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Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 08:30 PM
I was asked awhile back to at some point present the study I was doing regarding the priests and their service, and how it relates to us today.
Well, I have finally started on it.(Key word there is 'started':lol:)
It's a lengthy study, with alot involved, and I have only just begun.
It will take me a good while to finish it, so check back occasionally. I'll update it as I go along.
I will also be presenting this material at the Bible Study at church, so I have an incentive to be diligent about it.:lol:

Brother Mark
Aug 15th 2007, 08:31 PM
I am looking forward to this big time! I can't wait Kahtar.

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

BTW, what does Kahtar mean?

Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 08:37 PM
I am looking forward to this big time! I can't wait Kahtar.

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

BTW, what does Kahtar mean?What?:eek: A rabbit trail already?:lol:
It is a Hebrew word which basically means 'crowned one', which is what my real name means. (I did not name myself..........;))


The following material is derived in part from Ada R. Habershon's 'Priests and Levites', Kregal Publications
Some insights have been gleaned from Talmidim, on this board. (He is guilty of inspiring me to study this out---:lol:
Small portions of it actually come from my own study and understanding, for whatever that is worth.

Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 08:39 PM
In Peter’s first epistle, he explained to ‘ the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,’ that
‘Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:’ 1 Peter 2:5-9
From this, we learn that we, who are called of God, are indeed a ‘holy priesthood’, and our service is to our High Priest and King, Christ Jesus. More than that, we are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a peculiar people.

The Greek word translated 'peculiar' there is G4047 περιποίησις peripoiēsis per-ee-poy'-ay-sis, and it’s meaning is rather interesting:
From G4046; acquisition (the act or the thing); by extension preservation: - obtain (-ing), peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
With that definition of who we are in Christ in our minds, let us then examine the scriptures, with that bit of ‘light’ shining upon what we read.
Of the scriptures, Paul said:
All scripture given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. [I]2 Timothy 3:16-17

Of course, the scripture he was referring to there was the Old Testament, since the New Testament did not exist at that time. It would be safe to include the New Testament in that understanding, however.
So let us understand at the outset that ALL scripture is from God, provided to us by God, for the purpose of learning doctrine, correction, instruction in righteousness, both Old and New Testaments.
As to the Old Testament, in Paul’s letter to Colosse, he said:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ. [I]Colossians 2:16-17

And we can understand from this that much of what is written in the Old Testament is a shadow of things to come, and as such, are there to show us a glimpse, in our day, of what has already come, and what is yet to come.

Now back to the priest concept. If we are considered, by God, to be a kingdom of priests, a holy nation, set apart for service to Christ, would it not be of great benefit to us to learn what is expected of us as priests in His Kingdom?
That is what this study is about. It is going to look at a large number of scriptures found in the New Testament, and compare them to their shadow.
In the Old Testament times, they had good understanding of the shadow, but had difficulty understanding That which cast the shadow.
Today, we can see Who is casting the shadow, but to our detriment, we often ignore the shadow, for even in seeing, we do not fully comprehend, we see through a glass darkly, as Paul said, and so by examining the shadow, and He Who casts it, together, we are able to come to a clearer understanding.
The shadows that we will be examining are that of the priesthood of Israel, of Aaron the High Priest, and his brothers, and all those of the tribe of Levi.
The Levites were a separated people, God’s special possession. They took the place of all the firstborn in Israel, of those who were saved from the sword of the destroyer by the blood of the lamb.
They were typically a dead and risen people, set apart to God, and by Him presented as a gift to Aaron the High Priest, to do the service of the tabernacle.
In all this, the Levites were a type of God’s people now. It is not merely that we are pardoned, justified, and accepted. All this is true. But we are called to the high and holy work of bearing through this world the Name, the testimony, the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
A true Levite could say, ‘To me to live is the Tabernacle’. A true Christian today can say ‘To me to live is Christ.’
As priests, we are privileged to worship, but as Levites we are responsible to serve; and our service is to carry through this desert scene the antitype of the Tabernacle, and that Tabernacle was the figure of Christ.

Brother Mark
Aug 15th 2007, 08:46 PM
What?:eek: A rabbit trail already?:lol:
It is a Hebrew word which basically means 'crowned one', which is what my real name means. (I did not name myself..........;))

Yep. God named the stars and that's what we are. We each got our name from God. Crowned One. I like that name. :)

Rabbit trails can be very rewarding. Sometimes there are rabbits waiting and they can be rather tasty. :saint:

Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 08:49 PM
In light of the fact that the whole purpose of our sojourn on this planet is to
…..come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Ephesians 4:13
let us then take a look at what our future holds, and what will be our position and service at that time. The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ through the Apostle John will provide us much of that information, as well as a few other scriptures.
No More Burdens
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Hebrews 4:9
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. [I]Revelation 3:12
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:13
A pillar does not move. It remains stationary. A pillar in the Temple of God, therefore, remains forever in His presence, and does not go in and out.
I will speak more about our new name later, but for now it is sufficient to point out the fact that we will indeed be given a new name.
For David said, The LORD God of Israel hath given rest unto his people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem for ever: And also unto the Levites; they shall no [more] carry the tabernacle, nor any vessels of it for the service thereof. 1 Chronicles 23:25-26

And said unto the Levites that taught all Israel, which were holy unto the LORD, Put the holy ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of Israel did build; not a burden upon [your] shoulders: serve now the LORD your God, and his people Israel, [B][I]2 Chronicles 35:3

And these [are they] whom David set over the service of song in the house of the LORD, after that the ark had rest. 1 Chronicles 6:31
The fact that we will have rest from our labors does not indicate that we will be idle, not be doing anything. We certainly shall be doing, and that continually. But it will not be a toilsome thing, but rather a pleasure to perform.
Now let us take a look at the ‘shadow’ presented in the Word.

The Israelites had come into the Promised Land. The throne of David was at Jerusalem, and there the Temple would be built, by Solomon. Their sojourn through the wilderness was over, their trials and tribulations ceased.
In this place, the Levites would no longer have to carry about the Ark, nor the Tabernacle, and thus they had rest.But were they Idle? No. They daily ministered to God and to the people, according to the dictates of the High Priest.
The fact is, they were quite busy, for every single day, morning and evening, they prepared and offered a sacrifice, conducted the morning and evening service in the Temple and all that required. From cleaning the Temple and the furnishings, to offering incense, to singing and prayer, they remained quite busy, during the scheduled time that each was to serve, according to his course.
But we will delve into many of those things later on in the study.
Day and Night Service
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:15

As we can see, we will be actively ministering to God, day and night. Now one might ask how this is possible, since we read later on that there will be no night. It is my thought that this is written as it is in order to direct our attention to the service in the physical Temple in Jerusalem, for there, the priests did minister day and night. One can infer from this that it will be a continual service.
What manner of service will we be occupied with? Singing, for one thing. This is brought out in the shadow.
And these [are] the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites, [who remaining] in the chambers [were] free: for they were employed in [that] work day and night. 1 Chronicles 9:33
White Robes
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 19:7-8
Our attire will be righteousness, depicted here as fine linen, clean and white. Again, there is purpose in it being described as such, and that purpose points us right back at the Levites in the Temple.
And it shall come to pass, [that] when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within. Ezekiel 44:17

The reason for pointing our attention to the priests in the Temple is to give us greater understanding. Remember, the Levites and the Temple, and their service, was a shadow of the real thing. In Revelation, we see the real thing, that which is to come, but the shadow gives us better understanding. In reading Revelation, we only see that those ministering there are clothed in righteousness, described as linen, but in the shadow, we see great detail in the actual function.
In the Temple, the priests could not enter unless they first put on the prescribed clothing. Their entry into the inner court was a shadow of our coming into the presence of God to minister, and the teaching here is that for us now, as well as in our future abode, we will not be permitted to enter without that pure white, spotless linen of righteousness. Only the righteous will enter. Only those who have washed their robes in the blood of Christ are found righteous, for that righteousness comes only through that blood.
The shadows, as seen in the Levites and their service, was all done according to a pattern, given to Moses, and Aaron, and David. That pattern was a copy, a shadow, of the REAL Temple and the REAL service that does and will take place therein.
Take heed now; for the LORD hath chosen thee to build an house for the sanctuary: be strong, and do . Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat, And the pattern of all that he had by the spirit, of the courts of the house of the LORD, and of all the chambers round about, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries of the dedicated things: Also for the courses of the priests and the Levites, and for all the work of the service of the house of the LORD, and for all the vessels of service in the house of the LORD. [I]1 Chronicles 28:10-13

It is essential to grasp this understanding of the pattern on earth compared to the real thing in heaven. Without that understanding, none of the rest of this study will make much sense, nor will we understand those things we read in the book of Revelation, and only slightly understand in the rest of the New Testament.

Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 08:52 PM
The Temple Filled
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:8-10
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. Revelation 15:8

Why 24 elders? According to the pattern provided us in the shadow, there are 24 courses of priests. Thus, each one represented the entire course to which he belongs.
Who are the twenty-four elders here? We see that they all have harps, golden vials of incense, and they all sing.
And what is the song they sing? We are the redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. We are from every kindred, tongue, people, and nation. We have been made kings and priests. We will reign (with Christ) on the earth.
These twenty-four elders are representative of all of us, for it is WE who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, we who are from every tribe, tongue and nation. We have been made priests and kings, and will rule with Him.
And when we all come together, in one accord, in one ‘song’, what happens? God’s glory fills the temple.
And now, the shadow:
And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy [place]: (for all the priests [that were] present were sanctified, [and] did not [then] wait by course: Also the Levites [which were] the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)
It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers [were] as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up [their] voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, [saying], For [he is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever: that [then] the house was filled with a cloud, [even] the house of the LORD; So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God. 2 Chronicles 5:11-14

Now, if the 24 elders are representatives of all the people of every tribe, tongue, and nation who are found in heaven, where do the 24 elders first appear, and thus where do we first appear?
After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Revelation 4:1-4

Here in Revelation chapter 4, the 24 elders first appear. Notice how they are attired? They are clothed in white raiment. Go back up to the section about the White Robes. There we are told clearly what that white raiment represents, and who it is that wears them. And the crowns?
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 1 Corinthians 9:25
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 2 Timothy 4:8
Blessed the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.[B][I] James 1:12
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 1 Peter 5:4

By now, you should be gaining the understanding that what is represented in the book of Revelation is a picture of the service in the Temple, the true Temple, and that the priests found there are you and I. You should be able to see that it can be more clearly known by the shadow of it found in the Old Testament.
We will eventually come to understand exactly what the specific service taking place there is, for it is a specific service, and it can be identified by the clues provided, by comparing them to the shadow services.

Okay, that's it for a while...................;)

Brother Mark
Aug 15th 2007, 09:38 PM
White Robes
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 19:7-8
Our attire will be righteousness, depicted here as fine linen, clean and white. Again, there is purpose in it being described as such, and that purpose points us right back at the Levites in the Temple.
And it shall come to pass, [that] when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within. Ezekiel 44:17Just a thought Kahtar. Wool was prohibited. Wool is grown by natural sheep without spiritual help. Linen is spiritual. We are not to minister in the flesh. Wool also makes us sweat. We cannot enter in clothed in that which comes natural to the natural man.

I also thought of this verse when you mentioned pattern ...

Heb 9:21-23
21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
NASB

The OT tabernacle was patterned after the heavenly "thing".

Excellent study. I am looking forward to more. There is much to digest here.

Kahtar
Aug 15th 2007, 09:49 PM
Good points, Mark. Thanks.:)

talmidim
Aug 16th 2007, 06:45 AM
Wooo Whoo! Lots of parallels my friend, just like you said! Great study! I'll be stealing some of this you know (ya ha ha!):D

Kahtar
Aug 16th 2007, 12:45 PM
Wooo Whoo! Lots of parallels my friend, just like you said! Great study! I'll be stealing some of this you know (ya ha ha!):DYou are welcome to it my friend, but you'll be seeing some familiar points in it, too.;)

Kahtar
Aug 16th 2007, 06:40 PM
As we examine our position today, in this life, as a priest of God, we will find two distict directions in which our service flows, those being inwardly and outwardly, or more specifically, to God, and to our neighbor. A. Habershon breaks it down into three, in the wilderness, in the land, and in the sanctuary. But the wilderness and the land are both outward, so here we will examine them together. As we study these, keep in mind that our work takes place in both places simultaneously, or from Habershon’s persepective, all three.
So let us first examine our work as it applies to God.
Our Inward Work
As we know from the shadows given us, the primary work of the priests took place within the Temple itself. Paul had some interesting things to speak to us in this regard:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:16

This has some I think important implications for us. We are the Temple today. Our own bodies are the Temple of God. It is within us that God now dwells.
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19
And again, all of us collectively make up the Temple as well.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2:18-22
So, each of us is a stone of the Temple. Now it is interesting to look at the shadow here, for when Solomon was building the Temple in Jerusalem, all of the stones were hewn out away from the building site, and brought already prepared and ready to place. Even all of the vessels and instruments were made outside, so that there was not a sound of tools to be heard inside.
And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe [nor] any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building. 1 Kings 6:7
The field is the world, and God is hewing each of us in the field, and molding us in the clay, and afterward shall build His house.

Kahtar
Aug 16th 2007, 06:44 PM
We know from the shadow that within the Temple was found the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies, and their various furnishings. The Temple, in fact, had a third part, that being the courtyard. That, of course, was divided into several parts, the outer court, the court of the women, the court of the gentiles, etc.
We now, being the Temple, have within ourselves three corresponding parts, the courtyard of our physical bodies, the Holy Place of our soul, and the Holy of Holies of our spirit, where God is enthroned.
Do you see the implications of this? Our service toward God today must be an inwardly, for that is where He dwells. All of our inward service takes place within ourselves.
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. [I]John 4:20-24

In once sense, the shadow fails us a bit here, because there, only the High Priest was allowed within the Holy of Holies, and that once a year. But we know that the veil has been rent, and access to that hidden and most holy chamber is now available to all who would sanctify themselves and enter in. But the existence of the veil, and what it prevents, I see as speaking something else.
In the shadow, the veil separates that chamber from the rest of the Temple. In the New Testament, we know that the veil speaks of the flesh of Christ, His body torn, allowing free access.
In us, I think, it also represents the flesh. It is our flesh that prevents us entry. Only when that flesh is torn, when we die to self, can we truly enter into His presence. Inwardly, we must get past our flesh to be able to worship, and hear, and see.
As we go through these, I would encourage you to read each of these scripture references in context, because in so doing, you will see many other ‘nuggets’ of practical application and understanding of our position as priests.

Our Place of Service
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4
Our place of service is ‘before Him’.
And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD: 1 Chronicles 23:31

Before the High Priest
That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. Luke 1:74-75
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

Our service is done in the sight of Christ our High Priest.
…and the shadow:
And after that went the Levites in to do their service in the tabernacle of the congregation before Aaron, and before his sons: as the LORD had commanded Moses concerning the Levites, so did they unto them. Numbers 8:22
And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father. Numbers 3:4

Our Service With Him
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20

We are not left alone to work, but He works with us, and indeed, IN us. And in the shadow, as well, we find the High Priest working with them:
And, behold, the courses of the priests and the Levites, [even they shall be with thee] for all the service of the house of God: and [there shall be] with thee for all manner of workmanship every willing skilful man, for any manner of service: also the princes and all the people [will be] wholly at thy commandment. 1 Chronicles 28:21

Our Service In The Sanctuary
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; Hebrews 10:19-20

They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge. Ezekiel 44:16



That's it for today. My plan is to next show our 'Place of Dwelling', followed by a short explanation of our service as it applies outwardly.
Then, we'll take a look at what that service actually looks like. In this part I will also be using Alfred Edersheim's The Temple - Its Ministry and Service as reverence, and a bit of Talmidim's work here as well.

Kahtar
Aug 17th 2007, 04:53 PM
This section will look at the place of our work as it relates outwardly.
As the Israelites traveled through the wilderness, each family of the tribe of Levi carried their own portion of the tabernacle as they followed the pillar of cloud and fire. Numbers Chapter 4 explains the duty of each family. They understood that the wilderness was not their abode, but that they were passing through it, on their way to the Promised Land.
Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 1 Peter 2:11
We also are called to carry the Word and the Kingdom through this wilderness, as strangers and pilgrims, taking it to the ends of the earth, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, and we also understand that this is not our abode, but that we are passing through, on our way to our Promised Land.
Notice also that as they journeyed through the wilderness, that they only moved when the cloud moved. As long as it remained, so did they. This speaks volumes to us today, or should. As we make our journey through this wilderness, we also should move when the Spirit directs, but not before, and we should only go where the Spirit directs us to go.

