Lord had commanded. But he did it at night because he was afraid of the other members of his father’s household and the people of the town.


Not only did the Lord have Gideon put the Lords altar on top of the Baal altar, He had Gideon use the wood from the false god made from a pole! But why not? These things were not real and just made of wood...God didn't see it as an insult to use these idols to be burned upon His altar as they were really nothing. What they stood for and what the people did with them....worshipping them, that was the insult and caused the anger in the Lord to start with. He didn't have Gideon destroy them then sit up His altar far away from them...why should He? He is all powerful and showed 'who was in charge' by actually having them burnt at His altar. This is the same thing with the Christian Easter...the celebrating of Christ being placed OVER a pagan holiday..not to run from it by having Easter on a different day to avoid it, but by showing 'who is in charge' and its not the a pagan holiday.

God bless

Opally
Apr 3rd 2007, 03:49 PM
If a Messianic Jewish church was near me that's what I would be in. At the same time I realize my adversion to Ash Wednesday, thinking it was purely RCC didn't make for a good witness to someone that was probably seeking. I'm still getting a root of bitterness out of me via God's help. I let the accuser of the brethen make me feel like I was a plague to God's children but God doesn't condemn us, He sent Jesus to die for us. I can relate to coming out of the RCC, looking at church history and being stunned. I think I actually hated it for a time but then I'm lumping in people with that. My family is still Catholic. I need to keep my heart soft, keep seeking God on all things and pray for them. I only desire to be a follower of Christ and not all the things that were added into the picture after what we have in the Bible. It's funny in a way, there's part of me that really misses the churches, the incense, the ambiance but I only knew about God there, I didn't really know Him. I sought and cried out to Him but I didn't understand giving my life to Him. I used to defend the RCC trying to convince Protestants we were the one true church, I knew nothing of scripture when I did. I don't need to get caught up in denomination labels or manmade thinking, I only want to be a follower of Jesus, Yeshua.

And several weeks ago, I finally took my crucifix off, I had been wearing it all this time but that's an old me.

Realist1981
Apr 3rd 2007, 05:15 PM
What does the easter bunny, hiding eggs, and all that stuff have to do with Chirst's ressurection?

blbcHelvsme
Apr 3rd 2007, 05:43 PM
What does the easter bunny, hiding eggs, and all that stuff have to do with Chirst's ressurection?
Nothing, that is why we celebrate Passover instead. What does Passover have to do with Christ death and ressurection? Well:

Lamb-represents that Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world

unleavened bread-represents that Jesus was with out sin(leaven), unleavened bread is pierced and 'bruised'. Jesus was pierced and bruised for our sake.

Bitter herbs-represents our efforts to be come holy without Jesus and also represents our sin life. (eaten alone and with the apple, nut, honey mixture)

salt water-represents our tears

wine-represents the blood of Jesus that was poured out for us.

apple,nut honey mixture(can't think of the name)- represents the covering of our sins(is eaten w/ the bitter herb). When we accept Jesus with our heart, He covers our sins and makes them as they never were.

Those are part of the sadar that is done the day before Passover. Passover is also call 'Feast of Unleavened Bread'. On the third day of Passover is a day called 'First Fruits'. Jesus was raised from the grave on First Fruits showing that He is the first of many that will be ressurected-which is a hope for most believers.

Also, just as the Passover of the OT represented the freedom of the Israelites from the bondage of Egypt, Passover for Messianic Christians represents the freedom from bondage of sin.

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 06:46 PM
Opally (http://bibleforums.org/member.php?u=19902)
Citizen
Are you a Christian?: Yes, I am a Christian.

