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    I agree with the occupiers...to a point. I agree that it's not fair for a handful of individuals to control most of the wealth in the world, while the majority of people barely get by--and some actually do without. But such is the way of the world under the system of man's governance. That some live in luxury while others live in abject poverty is not what God intended when He created man. Adam chose to rebel against God in the garden of Eden, and to rule himself--thereby bringing a curse upon both mankind and the earth, forfeiting dominion over the earth to the angelic rebel who had corrupted man for that purpose. Ultimately all who belong to God will live gloriously in sweet fellowship with God in the eternal New Jerusalem. Yet, for now, under the present world system, I would challenge anyone to cite an example of a country where there is no disparity in material wealth among its citizens--or to find a better place among them where the poor are taken better care of.

    Yet, even those at the poverty level in this country--because of our society, live a pretty good life compared to the average person in most other countries. And most of those countries operate under the very type of socialistic system that America is now being steered toward--a fact lost on the radicals, unions and entitlement people who cheer on the "transformation" of America. The Capitalist system we live under, which the youth has been conditioned to despise, is actually the best one in the world. The American free enterprise, entrepreneur-driven economy we have is the very reason the US--only 200 years old--rose to become the most prosperous nation on earth, financially supporting countries thousands of years old.

    But most now "occupying" in this country, don't think about that. They mindlessly buy into the revolution mentality, many blending their voices with the cacophony of calls to overthrow this country--giving no thought to what system will replace the current system. They have been ideologically seduced by revolutionary throwbacks like Francis Fox Pivens, who inspires them with the romantic notion of becoming heroes who will help destroy an greedy, unjust government by collapsing it economically -- imploding it from within, and rebuilding it into a wonderful Socialist utopia, wherein the wealth will be redistributed fairly and equitably.

    They do not understand that it's all an illusion, and that the noble "Robin Hood" redistribution cause they support is but a carrot on a stick -- which will disappear once the powers that be succeed in gaining complete control. Many among the more radical Marxist/socialist/communist element (including some among the occupiers) are but the same type of "useful idiots" that have been used repeatedly throughout history to successfully transfer political power from one ruling body to another. We are now seeing the same idea of 'take the wealth from the rich, and divide it among the people' that has been successfully used numerous times to galvanize people into a revolutionary political movement--until the new power was firmly in control, and those fools are no longer needed.

    The dupes unwittingly calling for an end to their own safety, freedom and security are completely oblivious to the fact that this same strategy helped facilitate the French Revolution, the Russian revolution, the Chinese Revolution, the Cuban, and every other revolution in the world that has morphed into a communist country. These communist nations were built using the same tried and true formula being used in this country now: drive a wedge between the social classes, and promise the "have nots" an equal share of what the "haves" possess. Philosopher George Santyana famously said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." And another way of saying that is, 'we reap the consequences of not learning from the mistakes of history.'

    But most of the youth today do not know world history; they have been "dumbed down" by the public school system for the last two decades -- which is why the once-robust educational system in America is in decline compared to other countries. American kids today are programmed to believe that Capitalism is evil, and Socialism is good; that the practice of Christianity during school hours is wrong and unconstitutional, but the practice of Islam is not; that sexual "experimentation" is healthy, while traditional values are prudish and antiquated. One example of this type of perverse, selective programming is seen in the fact that kids are instructed on the finer points of "sexual diversity", yet many high school, and even college-age kids have only a vague idea of who Adolf Hitler was! (Does Hitler and the Holocaust no longer warrant a mention in history textbooks)?

    Yet, even more foolish then the banal "free money" mentality of those who vainly seek a redistribution of national wealth by noisily taking to the streets, is their naive, short-sighted failure to recognize the hand of the detested "one percent" among those funding their protests. George Soros--famous as the man who broke the bank of England, is a mufti-billionaire, and one of the architects of a borderless, global government, as envisioned by the richest, most powerful people on earth (those who meet regularly at the famous, secretive, Bilderberg meetings). Soros and his friends--who fund dozens of networked organizations dedicated to transforming America into a compliant cog, fitted into the machinery of global governance--are the "one percent." Evidence has surfaced linking some funding of the Occupation movement to organizations that are funded by Soros and his ilk whose holdings encompass the aggregate wealth of the entire world. What's wrong with this picture?

    The slovenly Michael Moore, who makes propaganda films demonizing America, Capitalism and "the rich," lives in a mansion and is worth an estimated 50 million dollars--meaning he has become filthy rich by means of the very Capitalist system he so vilifies. His trademark baseball cap is a prop intended to make him appear a "regular Joe," and it seems to work with most of the young people. For many, however, cheering on the protests against the rich "fat cats" seems both incongruous and hypocritical when an individual is as rich and fat as Michael Moore. Moreover, it's hard to take accusations of "greed" seriously when they're coming from someone who eats enough food for three people.