When the Israelites passed over the Jordan, they are still bearing the ark, and once in the land, they are faced with many battles: Joshua 3,4,6
It is interesting to note that the Israelites passed through the waters WITH Joshua. And that the ark of the testimony went in first.
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Canaan pictures for us resurrection ground, and it is there that we are faced with battles:
Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:[B] Ephesians 1:3
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Ephesians 6:12

Frances
Aug 17th 2007, 05:18 PM
Interesting study - thank you.

Brother Mark
Aug 18th 2007, 02:22 PM
The field is the world, and God is hewing each of us in the field, and molding us in the clay, and afterward shall build His house.

Excellent post. This reminds me of when Israel came out of Egypt, God told them to build an altar. But he also told them they were not to use their tools on the stones lest they defile the altar.

Interesting... it is God that does the hewing not us. We defile others when we try to mold them into being what we think they should be. It is a sign of bondage when we try to make "bricks" as we did when we were in Egypt.

Studyin'2Show
Aug 18th 2007, 10:48 PM
Excellent post. This reminds me of when Israel came out of Egypt, God told them to build an altar. But he also told them they were not to use their tools on the stones lest they defile the altar.

Interesting... it is God that does the hewing not us. We defile others when we try to mold them into being what we think they should be. It is a sign of bondage when wet try to make "bricks" as we did when we were in Egypt.This is why it is important that as we lead new believers to Messiah, that we don't lead them to be Baptist, or Methodists, or Catholics or anything else that is about fitting into a particular mold (like the molds that made the bricks in Egypt). We must lead them to the Word of God and let him hew them and us. ;) I truly believe that if believers would get into the Word of God and read it all, not just bits and pieces here and there, it is the Word that will be able to do a work in us. Unfortunately, only a small percentage actually read it. :cry: Thank you, crowned one, :D for an excellent study!

God Bless!

Kahtar
Aug 18th 2007, 10:50 PM
Thank you, crowned one, :D for an excellent study!:lol: I knew I'd regret telling that!
You are most welcome, however.;)

Kahtar
Aug 22nd 2007, 12:52 PM
In the wilderness, the Levites were assigned to the area immediately surrounding the Tabernacle, while the rest of Israel was camped, according to their tribes in the four directions extending outward from the Tabernacle.
After the tribes came into the land, and the land was divided amoung them, 48 cities were given by the tribes to the Levites, and their time was then spent either in one of those cities, or, during the time their course was on duty at the Temple, in Jerusalem. Six of those 48 cities were to be cities of refuge.
And among the cities which ye shall give unto the Levites [there shall be] six cities for refuge, which ye shall appoint for the manslayer, that he may flee thither: and to them ye shall add forty and two cities. [So] all the cities which ye shall give to the Levites [shall be] forty and eight cities: them [shall ye give] with their suburbs. Numbers 35:6-7

I find the number of these cities intriguing. There were twelve tribes of Israel, each one tied by prophecy to the twelve constellations, the most obvious being Judah to Leo.
Each tribe would have provided 4 cities. In the constellations, each one has 3 ‘decans’, totaling 4 for each tribe, or 48 in all.
The six cities of refuge are interesting. In looking at the meaning of their names, keeping in mind the ‘refuge’ concept and how it relates to Christ our Refuge, we have the following:

Kedesh - Holy H6943קדש ׁ qedesh keh'-desh From H6942; a sanctum; H6942 קדשׁ qâdash kaw-dash' A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): - appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied one, self), X wholly.
Christ the Holy One.
Shechem - Shoulder -H7927 שׁכם shekem shek-em' The same as H7926; ridge; H7926 שׁכם shekem shek-em' From H7925; the neck (between the shoulders) as the place of burdens; figuratively the spur of a hill: - back, X consent, portion, shoulder.
Christ bears our burdens.
Hebron - Fellowship - H2275 חברון chebrôn kheb-rone' From H2267; seat of association; H2267 חבר cheber kheh'-ber From H2266; a society; also a spell: - + charmer (-ing), company, enchantment, X wide.
We draw near to Christ in fellowship.
Bezer - Stronghold, Rock - H1221 בּצר betser beh'-tser The same as H1220; an inaccessible spot - H1220 בּצ betser beh'-tser From H1219; strictly a clipping, that is, gold (as dug out): - gold defence. H1219 בּצר bâtsar baw-tsar' A primitive root; to clip off; specifically (as denominative from H1210) to gather grapes; also to be isolated (that is, inaccessible by height or fortification): - cut off, (de-) fenced, fortify, (grape) gather (-er), mighty things, restrain, strong, wall (up), withhold.
Christ is our ‘Fortification’ our Rock and our Fortress, our hidden and safe place of refuge.
Ramoth - Exaltation - H7216 ראמת ראמות râ'môth râ'môth raw-moth', raw-moth' Plural of H7215; heights; H7215 ראמה râ'mâh raw-maw' From H7213; something high in value, that is, perhaps coral: - coral. H7213 ראם râ'am raw-am' A primitive root; to rise: -be lifted up.
Christ our Prince and Saviour Whom God has exalted and lifted up.
Golan - (A.Habershon says ‘Joy’, presumably because of H1523 גּוּל גּיל gîyl gûl gheel, gool, which is translated joy. But Strongs does not give it as a root for golan, nor is the word joy in the OT translated from golan) - H1474 גּולן gôlân go-lawn' From H1473; captiveH1473 גּלה גּולה gôlâh gôlâh go-law', go-law' Active participle feminine of H1540; exile; concretely and collectively, exiles: - (carried away), captive (-ity), removing. H1540 גּלה gâlâh gaw-law' a primitive root; to denude (especially in a disgraceful sense); by implication to exile (captives being usually stripped); figuratively to reveal: - + advertise, appear, bewray, bring, (carry, lead, go) captive (into captivity), depart, disclose, discover, exile, be gone, open, X plainly, publish, remove, reveal, X shamelessly, shew, X surely, tell, uncover.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Ephesians 4:8
Christ is He who revealed the truth, made it plain.
The Spirit of the Lord upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [I]Luke 4:18

So the dwelling places of the priests were scattered throughout the land.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. Philippians 2:14-16
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Revelation 5:9
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:20
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:4

These chief fathers of the Levites [were] chief throughout their generations; these dwelt at Jerusalem. 1 Chronicles 9:34

The chief priests dwelt at Jerusalem. I suspect that of these there were 24, who were representatives of each of the 24 courses, and pictured in Revelation.
But the priests who were scattered through the 48 cities had to leave their homes in order to come up and take their turn in the service of the sanctuary.
We also are called to come before Him, turning our backs upon the world, gathering together in His name.

It is interesting that the Levites did not have an inheritance in the land.
Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him. [I]Deuteronomy 10:9
And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. Numbers 18:20
And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I [am] their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I [am] their possession. Ezekiel 44:28

And what does the scripture say of us today?
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Hebrews 13:14
As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and [yet] possessing all things. 2 Corinthians 6:10
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. Acts 4:32
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: Matthew 6:19-20

This is not to say that we must be poor and destitute here. But whatever we do have, the Lord has given us, and ultimately belongs to the Kingdom of God.
But God has not left them, or us, empty. Rather, our inheritance is found, not in the land, but in the Lord.

And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. Numbers 18:20-21
And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I [am] their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I [am] their possession. Ezekiel 44:28

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:16-17
Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an[B] inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 1 Peter 1:3-4

Kahtar
Aug 22nd 2007, 05:16 PM
We are God’s possession. In the shadow, we see that the entire tribe of Levi was set apart from the rest, chosen by God, just as He had chosen the firstborn male. They belonged to Him.

And thou shalt set the Levites before Aaron, and before his sons, and offer them [for] an offering unto the LORD. Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine. And after that shall the Levites go in to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation: and thou shalt cleanse them, and offer them [for] an offering. For they [are] wholly given unto me from among the children of Israel; instead of such as open every womb, [even instead of] the firstborn of all the children of Israel, have I taken them unto me. Numbers 8:13-16
And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine; Numbers 3:12

And so in the New Testament we find that we also have been chosen, set apart, taken out from among the Gentiles, and now belong to God, and that instead of belonging to our self.
We are set apart to perform a particular function in the earth, to minister to God, and carry about His ‘Ark’ of the testimony, just as the Levis were set apart to minister in the Temple. We are now included in that general assembly of the firstborn.


I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. John 17:9-10
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. Romans 14:8
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. Acts 15:14
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Hebrews 12:23

We are in Covenant with God. God said that His covenant with David, and with the Levites and priests, could NOT be broken.
Notice He says, if YOU can break my covenant of the day and night……If we cannot break those, then we cannot break His covenant with David, or the Levites and priests. (So has His covenant with the Levites and priests been broken? I think not!)
He WILL not break His covenant, and they and we CANNOT. Thus, it remains.
Keep in mind that the Levites were SEPARATED from among the rest of Israel.

Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; [Then] may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. Jeremiah 33:20-21
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him [for] the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. Malachi 2:4-5


Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: [I]Hebrews 6:17-18

So God fulfilled His oath to David, through Christ, and with the Levites, also through Christ. And Christ has become the mediator of a new covenant, and has equated us all with the Levites the priests.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. [I]Hebrews 8:6

We are Chosen by God. With the Levites, there is no indication whatever that the Levites merited this Divine choice. They neither earned it nor deserved it. It was simply God’s own choosing.
And He had purpose in choosing them. It was not simply to treat them with extra favor over their brothers.
They were chosen to minister to God and serve Him, and to bear His ark of the testimony, and to bless His Name.
By way of rabbit trail, notice also that by their word shall every controversy and stroke be tried. This puts me in mind of another verse:

Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 18:18


For the LORD thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for ever. Deuteronomy 18:5
And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be [tried]: Deuteronomy 21:5
Then David said, None ought to carry the ark of God but the Levites: for them hath the LORD chosen to carry the ark of God, and to minister unto him for ever. 1 Chronicles 15:2
My sons, be not now negligent: for the LORD hath chosen you to stand before him, to serve him, and that ye should minister unto him, and burn incense. 2 Chronicles 29:11
And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because his mercy [endureth] for ever; 1 Chronicles 16:41

As we know already, we also have been chosen by Him. And neither was that chosing because of anything we have done, or earned.
And again, He did not choose us simply to show us favor over our brethren, but we have been chosen to ‘show forth the praises of Him who has called you’.
Paul was chosen to ‘bear My name before the Gentiles’ remarkably similar to those chosen to bear the ark of the testimony.
We are called to be holy, and blameless……….think on that one. And, we are called by name, just as those Levites were called by name.


If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. John 15:19
But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: Acts 9:15
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4
And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth [unto him] whom he would: and they came unto him. And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, Mark 3:13-14
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. John 10:3

Brother Mark
Aug 22nd 2007, 06:15 PM
Numbers 8:22
And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father. Numbers 3:4

That is an interesting verse. What do you think it meant to offer "strange fire"?

Kahtar
Aug 22nd 2007, 06:25 PM
The story is found in Leviticus 10. These two guys took it upon themselves to go in and burn incense. Had they done it properly, there would not have been a problem. But they did not follow God's instruction, and did it their own way. Thus, God consumed them in fire.
There is only one way to approach God, and that is in the way HE commands. If we try any other way than the way He said to do it, we are in rebellion, and in danger of consuming fire.
No man cometh to the Father but by Me, saith the Lord.
Others may have more insight.:)

Brother Mark
Aug 22nd 2007, 06:33 PM
Thanks Kahtar. I may ask around. I have heard something on it before but I can't remember. I just read the account again. Moses said that God would be treated as holy. Hmm. That's the same thing God told Moses when he would not let him enter. This thing about treating God as holy keeps coming up for me.

Kahtar
Aug 22nd 2007, 10:32 PM
I have to say, at this point in my study, that I had no idea what I was getting myself in for here.:lol: There is such a huge amount of material just in what I am focusing on, and as I go through it, I know I am only scratching the surface.
It is hard sometimes, when there is so much information, to keep in focus the main purpose. It's hard to remember the forest when you are examining a tree trunk with a magnifying lense.
I am estimating that it will take from now to the end of the year for me to present this to my class at church. I hope they're up to the challenge and don't grow weary of learning.
The main point, of course, is to gain greater understanding of our position and calling in Christ, and how to appy the knowledge received to our lives.
Okay, I got my wind back. Now I'll continue.............:lol:

Studyin'2Show
Aug 23rd 2007, 08:05 PM
Excellent study, Kahtar! I've been catching up while answering customer service calls all day. I may have to borrow some of this for Sunday. :D When I was looking at your comment Mark about the 'strange fire' it made me think of how important it is to do things the way God intends them to be done, even when we think we have a good way of doing things. Reading the scripture here it doesn't say that they were offering it to another god or with bad intentions. Just not the way God had told them to. :hmm:

God Bless!

Kahtar
Aug 24th 2007, 04:06 PM
Reading the scripture here it doesn't say that they were offering it to another god or with bad intentions. Just not the way God had told them to. :hmm:
God Bless!This is a good point. I suspect that the strange fire speaks of doing things OUR way instead of God's. The fire they offered was about THEM offering fire, and not about ministering to God in His way and timing.
It is so precariously easy to get caught up in OUR ministering and doing things for the Lord, when all the while it's not about us at all.
(The Lord and I had a little discussion about this very thing this morning.:rolleyes:)

Brother Mark
Aug 24th 2007, 04:10 PM
My pastor mentioned that they had an "unction" to offer the fire. He asked me "what does fire often represent". To me, I thought of the Holy Spirit because they are often found together. He went on to say "we offer to God things that God does not like". For instance, God likes vanilla and we offer him chocolate. How does he respond? We have to learn what God likes and offer him that. He was telling me that we need to be careful to only offer back to God a ministry that is an unction from Him and not ourselves. Interesting...

That is exactly what you two (Kahtar and S2s) are saying. Strange fire... offering to God that which was not commanded to be offered.

Kahtar
Aug 24th 2007, 04:54 PM
We are Near to God. Moses, at the direction of God, brought the tribe of Levi to Aaron, the High Priest, and presented them to him. Their access to God was through Aaron, the High Priest.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Bring the tribe of Levi near, and present them before Aaron the priest, that they may minister unto him. Numbers 3:5-6
And he hath brought thee near [to him], and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also? Numbers 16:10

We also are brought near to our High Priest. And our access to the Father is through Christ.

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:18

We are of the Family of God. Aaron was the High Priest. He was of the tribe of Levi. His brothers of the same tribe were joined to him, to minister to him. And he and his sons ministered before the tabernacle. Notice it says tabernacle of witness.

And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee [shall minister] before the tabernacle of witness. Numbers 18:2

Christ calls us ‘brothers’, and we are joined together with Him, to minister to Him. As sons of God, we are to minister before the ‘tabernacle of witness’. What is this? Our bodies are the ‘tabernacle’, and our very lives are a witness to those around us.

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Hebrews 2:11
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:17
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Ephesians 5:30

We are a Gift to Christ. The Levites were a gift, given by God, to Aaron. A gift with a purpose, to do service in the tabernacle, to make atonement for all of Israel, so that all of Israel may come close to God.

And I have taken the Levites for all the firstborn of the children of Israel. And I have given the Levites [as] a gift to Aaron and to his sons from among the children of Israel, to do the service of the children of Israel in the tabernacle of the congregation, and to make an atonement for the children of Israel: that there be no plague among the children of Israel, when the children of Israel come nigh unto the sanctuary. Numbers 8:18-19
And I, behold, I have taken your brethren the Levites from among the children of Israel: to you [they are] given [as] a gift for the LORD, to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. Numbers 18:6

We also are a gift to Christ, given to Him by God. What an awesome thought! We are a thing desired and received by Christ, to minister and to be a blessing to Him. We should spend a great deal of time contemplating this truth! How we view ourselves is SO different than how He views us! We are to Him as precious jewels, a gift worth posessing, a thing worth having and cherishing!

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:6
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:12
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. John 17:24

We are Presented to Christ and by Christ. As a gift, the Levites are presented to Aaron, again to minister to him.

Bring the tribe of Levi near, and present them before Aaron the priest, that they may minister unto him. Numbers 3:6

We also are presented to Christ. What does He call us? A GLORIOUS church, without spot or wrinkle. Holy.