If a Messianic Jewish church was near me that's what I would be in. At the same time I realize my adversion to Ash Wednesday, thinking it was purely RCC didn't make for a good witness to someone that was probably seeking. I'm still getting a root of bitterness out of me via God's help. I let the accuser of the brethen make me feel like I was a plague to God's children but God doesn't condemn us, He sent Jesus to die for us. I can relate to coming out of the RCC, looking at church history and being stunned. I think I actually hated it for a time but then I'm lumping in people with that. My family is still Catholic. I need to keep my heart soft, keep seeking God on all things and pray for them. I only desire to be a follower of Christ and not all the things that were added into the picture after what we have in the Bible. It's funny in a way, there's part of me that really misses the churches, the incense, the ambiance but I only knew about God there, I didn't really know Him. I sought and cried out to Him but I didn't understand giving my life to Him. I used to defend the RCC trying to convince Protestants we were the one true church, I knew nothing of scripture when I did. I don't need to get caught up in denomination labels or manmade thinking, I only want to be a follower of Jesus, Yeshua.

And several weeks ago, I finally took my crucifix off, I had been wearing it all this time but that's an old me.



wow you realy touched my Heart Brother/Sister your doing the right thing!!1 The Bible tells us to come out from among them and touch not the unclean thing and i shall receive you! And this world Church system called christem is the unclean thing, but please be very careful Messianic Jewish Churches have as many apostate churches as we do! they all have
different beliefs and teachings and many of them way that we must keep the OT Jewish Laws of Moses which are written in the first 5 bookes of the OT Which Christ freed us and the Jews from, so its kind of like jumping out of the frying pan and straight into the fire!!! so just get yourself an old KJVB and try to go back To the original Greek translation on every scrpture you can little by little and you'll be fine. I love you in christ brother Please Pray for me and mine and ill be praying for you and yours.

peace in Christ

Johnny

PS my mother is Roman catholic also and she will not listen to anything i have to say about the Bible
But she Loves the ground i walk on;)

Opally
Apr 3rd 2007, 06:53 PM
I'm a sister in Christ. :) Most of my family is in the RCC and God is leading me through healing from things I need to heal from and then I will, I assume be telling them. I was stuck in a pre-Vatican II wanna-be church a few years before I left home and it had me all sidetracked but God has me back now. I question everything, I really do, bringing it to God. I wandered all over the place but it took a 6 month medical leave and living under the fear of losing my sight gradually... but Jesus carried me back, the inflammation is gone in my eyes and though I'm with bifocals at 39 and already had cataract surgery once... it's a small reminder of where I was. Bit by bit I'm weeding things out and yes, I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 06:55 PM
Sorry moonglow
yes i am staying in Paterson New Jersey my home town with my Sister and my father while am here, She has her own office in the house and lets me use her computer as much as i want! What a Blessing, Back home in the Philippines i live on an Island called iloilo its mostly rice farmers and no phone lines or runing water so i have to go to another town to a internet cafe to study everyday its really something thier but i woulden't trade it for the world, God is so so good All the time

God bless
johnny

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 06:57 PM
I am not at the point I think it would be damnation for observing what most Christians observe. It is a matter of choice. God has always given us choice.
I do not condemn my family or anyone else for partaking in such activities. It is a conviction of my own that was placed on my heart with a new found truth, pertaining to my search.
Don't get me wrong. I believe God does teach each and everyone what it is they are seeking.
It is God's judgment and only God's judgment that is final in all things.
It is up to each and every one of us to walk in the light that the Holy Spirit of God has provided us.

johnny48
Apr 3rd 2007, 07:18 PM
Opally

Well Sister I Pray that our Lord, master and savior Yeshua ha messiah grant you the victory mentally physically and most of all spiritually from the crown of your head to the souls of your feet and meets all your needs both big and small and that our Father which is in Heaven will draw you closer and closer to a true relation with his one and only Son who died for all of us in here no matter what race creed or color we may be and this prayer goes out to every Brother and Sister in Christ on this message board and their families through out the whole earth in the most precious most Holy name of Christ Joshua Oh Hallelujah Praise Him and give Him All the glory 24-7

Yours in Christ

johnny:pray: ;)

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 08:13 PM
In Jesus name, Hallelujah...AMEN

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 08:24 PM
What does the easter bunny, hiding eggs, and all that stuff have to do with Chirst's ressurection?