    Those participating in the occupation protests, and those who are cheering them on would do well to ask themselves two questions:

    1. Why is the one percent channeling funds and support to help campaign against the one percent?

    2. Why don't the super-rich--since they are so emotionally invested in fairly spreading the wealth around--lead by example? Someone with billions could reasonably live off a few million. I know I could probably squeak by on that, couldn't you?

    The answer to the first question is: because they know that once the US economy collapses and is assimilated into the global government as they want, they will still be among the ruling elite and aristocracy, and living in the lap of luxury. They know that they have the people barking up the wrong tree, and that they are focused on the puppets on stage, instead of the puppeteers. While these mufti-billionaires who sit hidden behind the stage, pulling the strings, most people have come to despise any millionaire who owns a business--never considering that it is they who provide the rapidly diminishing jobs in the private sector--which is being taxed and regulated into oblivion.

    The answer to the second question should be obvious: those who call for sharing the wealth aren't talking about their wealth. There's an old Russian proverb that goes: "a full stomach loves to preach about fasting." Anyone who is paying any attention to what's going on will notice that nearly everyone preaching about the redistribution of wealth is wealthy. The supporters who are not, have a vested interest in the context of their financial future; whether it's the "something for nothing" demands of the entitlement crowd, or the comfortable retirement promised to the deceived labor unions. Do the math, and you'll see the promises made to the next generation of labor workers are going to bounce like a rubber check. Only the union bosses and upper echelons are really secure.

    To the extent that the Lord permits, Satan sits as the god of this world today largely by means of the world's richest and most powerful people. And just as they are pawns of Satan, the occupiers--and the other people around the world who are currently rising up against their governments, are their pawns--responding to a manufactured global crisis that will ultimately unite the world into a neat little socialist package for the convenience of the Devil--a throne of world power from which his future proxy will reign for a brief but horrific period.

    The point is, the current events around us are but a few links in a chain that will ultimately shackle and enslave the world. Yet this is but a brief interlude that will culminate in the gathering together of God's children--both the quick and the dead, at the blessed return of Jesus Christ to fully redeem man and the earth, consign the Devil and his minions to their appointed destiny, and establish His glorious, everlasting kingdom on earth. Until then, we must accept the imperfections of an imperfect world.

    So, we should take advantage of the privilege we have as citizens in a free republic (while it still is free) to change what can be changed through the power of the ballot. But we need to recognize where we are both in the will of God, and the timeline of prophecy--and to count our blessings instead of futilely seeking a pipe dream redistribution of wealth by filling the streets with disorder and violence, blindly playing into the hands of those who would like nothing better than an excuse to clamp down and seize control, and so expand their powers as they seek to unify all nations into a global empire wherein they will be the ranchers and the "unwashed masses" part of their domain. You can believe it won't be the utopia they are now promising their dupes.
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    1. Redeemed by Grace's Avatar
      Redeemed by Grace -
      Hi SJ,

      Your title and opening paragraph lead me to think you were in support of the enduring civil disobedience that many in this country and even around the world - who feel it's society and government's role to provide for and maintain a standard of life style that one either desires or is accustomed to. But I soon learned that you change gears and offer the contrary, for which I see a biblical and foundational base of agreement.

      Many folks if not all, Christian and non-Christian alike, are comparative in their thought process, and in that -- lusts for what others may have and what they have not. It's human [I say sin] nature to compare one's lot in life to another, sometimes in rationalization, many times in lust... and I doubt that any of these 'protestors' realize that they lust after something they think they deserve and judge others to not have, instead of giving from what they do have.... Just think about the thousands of folks in protest who demand to be given, if instead gave to those less fortunate as they judge themselves worthy if they wanted to compare their lot in life than to demand to get from others who 'have more.'

      Isn't it ironic that these folks demand money and wealth from those who they find fault with in doing the same thing? Oh that speck and that plank...

      Forgive us Lord, for we miss position our wants and desires over your glory and we are sinful in our lusts and self-centeredness.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      I wanted to make it clear that I think it's unjust for some people in the world to be starving, while others scrape uneaten caviar in the garbage. I didn't want any detractor derailing the post by bewailing the wrongness of "social injustice," and accusing me of being heartless. Actually, in retrospect, the title may cause some people to pass it by--if the length of the article doesn't.

      You know, a hiring agency visited one of the protest sites with a stack of applications for some extremely good employment opportunities--yet not a single one of those who were there because they had nothing else to do, was amenable. So basically, we have people who don't want a job, demanding a share of the money from those who do. Dang if that ain't along the lines of entitlement mentality, huh?
    1. Redeemed by Grace's Avatar
      Redeemed by Grace -
      Hi again SJ,

      Hmmm... I see the world differently I guess, for nothing in life is fair, nor is fairness an entitlement from God, for Jesus so declared that there will always be the poor Matthew 26:11 "For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me.