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:27

And what does Aaron do with these who are given to him? He in turn presents them to the Lord, so that they may serve Him.

And Aaron shall offer the Levites before the LORD [for] an offering of the children of Israel, that they may execute the service of the LORD. Numbers 8:11
And the Levites were purified, and they washed their clothes; and Aaron offered them [as] an offering before the LORD; and Aaron made an atonement for them to cleanse them. Numbers 8:21

As with Aaron, so with Christ. He in turn presents us to God, faultless, and does so with great joy!

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:16
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:24

These things are worth meditating an entire day on, or more! The extent of His love and DESIRE for us is beyond comprehension.

Brother Mark
Aug 25th 2007, 11:45 PM
We are Near to God. Moses, at the direction of God, brought the tribe of Levi to Aaron, the High Priest, and presented them to him. Their access to God was through Aaron, the High Priest.

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As with Aaron, so with Christ. He in turn presents us to God, faultless, and does so with great joy!

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:16
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:24

These things are worth meditating an entire day on, or more! The extent of His love and DESIRE for us is beyond comprehension.

My two favorite parts of this post. The first and last. Excellent series Kahtar. You go faster than I can digest.

Kahtar
Aug 26th 2007, 03:07 AM
My two favorite parts of this post. The first and last. Excellent series Kahtar. You go faster than I can digest.
Yeah, well, if it's any consolation, I'm going faster than I can digest as well.:lol: Fortunately I get to go through it all again, a little at a time, as I present it to the class at church. I suspect that more things will be brought out during that, and more clarity.

Kahtar
Aug 27th 2007, 11:54 PM
We are to Draw Near to God in Worship. In the tabernacle of course, the priests were not able to enter into the Holy of Holies, but were represented by the High Priest, to whom they ministered and served. Their service required that they be washed and clean, but also that they themselves were ‘sprinkled’ with the blood of the lamb.
And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar:[I] Leviticus 9:9
And he slew the burnt offering; and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar. And they presented the burnt offering unto him, with the pieces thereof, and the head: and he burnt [them] upon the altar. Leviticus 9:12-13
Christ our High Priest has first gone in, carrying in the blood, and because of that Blood, we now are able to enter into the Holy of Holies. We cannot enter in without it, and we also are called upon to be washed and clean, to minister before Him in purity and holiness, and where we fail in that, the blood covers. But because of the blood we are ABLE to draw near to God, and worship Him in spirit and truth.
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And [having] an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
We Are With Christ
Our life is With Christ. Not only do we serve Christ, and minister before Him, but we are WITH Him, and we minister together. We are with Him in his death, and with Him in resurrection, we are hidden with Him and in Him, so that WE can no longer be seen, being dead, but it is Christ in us that is seen. There is too much here to speak of in a few words, and one should meditate upon these things, and take them in, and hear the voice of the Spirit speaking into our hearts..
And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, [even] Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons. Exodus 28:1
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Colossians 2:20
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Colossians 3:1-4

We are with Christ in Service. Aaron and his brothers together ministers to the Lord in the Tabernacle. Aaron was the High Priest. Only because Aaron had sanctified his brothers and the Levites, and had carried the blood into the Holy of Holies, were any of them able to enter into the Tabernacle to minister. Without him, and his special service, they were able to do nothing.
And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, [even] Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons. Exodus 28:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:5
In like manner, we are able to do nothing without Christ, Who first went before the Father, took His blood into the Holy of Holies, and sprinkled it on the Mercy Seat, and through that same Blood are we sanctified and able to enter into the presence of God. It is important here, I think, to note that Christ will ever be our High Priest, and without Him we cannot even enter the door. We must not lose sight of His special office as High Priest.
In looking at the shadow, we see that ONLY Aaron could enter the Holy of Holies. Also, as the priests ministered in the Tabernacle, they were in fact before the Lord, but the veil separated them from the direct presence of God.
We know that the veil was a picture, or shadow, of Christ, and that that veil has now been removed. But Christ has NOT been removed, and He is ever before the throne, and it is through Him and by Him that we enter into the presence of God.

We are Brought to God. They are brought to God by Aaron, and with Aaron. They come into His presence together.
And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee [shall minister] before the tabernacle of witness. Numbers 18:2
And it is Christ who brings us to God.
For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Hebrews 2:10
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18
We are Clothed with Him. Aaron and his brothers and tribe were clothed with holy garments, for glory and beauty. These garments speak of righteousness. In them, they were anointed, consecrated, sactified. All of this was required to minister to God.
And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty. Exodus 28:2
And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office. Exodus 28:41
And we see that we also shall be like Christ, and that we will be clothed in white raiment, our holy garments of righteousness. And, as we now minister to God in this life, and to each other, our ministry is dependant upon our being anointed, consecrated, and sanctified, putting on the righteousness of Christ.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5

We are Sanctified with Him.
And I will sanctify the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar: I will sanctify also both Aaron and his sons, to minister to me in the priest's office. Exodus 29:44
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. John 17:19

We are Consecrated with Him.
And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. Exodus 29:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2:9-10
The word consecrate in the first verse, and the word complete in the second have essentially the same meaning.
H4390 מלא מלא mâlê' mâlâ' maw-lay', maw-law' A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
G4137 πληρόω plēroō play-ro'-o From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Kahtar
Aug 28th 2007, 12:47 AM
We are to be Obedient to Him. Not a whole lot needs to be said here. God commanded Aaron and the Levites in how they were to minister to Him. And they obeyed.
So Aaron and his sons did all things which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses. Leviticus 8:36
We also are commanded to keep His commandments, and minister in the way He has commanded.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10
How serious did God take His Word regarding the method of service in the Tabernacle?
And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Leviticus 10:1-2
Now I am not going to tell you that if you mess up, God is going to send fire down and burn you up. On the other hand, all these things, according to Paul, happened to them for our learning.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
And what are we to learn from this thing that happened Nadab and Abihu? Take God seriously, for one thing. Take care to do all that He says to do, and in the way He says to do it, and do not take it upon ourselves to do things our own way.
We hear so much today about our God of Love, and Mercy, and Peace. But there are two sides to every coin. The other side of God is He is holy and righteous, and expects us to be the same. He does not tolerate rebellion. If His children today are rebellious, He will give them a good spanking. The severity of His dealing with us depends on how rebellious and unrepentant we are. But He is not above taking our lives from us in order to save us.
We should take Him very seriously, and walk in the fear of the Lord. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.
We are Resurrected with Him. This is a rather dim shadow, but it nevertheless speaks of new life from the dead. Aaron’s rod was nothing but a dead stick, as were all the others. But it sprang up in new life, with leaves, buds, and fruit. As such, it speaks of Christ raised from the dead, and us along with Him.
And thou shalt write Aaron's name upon the rod of Levi: for one rod [shall be] for the head of the house of their fathers. Numbers 17:3
And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds. Numbers 17:8
But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15:20
And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 1 Corinthians 6:14
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11

talmidim
Aug 28th 2007, 02:24 AM
Munch chew chew munch munch... Whew! Munch chew chew munch munch munch chew chew munch munch... Gulp gulp gulp... Munch chew chew munch munch... Burp! Munch chew chew munch munch...

Studyin'2Show
Aug 28th 2007, 02:27 AM
Munch chew chew munch munch... Whew! Munch chew chew munch munch munch chew chew munch munch... Gulp gulp gulp... Munch chew chew munch munch... Burp! Munch chew chew munch munch...Although humorous, that was a tad disgusting! :eek: :lol:

Kahtar
Aug 28th 2007, 03:31 AM
You realize, I imagine, that I am eating this same meal along with you.....:lol:
I hope you are enjoying it as much as I am.:)

talmidim
Aug 28th 2007, 04:39 AM
Although humorous, that was a tad disgusting! :eek: :lol:Not bad manners, just good MEAT! *burp* :D

Brother Mark
Aug 28th 2007, 01:58 PM
Gluttons. :lol::lol::lol:

talmidim
Aug 29th 2007, 10:54 AM
Kahtar, I was reading this through again and I had always wondered why the priests (us) wear linen and no wool when we serve before the Altar. Then it hit me. He wears the wool.

*forehead slap*
DUH!

Kahtar
Aug 29th 2007, 12:24 PM
:hmm: That's interesting. Any idea what the significance of that is?

talmidim
Aug 29th 2007, 12:41 PM
:hmm: That's interesting. Any idea what the significance of that is?Well, we have to put on white linen as an outward show of purity that we may minister to Him. He on the other hand, "puts on the wool" as He is the Lamb of sacrifice. More types and shadows concerning our service and His sacrifice.

Brother Mark
Aug 29th 2007, 12:47 PM
Well, we have to put on white linen as an outward show of purity that we may minister to Him. He on the other hand, "puts on the wool" as He is the Lamb of sacrifice. More types and shadows concerning our service and His sacrifice.

Very good! Here's another thought...

Sheep grow wool naturally. Wool is also hot. God wants nothing that comes from our flesh. If we wear wool in service to him, it is fleshly and it makes us sweat. We would stink before him. The only flesh God likes is the burning kind. :lol:

So when we offer service to the Lord, we are to cease from our own works (wool) and put on our "coat of righteousness" represented here by linen.

Kahtar
Aug 29th 2007, 12:56 PM
(Slaps forehead and heads for the coffee pot while verbalizing the singsong syllable 'DUuUH'!)

talmidim
Aug 29th 2007, 01:32 PM
(Slaps forehead and heads for the coffee pot while verbalizing the singsong syllable 'DUuUH'!)You a sheepherder by trade? :rofl:

Kahtar
Aug 29th 2007, 01:45 PM
You a sheepherder by trade? :rofl::D Yes, of sorts. My sheep don't just wear wool, tho. They eat mutton.:lol: And they do say 'bah'. Navajo word, ya know.

Brother Mark
Aug 29th 2007, 02:00 PM
Never forget... sheep bite! :eek:

Brother Mark
Sep 1st 2007, 09:05 PM
Kahtar, I was reading today and trying to understand something about food when the Lord showed me something interesting.

1 Cor 10:15-16
16 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?
NASB

Paul was writing this in context of eating things offered as a sacrifice.

1 Cor 10:17-18
17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18 Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar?
NASB

Vs 18 refers to how the priest were allowed to eat that which was sacrificed.

Now, if we take this idea back to the Lord's supper when he ate with the twelve, then we begin to understand he was crowning them priest at that moment. He was about to be the sacrifice and told them to eat that which was being sacrificed. That was something that the priest were supposed to do.

Perhaps Peter recognized this afterwards and wrote in 1 Peter that we are a royal priesthood. :hmm: Especially since the priest ate the unleavened sacrifice.

Lev 10:12-15

12 Then Moses spoke to Aaron, and to his surviving sons, Eleazar and Ithamar, "Take the grain offering that is left over from the LORD'S offerings by fire and eat it unleavened beside the altar, for it is most holy. 13 You shall eat it, moreover, in a holy place, because it is your due and your sons' due out of the LORD'S offerings by fire; for thus I have been commanded. 14 The breast of the wave offering, however, and the thigh of the offering you may eat in a clean place, you and your sons and your daughters with you; for they have been given as your due and your sons' due out of the sacrifices of the peace offerings of the sons of Israel. 15 The thigh offered by lifting up and the breast offered by waving, they shall bring along with the offerings by fire of the portions of fat, to present as a wave offering before the LORD; so it shall be a thing perpetually due you and your sons with you, just as the LORD has commanded."
NASB

Kahtar
Sep 1st 2007, 10:44 PM
Okay Mark, you're getting a few pages ahead of me.:lol: That's a nice little addition to include. I'll be putting together some stuff on the various sacrifices and offerings....eventually.
I was trying to work on the study today, but can't seem to keep my eyes open long enough. It has truly been a day of rest for me.:)

Brother Mark
Sep 2nd 2007, 01:03 AM
Sorry to wake you. :lol: But my teacher was teaching today. :rofl:

Ah, my brother, it is good to have a day of rest. :bounce:

One more thing...

My friend and I that are studying kingdom together, we discussing this today. He led me back to Israel's original call to be a kingdom of priest.

Ex 19:5-6
5'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation .' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel. "
NASB

They lost it. But Jesus restored what was lost. Now we can all enter and minister to the Lord instead of having a priest set apart from the people.

Now my friend says they lost the nation of priest unto Him status when they were afraid to approach God at mount Sinai. When you get going again, I will be interested to know your thoughts.

The main thing is, that while Israel lost the calling for each of them to be priest unto the Lord, we have had it restored unto us by Jesus.

Studyin'2Show
Sep 3rd 2007, 12:54 PM
I think your friend definitely has something there Mark. I always felt their choice NOT to hear directly from Him at Sinai was crucial. It was after the incident that the Aaronic priesthood was established. Interesting indeed.

Baruch HaShem Adonai (Blessed be the Name of the LORD)!

Brother Mark
Sep 3rd 2007, 01:05 PM
I think your friend definitely has something there Mark. I always felt their choice NOT to hear directly from Him at Sinai was crucial. It was after the incident that the Aaronic priesthood was established. Interesting indeed.

Baruch HaShem Adonai (Blessed be the Name of the LORD)!

Perhaps you are right S2S. I remember you speaking of this before. I wonder if that (Sinai) is when they lost the privilege to be priest unto him? They could have all had direct contact with God. And any that entered into the nation (i.e. Ruth and Rahab) also could have enjoyed this priestly calling. I see their calling as priest unto the Lord more than I see it as a priest between the Lord and man.

Anyway, what is encouraging is that Jesus restored to us, that which was lost by them.

Kahtar
Sep 4th 2007, 01:28 AM
Perhaps you are right S2S. I remember you speaking of this before. I wonder if that (Sinai) is when they lost the privilege to be priest unto him? They could have all had direct contact with God. And any that entered into the nation (i.e. Ruth and Rahab) also could have enjoyed this priestly calling. I see their calling as priest unto the Lord more than I see it as a priest between the Lord and man.

Anyway, what is encouraging is that Jesus restored to us, that which was lost by them.This is the thing that makes me think that there was a difference between God's covenant with Aaron and the Levites and priests, and that of Israel as a whole.
For instance, Jeremiah says,
Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; [Then] may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. Jeremiah 33:20-21
The covenant of the day and of the night cannot be broken by man, and WILL not be broken by God, and he compares this to the covenant with David AND the priests and Levites.
So, from this we understand that that covenant remains. How could it not?
Yet, the covenant with Israel was broken, by Israel, and did come to an end.

Kahtar
Sep 4th 2007, 01:29 AM
As ever, the priesthood is our example, confirmed in the New Testament. Our characteristics as priests and by which we are to serve and minister to God and to our neighbor are clearly laid out, in both the shadow of the Levitical priesthood and the admonition of Christ and the Apostles.

Life and Peace and the fear of the Lord
When we are in covenant with Christ, He gives us life and peace. Our fear, or respect, is rewarded with peace in our hearts and minds.
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him [for] the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. Malachi 2:4-5

For to be carnally minded death; but to be spiritually minded life and peace. [I]Romans 8:6
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God a consuming fire. [I]Hebrews 12:28-29
Truth and Purity of Speech
We are to carefully guard our tongues, and insure that what comes from them is pure, and truth.
The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. Malachi 2:6

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ: Ephesians 4:15
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Peter 2:1-2
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Luke 6:45

Knowledge
The priest should ‘keep’ knowledge, possess it, learn it, receive it. Those who would seek to understand the law should seek out the priest, for in him is found that knowledge, and he is the messenger of the Lord, in other words, speaking in behalf of the Lord.

For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he the messenger of the LORD of hosts.[I] Malachi 2:7
We are to do the same. Our minds and hearts should be filled with the Word of God, ready to give an answer.
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: Titus 2:1
And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Romans 15:14

Fellowship
Our covenant and our fellowship with God is like that of Levi.