I just explained about what the eggs means for the Christian family here:http://bibleforums.org/showpost.php?p=1216158&postcount=52 We put decorations on the eggs that say "He has Risen" and other things about Jesus too. I have never done the 'easter bunny' thing...nor the tooth fairy, nor santa claus with my son. The baskets (which I make my own and put a picture of Jesus in them) are just for fun and hiding the eggs is just for fun...a fun thing for children to do. Didn't you play games as a child? I grew up doing this and it didn't lead me to worship a false god...I see no reason why my son can't do it. On Thrusday we are going to go to my mom's church for a passover meal so my son learns about that too (went last year too). The whole focus of this week is mostly on Christ starting with Palms Sunday....but why can't children be children and have a little fun too? I see no harm in it.

God bless

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 08:35 PM
REALLY....Absolutely nothing

And the women went to the tomb early in the morning on the first day of the week, and saw that the tomb was empty
And behold, up hopped the Easter rabbit with a bright basket of colorful decorated eggs
And he said to the woman, Lo, He is not here, He is risen!!!

Now don't get all in a huff...this was in fun. I saw it written in a magazine, I didn't make it up. but thought it appropriate....then again...someone is gonna get mad at me so I apologize for my human flesh.

Studyin'2Show
Apr 3rd 2007, 09:10 PM
I guess I missed this one earlier. :dunno: I just wanted to add a little something. Before I begin, I make no judgments about anyone in their choices. I do, however, believe Christians would be very blessed by celebrating the feasts of the Lord. That said, someone mentioned that celebrating the Passover was like celebrating His death but not His resurrection. This comes from not completely understanding the Passover season. The 8 days of Pesach actually include Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, & The Feast of First Fruits. The Feast of First Fruit would be the day after the regular Sabbath day within the Passover 8 days. This would have been the first day of the week during the Passover week in which Jesus was crucified. So, although I don't celebrate easter, I do celebrate His rising on the Feasts of First Fruits. Him being the First Fruit from the grave makes sense in that light, doesn't it?

I Corinthians 15:20-23
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

God Bless!

Realist1981
Apr 3rd 2007, 09:17 PM
REALLY....Absolutely nothing

And the women went to the tomb early in the morning on the first day of the week, and saw that the tomb was empty
And behold, up hopped the Easter rabbit with a bright basket of colorful decorated eggs
And he said to the woman, Lo, He is not here, He is risen!!!

Now don't get all in a huff...this was in fun. I saw it written in a magazine, I didn't make it up. but thought it appropriate....then again...someone is gonna get mad at me so I apologize for my human flesh.

lol
That was hilarious.

moonglow
Apr 3rd 2007, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the mocking...:( :cry: I don't bash you guys for not celebrating easter and I sure don't make up cutting poems about it either.

Doesn't seem like very Christ like behavior if you ask me...

OneStep
Apr 3rd 2007, 09:56 PM
Now Moonglow....you can't stay mad at me....I already apologized, remember.

Opally
Apr 4th 2007, 02:26 AM
Opally

Well Sister I Pray that our Lord, master and savior Yeshua ha messiah grant you the victory mentally physically and most of all spiritually from the crown of your head to the souls of your feet and meets all your needs both big and small and that our Father which is in Heaven will draw you closer and closer to a true relation with his one and only Son who died for all of us in here no matter what race creed or color we may be and this prayer goes out to every Brother and Sister in Christ on this message board and their families through out the whole earth in the most precious most Holy name of Christ Joshua Oh Hallelujah Praise Him and give Him All the glory 24-7

Yours in Christ

johnny:pray: ;)

A big huge AMEN to your prayer and I pray the same with you for everyone! I've stopped trying to figure things out, that's flesh because I'm trying to rely on me, I need to rely on Him. I give everything to God and pray for the sense to not try and yank it back making a mess. I learned my lesson with that the hard way but lesson learned.

