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  • The Age Old Question about Killing

    There is an age old question concerning the present day Christian who serves in any position that may require them to kill. So for all personnel who have, are presently or will serve in the military, we’re going to address this question.

    We have all heard that killing is wrong but when you really read the Bible in context, is killing wrong? God never said that killing is wrong. Sure, He’s our sovereign Lord and above reproach but He is not a God of, ‘do as I say, not as I do’ either.

    God has never said that killing is wrong. God said that murder is wrong. So, we ask that age old question about killing in war and in reading the Bible, the answer is no. God’s command is, “Thou Shalt Not Murder” and this has nothing to do with killing.

    Killing is a means that God utilizes to ensure that His will is done when His will reaches such an extreme. Our Lord has even whiped out the entire human race except for only Noah and his family, a total of 8 humans (Genesis 7:13-16). He has utilized few men to kill off vast armies (Judges 7:7), man has been ordered to kill entire cities to include all the livestock even (Joshua 6:2 and 21). Through Samson, God has enabled a man to kill with supernatural strength (Judges 14:6, 19 and Judges 15:14-15). Finally, when Jesus returns in glory and physically is on the earth He will kill all of those who have taken the mark of the beast (Revelation 19:21).

    By these few examples, can anyone say that God is instructing that killing is wrong?

    David the King wrote: “blessed be the Lord my rock, Who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle” (Psalm 144:1) Here David is giving thanks, praise, and acknowledgment to God that he is the one who has prepared David for the battle that he (David) must fight.

    I have been asked many times to produce scripture that informs us that killing is “OK”. Well, here is my honest answer based on all I have read in the Bible, there is no need for any scripture informing us that killing is OK! In context of the Bible and by the many examples we are provided throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament, its clear and understood that killing is necessary as God wills. Even when a man and his wife lies to the Holy Spirit, God has killed over such an offense (Acts 5:3-5, 9-10).

    We need to understand that throughout history God has used war and the warrior to complete His perfect plan, and that God has used his people in this endeavor. War is a horrible thing, yet it is a tool that God uses in this fallen, broken, and imperfect world. Isn’t it interesting that the first action taken (by God’s command) when the Hebrews entered the Promised Land was to attack and take Jericho by the sword?

    God had told them that He (God) had, “given them the city”, yet God told them to attack.

    In the New Covenant, the men and women that He will use to accomplish this specific task of His will, are called Ministers of God. This position will need to be filled by obedient and faithful servants of God until He sends His Son, Jesus back to the earth. Then all those who are presently His Ministers of God, will be out of a job. Jesus will bring His wrath to the evil doer Himself and will not be working through man to do this any longer.

    Now there will be some who say: “The NT tells Christians to love their enemies, to do good to them that persecute you, etc.” and that is certainly true. But these things were told to us by our Lord as a model of individual reaction to those who hate us, for in those times of retribution and revenge for insult and affront were the order of the day.

    But the Lord has never either denied us the right to self-defense or the defense of our families, our homes, our way of life.

    Thou Shalt Not Murder, it is not about killing, it is about doing God’s will, where killing is necessary.

    • chef
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      chef commented
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      Hello Slug. Not to be a bee in your bonnet but this sincerely raises questions for me. For instance, my KJV says "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13). Does this mean that my Bible is wrong???

      Originally posted by Slug
      God has never said that killing is wrong. God said that murder is wrong.
      What is a difference between killing and murdering?
      I'm confused???

      Does God ordain Christians to take another mans life?

      Also, what if war requires Christians to kill other Christians or cause their suffering?

      Or what if the reasons we are given to justify war are all based on lies?

      How do we reconcile this with the teachings of Christ and the New Testament?

      Thank you.
      chef

    • chef
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      chef commented
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      I want to apologize if my questions seem rude. I'm not trying to offend you in any way. I have military in my family so I understand the noble reasons for wanting to serve your country and I'm not trying to knock anyone down for serving.
      I just have a difficult time reconciling these things (especially the present war situation) with the teachings of our beloved Lord Jesus.
      When I read your article it brought some of these questions to mind and I guess I just kinda blurted them out.

    • Ginoman
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      Ginoman commented
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      I respectfully disagree with any man who thinks they are the hand of God, and ordained by Him to kill others.
      What makes you different than an Al Queda operative, who kills "infidels" in the name of their religion/government?

      Does our government ask us to kill people?
      Yes.
      Do we have a choice not to?
      Yes.

      I'm not convinced the war we are waging over in the middle east now is purely for our protection, and doesn't have anything to do with greed.

      The Bible clearly says that God's law supersedes man's law.
      An excerpt taken from another forum mentions how in Acts 5:29, when Peter and the apostles were forbidden by the Jewish authorities to preach the Gospel, they flagrantly disobeyed that edict saying, "We ought to obey God rather than men. " In any conflict between what God says is right and what the laws of man demand of us, we must be prepared to stand up for God's law at whatever personal cost.

      Should we defend ourselves by killing our attacker if necessary?
      I leave that decision to you, and your own personal relationship with our Lord, and wouldn't judge you.

      Should we execute murderers who are already apprehended, kill over seas, torture people in Cuba, or run over children with trucks, in the middle east, who are kidnapped from their village and being forced to block the path of our convoys?
      How could you dare use religion as an excuse?

      Whoever believes these things ought to start another Holy Crusade.

      Jesus said whoever is without sin, let them cast the first stone.
      He also said if a man strikes you on your cheek offer him the other as well.

      Jesus does not want us to be defenseless, He told us how to defend ourselves:
      Ephesians 6:10-18 - "10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
      18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

      Did you notice that the only offensive weapon He gave us to attack with was the Word of God?
      Did you also notice that we are strong in Him, not ourselves, our battle is with the devil, not other flesh and blood people, the gospel is about peace, and that we are instructed to keep praying for ALL the Lord's people?

      So the people we don't like are not the Lord's people, then?
      Are you willing to make that judgment?
      Do you remember how the Apostle Paul used to persecute Christ's church?
      What would have happened if someone had have killed him because they felt they were the hand of God?

      God wants our tolerance, forgiveness, long suffering, and love to touch people's hearts so that even they might come to know our Lord, through your acts of kindness.

      Judge and you will be judged.

      Just out of curiosity... For everyone who quoted Old Testament verses regarding war, do you really want to be judged by God on how well you kept the old law, or are you saved through the new covenant, and the grace that abides by way of Jesus Christ?

      Jesus absolutely instructed us not to kill!
      Mathew 5:43-48 - 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

      One last thing... Why do people think God only wants to bless the U.S., and doesn't care about people in other countries?
      Would He pit us against the world, with automatic weapons, because we are His true and only chosen people?
      So, the people serving their governments military have no human worth because of where they were born?
      Do you really think that God needs our help killing people, when He's the one who gave us life?
      We are ALL children of God!
      Some of us have no relationship with Him, and everyone else needs a better relationship with Him; but, war never, ever, ever caused this to happen... Love connects us with our father.
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