The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. Malachi 2:6
As a kingdom of priests, our fellowship is with the Father, and with Christ our High Priest. But more than that, it is to be a part of our character.
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. [I]1 John 1:3
Holiness
Little explanation is needed for most of these. Only the understanding of them being elements of our character, as opposed to our position.
And to the genealogy of all their little ones, their wives, and their sons, and their daughters, through all the congregation: for in their set office they sanctified themselves in holiness: 2 Chronicles 31:18
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

Uprightness
But the priests were too few, so that they could not flay all the burnt offerings: wherefore their brethren the Levites did help them, till the work was ended, and until the [other] priests had sanctified themselves: for the Levites [were] more upright in heart to sanctify themselves than the priests. 2 Chronicles 29:34
That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Philippians 1:10
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened of sincerity and truth. [I]1 Corinthians 5:8

Wholeheartedness and obedience
Seeking God with the whole heart, and walking in obedience to Him, to the extent that even our own families are secondary to God’s will.
Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: for they have observed thy word, and kept thy covenant. Deuteronomy 33:9
If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:29
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
Strength
All these of the sons of Obededom: they and their sons and their brethren, able men for strength for the service, [were] threescore and two of Obededom. 1 Chronicles 26:8
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinthians 3:6
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Ephesians 6:10
Separation
Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine. Numbers 8:14
[Seemeth it but] a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them? Numbers 16:9
They (Israel) have corrupted themselves, their spot not [the spot] of his children: [they are] a perverse and crooked generation. [B][I]Deuteronomy 32:5
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 2 Corinthians 6:17
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians 2:15

Diversity
And they cast lots, ward against [ward], as well the small as the great, the teacher as the scholar. 1 Chronicles 25:8
But now [are they] many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:….. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 1 Corinthians 12:20-22,27

Kahtar
Sep 9th 2007, 06:42 PM
Aaron the High Priest

Aaron, the high priest, was the only one who could actually enter into the Holy of Holies, once a year. But, he wore upon his breast, his heart, that which represented both the priests and all of Israel.
The priests ministered before the Lord, but the veil separated them from the direct presence of God, but they 'entered in' by proxy through Aaron the High priest.
They were in effect hidden by the veil.
We know now that Christ IS that veil, and that we can 'enter with boldness'.
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And [having] an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
But, the ONLY reason we can 'enter' with boldness, is because our life is hidden in Christ.
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Colossians 3:1-4

Kahtar
Sep 15th 2007, 02:43 PM
When the priests and Levites were chosen, there were a number of things that were incumbant upon them prior to ministering in the Temple. A Levite did not just walk into the Temple on his 20th birthday and start ministering before the Lord. Had he done so, he would have been met with sudden destruction.
In my own life, although I wanted to, and felt that I was ready, to begin ministering and teaching others, there were seemingly Divine walls set up about me that denied my access until God viewed me as being ready. Then doors opened, walls came down, and I was thrust in by Him.
We are of course all called to worship the Lord, and to offer up our prayers before Him, and offer ourselves up to Him.

Birth into the Family

Then David said, None ought to carry the ark of God but the Levites: for them hath the LORD chosen to carry the ark of God, and to minister unto him for ever. 1 Chronicles 15:2

Not just anyone could be a priest. He must be born into the family and tribe of Levi.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:8

We also must be born into the family. Born of the Spirit, and grafted into the Vine.

Atonement

Atonement must be made for them.

And the Levites were purified, and they washed their clothes; and Aaron offered them [as] an offering before the LORD; and Aaron made an atonement for them to cleanse them. Numbers 8:21

And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Romans 5:11


Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

Identification with the Sacrifices

Our identification with the sacrifice is an important concept. Our laying our hands upon the sacrifice to transfer our sins is an ongoing process. Daily the priests did this, and so should we.

And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering, unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the Levites. Numbers 8:12

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9:24-28

Cleansing

Being clean and spotless before the Lord was a requirement in the temple. What does this say of us, who are now the temple? Notice also that it was Aaron that did that cleansing. It is Christ who does the cleansing in us. We are not able to clean ourselves. What a concept, ey?

Take the Levites from among the children of Israel, and cleanse them. And thus shalt thou do unto them, to cleanse them: Sprinkle water of purifying upon them, and let them shave all their flesh, and let them wash their clothes, and [so] make themselves clean. Numbers 8:6-7

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22

Purifying

Our High Priest purifies us, and offers us as an offering to our Father. Notice that the effect this has on us is making us that 'peculiar' (set apart) people, and also zealous of good works. Think on that one a while.

And the Levites were purified, and they washed their clothes; and Aaron offered them [as] an offering before the LORD; and Aaron made an atonement for them to cleanse them. Numbers 8:21

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Titus 2:14

Purging

This one speaks volumes!

And he shall sit [as] a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Malachi 3:3

Oh the purging! By fire! Many of us have felt those flames. And it is not a pleasant experience. But what is the outcome? We learn what God views as righteousness, His view of ‘good works’.

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21

We can accept that purging, and become a vessel of honor, or we can stubbornly remain where we are, and see our works burnt up in judgment. Our purging prepares us for the Master’s use (as opposed to our own use).

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 1:7

Brother Mark
Sep 15th 2007, 03:32 PM
Your note on purging and God preventing us from going into ministry reminded me of something my pastor said to me years ago.

"A wise man knows the calling of God and the timing". He went on to point out Moses knew the calling and tried to set Israel free in his own power early. It ended in death of a man. But when he went through the purging process, 40 years later he lead Israel to freedom and God destroyed not 1 man, but Pharaoh and all his army. Invariably, when we move out in ministry too soon, we kill others. But when we move out in the power of God, and at the right time, we set others free. What's interesting, is the people's attitude didn't really change that much with Moses from his first efforts to his last. But Moses changed enough that it didn't run him off from ministering to them later.

Thanks for the continued study Kahtar. I am really enjoying this one.

Kahtar
Sep 15th 2007, 07:55 PM
Public Confession
These fairly well speak for themselves.
Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who on the LORD'S side? [let him come] unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. [I]Exodus 32:26
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. Luke 11:23
Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. Hebrews 13:13
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. Luke 12:8-9

Washing
Here is an interesting point. Who is it that brings Aaron and his sons to the door to be washed? Moses.
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water. Exodus 29:4
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11
And what is this washing? What is the water? The Word! Does not Moses represent the Word, the Torah?
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ephesians 5:25-26

I am continually amazed how nearly every point of Aaron and the Levites find their ‘mirror image’ in the New Testament. It draws the two so closely together, that it tends to remove that ‘wall of separation’ between the two. And is that ‘wall of separation’ not the veil itself? The more closely we examine it, the more that veil is removed in Christ. It’s interesting, because those who are without Christ cannot see past the veil, and there are so many who are with Christ who ALSO cannot see past the veil, in the other direction.

Washing of Hands and Feet
And he set the laver between the tent of the congregation and the altar, and put water there, to wash [withal]. And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat: When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the LORD commanded Moses. Exodus 40:30-32
Aaron has already washed them and presented them to the Lord. Now all that is necessary is to keep their hands and feet clean.
Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash [his] feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
John 13:10

Clothing
Again, it is Moses who puts the coats upon them. He dresses them to minister before the Lord.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them. And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. Exodus 29:8-9
Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy. Psalms 132:9
I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy. Psalms 132:16
And what is the clothing that we wear today, as we minister? And who is it that dresses us?
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof]. Romans 13:14
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also [do] ye. And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness. Colossians 3:12-14
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Ephesians 6:14
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 1 Thessalonians 5:8
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:27

Anointing
We are anointed for service.
And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office. Exodus 28:41
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, God; [I]2 Corinthians 1:21
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27

Sanctification and Sprinkling
And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office. Exodus 28:41
And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which [was] upon the altar, and sprinkled upon Aaron, [and] upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, [and] his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him. [I]Leviticus 8:30
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. [I]1 Thessalonians 5:23
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Peter 1:2
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Hebrews 12:24
Our sanctification enables us and authorizes us to be ministers in the temple of the Most High. And it is the Blood of Christ, and the ‘oil’ of the Holy Spirit that sanctifies us. What does this say about those churches in which the Blood of Christ is never mentioned? Bloodless churches/bloodless sacrifices. Cain’s veggies.
Ahem. Okay, back on track.

talmidim
Sep 15th 2007, 08:13 PM
These pesky Reputation Police! I keep tryin' and I keep gettin' denied! I wait DAYS! What is wrong with this system?

Great Post Brother!! Three thumbs up!!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Kahtar
Sep 15th 2007, 08:27 PM
Hey, the 3 thumbs work just as well.:lol:

Brother Mark
Sep 15th 2007, 08:28 PM
Kahtar, this is one of the finest studies I have seen on temple worship. I will have to print it out and spend a few years reading through it and meditating on it.

Saved7
Sep 15th 2007, 08:37 PM
I am so glad you decided to do this post. I just happened to be rereading the bible again, and only a week or so ago I stumbled onto the "royal priesthood, peculiar people" comment that is found in the OT as well as the NT. And I was quite pleased to see this, as it stirred something new in me to study. I look forward to finding out more about our priesthood.
Just wanted to thank you for doing this, carry on, I will continue to read.:D

Kahtar
Sep 15th 2007, 08:40 PM
I am so glad you decided to do this post. I just happened to be rereading the bible again, and only a week or so ago I stumbled onto the "royal priesthood, peculiar people" comment that is found in the OT as well as the NT. And I was quite pleased to see this, as it stirred something new in me to study. I look forward to finding out more about our priesthood.
Just wanted to thank you for doing this, carry on, I will continue to read.:DThanks! It has been a real adventure working on it. I'm a little slow lately, so have patience with me.;)

talmidim
Sep 15th 2007, 09:10 PM
Thanks! It has been a real adventure working on it. I'm a little slow lately, so have patience with me.;)You ARE kidding, right? We are all just trying to keep up. It's like Mark said. This is worth years of meditation!

Where is the 'standing ovation' smiley face when you really need it?

Kahtar
Sep 15th 2007, 09:19 PM
:lol: Seriously, I haven't even worked on it in a week. Really all I am doing is skimming the surface, and hopefully it will inspire further study for oneself.
I know I plan to go back and really study it once I have finished my 'skimming', because there is SO MUCH there that I really don't have time to write it all out and investigate properly.

Brother Mark
Sep 15th 2007, 09:24 PM
:lol: Seriously, I haven't even worked on it in a week. Really all I am doing is skimming the surface, and hopefully it will inspire further study for oneself.
I know I plan to go back and really study it once I have finished my 'skimming', because there is SO MUCH there that I really don't have time to write it all out and investigate properly.

This is true. Each point you outline could be a rabbit trail itself (i.e. an entire message). To me, this represents well the paradox of the kingdom. As we study the kingdom, we find rabbit trails that run in every direction. Yet, all of them are leading us along the straight and narrow path.

I was half kidding when I said a year. But in all honesty, if we too each point you outlined and studied it for an hour a day, it could take a year and who knows what else we would uncover in the process!

1 Cor 2:12-13
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
NASB

Kahtar
Oct 6th 2007, 04:29 PM
Dedication
In our preparation for service, we must be dedicated. Our ears should be dedicated to the hearing of the Word, our hands dedicated to the workk of the service, our feet dedicated to walk circumspectly and blameless before the Lord.
Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about. [I]Exodus 29:20

We are to be so dedicated, that we are a living sacrifice. Our own wills, desires, abilities, wisdom, etc. set aside.We are not our own master. We BELONG to God, to be used by Him according to His purposes.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. Romans 12:1
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20


Readiness for Service
Once we are made ready for service, we then are to begin doing that service, servants of the Most High, doing the will of Him Who bought us. This goes a good bit beyond going to church and blessing others with our ‘Christian smile’ and ‘Christian speak’, warming the pew, dropping a few coins in the basket, etc, and this only on Sundays. We don’t belong to God on Sundays, and Satan the other six days of the week.
Our service happens whereever we are at any given moment, to whomever God puts before us.
And after that went the Levites in to do their service in the tabernacle of the congregation before Aaron, and before his sons: as the LORD had commanded Moses concerning the Levites, so did they unto them. Numbers 8:22
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Romans 6:18



Thus ends, finally, this section. Next we will look at our Priestly Provision.

Kahtar
Oct 6th 2007, 05:14 PM
Our Priestly Provision


Atonement
In the shadow, we find the priests actually eating from the sacrifice of atonement, eating it’s flesh, and the bread.
And thou shalt take the ram of the consecration, and seethe his flesh in the holy place. And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram, and the bread that in the basket, the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate [and] to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat [thereof], because they [are] holy. And if ought of the flesh of the consecrations, or of the bread, remain unto the morning, then thou shalt burn the remainder with fire: it shall not be eaten, because it [is] holy. [I]Exodus 29:31-34

Today, we are still commanded to eat of the sacrifice of atonement. The only thing that has changed, is the sacrifice itself, and how we ‘eat of it’.
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
John 6:53-58

The Meat Offering
The Priests and Levites received their sustenance, their food, by eating those things which were brought as meat offerings by the people. A small part, a memorial, or representative portion of these meat offerings were separated from the whole, and burnt upon the altar. The remainder of it was eaten by the priests, divided equally among them. In this manner, they were ‘partakers of the altar’.
And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven, unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, or unleavened wafers anointed with oil. And if thy oblation a meat offering [baken] in a pan, it shall be [of] fine flour unleavened, mingled with oil. Thou shalt part it in pieces, and pour oil thereon: it [is] a meat offering. And if thy oblation [be] a meat offering [baken] in the fryingpan, it shall be made [of] fine flour with oil.
And thou shalt bring the meat offering that is made of these things unto the LORD: and when it is presented unto the priest, he shall bring it unto the altar. And the priest shall[B] take from the meat offering a memorial thereof, and shall burn [it] upon the altar: an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.[B] And that which is left of the meat offering [shall be] Aaron's and his sons': [it is] a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire. No meat offering, which ye shall bring [I]unto the LORD, shall be made with leaven: for ye shall burn no leaven, nor any honey, in any offering of the LORD made by fire. Leviticus 2:1-11
And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leaven beside the altar: for it most holy: And ye shall eat it in the holy place, because it [is] thy due, and thy sons' due, of the sacrifices of the LORD made by fire: for so I am commanded. L[I]eviticus 10:12-13
And every meat offering, mingled with oil, and dry, shall all the sons of Aaron have, one [as much] as another. [I]Leviticus 7:10

Paul provides us the understanding of this. Our meat is the Word of God, the Word which we live by. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. And we each get an equal portion, and are filled.
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. [I]1 John 1:3
We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. Hebrews 13:10
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. John 1:16

talmidim
Apr 29th 2008, 05:57 PM
Hey Kahtar,

LTNS... And as long as we are on the subject of eating before the alter of sacrifice, here are some of HIS instructions and explanations of what and why...

Deu 12:18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that [is] within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

Exd 40:6 And thou shalt set the altar of the burnt offering before the door of the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

Lev 10:12 And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leaven beside the altar: for it [is] most holy:

Deu 12:27 And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

Exd 29:32 And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram, and the bread that [is] in the basket, the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Lev 8:31 And Moses said unto Aaron and to his sons, Boil the flesh [at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and there eat it with the bread that [is] in the basket of consecrations, as I commanded, saying, Aaron and his sons shall eat it.

And why were they to eat the sacrifices before the Lord?

Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; [B]that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

I do have a question. Of all the places on this BBS, why move THIS study to THIS forum? What is so controversial about it that it should be bound under bias and cast here? :confused Perhaps if several of us ask nicely...

In His Love,
Phillip

Studyin'2Show
May 3rd 2008, 04:57 PM
This has been moved into the Bible Study forum so everyone will be able to access it.

Be Blessed!

Kahtar
May 5th 2008, 07:27 PM
Just now noticed this. Thanks S2S. Does this mean I have to finish it here now?:lol:

Studyin'2Show
May 5th 2008, 07:32 PM
Just now noticed this. Thanks S2S. Does this mean I have to finish it here now?:lol:That may be the case! :D And BTW, thank Phillip! :yes:

Kahtar
Mar 2nd 2009, 03:27 PM
I asked to have this study resurrected because I never finished it on here, and here it is. Over the next few days I'll try to get the remainder of it in here so that it is complete.

Kahtar
Mar 3rd 2009, 08:39 PM
The Peace Offering
Lev 7:34 For the wave breast and the heave shoulder have I taken of the children of Israel from off the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them unto Aaron the priest and unto his sons by a statute for ever from among the children of Israel.
Ephesians 3:17-19 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

The peace offerings were of two kinds, public and private. The two lambs offered every year at Pentecost were public, as well as the final offering of all the sacrifices.
Of the private offerings, there were three types: sacrifices of thanksgiving, of vows, and voluntary. The thanksgiving offerings were rendered for God's provision and mercy. Vows were concluded with an offering. The voluntary sacrifices were the free gift of a loving heart.
These peace offerings were a time of happy fellowship with God, in which He condescended to become Guest at the sacrificial meal, even while always being their Host.


