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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Blogs - Aristarkos https://bibleforums.org/blog.php/61452-Aristarkos A free online Christian Community. Active, moderated Christian Message Board. en Sun, 24 Mar 2019 05:02:28 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.jpg BibleForums Christian Message Board - Blogs - Aristarkos https://bibleforums.org/blog.php/61452-Aristarkos The purpose of the aions (Eph. 3:11 source text) https://bibleforums.org/entry.php/4737-The-purpose-of-the-aions-(Eph-3-11-source-text) Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:04:54 GMT The five aions God has set to Himself to come to terms with creation.

1st aion. From creation till the casting down of the world (translated foundation wrongly). The casting down was the first cataclysmic event which involved water, that's why we see the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters in Gen. 1:2. This is called in 2 Pet. 3:6 the katakluzo of the world that then was.

2nd aion. From the seven days of restoration, till the flood of Noah. Second cataclysmic destruction which involved water and called kataklusmos in 2 Pet. 2:5 of the old world.

3rd aion. This is the current evil aion (Gal. 1:4 source text), from the landing of the ark until the second coming of the Lord. According to Peter this will be cataclysmically destroyed by fire which doesn't mean everything will be burned (2 Pet. 3:7), this is when the NHNE of Isa. 65, 66 starts.

4th aion. Starts with the erection of the Kingdom of Heaven, the millennium reign, followed by the GWT. This aion is called the regeneration by our Lord in Mat. 19:28. This aion ends when the New Jerusalem descends to earth, this is the NHNE of Rev. 21. No cataclysmic destruction.

5th aion. From the New Jerusalem until God is all in all. This is the new creation to which Paul anticipates by teaching us about sonship.

The five world aions are depicted (among other things) in the the Worldly Sanctuary (to hagion kosmikon) Heb. 9:1:

1 Outside the Outer Court The first world aion
2 Outer Court The second world aion
3 Inner Court The third world aion
4 The Holy The forth world aion
5 The Holy of Holy The fifth world aion

As you can see there is a rising in rapprochement to God with each aion, which we can call the road of salvation .

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Literary Structures https://bibleforums.org/entry.php/4726-Literary-Structures Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:54:52 GMT Scripture is the only book in existence that has literary structures. These are the evidence both Hebrew and Greek Scriptures are His word. In 1500 years have 40 writers, wrote this Scripture and it is all literary structure nevertheless. ... Scripture is the only book in existence that has literary structures. These are the evidence both Hebrew and Greek Scriptures are His word. In 1500 years have 40 writers, wrote this Scripture and it is all literary structure nevertheless.

What are structures? We speak at the plants of the structure of branches and leaves. These are miraculously merged and show a remarkable construction. In the investigation of the nature of the elements (these are the substances from which matter is built up) we speak of the structure of an atom, that is, its method of composition, of the grouping of even smaller parts: proton and electrons. Scripture also has a structure, a building order. Structures now are the basic texts that clearly show how a larger or smaller part of Scripture is built up. Thus we can give the structure of a bible book, of a chapter or of a part of a chapter.

The structure is often required for the interpretation. When one sees which parts correspond to each other, which are opposite to each other, which run parallel, there is often a solution for difficult parts and in any case a better overview is obtained.

No book in the world can be put into structure. This can only happen with Scripture, which is built according to the purest laws of the Spirit. The structure is an outward testimony that God's Word is the truth. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times (that is, in human nature) Psa. 12:7.

The construction of the different Scriptures is not always the same or always simple. Here too, God's great literary richness comes true. Some are simple, others are complicated. The structures are God's arrangement of the Scriptures. The division into chapters and verses in our Bibles is very flawed and often superficial human work that can not continue to exist. Once, in everything, God will bring out the full truth, purity, authenticity, beauty, balance, in one word perfection. Also in His Word. He will do so by bringing forth the deeper ground lines, the basic sketches, which will also indicate the fixed order as the ordinances of heaven and will prove to be as harmonious as all the Divine.

The structures are actually a better chapter division. One read Scripture according to the classification in the structure. The Word will gain strength through it and the insight will be strengthened by it. The Companion Bible has in it's marginal notes the structures and is invaluable for those who wish to study His word.

Lastly an example of the structure of Gen. 3 which clearly shows there was no serpent, but a higher spiritual being that seduced Eve.