      The Beatitudes focus on dependance and need of God, which results in inheritance of salvation, and the charge of those who are given much will be judged accordingly... which to all and every one of us have abundance as God has given.... IF I have but nothing, yet I have Christ, a wealthy man am I!

      My comments go that we compare our lives to our neighbor and say why do they have over us instead of saying how can I be their blessing of God. This global movement, IMHO, is the misplaced anger that others have more and they have less... that they protest not for an injustice of a liberty, but for the transference of wealth, which I fault global leadership with sparking that notion. The folks in Greece want what they have always had, as too with Italy and soon Spain.... and just wait until the US declares more taxes and cut backs and see all the furor of entitlements and 'rights'.

      These protestors don't understand charity from within, for again if they did, their heart would conform to obedience and love and if Christian would live under authority testifying to Christ who is within them, but instead offer civil disobedience saying it's a voice to be heard, when the best voice is one who shares from his abundance instead of demanding to be feed.


      My 2cents.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Wise words, Redeemed. I agree with your sentiments exactly. Your comments are appreciated, and, I feel, reflect a spiritual maturity and Biblical context of this earthly existence that is so lacking in the minds of most today. I agree that covetousness is at the root of the "occupations", as well as much of the problems in the world. I see a potential danger of our government exploiting the mindset of those able-bodied people who feel they are entitled to some of what others have, even though they refuse to contribute.

      Biblical teachings that admonish us to store up treasure in heaven rather than earthly, material possessions; that we be content with what we have; and to focus on matters pertaining to eternal existence rather than the temporal, are almost non-existent today--even among many professing Christians. I fear we are past the tipping point of America's "transformation," and that Americans are unwittingly handing over the next generation of our citizens to the oppressive, socialist system that already controls most of the world.
    1. Bryce's Avatar
      Bryce -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner55 View Post
      I wanted to make it clear that I think it's unjust for some people in the world to be starving, while others scrape uneaten caviar in the garbage. I didn't want any detractor derailing the post by bewailing the wrongness of "social injustice," and accusing me of being heartless. Actually, in retrospect, the title may cause some people to pass it by--if the length of the article doesn't.

      You know, a hiring agency visited one of the protest sites with a stack of applications for some extremely good employment opportunities--yet not a single one of those who were there because they had nothing else to do, was amenable. So basically, we have people who don't want a job, demanding a share of the money from those who do. Dang if that ain't along the lines of entitlement mentality, huh?
      Who are you to judge them? Because you heard that a hiring agency went to a protest site with applications and no one applied. Maybe many people have given up filling out applications because they are always told "no." Christ commanded us to feed the hungry. Have you no compassion for the unemployed person who is unable to find work but still has to feed their children.
    1. Liquid Tension's Avatar
      Liquid Tension -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bryce View Post
      Maybe many people have given up filling out applications because they are always told "no."
      Does this mean that they should stop trying?? I know it's fustrating. I've been through it. When I first moved to Hilo, I was unemployed for a year and a half. I filled out a ton of applications, gave resumes, went online.....in all that time, I had 4, yes 4 interviews (the last being the one that hired me). Again, I never stopped applying places. I got layed off 2 months ago......again, I'm doing the whole app., resume, online thing, and guess what? 0 calls yet, despite the holiday season starting. I'm not going to stop.

      Quote Originally Posted by Bryce View Post
      Have you no compassion for the unemployed person who is unable to find work but still has to feed their children.
      Let's not confuse the difference between the person who is unemployed because he/she is unable to find work with the person who refuses to work.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bryce View Post
      Who are you to judge them? Because you heard that a hiring agency went to a protest site with applications and no one applied. Maybe many people have given up filling out applications because they are always told "no."
      And maybe they didn't want a job. Do you believe that out of all those poor, hard-working people--so desperately needing an income to feed their families--not a single one viewed filling out a job application as more expedient than not filling one out? Is having been turned down by employers in the past a valid reason to turn down a good job offer, and instead, stand around doing nothing? Yeah, that'll sure put food on the table.

      I don't doubt there are some people among them willing to work if given the chance (though I have yet to see a "WILL WORK FOR FOOD" sign among the assortment of signs being waved around). Yet, it seems to me, the unemployed who really do want to work ought to be mad at Obama, instead of Wall Street. Wall Street has been making money for a long time, and only now is it being vilified by those in economic distress. A lack of Jobs and the recession are the real cause of our economic instability, and Obama must shoulder much of the blame for the joblessness.

      In 2007, when Bush left office, unemployment was at 4.6. After 3 years with Obama at the helm, unemployment hit 9.6 in 2010--and is still well above 8% a year later. (And a lot of people are still looking for those "shovel-ready" jobs he promised). Obama promised to cut the deficit in half by the middle of his second term, but instead tripled it in his first year.