In the Holy Place
[I]Leviticus 24:9 And it shall be Aaron's and his sons'; and they shall eat it in the holy place: for it most holy unto him of the offerings of the LORD made by fire by a perpetual statute.

The priests were to eat the offerings within the holy place in the temple, before the Lord, and WITH the Lord. Later, the right to enter in and come near His table, and minister to Him was limited to the sons of Zadok. The other priests were excluded because of their idolatry.
[I]Ezekiel 44:16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.
As spiritual 'sons of Tzadok', sons of righteousness, we are invited to sit with Him in heavenly places. But that righteousness is exemplified in 1 Corinthians, 10:21. You cannot walk in unrighteousness and expect to dine with the Lord.

Kahtar
Mar 3rd 2009, 11:37 PM
Firstfruits
Numbers 18:11-14 And this thine; the heave offering of their gift, with all the wave offerings of the children of Israel: I have given them unto thee, and to thy sons and to thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: every one that is clean in thy house shall eat of it. All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee. [And] whatsoever is first ripe in the land, which they shall bring unto the LORD, shall be thine; every one that is clean in thine house shall eat [of] it. Every thing devoted in Israel shall be thine.

Notice that the offering of the firstfruits was eaten by the priests, AND by all those in their households who were Levitically 'clean'. The firstfruits were offered to the Lord, raised up to Him, but the priests and their households were to eat it.
1 Corinthians 15:20, 23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

What does this say about our provision today? As we walk in righteousness, holiness, and obedience, God will provide those things we have need of.

Matthew 6:31-34 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day the evil thereof.

Every Dedicated Thing
God provided abundantly for the priests of Israel. Every dedicated thing in Israel belonged to them, for their provision.
[I]Ezekiel 44:29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
[I]Numbers 18:14 Every thing devoted in Israel shall be thine.
Does God do any less for us, who are the spiritual priests in the spiritual Temple, of the spiritual Kingdom?
1 Corinthians 3:21-23 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ God's.

Enough and Plenty Left
Does God just provide us the bare minimum for our survival?
[I]2 Chronicles 31:9-10 Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps. And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since [the people] began to bring the offerings into the house of the LORD, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the LORD hath blessed his people; and that which is left this great store.

[I]Luke 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Those who are His servants have bred enough, and to spare!
Matthew 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.
Notice a couple things here. First, they did not simply receive food for one meal, but each took up a basketful. Plenty to spare.
Second, when did He provide it? The whole 5000 men, plus women and children, were hungry, and the disciples also were hungry. Christ provided food for all, including the disciples, but the people were served first, and afterward, after all had eaten and were satisfied, THEN the disciples took up what was left over. Ministry first, then personal provision in abundance.
Philippians 4:18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things [which were sent] from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Kahtar
Mar 3rd 2009, 11:38 PM
Satisfied
We will be satisfied with the provision of God.
Jeremiah 31:14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and my people shall be satisfied with my goodness, saith the LORD.

John wrote:
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Many people understand this to be a spiritual filling of spiritual food and spiritual drink. And it certainly is that. But, does God provide for our spirits only? Does He forget about our physical beings? No, for we cannot minister effectively if we are starving, or dying of thirst. God provides for our total being, body, soul, and spirit.

A Daily Portion
The priest's portion was provided them on a daily basis.
Nehemiah 11:23 For the king's commandment concerning them, that a certain portion should be for the singers, due for every day.
Ours also is provided daily.
[I]Luke 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward [man] is renewed day by day.
Now does Paul here contradict what I said about God providing for the whole man, body, soul, and spirit? No. But our physical bodies are in a constant state of dying, and will die, and return to the dust. But that fact does not prevent us from ministering, and spiritually, we are and shall be renewed. Each day we are renewed in Christ, in the Holy Spirit, to minister.
Matthew 6:31-34 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.
Again, we are provided for daily. We needn't concern ourselves with tomorrow. But it requires trust, and seeking first, above all else, the things of the kingdom, and what God wants us to do on a daily basis.

Next will be 'Our Appointment of Service'

Kahtar
Mar 6th 2009, 07:31 PM
Our appointment to service in the Kingdom of God is given us, and the work we are to do is clearly laid out according to pattern, and the commandment of the King proclaimed, in the shadow given to and by David the King, and in the now, provided us by Christ our King.
The Pattern Given
1 Chronicles 28:12,13,19 And the pattern of all that he had by the spirit, of the courts of the house of the LORD, and of all the chambers round about, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries of the dedicated things 13) Also for the courses of the priests and the Levites, and for all the work of the service of the house of the LORD, and for all the vessels of service in the house of the LORD. (19) All [this, said David], the LORD made me understand in writing by [his] hand upon me, [even] all the works of this pattern.
Ephesians 4:11-13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ 13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

The Appointment of Aaron
Numbers 4:19 But thus do unto them, that they may live, and not die, when they approach unto the most holy things: Aaron and his sons shall go in, and appoint them every one to his service and to his burden:
Numbers 4:27 At the appointment of Aaron and his sons shall be all the service of the sons of the Gershonites, in all their burdens, and in all their service: and ye shall appoint unto them in charge all their burdens.
1 Chronicles 6:48 Their brethren also the Levites [were] appointed unto all manner of service of the tabernacle of the house of God.
Mark 13:34 [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Galatians 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The Commandment of the King
2 Chronicles 35:10 So the service was prepared, and the priests stood in their place, and the Levites in their courses, according to the king's commandment.
1 Chronicles 25:6 All these [were] under the hands of their father for song [in] the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.
2 Chronicles 8:15 And they departed not from the commandment of the king unto the priests and Levites concerning any matter, or concerning the treasures.
1 Corinthians 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

According to their Order
1 Chronicles 6:32 And they ministered before the dwelling place of the tabernacle of the congregation with singing, until Solomon had built the house of the LORD in Jerusalem: and [then] they waited on their office according to their order.
1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Kahtar
Mar 6th 2009, 07:32 PM
When do we serve our Lord? Briefly, every day, day and night, continually, without departing from it. It would perhaps be better to ask if there is EVER at time that we are NOT to serve, and, simply, the answer is NO.
Our service to our High Priest and King should be the uppermost, and perhaps even the ONLY thing on our minds. In all our business in this life, as a priest of the Most High, our every word and action should be devoted strictly to the Master's will. Anything else is a distraction from our calling.
That seems to be a very narrow and limiting set of parameters, until you realize what all can be included within them, and what things can be (correctly) transformed to fit therein.
But the main thrust of all this is that our lives are not our own, but His, and must be committed to His every 'whim'.
This is a concept not taught and seemingly avoided at all costs within the churches. Absolute surrender and commitment, becoming a servant, setting aside our own personal desires to follow Him, death to self - these things are not the popular subjects taught within the churches today, and do not 'tickle our ears'. It is not a 'feel-good' message, and tends to drive many away, and thus not compatible with the budgets and goals of the churches.
These things SHOULD be taught, and should be spoken of when a person 'gets saved', because it is what the true life in the Kingdom is about, and they are not led in blindly, or upon false pretenses that are bound to fail.

Day and Night
1 Chronicles 9:33 And these [are] the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites, [who remaining] in the chambers [were] free: for they were employed in [that] work day and night.
1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Continually
Jeremiah 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Hebrews 13:15-16 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of [our] lips giving thanks to his name. (16) But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Every Day’s Work
1 Chronicles 16:37 So he left there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD Asaph and his brethren, to minister before the ark continually, as every day's work required:
Acts 2:46-47 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, (47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
No Departing
2 Chronicles 35:15 And the singers the sons of Asaph [were] in their place, according to the commandment of David, and Asaph, and Heman, and Jeduthun the king's seer; and the porters [waited] at every gate; they might not depart from their service; for their brethren the Levites prepared for them.
Matthew 24:46 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Kahtar
Mar 6th 2009, 07:32 PM
As we examine our position today, in this life, as a priest of God, we will find two distinct directions in which our service flows, those being inwardly and outwardly, or more specifically, to God, and to our neighbor. A. Habershon breaks it down into three, in the wilderness, in the land, and in the sanctuary. But the wilderness and the land are both outward, so here we will examine them together. As we study these, keep in mind that our work takes place in both places simultaneously, or from Habershon’s perspective, all three.
So let us first examine our work as it applies to God.

Our Inward Word

As we know from the shadows given us, the primary work of the priests took place within the Temple itself. Paul had some interesting things to speak to us in this regard:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:16

This has some I think important implications for us. We are the Temple today. Our own bodies are the Temple of God. It is within us that God now dwells. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19

And again, all of us collectively make up the Temple as well.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2:18-22

So, each of us is a stone of the Temple. Now it is interesting to look at the shadow here, for when Solomon was building the Temple in Jerusalem, all of the stones were hewn out away from the building site, and brought already prepared and ready to place. Even all of the vessels and instruments were made outside, so that there was not a sound of tools to be heard inside.
And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe [nor] any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building. 1 Kings 6:7

The field is the world, and God is hewing each of us in the field, and molding us in the clay, and afterward shall build His house.

We know from the shadow that within the Temple was found the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies, and their various furnishings. The Temple, in fact, had a third part, that being the courtyard. That, of course, was divided into several parts, the outer court, the court of the women, the court of the gentiles, etc.
We now, being the Temple, have within ourselves three corresponding parts, the courtyard of our physical bodies, the Holy Place of our soul, and the Holy of Holies of our spirit, where God is enthroned.
Do you see the implications of this? Our service toward God today must be an inwardly, for that is where He dwells. All of our inward service takes place within ourselves.
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. [I]John 4:20-24

In once sense, the shadow fails us a bit here, because there, only the High Priest was allowed within the Holy of Holies, and that once a year. But we know that the veil has been rent, and access to that hidden and most holy chamber is now available to all who would sanctify themselves and enter in. But the existence of the veil, and what it prevents, I see as speaking something else.
In the shadow, the veil separates that chamber from the rest of the Temple. In the New Testament, we know that the veil speaks of the flesh of Christ, His body torn, allowing free access.
In us, I think, it also represents the flesh. It is our flesh that prevents us entry. Only when that flesh is torn, when we die to self, can we truly enter into His presence. Inwardly, we must get past our flesh to be able to worship, and hear, and see.
As we go through these, I would encourage you to read each of these scripture references in context, because in so doing, you will see many other ‘nuggets’ of practical application and understanding of our position as priests.
Our Place of Service
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4

Our place of service is ‘before Him’.
And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD: 1 Chronicles 23:31

Before the High Priest
That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. Luke 1:74-75
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

Our service is done in the sight of Christ our High Priest.
…and the shadow:
And after that went the Levites in to do their service in the tabernacle of the congregation before Aaron, and before his sons: as the LORD had commanded Moses concerning the Levites, so did they unto them. Numbers 8:22
And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father. Numbers 3:4

Our Service With Him
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20

We are not left alone to work, but He works with us, and indeed, IN us. And in the shadow, as well, we find the High Priest working with them:
And, behold, the courses of the priests and the Levites, [even they shall be with thee] for all the service of the house of God: and [there shall be] with thee for all manner of workmanship every willing skilful man, for any manner of service: also the princes and all the people [will be] wholly at thy commandment. 1 Chronicles 28:21

Our Service In The Sanctuary
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; Hebrews 10:19-20
They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge. Ezekiel 44:16
Our Outward Work

This section will look at the place of our work as it relates outwardly.
As the Israelites traveled through the wilderness, each family of the tribe of Levi carried their own portion of the tabernacle as they followed the pillar of cloud and fire. Numbers Chapter 4 explains the duty of each family. They understood that the wilderness was not their abode, but that they were passing through it, on their way to the Promised Land.
We also are called to carry the Word and the Kingdom through this wilderness, as strangers and pilgrims, taking it to the ends of the earth, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, and we also understand that this is not our abode, but that we are passing through, on our way to our Promised Land.
Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 1 Peter 2:11

Notice also that as they journeyed through the wilderness, that they only moved when the cloud moved. As long as it remained, so did they. This speaks volumes to us today, or should. As we make our journey through this wilderness, we also should move when the Spirit directs, but not before, and we should only go where the Spirit directs us to go.
When the Israelites passed over the Jordan, they are still bearing the ark, and once in the land, they are faced with many battles: Joshua 3,4,6
It is interesting to note that the Israelites passed through the waters WITH Joshua. And that the ark of the testimony went in first.
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Canaan pictures for us resurrection ground, and it is there that we are faced with battles:
Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:[B] Ephesians 1:3
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Ephesians 6:12

We will look in greater detail at the particular functions we carry out both inwardly and outwardly a little later.

Studyin'2Show
Mar 8th 2009, 08:31 PM
Thanks so much Kahtar for taking the time to continue this study. I look forward to more as you complete it. :)

Sala
Jun 15th 2009, 10:42 PM
Hi Kahtar, I am new to this section of the board and I want to do this study, it is intense and I already have some questions beginning with the "introduction" should I ask you here or send you a pm, don't know if this is your own personal study as I can see with the other posters in the "bible study" forum or if others can join in and ask questions?

Kahtar
Jun 16th 2009, 02:35 PM
Hi Kahtar, I am new to this section of the board and I want to do this study, it is intense and I already have some questions beginning with the "introduction" should I ask you here or send you a pm, don't know if this is your own personal study as I can see with the other posters in the "bible study" forum or if others can join in and ask questions?You can either pm me or post them here.

Sala
Jun 16th 2009, 04:03 PM
You can either pm me or post them here.

I tend to ignore the OT, which is why
I'm glad you posted that verse, that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for instruction in righteousness. Is that what you mean by," we understand Who cast the shadow, but often ignore the shadow?" and what did you mean when you said that in OT times they had a good understanding of the shadow but had difficulty understanding That which cast the shadow?
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I can't tell you how many times I read that verse in 1 Peter that says that we are a royal priesthood and yet I never really understood what that means. I know that is why God led me here.

I will be reading the next post today and let you know if I have questions, thanks!

Kahtar
Jun 17th 2009, 04:56 PM
I tend to ignore the OT, which is why
I'm glad you posted that verse, that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for instruction in righteousness. Is that what you mean by," we understand Who cast the shadow, but often ignore the shadow?" and what did you mean when you said that in OT times they had a good understanding of the shadow but had difficulty understanding That which cast the shadow?
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I can't tell you how many times I read that verse in 1 Peter that says that we are a royal priesthood and yet I never really understood what that means. I know that is why God led me here.

I will be reading the next post today and let you know if I have questions, thanks!The One who casts the shadow of course is Christ, and the shadow is his. Jesus showed the two men on the road to Ammaus all the things concerning Him in the law, the prophets, and ALL the scripture. The law referred to in this verse is the Pentateuch, or books of Moses, Genesis through Deuteronomy. The prophets include all the major and minor prophets, and 'all the scriptures' include everything else.
So from that we can understand that the entire OT pointed to and spoke of Christ. Those things that pertain to Christ in the OT are the 'shadows', things such as the sacrifice of Isaac, the Passover Lamb, etc.
The Jews of course had the OT, and knew it quite well, and they read those shadows, and some understood them, recognizing that they pointed to the coming Messiah.
Yet, without Christ Himself, it was difficult to gain a clear understanding of Him through the shadows alone, and when He came, many did not recognize Him.
Today, we have Christ and His testimony, and that of the Apostles, yet, as Paul says, we 'see through a glass darkly', or in other words, we do not clearly see and understand the things of Christ and His Kingdom, and will not, in fact, until He comes again.
But studying Christ and His work while he was here, and putting that information together with the understanding the shadows provide, we can gain a much clearer picture of Him.
The reason for that is that much of the NT was written by and to Jews, from their understanding and culture of the time, and many things that seem somewhat criptic in the NT become clearer when we add the understanding the shadows provide, along with understanding the times and customs, idioms and culture of that day.
Paul, James, John, Peter, most of these guys understood the temple, it's various services and practices and customs, and alluded to them many times. But we do not have that luxury, so we have to dig it out a bit to understand what they were talking about.
Why go through all the work? Because Paul admonished us to study to show ourselves approved, a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. And again, he wrote that all scripture is profitable for doctrine, correction, and instruction in righteousness.
Edit to add: I'll be adding the remainder of this study as I get the time to do so.

mongoose303
Jun 18th 2009, 01:25 AM
Thanks Kahtar , great work on your study, Ive bin reading thru it but its hard to get it all in one sitting, will have to re-read it more than once to get it all. Im understanding the part about the shadow and the one who cast the shadow, thumbs up there. Its the part about the 24 elders im not completely clear on, you say these are representative of us the redeemed ? I'd hardly consider myself, among others, as an elder, I being a babe in Christ. To me an elder would be one well versed in scripture/the word of God ,well grounded and knowledgable in the things of God. Or do you perhaps mean us as a part of a whole ? I still dont get why there are 24 "elders" , aren't we to be kings and priests onto God ?