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Child and son of God https://bibleforums.org/entry.php/4723-Child-and-son-of-God Mon, 01 Oct 2018 20:13:43 GMT Post #796 (https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/274851-Who-are-the-true-Israelites?p=3470207#post3470207) of Who are true Israelites . Any man is from birth carnal, spiritually dead, not in communion with God, even those who have knowledge... Post #796 of Who are true Israelites .

Any man is from birth carnal, spiritually dead, not in communion with God, even those who have knowledge of Scripture as we can see from John 3:3 where the Lord says to Nicodemus a Pharisee Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God .

John 1:12, 13 which says according to the Greek: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God . This is the regeneration or being born from above, we need this to really hear the words of God as seen in John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God Regeneration is needed to believe that Jesus is the Christ as is told us in 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God ... .

So in this stage one is still nothing more than a child, a servant Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant (Greek: doulos = slave) ... , Gal. 4:1. Children of God are ... in bondage under the elements of the world , 4:3. That this is about Israel is apparent from v. 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the sonship (Greek: uihothesia) . This is the reason why Jesus came to Israel, being a Jew, under the Law.

This is only the first stage on the road of salvation, Paul in his letters tries to educate those of the gospel already preached to Abraham. We know that Abraham was before the Law, and that there was made more then one promise. From the N.T. we know that Abraham looked for city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God , or the New Jerusalem. The old Jerusalem isn't build by God but by humans, Jews.

The olive tree is symbol of Israels spiritual privileges, its oil served for the lamps of the candlestick, Exo. 27:20, 30:24, Lev. 24:2. It is particularly connected to the house of God. We read about the grafting on the olive tree in Romans, v. 11:17 says And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree . The Gentiles were to make Israel jealous But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you , this was to stay in the symbolism what was done with literal olive trees to make them set fruit. This however has nothing to do with the Law, the promise of it was from before that era. It is about faith, like we see in Hebrews Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen . Thus the grafting on the olive tree gives knowledge of the Scriptures, something only Israel had. The olive tree symbolizes the bearing of the words of God, Rom. 3:2.

The promise of sonship was already promised to Abraham, yet also to be a great nation, singular. Sonship is from all nations, plural. Therefore God promised Abraham these things in Genesis. The Covenant of Circumcision, with Israel, and father of many nations. Not only literal nations of his offspring from Hagar and Keturah, but also a spiritual offspring, sons of God as we can see in Gal. 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ . The promise made to Abraham before the Law, sets free of that Law through faith. Rom 8:29 says For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren . A brother of the Son of God is a son of God.

To become a son we have to believe more then a child, a child was still a sinner and was called to repent: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Acts 2:38. There is not a trace of the justification by faith Paul preached. The only time the phrase remission of sins occurs in his letter is in Rom. 3:25. Paul sees on the righteousness of faith, For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith , Rom. 1:17. He speaks of the righteousness of faith, For the promise, that he should be the heir of the cosmos, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith . Being heir of the cosmos has nothing to do with the Law, the covenants nor the land. Because this is about sons. Abraham believed in the Lord (Jehovah or YHVH) and He counted it to him for righteousness, Gen, 15:6. Now we have to believe more, because more has been revealed. Now we must buried with Him into death, Rom. 6:4, be in Christ, Rom. 8:1. So there is a difference between children and sons of God.

If one sees this, it is quite clear we Gentiles are not under the New Covenant. The covenants were made with the Jews or Israelite as Paul tells us in Rom. 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises . So sons are those who come to be righteous by faith, both Jews and Gentiles because, the promise is from before the giving of the Law, before the birth of Isaac.

Post #818 of Who are true Israelites .

There is through Scripture more then one group, we see this already in Gen. 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth ... . The land, the covenants, the promises made to Israel are for the earth, not the heavens, yet here the Lord already says in the beginning of Scripture there is a generation of the heavens.

How is this possible. By counting Abel as the first of a higher group that is being worked out in Hebrews. We first find Abel and his faith there. Then follows Enoch, then Noah; Abraham and others. We know from Enoch that he was taken away , Greek: Transferred. Generally it is understood to mean that he is taken up in the heavens. We certainly know this from Elijah. They (or at least the latter) are type of a higher group, the generations of the heavens. Abel, Enoch, and Noah belong to the Pre-Israelite dispensation when the Jew did not yet have Canaan as an inheritance. It may certainly be asked whether they will also inherit the land of Canaan?