I thank God daily for who He is, all that He's done and will do. His will is perfect, my will isn't, but His is!

teshuva
Apr 5th 2007, 10:26 PM
Hi johnny48, it's nice to meet you!

I was reading your comments and just wanted to tell you my family and I will be lifting you up in prayer every day that the Lord will bless and heal you and watch over your family. He is a wonderful God!!

I just had a partial thyroidectomy in November and am praising God for the wonderful surgeon that worked with me. I live in Virginia but am originally from NY. We went up to Long Island for my surgery. She is one of the best in this field and is extremely professional. If you need a surgeon please e-mail me and I will give you any information you need.

But please know, you have brothers and sisters in Christ that will be in prayer before our Merciful Father for the restoration of your health and reunion with your loved ones.

God Bless You and Your Family,

Teshuva

Chimon
Apr 6th 2007, 06:59 PM
Good job, that was so funny.

I am not into celebrating holidays myself because they are
forbidden by God in the Bible, but to each his own.
People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. Jesus says that they hated him,
and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake.

Once again, good job. That was well put together.

...God bless you.
Can you given contextual scriptural support of that statement?

Rukia
Apr 6th 2007, 08:44 PM
Its funny, artissues, because you say...


I
am not into celebrating holidays myself because they are
forbidden by God in the Bible,

Then you say


but to each his own.

So you use this "but to each his own" in a really condescending way. Its funny, because youre like "ITS EVIL AND WRONG" then you say "but whatever, people can do it"
THEN you say


People will become extremely angry when anyone goes
against their holidays. Jesus says that they hated him,
and they will hate us too...for righteouness sake.

That all Christians HATE you because you are telling THEM that they are SINNING by celebrating the Lord's resurrection (but to each his own, right?)

So you are a Christian persecuted by other Christians?

Jesus said that Christians would persecute each other and hate each other?

Holidays arent forbidden by God. Where is the scripture that says celebrating is wrong?

Its fine if you dont like Holidays, alot of people dont, but how can you say that you are persecuted, that your fellow Christians are doing something forbidden (implying they are evil), and most importantly...why do you think everyone hates you?! We dont hate you!

Studyin'2Show
Apr 6th 2007, 10:03 PM
Can you given contextual scriptural support of that statement?I believe he's probably referring to something like this:

Deuteronomy 12:31-32
31 You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

God tells His people to be careful to observe the things He commands and not to take away from or add to them. Then God lays everything out concerning the days that are to be observed in Leviticus 23, calling them His feast days; the Feasts of the LORD. I am in NO WAY against celebrating the resurrection of our Lord and Saviour. However, the fact is that God has already laid out for us how to do that. It is the feast of first fruits, celebrated on the day after the regular Sabbath during the Passover week, which this year just happens to be on the day celebrated as easter. Is it any surprise that Jesus was raised on the day which God laid out to celebrate the first fruits of the harvest? Jesus was the firstfruits of the harvest from the dead.

I'm not one to point any fingers. I was also celebrating easter a few years ago. The Lord has led me in a different way now and my family has been blessed. Only God knows the heart and there are many believers that I respect very much that celebrate easter. God has led me to this point. I believe He will lead others as He sees fit. It is not my place to make any judgments. Although I don't agree with the traditional interpretation of Colossians 2:16-17, the bottom line is that we should not be legalistic about our worship. It has to be ABOUT Christ who is the substance! If you ask me why I celebrate as I do I'll tell you without any need to point fingers at those who do it differently.

God Bless!

robycop3
Apr 17th 2007, 02:39 PM
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT Many sincere professing Christians today do not realize that Easter Sunday is pure Roman Catholic paganism that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Christ! And that we are commanded by the apostle Paul to keep our NT Passover in 1 Cor 5:7- We are to proclaim the death of Christ as our NT Passover Lamb every year at the same time, the night Christ was betrayed 14 Nisan which is this evening Sunday april 2 sunset to Monday April 3 Sunset, Jewish days start at sunset!!!

Please if you truly love Christ check it out for yourself.