Thanks again Kahtar,

God bless.

Sala
Jun 18th 2009, 03:00 AM
I read your post, 'our future' I read it a few times and is it really possible to know exactly what we will be doing in heaven just by studying and understanding the pattern, in the old testament, the shadow!?!?I'm getting excited about this! I believe and agree with what you have posted so far, the Holy Spirit is telling me its true, the part about the fine linen and that we too will rest from our laborand serve the Lord with joy, and how the people of Israel were to dwell in Jerusalem, we too will dwell in the new Jerusalem. I don't know about the singing part, cause I cant carry tune if my life depended on it:D , i sing to the Lord anyway.I guess with my new name, I will get a new voice.

I'm anxious to just read through the whole thread, but I want to go slow so that I won't miss anything. Thanks again Kahtar.

Kahtar
Jun 18th 2009, 03:08 AM
Thanks Kahtar , great work on your study, Ive bin reading thru it but its hard to get it all in one sitting, will have to re-read it more than once to get it all. Im understanding the part about the shadow and the one who cast the shadow, thumbs up there. Its the part about the 24 elders im not completely clear on, you say these are representative of us the redeemed ? I'd hardly consider myself, among others, as an elder, I being a babe in Christ. To me an elder would be one well versed in scripture/the word of God ,well grounded and knowledgable in the things of God. Or do you perhaps mean us as a part of a whole ? I still dont get why there are 24 "elders" , aren't we to be kings and priests onto God ?

Thanks again Kahtar,

God bless.A part of the whole is more accurate, yes. The priesthood was divided into 24 courses. Each course ministered in the temple two weeks of the year, not consecutively, in addition to the 3 feast times. The priests, as they ministered before the Lord, represented the entire nation of Israel. In other words, they stood in the place of the people, in behalf of the people. They offered sacrifice for the people.
It's somewhat similar to how our state representatives represent we the people before congress. Our representatives are our voice, so to speak.
Now it was not necessary for all the people to be well versed and knowledgeable. The priests represented both the learned and unlearned, the elders and the babes.
It was God's intent that the entire nation of Israel be a kingdom of priests.
Exodus 19:5-8 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
While the entire nation was to be a kingdom of priests, they nevertheless had elders who represented them, who were themselves a part of that kingdom. It was the elders that Moses called, and the elders gave answer to Moses for the people.
And so in Revelation, we see these elders, who are among the redeemed (those purchased by the blood of the Lamb) who come before God, representing the entire kingdom of priests, us. The fact that there are 24 of them correlates them to the 24 courses of priests in the shadow, and thus their function.

mongoose303
Jun 18th 2009, 09:37 PM
Thanks kahtar that makes things alot clearer, but then that begs the question as to who the 24 elders could be ? Wow this is getting more interesting, so im thinking maybe the elders could be the Patriarchs of the old testament (shadow?) and the Disciples of the new ? :hmm:

Kahtar
Jun 19th 2009, 12:38 AM
Thanks kahtar that makes things alot clearer, but then that begs the question as to who the 24 elders could be ? Wow this is getting more interesting, so im thinking maybe the elders could be the Patriarchs of the old testament (shadow?) and the Disciples of the new ? :hmm:Hard to say for sure. We can only guess. My best guess would be the 12 apostles and the 12 sons of jacab. Could be wrong of course.

Sala
Jun 19th 2009, 07:43 AM
Hi Kahtar,

I understand the part about the 24 elders, because of your discussion with mongoose. I have some questions though. In revelations it says that we are made kings and priests and we shall reign, with Christ, on the earth. Is there anywhere in the bible that gives us a hint(whether in Revelations or the OT) as to who or what we are to reign over? We know where(earth), but over whom?

Also, do you think Revelation 4:1 a shadow of the rapture ? John writes that he heard a voice, like the sound of a trumpet saying " Come up here"and immediately he was in the spirit and before the throne. Paul writes that the Lord will come with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God and the dead will rise first and we who are alive will be caught up together with them to be with the Lord.

Kahtar
Jun 19th 2009, 05:51 PM
Hi Kahtar,

I understand the part about the 24 elders, because of your discussion with mongoose. I have some questions though. In revelations it says that we are made kings and priests and we shall reign, with Christ, on the earth. Is there anywhere in the bible that gives us a hint(whether in Revelations or the OT) as to who or what we are to reign over? We know where(earth), but over whom?That is a very good question, and one not clearly addressed in Revelation. But the fact that we will rule with Him clearly suggests something to rule over. There are numerous passages in the OT that suggest there will be nations on the earth during the millenial reign, and one could suppose it will be those nations and peoples that we will rule over.


Also, do you think Revelation 4:1 a shadow of the rapture ? John writes that he heard a voice, like the sound of a trumpet saying " Come up here"and immediately he was in the spirit and before the throne. Paul writes that the Lord will come with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God and the dead will rise first and we who are alive will be caught up together with them to be with the Lord.Yes, I do, actually. But that is a subject for another thread. This one can do without that particular bucket of worms.:lol:

Sala
Jun 19th 2009, 08:23 PM
That is a very good question, and one not clearly addressed in Revelation. But the fact that we will rule with Him clearly suggests something to rule over. There are numerous passages in the OT that suggest there will be nations on the earth during the millenial reign, and one could suppose it will be those nations and peoples that we will rule over.
Can you give me some of those passages in the OT, that I can study later? Thanks. I was thinking that there are other life forms on other planets in the universe that maybe God would bring to earth, of coarse there's no scripture to back that up, just my imagination.


Yes, I do, actually. But that is a subject for another thread. This one can do without that particular bucket of worms.:lol:

Yeah you're right, okay!

Kahtar
Jun 19th 2009, 08:58 PM
Can you give me some of those passages in the OT, that I can study later? Thanks. I was thinking that there are other life forms on other planets in the universe that maybe God would bring to earth, of coarse there's no scripture to back that up, just my imagination.Zechariah chapter 14 is a good place to start. Verse 1 sets the time being spoken of, 'the day of the Lord'.

ga082003
Jun 21st 2009, 07:13 PM
dear brother
Is there a way in which you can post the entire study as a document to download? This way I can take a printout and do a study in depth.
Thanks
Godly

Kahtar
Jun 21st 2009, 11:13 PM
dear brother
Is there a way in which you can post the entire study as a document to download? This way I can take a printout and do a study in depth.
Thanks
GodlyActually there is. Might have to wait till you get PM though. I'll check.

Yep. Let me know when you get PM ability and I'll provide an url for you.

ga082003
Jun 22nd 2009, 01:44 AM
Thanks. But I dont know how to get pm rights.
will it be possible to put a link directly to the doc ?

godly

mongoose303
Jun 22nd 2009, 01:45 AM
My best guess would be the 12 apostles and the 12 sons of jacab.

Ive bin doing my own little mini-study on the origin of "24 elders" and came across something in Chronicles 24:4 where the orderings of the priests are mentioned.

....among the sons of Eleazar there were sixteen chief men of the house of their fathers, and eight among the sons of Ithamar according to the house of their fathers.

Im thinking that the "chief men" were eqivalent to "elders" and were to be the 24 represetatives of the Levites in the temple. Although this still doesnt tell us why there were 24, I guess its just something God desided to use.

Kahtar
Jun 22nd 2009, 02:52 AM
There is probably a reason for that particular number, but I really have no idea.

Sala
Jun 23rd 2009, 02:55 PM
Just a thought Kahtar. Wool was prohibited. Wool is grown by natural sheep without spiritual help. Linen is spiritual. We are not to minister in the flesh. Wool also makes us sweat. We cannot enter in clothed in that which comes natural to the natural man.

I also thought of this verse when you mentioned pattern ...

Heb 9:21-23
21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
NASB

The OT tabernacle was patterned after the heavenly "thing".

Excellent study. I am looking forward to more. There is much to digest here.

Goodmorning Kahtar! this morning I was very tired, physically and in mind I did not want to get up, but then I thought about one of my services to the Lord is to sing to Him and so I got out of bed and knelt down and before I prayed anything, I began to sing...

Holy Father God we welcome you into this place
Holy Father God we welcome you into this place
We come to worship You with all our might
We exalt thee Oh God, the Lord Most High
And we magnify thee, in the earth, forever
Oh Lord you are our God!

My song started off weak because I was still half awake, but then the more I sang and the more I thought about singing BEFORE the Lord;) and my service to minister in the spirit and not the flesh, the louder and stronger my song was and I began to feel uplifted, it was awesome! and now I am ready to serve the Lord today!

It ties into what you and brother mark has said here, we must worship in spirit and truth, to come into the Holy of Holies, remove the wool, the veil, the flesh(because my body was tired) and minister in the spirit. How wonderful, just thought I would share. I have more time today so I will move onto the next post.

Kahtar
Jun 23rd 2009, 03:16 PM
That's awesome Sala! So many view our walk as nothing more than a mental assent, simply a belief, and have a hard time actually making these things a part of their life. I am glad you have discovered how to do that!

Sala
Jun 30th 2009, 10:26 PM
In the wilderness, the Levites were assigned to the area immediately surrounding the Tabernacle, while the rest of Israel was camped, according to their tribes in the four directions extending outward from the Tabernacle.
After the tribes came into the land, and the land was divided amoung them, 48 cities were given by the tribes to the Levites, and their time was then spent either in one of those cities, or, during the time their course was on duty at the Temple, in Jerusalem. Six of those 48 cities were to be cities of refuge.
And among the cities which ye shall give unto the Levites [there shall be] six cities for refuge, which ye shall appoint for the manslayer, that he may flee thither: and to them ye shall add forty and two cities. [So] all the cities which ye shall give to the Levites [shall be] forty and eight cities: them [shall ye give] with their suburbs. Numbers 35:6-7

I find the number of these cities intriguing. There were twelve tribes of Israel, each one tied by prophecy to the twelve constellations, the most obvious being Judah to Leo.
Each tribe would have provided 4 cities. In the constellations, each one has 3 ‘decans’, totaling 4 for each tribe, or 48 in all.
The six cities of refuge are interesting. In looking at the meaning of their names, keeping in mind the ‘refuge’ concept and how it relates to Christ our Refuge, we have the following:

Kedesh - Holy H6943קדש ׁ qedesh keh'-desh From H6942; a sanctum; H6942 קדשׁ qâdash kaw-dash' A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): - appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied one, self), X wholly.
Christ the Holy One.
Shechem - Shoulder -H7927 שׁכם shekem shek-em' The same as H7926; ridge; H7926 שׁכם shekem shek-em' From H7925; the neck (between the shoulders) as the place of burdens; figuratively the spur of a hill: - back, X consent, portion, shoulder.
Christ bears our burdens.
Hebron - Fellowship - H2275 חברון chebrôn kheb-rone' From H2267; seat of association; H2267 חבר cheber kheh'-ber From H2266; a society; also a spell: - + charmer (-ing), company, enchantment, X wide.
We draw near to Christ in fellowship.
Bezer - Stronghold, Rock - H1221 בּצר betser beh'-tser The same as H1220; an inaccessible spot - H1220 בּצ betser beh'-tser From H1219; strictly a clipping, that is, gold (as dug out): - gold defence. H1219 בּצר bâtsar baw-tsar' A primitive root; to clip off; specifically (as denominative from H1210) to gather grapes; also to be isolated (that is, inaccessible by height or fortification): - cut off, (de-) fenced, fortify, (grape) gather (-er), mighty things, restrain, strong, wall (up), withhold.
Christ is our ‘Fortification’ our Rock and our Fortress, our hidden and safe place of refuge.
Ramoth - Exaltation - H7216 ראמת ראמות râ'môth râ'môth raw-moth', raw-moth' Plural of H7215; heights; H7215 ראמה râ'mâh raw-maw' From H7213; something high in value, that is, perhaps coral: - coral. H7213 ראם râ'am raw-am' A primitive root; to rise: -be lifted up.
Christ our Prince and Saviour Whom God has exalted and lifted up.
Golan - (A.Habershon says ‘Joy’, presumably because of H1523 גּוּל גּיל gîyl gûl gheel, gool, which is translated joy. But Strongs does not give it as a root for golan, nor is the word joy in the OT translated from golan) - H1474 גּולן gôlân go-lawn' From H1473; captiveH1473 גּלה גּולה gôlâh gôlâh go-law', go-law' Active participle feminine of H1540; exile; concretely and collectively, exiles: - (carried away), captive (-ity), removing. H1540 גּלה gâlâh gaw-law' a primitive root; to denude (especially in a disgraceful sense); by implication to exile (captives being usually stripped); figuratively to reveal: - + advertise, appear, bewray, bring, (carry, lead, go) captive (into captivity), depart, disclose, discover, exile, be gone, open, X plainly, publish, remove, reveal, X shamelessly, shew, X surely, tell, uncover.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Ephesians 4:8
Christ is He who revealed the truth, made it plain.
The Spirit of the Lord upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [I]Luke 4:18

So the dwelling places of the priests were scattered throughout the land.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. Philippians 2:14-16
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Revelation 5:9
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:20
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:4

These chief fathers of the Levites [were] chief throughout their generations; these dwelt at Jerusalem. 1 Chronicles 9:34

The chief priests dwelt at Jerusalem. I suspect that of these there were 24, who were representatives of each of the 24 courses, and pictured in Revelation.
But the priests who were scattered through the 48 cities had to leave their homes in order to come up and take their turn in the service of the sanctuary.
We also are called to come before Him, turning our backs upon the world, gathering together in His name.

It is interesting that the Levites did not have an inheritance in the land.
Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him. [I]Deuteronomy 10:9
And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. Numbers 18:20
And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I [am] their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I [am] their possession. Ezekiel 44:28

And what does the scripture say of us today?
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Hebrews 13:14
As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and [yet] possessing all things. 2 Corinthians 6:10
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. Acts 4:32
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: Matthew 6:19-20

This is not to say that we must be poor and destitute here. But whatever we do have, the Lord has given us, and ultimately belongs to the Kingdom of God.
But God has not left them, or us, empty. Rather, our inheritance is found, not in the land, but in the Lord.

And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. Numbers 18:20-21
And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I [am] their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I [am] their possession. Ezekiel 44:28

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:16-17
Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an[B] inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 1 Peter 1:3-4

I agree with the others, this has been an excellent study Kahtar. I am reading more of the OT than I ever have and it's not so much changing what I believed before, but it's adding more and it's giving me a deeper understanding of the NT. I especially like this post above, the Levites did not have an inheritance in the land, the Lord said that He would be their inheritance, then the Lord brought to my memory the parables that Jesus spoke of in the NT concerning the Kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13:45-46
45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

Matthew 13:44
44 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

We have an inheritance that far outweighs any earthly treasure, that doesn't mean that we are called to be poor or that we shouldn't enjoy what God has blessed us with here on earth, but all the riches in this world does not compare to the glorious inheritance that we have in the Lord.

Kahtar
Jul 1st 2009, 12:04 PM
it's not so much changing what I believed before, but it's adding more and it's giving me a deeper understanding of the NT. It pleases me to hear this. That was the intended purpose.:)

We have an inheritance that far outweighs any earthly treasure, that doesn't mean that we are called to be poor or that we shouldn't enjoy what God has blessed us with here on earth, but all the riches in this world does not compare to the glorious inheritance that we have in the Lord.Exactly. And when that inheritance, and the kingdom, become our priority, the thing we seek and strive for above all else, then all we have need of in this world will be provided us, and abundantly so.

Sala
Aug 2nd 2009, 03:04 PM
This section will look at the place of our work as it relates outwardly.
As the Israelites traveled through the wilderness, each family of the tribe of Levi carried their own portion of the tabernacle as they followed the pillar of cloud and fire. Numbers Chapter 4 explains the duty of each family. They understood that the wilderness was not their abode, but that they were passing through it, on their way to the Promised Land.
Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 1 Peter 2:11
We also are called to carry the Word and the Kingdom through this wilderness, as strangers and pilgrims, taking it to the ends of the earth, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, and we also understand that this is not our abode, but that we are passing through, on our way to our Promised Land.
Notice also that as they journeyed through the wilderness, that they only moved when the cloud moved. As long as it remained, so did they. This speaks volumes to us today, or should. As we make our journey through this wilderness, we also should move when the Spirit directs, but not before, and we should only go where the Spirit directs us to go.