There is more. Of all the faith heroes in Heb. 11, it clearly states that they have not received the promise. The promise can not be the land of Canaan, for many of them have lived in it, so it has been obtained. We name the Israelites of v. 31 and 32, Rahab, Gideon, Barah, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, the Prophets. However, the letter writer says. And these all ... received not the promise, God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect , v. 39, 40. How can that be the promise to inherit the land of Canaan?

The better that God has provided is the heavenly homeland, 11:16. This comes first when the heavenly Jerusalem comes down. It is known that both texts say: over-heavenly, that is, prepared from the over-heavenly. For so long they have a house, aionic in the heavens, for until then the New Jerusalem is still up, Gal. 4:26. One sees that there must be something higher, for the earthly Canaan was possessed by many. However, not the promise , i.e. the heir of the world (cosmos). And cosmos here includes the heavens and the earth.

There is more evidence. In John 14:1 3, the Lord says that He is going to prepare a place and when He returns (so not at death as many believe) He will take them to Himself so that they may be where He is. In John 17 He says that He gave them the glory that the Father has given Him, 17:22. That is a glory to the world, v. 5. Is that the glory of the possession of the land Canaan? Or is this something higher?

Paul spoke in 2 Cor. 5 of a House, aionic in the heavens. So the Jew and the Greek had a House in the heavens. Is this the land of Canaan? And if this House was now not exclusively for the Gentiles but just as well for the Jew, how can one say, that there is no higher line in O. and NT, seen to Enoch, Elijah, John 14 and 2 Cor. 5. One loses sight of the fact that there are already two kinds generations in the O.T., that of the earth and that of the heavens, Eph. 3:15.

God said to Abraham, So shall your seed be , as the stars of heaven, Gen. 15:5. Most say: that means: so much in number. This does the source text not allow there, the word so does indeed indicate the state, the condition, not first the number, because in other places it appears in the sentence: Thus, says the Lord. Does one also want to read there: So much says the Lord?

Abram had two sorts of seed. As the dust of the earth, as the stars of heaven. One can point out that in Exo. 32:13, Deut. 1:10, 10:22 and 28:62, 1 Chron. 27:23, Neh. 9:23 and Nah. 3:16 speaks of the stars of heaven with regard to Israel, but who gives the right to say that this is the same as the dust of the earth. Heb. 11:12 says that out of Abraham many were born in multitude as the stars of heaven, and as the sand that is on the seashore. Those are two things, two spheres. If Israel also states that they are stars of heaven, then with them the higher group is indicated, the generation of the heavens. Those stars of heaven were then still on earth, but were they destined to obtain an earthly inheritance or just like Elijah, something higher and did they look with their father Abraham to the city that has foundations, the heavenly Jerusalem? Should we not rank them among those who expected a better resurrection? So much is certain that a higher type is drawn to us in Elijah, that in John 14 is already spoken of the Father's house, that Paul in 2 Cor. 5 speaks of the House aionic in the heavens and that is not only given to the Jew, but also to the Gentiles and that He in Rom. 8:29 says that they will be conformed to the image of his Son.

Christ says that those who are considered worthy to attain that aion and the resurrection from the dead will be equal to the angels, Luke 20:34, 35. Do they get an earthly inheritance?

When is Abraham justified, as Jew, i.e. circumcised or as Gentile, that is, uncircumcised? Not as a Jew, not in circumcision, Paul says, but in the uncircumcision, Rom. 4:10. Here, Paul is walking back on a pre-Israelite, a pre-circumcision time. And that is why he, Abraham, is promised not only to be heir of the land, but to be heir of the world, Rom. 4:13. And that of the world includes more than just Canaan, it also includes the heavens. The conclusion of all this is that in the O.T. we already see two spheres. These are already mentioned in the first verse, Gen. 1:1, namely heavens and earth. God prepares a generation for each of them, for it is His intention to set man over the works of His hands. Everything is put under his feet, Psa. 8:7. Psa. 8 then describes, in connection with Israel, only the earthly sphere, but Heb. 2:7 extends this further. In the O.T. are these two generations already there. And Israel could already know that there was a higher hope of which it could get part. They could see this in Elijah. Furthermore, it could also be known that the Gentiles in this were on one line through Enoch's taking up. All this was known. We at least can know.