In Christ

Johnny;)

I hafta disagree...Passover was given ONLY TO ISRAEL, and no one else is required to observe it. After all, it was ONLY ISRAEL which was 'passed over'.

However, God said that if any non-Israeli wishes to observe Passover, he/she must follow exactly the same rules for it given to Israel. So he does NOT prohibit 'gentiles' observing Passover. But neither does He REQUIRE it.

Opally
Apr 17th 2007, 02:53 PM
Remember, Yeshua didn't come to change the law but fulfill it. Easter and Christmass are old RCC exchanges for pagan days. While at the time they very well may have created those holy days with good intentions so converts had an alternative, they weren't Biblical. I remember learning of holidays/holy days when I was still in the RCC and I honstly don't remember where I learned it. I highly doubt my CCD classes taught that but I could be wrong. I also know God knows our hearts.

Studyin'2Show
Apr 17th 2007, 04:08 PM
I hafta disagree...Passover was given ONLY TO ISRAEL, and no one else is required to observe it. After all, it was ONLY ISRAEL which was 'passed over'.

However, God said that if any non-Israeli wishes to observe Passover, he/she must follow exactly the same rules for it given to Israel. So he does NOT prohibit 'gentiles' observing Passover. But neither does He REQUIRE it.Do you feel required to observe Christmas or easter? Is that what it's about, being required to celebrate? I would think it would be about having the opportunity to celebrate, not compulsion. When reading the gospels you can see that Jesus observed all of the feasts of the LORD, as well as the feast of dedication (Hanukah), and in Torah there was no command to do that. Hanukah would have been by a choice that my Lord and Master made. Jesus has said to His disciples "Follow Me", and that what I do. I follow Him in word and deed, and have been totally blessed by it.

God Bless!

awestruckchild
Apr 22nd 2007, 08:13 PM
He reads our hearts and minds. Many of these posts are by worried people. I understand - we sure don't want to offend our Father.
Just keep in mind that He reads the true intent and feeling and spirit of our hearts and minds and we need not fear offending Him if our hearts are in a good place with Him.
I think the Easter bunny is a cute and fuzzy guy and if he is an enemy of God, God has yet to inform me of it. If He ever does, I will gladly go and shoot the evil, fuzzy wretch for us all.

Opally
Apr 22nd 2007, 08:25 PM
I guess I'm trying to still understand where the line is drawn in such matters. In my wandering days dabbling with familiar spirits and hanging out with new agers, pagans and wiccans… all the variety into ‘white magic’, the ‘good’, even I professed to be a Christian in those wandering days yet I was so deceived. I’m to the point I want to line up everything with scripture. I can’t connect an Easter bunny or eggs to Yeshua and I know God knows our hearts, perhaps I do still have fear on these things to get over. Being raised RCC and then having the pre-Vatican II wanna-be church that denounced everything not RC, I was raised in deception and took it for truth because that’s what I was taught. I don’t want to be there again.

Studyin'2Show
Apr 22nd 2007, 08:44 PM
He reads our hearts and minds. Many of these posts are by worried people. I understand - we sure don't want to offend our Father.
Just keep in mind that He reads the true intent and feeling and spirit of our hearts and minds and we need not fear offending Him if our hearts are in a good place with Him.
I think the Easter bunny is a cute and fuzzy guy and if he is an enemy of God, God has yet to inform me of it. If He ever does, I will gladly go and shoot the evil, fuzzy wretch for us all.The easter bunny is nothing, the goddess Diana is nothing, Ba'al is nothing. I do not 'fear' any of these things. I have not put away these traditions of my fathers because I'm afraid of 'offending' my heavenly Father, but rather because I want to follow Messiah. My Saviour celebrated the feasts of the LORD. So shall I!

God Bless!

awestruckchild
Apr 22nd 2007, 08:45 PM
Don't fear- just keep seeking, keep speaking to God about your questions. and relax and believe He will lead you. We aren't to worry and we are to trust Him to not let us go.