When the Israelites passed over the Jordan, they are still bearing the ark, and once in the land, they are faced with many battles: Joshua 3,4,6
It is interesting to note that the Israelites passed through the waters WITH Joshua. And that the ark of the testimony went in first.
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Canaan pictures for us resurrection ground, and it is there that we are faced with battles:
Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:[B] Ephesians 1:3
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Ephesians 6:12

Kahtar, the ark of the testimony was the law of God,His Word yes? and that went in first, when I face trials/spiritual battles as a believer, I remember that the battle is the Lord's and not mine. He is to go in first and I am to abide and follow Him. His Word I am to carry in this world and when I am tempted, His word is to "go in first" . No what I mean?

Also I'm reminded today that we are strangers and pilgrims in this world and that we will indeed face various trials and we are to carry our part, His word and His kingdom in our hearts and look forward to the Promise Land and what a glorious day that will be when we arrive and see our Lord face to face!!!:pp I get to meet you too Kahtar! Maybe the trump will sound and the Lord will call us up before I finish this study, wouldn't that be wonderful!!!

Kahtar
Aug 7th 2009, 04:26 AM
Kahtar, the ark of the testimony was the law of God,His Word yes? and that went in first, when I face trials/spiritual battles as a believer, I remember that the battle is the Lord's and not mine. He is to go in first and I am to abide and follow Him. His Word I am to carry in this world and when I am tempted, His word is to "go in first" . No what I mean?

Also I'm reminded today that we are strangers and pilgrims in this world and that we will indeed face various trials and we are to carry our part, His word and His kingdom in our hearts and look forward to the Promise Land and what a glorious day that will be when we arrive and see our Lord face to face!!!:pp I get to meet you too Kahtar! Maybe the trump will sound and the Lord will call us up before I finish this study, wouldn't that be wonderful!!! I believe you are 'spot on', my friend.:)

mongoose303
Aug 13th 2009, 12:36 AM
And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. Numbers 18:20
And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I [am] their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I [am] their possession. Ezekiel 44:28


Well that appears to be quite amazing ! that the Levites inheritance was to be the Lord God himself,to be in His very presence wow ! I want to be a Levite please ! Im not much interested in being a ruler i'd much rather be a priest in the presence of the Most High God......if he will have me, I want to be with Him so much....:cry:

Sala
Aug 26th 2009, 02:05 PM
I'm almost sad I wasn't born a jewish girl. what an honor and privilege it was to be a Levite, serving the Lord.

In a way, I am a true Levite...

Romans 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

I like the part of this study on dedication, Billy Graham has this saying..." Salvation is free, but discipleship will cost you everything" and how true that is.To be a disciple of Christ, a true Levite, we must offer up ourselves as a living sacrafice, everyday, He has to be Lord over every area in our lives and if there is a part that we are holding back then we are living in willfull disobedience and rebellion towards Him. Every disciple is a believer, but not every believer is necessarily a disciple.

The unbeliever looks at us and thinks, what is the honor in serving God? a bunch of rules and "thou shalt nots". They say," it is better to have your freedom and do what you want, live your life the way you want" but they don't know that in serving the Lord, you experience true freedom. It is an honor to serve the most high God, to be called a child of God, we are royalty in the kingdom of heaven. this world will pass away soon and we will live with Him forever in His kingdom.

Kingsdaughter
Aug 28th 2009, 03:01 PM
Excellent study Kahtar! I came across it last week as I was going to complete my study in the book of Joshua, could you please send me a pm with the url so that I can print out the entire study? Thank you.

Kingsdaughter
Nov 20th 2009, 06:16 AM
Okay, I never thought I would get THIS MUCH out of the old testamment. Its great! I mean the part about the temple and how each one of us are being molded and shaped by God(here in the world) and then brought together,(maybe at the rapture) we will be prepared and ready. and how in the OT the stones of the temple were hewn outside and then brought in ready to go...AWESOME!

i'm glad I printed this study out because it disapeared for a while there:rolleyes: happy its back!

Kahtar
Nov 21st 2009, 09:32 PM
I'm glad it' back too. It got archived there for just a bit, I guess because it's kind of an old thread. I'm glad you are getting something from it.
You might take a look through the Genesis study at that same url. I'm sure you'll glean a whole bunch more from the OT.;) There are so many that think the OT is a dead book, put away and forgotten since Christ. They believe that it is no longer needed because we have the NT now. Paul did not find it such, nor do I. It's every bit relevent for us today, and there is SO much we can yet learn from it. And there is much in the NT that simply does not make sense, or we completely misinterpret, without the foundation of the OT.

Kingsdaughter
Nov 22nd 2009, 02:36 PM
I'm glad it' back too. It got archived there for just a bit, I guess because it's kind of an old thread. I'm glad you are getting something from it.
You might take a look through the Genesis study at that same url. I'm sure you'll glean a whole bunch more from the OT.;) There are so many that think the OT is a dead book, put away and forgotten since Christ. They believe that it is no longer needed because we have the NT now. Paul did not find it such, nor do I. It's every bit relevent for us today, and there is SO much we can yet learn from it. And there is much in the NT that simply does not make sense, or we completely misinterpret, without the foundation of the OT.

I'll take a look at that Genesis study kahtar, thanks. Yeah i used to view the OT as a history book, yes I need to know my history, but it's not really something I can use for today since I have the NT. That's how I used to feel, boy was I WRONG. The OT is just as ALIVE as the NT and there are like so many "hidden treasures" of knowledge and insight , in the OT.Ya know what I mean brother!!totally awesome and I'm so thankful you put this study out.

bc3n1
Nov 22nd 2009, 04:17 PM
I'm glad it' back too. It got archived there for just a bit, I guess because it's kind of an old thread. I'm glad you are getting something from it.
You might take a look through the Genesis study at that same url. I'm sure you'll glean a whole bunch more from the OT.;) There are so many that think the OT is a dead book, put away and forgotten since Christ. They believe that it is no longer needed because we have the NT now. Paul did not find it such, nor do I. It's every bit relevent for us today, and there is SO much we can yet learn from it. And there is much in the NT that simply does not make sense, or we completely misinterpret, without the foundation of the OT.

Kahtar, I'm relatively new here so have just found this study. I agree with you emphatically about the OT being so relative to the NT. My daughter and I have a Torah and are even going back to the Hebrew and Greek for deeper understanding. Looks like we are in for the long haul for study. Praise God! Thank you and I'm enjoying this study.

Kahtar
Nov 23rd 2009, 02:47 PM
If anyone is interested in the rest of this study, pm me and I will send you the erl. I did finish it, but it is to large to post on here really. (or maybe I'm just lazy:lol:)

BUSHNELL76
Nov 25th 2009, 06:00 PM
Good place to start is are the prestly garments, in Dut. I think.

BUSHNELL76
Nov 25th 2009, 06:13 PM
The old testament is a shadow of the new testament, the abudence of Grace in Jesus. He is all over the old testament. He is in the law and the prophits.

Kingsdaughter
Dec 14th 2009, 02:14 PM
The past two weeks I've been focusing on who we are in Christ and there is a part in that section where you suggest we really take a day or two to meditate on the scripture verses you posted in that section, I did and it is changing the way I see myself. You're right kahtar, the way we see ourselves is SO different from the way He sees us. His love and desire for us and how He chose us,etc. I not only love the Lord, but I am in love with Him. For the first time, I feel so just special to Him, I love knowing that I am His possesion. if thats okay to say, I don't have to compare myself to anyone. I feel whole and complete in Him, at peace with myself. Hope that makes sense.:)

Kahtar
Dec 15th 2009, 04:07 AM
The past two weeks I've been focusing on who we are in Christ and there is a part in that section where you suggest we really take a day or two to meditate on the scripture verses you posted in that section, I did and it is changing the way I see myself. You're right kahtar, the way we see ourselves is SO different from the way He sees us. His love and desire for us and how He chose us,etc. I not only love the Lord, but I am in love with Him. For the first time, I feel so just special to Him, I love knowing that I am His possesion. if thats okay to say, I don't have to compare myself to anyone. I feel whole and complete in Him, at peace with myself. Hope that makes sense.:)Oh, that makes perfect sense dear one!:hug:

Kingsdaughter
Dec 19th 2009, 05:08 PM
Hi Kahtar, the Holy Spirit is now teaching me what it really means to fear the Lord and it is so awesome that I cant keep it to myself. because He knows me perfectly He knows that I have struggled with always believing that He is mad at me, at least I used to not anymore, the past month, with this study, scripture and the Holy Spirit has taught me how much God really loves me. His love for me is so huge and deep, and now He tells me that it is time to learn what it means to fear Him. I love the Lord so much He is so gentle and tender with me that He was preparing me to learn this part about Him.

To fear the Lord means... To FEAR HIM! Yes it means to respect Him and reverence Him but it also means to fear Him. When i fear Him it is mixed with absolute trust, it is mixed with with so much love. To fear Him is to take Him VERY SERIOUSLY, it means to take His word seriously. We are to perform the duties of tabernacle exactly the way He wants us to and not the way we want to. Just like you said.

I fear Him because my God is a consuming fire, i fear Him because He is Almighty, i fear Him because He means what He says, I fear Him because He is the LION of the tribe of Judah, Do you ever watch the animal planet channel kahtar? the was an hour long program about lions and how they live. The alpha male lion, they called mufasa(you know like the disney movie lion king?) his purpose is to protect the pride, and there was a part where these hyenas were trying to steal their food, and the alpha male opened up his mouth and let out a HUGE ROAR, they ran off out of fear, the POWER of this animal is AWESOME. I'm still learning and its exciting what He is teaching me.

Kahtar
Dec 20th 2009, 11:28 PM
I never know how to respond to posts such as yours KD. But a couple things come to mind, if I can find a way to express them.
First, I read your post, and others on here, and think of all those who believe God's Word is irrelevant for today, or those who believe the Old Testament holds nothing of spiritual value for today's so-called 'New Testament' Christian, or those who believe that the OT is 'that other religion', and I feel anguish for them, because they have no idea what they are missing out on, that which you so obviously have found, because the Holy Spirit has chosen to open your eyes and understanding to what is really there, and your heart and mind was open to receive them. It is my prayer that they will at some point in their lives allow that door of their heart to crack open just a wee bit, enough to let a glimpse of the light shine through. Se la ve.
Second, there is no greater joy to a teacher of God's Word than to see a student become enraptured with God's Holy Word, and to witness the Holy Spirit going so far beyond anything the teacher could say or do.
So many weild the Word like a weapon, using it to wound and slay the hearts and minds of those they are 'trying to show the error of their ways' in the name of 'love', or to satisfy some deepseated insecurity to prove themselves 'right'. Interestingly, even if they happen to be 'right', they are still wrong, and have still completely missed the point.

I am happy for you that you have found a glimpse of what you were seeking.;)

Kingsdaughter
Dec 21st 2009, 05:20 PM
Yes, I believe I understand what you are saying my friend. :hug:There is so much more I want to share but sometimes is difficult for me to put in words what the Spirit is doing in and through me, you cant see my life and how I live, but I SEE the evidence of what the Spirit is doing kahtar, I see it in my marriage, my children and everyone around me, when Jesus said that those who believe in Him, out of the heart will flow rivers of living water, the Spirit is flowing out to those around me and even the "stuff" around me, what I mean is...my house is alot cleaner than it used to be, lol, things are more organized, my familys eating homecooked meals and i never used to cook and I was the take out queen, nothing wrong with take out, but I think my family enjoys homecooked meals better,these things didn't happen magically, I did them all, but i didn't notice that I was doing these things, see what I mean when I say it's hard to explain what the Spirit is doing:lol:, I think when He overflows to the people around you, He also overflows to the 'stuff' around you as well.

More thoughts...I just thought of something else, that the Lord brought to my attention, the Levites were to minister to the Lord before the "tabernacle of witness', our bodies are the tabernacle and our lives are a witness to others around us, I am busy throughout the day ministering to the Lord, by thinking about Him, thinking about His word, and singing praises in my heart to Him, while I am doing this, everyone around me is witnessing it, by what I do outwardly, they are experiencing the fruit, yet inwardly I am ministering to the Lord.

FfireAZ
Dec 27th 2009, 09:41 PM
Very interesting thank you

bc3n1
Jan 8th 2010, 03:46 PM
Hello kahtar! A very blessed new year, grace, and godliness be multiplied to you and yours. I'm still feeding on this bible study and praising the Lord for it.

Shalom!

Kahtar
Jan 9th 2010, 04:00 AM
Chew slowly, brother.:lol: and you have a blessed new year too!

Kingsdaughter
Jan 12th 2010, 05:50 PM
Hi Kahtar and hello to everyone who is doing this study! Hope you all had a nice holiday. I have something to share, I am in the part that talks about our characteristics as priests and one of them is uprightness. Its a small section and you don't even comment kahtar, you just posted 3 scripture verses. 2 CHronicles 29:34, Phillipians 1:10 and 1corinthians 5:8. when I read that we are to "keep the feast" I didn't know what that meant, like I said earlier, I've read parts of the OT but never became a student of the OT until now. The Holy Spirit has been teaching me so much, that I could be focused on one little part of this study and the Spirit will lead me to other passages and show me things that would take a week long! Okay, so I opened up my bible and started reading 2Chronicles 29:34 to find out what this "keeping the feast" was all about. I was searching for one thing and the Spririt showed me something else. I backed up a bit and read verses 20-36 in chapter 29 and I began to rejoice in my spirit, as if I was right there with the Levites rejoicing with them because of the sacrafices of these animals and how they were forgiven. I realized that they BELIEVED God and it was about their faith in Him. So here I am rejoicing with the Levites over the sacrafices of bulls and goats and right then its as if the Spirit said, "how much more will you daughter rejoice that the Son of God Himself, the Lamb of God was slain for your sins" then He reminded me of this passage that i had read before, but now i have a deeper understanding...Hebrews 9:12-14 I couldnt keep the tears from flowing and i was digging through my kids toys looking for that toy tambarine my daughter has i dont know why but i felt like i needed a musical instrument, i found it and was walking around the house banging that thing and singing "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain".it was AWESOME, thats all i have for now,to all of you... Grace,mercy and peace from God our Father and Christ Jesus our Lord!

Kahtar
Jan 13th 2010, 05:17 PM
I realize that I could have put a whole lot more into the study, and provided a great deal more information to be digested. But I did not. It really does a person no good to be spoonfed God's Word. Rather, inspiring others to dig into it themselves is the real purpose of a teacher. And when they DO dig in and study, what is the result? I could not state it any better than you already have kingsdaughter. If you are the ONLY ONE who can say as a result 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain. It was awesone........' then I have fulfilled my role as a teacher. Thank you.

Kingsdaughter
Jan 14th 2010, 06:49 PM
Its not a coincedence that when I came to the part about cleansing, purifying, and purging, thats what the Lord is doing in my life right now. I posted something about it in "growing in Christ" . Oh the purging! You say that we can accept the purging and become a vessel of honor or we can stubbornly remain where we are and see our works burnt up in judgement. So true, its amazing how Aaron did the cleansing when it came to the Levites and Christ does the cleansing in us, we are not able to clean ourselves, WOW! Our High Priest purifies us, and that will make us zealous for good works! I am seeing also that Father is taking me out of my comfort zone, I don't like to be out of my comfort zone, because then I have no control over what happens and thats scary, and the Lord is leading me right where I don't want to go and He is so incredibly awesome and wonderful and loving that when I cry to Him and tell Him how scared I am, and how I'm almost angry at Him for letting it happen, He doesn't get mad, He understands and I see Him as gently putting His arms around me and saying, "its okay to cry and I know your upset, but we're going anyway" Oh I just love the Lord!

Kingsdaughter
Jan 24th 2010, 04:57 PM
Hi Kahtar, I have some questions for you. I belive the Lord has already given me the answers, but I am struggling with unbelief. First let me say, that I am beginning to have a love for Israel, for the Levites. I have been taught for years that the Church, or the body of Christ, has replaced Israel, the Lord is showing me that is not true. Israel, is still Israel and God does not break covenant, so that is opening up a whole nother can of worms for me,lol. Okay so here are my questions...