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The Importance of Proper Translation https://bibleforums.org/entry.php/4373-The-Importance-of-Proper-Translation Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:09:40 GMT
Our Bibles are translations, not inspired Scriptures. No matter how valuable they are for us who don't read the original languages (Chaldee, Hebrew and Greek) and no matter how well the translaters meant, important truths have been lost while translating.
This is not something I made up, for this reason others who noted the same created concordances and lexicons for us to use. The importance of proper translation can be seen from the following samples:

1. Not - Nowise

Some have accused Paul in Acts 21 not to act according to Gods will, partially based on Acts 21:4 which reads:

Act 21:4 And finding disciples, we tarried there seven days: who said to Paul through the Spirit, that he should not go up to Jerusalem.

He went anyway and therefore did not do Gods will, so they say. According to the translation this seems to be true, but not by the inspired words (Greek).
The Greek has at least four variations of not , the strongest of that is ou me which is usually just translated as not or in no wise .
Peter meant well when he used it when he said: Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. in Matthew 16:22 but he should not have chosen that word, because he put an absolute denial on something that was going to happen anyway. When the Lord uses it, it is good to pay attention to the absolute power of ou me :

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

This gives us insurance it will happen, no matter what people say about it.


John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Less powerful is ouchi like in:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

After that follows ou as in Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone and Matthew 5:21 Thou shalt not kill . Ou is still a perfect, objective, absolute, denial.

The last one is me which is conditional, subjective and relative as in Matthew 10:5 Go not into the way of the Gentiles , this was for that time, later they would teach all nations 28:19. See also John 20:17 Touch me not to Mary but later Thomas was allowed to touch the Lords hands and side vs. 27. This is also used in the quote above of Acts 21:4, so the command to not go was temporarily.
One can see that by knowing the inspired words of the original language, apparent contradictions no longer exist.

2. Greek prepositions

Another example is the Greek prepositions, to little attention has been paid in translations about these as well. Because of this many Christians have become to believe things that are just not said in the source languages of the Scriptures. Many believe there is a so called pre-trib rapture where believers are snatched away before the actual return of the Lord. Verses used to prove that claim are:

1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

The Greek however has three times the preposition ek which means out or out of . So the Greek text reads:

1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son out of heaven (He is in there now), whom he raised out of the dead (He was in [between] the dead), even Jesus, which delivered us out of the wrath to come.

The same goes for another verse that is used:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Here the Greek reads three time en which means in , so the verse should read:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven in a shout, in the voice of the archangel, and in the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

In here means these are accompanying phenomena when He descends from heaven.

3. Everlasting etc.

The last example is what in our Bibles usually is translated as everlasting or similar expressions. The Scriptures no nothing of a never started, everlasting, never ending eternity, it speaks of a successive series of aions , or in Hebrew olamim .

In Ephesians we read the following:

Ephesians 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

and it should be:

Ephesians 3:11 According to the purpose of the aions which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

In Hebrews:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

and it should be:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the aions were reordered by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The word reordered is katarizo in Greek, from this verse we see perfectly what it means:

Mat 4:21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

It doesn't say the nets were framed or created at that time, they were making over and repairing and make them ready to fish again. This is what God did to the aions and the reason is the casting down of the cosmos when Satan sinned in the first aion.
How do we know there are aions or olamim? Because Scriptures talk about them and shows us we are living in one and that there were aions before ours, our translations reads:

Ecclesiastes 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

The Hebrew says:

Ecclesiastes 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already in the olamim, which were before us.

Since olamim is plural, we know that 2 aions were before ours and there will be 2 after ours. One is well known and the only one that we can calculate the length of. It runs from the 7 days of restoring the earth until the flood. After the flood the third - current - aion started. How we know there are five aions? It is presented among other things in the tabernacle:

Outside the Outer Court The first world aion
Outer Court The second world aion
Inner Court The third world aion
The Holy The forth world aion
The Holy of Holy The fifth world aion

As you can see, the rapprochement to God gets closer with each passing aion, the end of which is:

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This is of course very briefly and is therefore far from complete, hopefully it will encourage you to pay more attention to the source text before jumping to conclusions based on pure translation.

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