1. Are there jewish people alive today that are in the same blood line as the Levites?
2. Do they all live in Israel still, or are they scattered throughout?
3. The jewish people who believe in the one true God, our Father, they don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah right? So what happens to them?If they don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, then they go to hell? I'm struggling with that, because what about the covenant God made with them?

Thanks ahead of time.

Kahtar
Jan 25th 2010, 12:11 AM
1. Are there jewish people alive today that are in the same blood line as the Levites?
2. Do they all live in Israel still, or are they scattered throughout?
3. The jewish people who believe in the one true God, our Father, they don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah right? So what happens to them?If they don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, then they go to hell? I'm struggling with that, because what about the covenant God made with them?
Good questions.
1. Yes, there are, but not all are aware of their bloodlines.
2. Some, probably most, live in Israel, some scattered around the globe.
3. When God, through Moses, led the Israelites out of Egypt, and set up the covenant with them, the covenant was with the entire nation of Israel, but each had to enter into it individually, through their acceptance of it and obedience to it. It is the same today, with the new covenant. The covenant is for all nations, tribes and tongues, but it is up to the individual to accept it and be obedient to it.
Since those who are 'living under the old covenant' do not recognize that all the sacrifices pointed to and were a substitution for the True Sacrifice, they are not really accepting the sacrifice, and thus are individually rejecting both covenants.
The day will come (unless God is a liar and does not honor His Word) when the nation as a whole WILL recognize their True Sacrifice, and accept Him. On that day, they will say 'Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord'. When He appears in the clouds, and removes the scales, and they behold the Lamb of God, they will know Him, and, as Revelation tells us, will wail, when they realize that they did in fact crucify and reject the Messiah they so looked forward to.
God's Word is sure, and His covenants are sure. To this day, a rainbow appears in the sky when it rains, and there never has been another flood that destroyed the earth, as did the flood of Noah (which is why the flood HAD to be a global flood-we have had many local floods since then). God's covenant with Noah and the earth remains. The covenant with Abraham remains to this day. Abraham COULD not break it, we cannot break it, and God WILL NOT break it.
When God says His covenant is eternal, it is eternal, regardless of the unbelief of some. Thus, when He said His covenant with Israel is eternal, we can rest assured that it is.
When He says that His throne will be established in Israel, we can count on it. When He says that every nation shall go to Israel each year, and those who don't won't have any rain, that's how it will be.

Kingsdaughter
Jan 28th 2010, 02:06 PM
Thank you Kahtar, yes I believe that to be true as well, I have always wanted to go to Israel, but never had the money or the time, now I know I will see it, because I will be with the Lord when He sets up His throne in Israel, we will be with Him!!!Hallelujah!!

Frecs
Mar 4th 2010, 01:56 AM
Kahtar,

I've copied the part of the study you posted on this thread and pasted into a word document for my use. If you have more that has not been included here, could you provide the link to where I can find it?

Kahtar
Mar 4th 2010, 01:06 PM
Frecs, if you turn on your private message thing I'll be happy to provide a link for you.

Frecs
Mar 4th 2010, 03:26 PM
Okay, I think I have made that adjustment.

Kahtar
Mar 4th 2010, 04:16 PM
Still won't let me. Look under 'settings', scroll down to Private Messaging, and click the accept option.

Frecs
Mar 4th 2010, 04:42 PM
For the life of me, I don't see a "Private Messaging" option in my settings....

Studyin'2Show
Mar 4th 2010, 04:45 PM
For the life of me, I don't see a "Private Messaging" option in my settings....

It's actually under 'General Settings' (lower left) on the 'Settings' page. Scroll down to Private Messaging and enable it (from all members). ;)

Frecs
Mar 4th 2010, 05:00 PM
I checked the FAQ on PMs and it seems I may not have met the requirement for this feature yet.

Studyin'2Show
Mar 4th 2010, 05:08 PM
I checked the FAQ on PMs and it seems I may not have met the requirement for this feature yet.

Oh, you maybe too new. Give it a little time. :)

Frecs
Mar 4th 2010, 05:38 PM
Yeah, I signed up end of last week...I have the # of posts and positive feedback so I just need to reach the time requirement. :-)

Kahtar
Mar 5th 2010, 01:40 AM
okay, well, let me know when you are able, and I'll get the link to you.:)

Frecs
Mar 6th 2010, 07:49 PM
I'm official now. You can PM me. :)

Kingsdaughter
Mar 25th 2010, 03:43 AM
Hi kahtar!I'm still into this study and it has been a blessing in ways I can't explain.I could not help but take a peek at the "Closer look at Genesis" study and it is incredible!I am only on the first page and the part about the light on day one is different from the lights on day four,WOW!I skimmed over Genesis in the past and never really dug deep into what is really there,I've never been this excited about the book of Genesis,the Lord is really opening my eyes to all of this.I have a lot of questions, do you think the darkness on day one is different from the darkness on day four,I mean I agree that darkness is not a thing but merely an absence of light on day four but is it possible that the darkness on day one is satan,evil,sin?over the face of the deep?also thank you for adding in the hebrew words and meanings for 'was' and 'form' and 'void' very cool! What is the hebrew word and meaning for 'deep' 'face' and 'darkness'?also,is there a website you could pm to me where I can look up the hebrew words myself?oh and I remembered the verse in 1thessalonians that says we are sons of the light and of the day and we do not belong to the night or the darkness,that's what makes me think that the darkness on day one was satan,sin,evil.

Another cool thing kahtar is that these studies tie into one another.His word is true and that ALL scripture can be used for instruction in righteousness!

Kahtar
Mar 25th 2010, 01:52 PM
Your enthusiasm is very inspiring.:) I think you will find much food for the soul in that study.
The darkness? Honestly, it had never occured to me to study into it much. But offhand, I would say that from a physical perspective, the darkness of day 1 and day 4 are the same, simply the absence of light. The spiritual lessons are another matter of course, and I will take some time to look at that a bit.
deep -H8415 תּהם תּהום tehôm tehôm teh-home', teh-home' (Usually feminine) from H1949; an abyss (as a surging mass of water), especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water supply): - deep (place), depth.
H1949 הוּם hûm hoom A primitive root (compare H2000); to make an uproar, or agitate greatly: - destroy, move, make a noise, put, ring again.
face -Nm) פּלץ pâlats paw-lats' - Face: The face, also the presence of one through the sense of being in the face of. [Always written in the plural form, minp; Frequently used with the prefix "l", meaning "to" or "for", meaning "to the face of" or "before"] [freq. 2110] |kjv: face, presence, because, sight, countenance, from, person, upon, of, against, open, for, toward| {str: 3942, 6440}
darkness -H2822 חשׁך chôshek kho-shek' From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity.
night -H3915 לילה ליל ליל layil lêyl layelâh lah'-yil, lale, lah'-yel-aw From the same as H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night; figuratively adversity: - ([mid-]) night (season).

The Online Bible might have Hebrew definitions, but I'm not sure.
I highly recommend getting E-Sword (http://www.e-sword.net). It is free, and you can get many, many translations, dictionaries, commentaries, etc. for it for free as well. Some translations require some money however.

Another cool thing kahtar is that these studies tie into one another.His word is true and that ALL scripture can be used for instruction in righteousness!Yes, they do, in many ways. The more a person studies the Word, the more one realizes that scripture is a unified whole, from Gen to Rev., the division between OT and NT melts away, and it is seen that every single word in it is there for a reason (in the original language, I might add).
Enjoy..............;)

Kingsdaughter
Apr 1st 2010, 03:07 AM
Thanks kahtar,I will look into that website,I agree with you the more I study the Word,the more I see it as a whole,there is no separation from OT to NT, and that every word is there for a reason.There is a part of the study"Closer Look at Genesis" in the very beginning where you describe the Lord Jesus Christ. You are simply describing Him and who He is and the different names that are used to describe Him,to me it was an absolute PRAISE to the Lord Jesus Christ!whether you meant it to be or not, for me,it was a praise my friend!I'm sure I'll have more to share and more questions for you later.thanks again.

Kingsdaughter
Jul 7th 2010, 02:11 AM
Hi kahtar, I've been away for awhile, but I am back into this study and I have something pretty cool to share with you. theres a part in the "Closer Look at Genesis" study where you talk about Adam and Eve and how they knew they were naked after they had sinned against God, you referenced a passage in the bible that talks about Moses and how the skin of his face shone after spending those 40 days with God on the mountain. It is so interesting to think that before Adam and Eve sinned, that they glowed so bright they could not see that they were naked. I do believe also that they were clothed in God's glory, okay so heres the really cool part...

Last week I was visiting my family in Cali and I had a chance to spend time with my sister, we were talking about the time I got saved 12years ago, I was living with my parents and my sister, she was an unbeliever at the time,let me add also that those months after i got saved,i was eating,drinking,and breathing in the Lord,it was wonderful!His Word seemed to jump off the pages and into me every time I opened the bible to read!I couldnt get enough of Him and yet i felt so full and complete, she said she remembered the change in me and whenever she saw me she said, " it was like you were GLOWING or something"! can you believe she said that kahtar? I immediately thought of that passage in the bible and what you wrote in the study.

I've lost some of that love and just sheer excitement for God these past couple of years,the Lord reminded me of that through my sister and a"Closer Look at Genesis".:)

Oh by the way...Happy Birthday Kahtar!!!!!!:pp :pp

Kingsdaughter
Jul 24th 2010, 07:38 AM
We cannot obey God on our own terms and in our own way. Kahtar, I asked myself why God went into so much detail when it came to the priestly duties of the Levites, I mean really.Why did He put it in the bible?All the little pots and instruments and the like, do we really need to know all this? Right at that moment the Holy Spirit spoke to my heart and said that if the Lord had not been specific, then we would come up with our own way of doing things and because we are in the flesh, whatever way we would come up with, would be sinful and corrupt, WOW!Then He brought that passage in the bible to my mind that says,We all like sheep have gone astray and there is no one who does good, not one! He said that I have to obey the Lord EXACLTY the way He says to.I CANNOT come up with my own way of doing what He has called me to do, Christ Jesus says that without Him I CAN DO NOTHING. He says that He will not leave me as an orphan but that HE WILL COME TO ME! How? through the Holy Spirit, I realized that God does not leave me to quess what I'm supposed to do, but that He is so SPECIFIC in what He wants me to do, I have to believe that the HOLY SPIRIT is the one who will fullfill His will through me and what He requires from me, is TOTAL and COMPLETE SURRENDER.

Kahtar
Jul 24th 2010, 01:18 PM
Very interesting insight, and what I have found as well. Absolute surrender and dependance upon Him for everything. Some would perhaps argue that God gave us a mind and gifts and abilities for us to use and we should use them. And that is true, but, without that complete surrender, including (perhaps especially) the surrender of our gifts and talents and even our own thoughts, we truly are not able to do anything that is not tainted with self and flesh, and therefore not worthy for anything but the dung heap.
As to your earlier post that I somehow missed till now, I think we do glow somewhat, but I think its on a spiritual level. Yet, others around us are able to discern it, often without realizing it. They just know there's something different, but can't quite tell what.
I too have lost much of that glow received at new birth. But I find it again occasionally, especially when I'm teaching on the rez and allowing the Spirit to give the words to speak. At those times, I feel more alive than ever, like I'm 25 again. :)

Kingsdaughter
Jul 24th 2010, 04:24 PM
Yes some would argue that God gave us gifts and abilities and we should use them, but He never intended for us to use them on our own apart from the Spirit,the flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that gives life. thats where they have it all wrong, in fact when we surrender ourselves completely to the Lord it is then that our real, true talents and gifts and abilities come forth.Wouldn't you agree?When we say that we have gifts talents and abiilities and we don't need the Lord or the Spirit, we can do it on our own, then our works are as you said, a dung heap!

I was very shy growing up, just the thought of standing in front of a group of people to speak would make me break out in a cold sweat, or just talking to other people I didn't know, I never ever thought that I would have the gift and ability to evangelize, but that is exactly what the Holy Spirit has done through me, when I surrender myself to Him. With family members who can be very critical and with others that He has either led me to or brought to me.

Kahtar
Jul 24th 2010, 04:43 PM
I am still shy to this day, and standing before a group of people to speak STILL makes me shake and break out in a sweat and so forth. Yet, when I allow the Spirit to do and say what He wants through me, it's as if I'm transformed into another person. I am suddenly able to speak no matter the size of crowd or who's in it. I can teach degreed pastors and new converts alike, and do so with power and authority. And in this way I can tell, and so can my wife, btw, when it is the Spirit and when it's just me. And, when it's the Spirit, He speaks to each individual, including me, so what comes from my mouth in those times is as much for me as it is the ones I'm speaking to. I have been awed by the words coming from my own lips countless times. :D
My talent, if I even have one, lol, is perhaps writing, but even that is useless without His direction and input.
Apart from Christ, I can do nothing. But, in Christ ALL things are possible.
A number of times, He has directed me to do things that I personally am not able to do. And doing that takes some getting used to, some learning that He IS trustworthy to provide ALL we need to accomplish His purpose. I have learned, finally, to just say 'Okay Lord, but its all on you. I can't do it, so you must.', and then proceed to set out to do what He directed. And He has never failed me in that, never left me to fend for myself, never left me 'in the lurch'.
All He really wants is our trust and obedience. Like the song 'Trust and obey, for there's no other way......'.

Kingsdaughter
Jul 24th 2010, 09:26 PM
I am still shy to this day, and standing before a group of people to speak STILL makes me shake and break out in a sweat and so forth. Yet, when I allow the Spirit to do and say what He wants through me, it's as if I'm transformed into another person. I am suddenly able to speak no matter the size of crowd or who's in it. I can teach degreed pastors and new converts alike, and do so with power and authority. And in this way I can tell, and so can my wife, btw, when it is the Spirit and when it's just me. And, when it's the Spirit, He speaks to each individual, including me, so what comes from my mouth in those times is as much for me as it is the ones I'm speaking to. I have been awed by the words coming from my own lips countless times. :D
My talent, if I even have one, lol, is perhaps writing, but even that is useless without His direction and input.
Apart from Christ, I can do nothing. But, in Christ ALL things are possible.
A number of times, He has directed me to do things that I personally am not able to do. And doing that takes some getting used to, some learning that He IS trustworthy to provide ALL we need to accomplish His purpose. I have learned, finally, to just say 'Okay Lord, but its all on you. I can't do it, so you must.', and then proceed to set out to do what He directed. And He has never failed me in that, never left me to fend for myself, never left me 'in the lurch'.
All He really wants is our trust and obedience. Like the song 'Trust and obey, for there's no other way......'.

Yep! I agree, there is a pastor that I listen to and he has a very strong lisp, you can hear it when he's not preaching, but the minute he gets up to preach, you can't hear the lisp. and someone had mentioned it to him and his response was,"because it's not me who is preaching, but the Spirit of the Lord" He was telling a story of a dear pastor and friend of his who was also shy and who studdered so bad you could hardly understand him, but when he got up to preach and teach the Word every Sunday, the studder was gone and he spoke clearly without fear, with power and authority, its amazing what the Spirit can do if we trust the Lord to do it and obey.

thebibleblog
Mar 8th 2011, 02:31 AM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/435878986/heston_moses_normal.jpgI find it interesting to think about the Tabernacle was not made until after the worship of the golden calf. We see through out the whole Bible where God has allowed mankind to do things his way. Original sin, God made a way for us to be restored to his fellowship. Sacrifice and worship, rather than an invisible God alone. I feel God Elohim felt it necessary to fulfill the need of the people by giving them a way of worship, by offerings and sacrifices. When mankind wanted Judges, God gave them Judges. When they wanted a King, God gave them a King. When they wanted divorce, he even made a way for that. We mankind have not been satisfied with doing things God's way and always seek to do things our way. But God in all his patience and wisdom does allow us certain freedoms, as long as it doesn't interfere with His plan. We are slowly being transformed into the Priests of His Heavenly Kingdom of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Kahtar
Mar 8th 2011, 02:39 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/435878986/heston_moses_normal.jpgI find it interesting to think about the Tabernacle was not made until after the worship of the golden calf.Yes. I don't think the tabernacle was a necessary thing. I believe He wanted all along to simply be worshipped in spirit and truth, without all the hooplaw.
Here's another interesting thing. They made a golden calf to worship, so what does God require them to sacrifice? The very thing they worshipped.
But, none of this caught God by surprise. He knew it from the beginning. Everything He did was designed to point us to Christ, including the tabernacle, the judges and kings.