      He also bailed out a number of huge corporations--which immediately gave millions of the money in bonuses to their top executives. Hundreds of millions in tax dollars have gone into various fly-by-night "green" companies--which have gone belly up, and management can't seem to account for all of the money.

      Obama cannot rightly be blamed for all our economic troubles, but he has to bear responsibility for a great deal of it. Today’s massive deficits are the result of not only the recession, but his "stimulus package" and other failed attempts to "spend our way out" of the recession. Wall Street makes money--that's what they do. And they've been doing it for a very long time, yet, never before now has Wall Street been the target of public anger over economic problems caused by the failed leadership of the sitting President.

      Blaming successful Wall Street investors for economic problems produced by the destructive policies and bad leadership of the President is asinine. And so is blaming an institution from which millions are being made by many of the same politicians, celebrities, and pundits who are cheering on the protests against that institution--including your millionaire President.

      Christ commanded us to feed the hungry. Have you no compassion for the unemployed person who is unable to find work but still has to feed their children.
      Yes He did. And yes, I do. But understand that Jesus exhorted acts of charity by those who have enough to share with others, and are willing to do so. That's a far cry from the government-mandated redistribution of wealth being demanded by the protesters, some who have--by choice, never worked, but instead have made a living by being a human parasite. I personally like what one of Jesus' Apostles said: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
      (2 Thess 3:10)
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      hallowedbe -
      Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Tension View Post
      Does this mean that they should stop trying?? I know it's fustrating. I've been through it. When I first moved to Hilo, I was unemployed for a year and a half. I filled out a ton of applications, gave resumes, went online.....in all that time, I had 4, yes 4 interviews (the last being the one that hired me). Again, I never stopped applying places. I got layed off 2 months ago......again, I'm doing the whole app., resume, online thing, and guess what? 0 calls yet, despite the holiday season starting. I'm not going to stop.



      Let's not confuse the difference between the person who is unemployed because he/she is unable to find work with the person who refuses to work.
      That is me. I am in my early 70s and lost my job in June. I am collecting a tiny unemployment check because I was working part time to complement my also small pension. All my life I have worked hard as a public school teacher. Because of family illness and me being the only elderly parent caregiver, I lost a lot of my pension during those caregiver years. Now, here I am, no family, close friends mostly all dead, regular churchgoer (churches are in a world of hurt too - parishioners can't give what they don't have), strong faith, but there are days when it all seems impossible. I am looking for work, but this season isn't conducive to it, I guess. Maybe next year. But, we need to pray for each other. I consider myself a genuine 99%er. Was Jesus a capitalist? As I read the Bible, it appears he is more of a socialist>don't lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, et al. Whatever, God is God and He is in control. I have to believe that.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Hello hallowedbe,
      I 'm sorry things are so tough for you, and hope things have improved since you posted this comment. Please don't take my position as one of apathy for people suffering as a result of the current economic situation. I should tell you, that while I'm semi-retired, and draw a meager retirement check, I have been looking for work for a long time, and my prospects remain dismal. I feel very strongly that those who cannot help themselves, such as the elderly and disabled, should be cared for; and our society has done a pretty good job of doing that up to this point. And those who want to work should be given the opportunity to do so.

      My beef is with able-bodied individuals who choose not to work, and who feel a sense of entitlement. That attitude is prevalent among the occupiers, as revealed by their own words. Most people who are feeling the pinch today are not out there among the protesters, but are instead taking the initiative, and starting a small business, working two jobs, or anything that will put food on the table, and pay the bills. They don't have free time like the students who are given time off from school to be there, or union workers getting paid to be there. Many, if not most of the protesters are young and radical-minded, calling for the overthrow of our government, yet giving no thought to what system will take its place. And for many, its just a big party, where they can hang out. (If they are so strapped for cash, how can they afford the drugs, cell phones and laptops frequently seen?) High unemployment and an outrageous national debt on top of a recession are at the core of our economic problems, and Barack Obama is responsible for most of those second two factors, not Wall Street.
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      thomasmind -
      Quote Originally Posted by Redeemed by Grace View Post
      Hi again SJ,

      Hmmm... I see the world differently I guess, for nothing in life is fair, nor is fairness an entitlement from God, for Jesus so declared that there will always be the poor Matthew 26:11 "For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me.

      The Beatitudes focus on dependance and need of God, which results in inheritance of salvation, and the charge of those who are given much will be judged accordingly... which to all and every one of us have abundance as God has given.... IF I have but nothing, yet I have Christ, a wealthy man am I!

      One thing that always gets missed is how completely and wonderfuly brilliant believers are! This response is brilliant!With that said,

      I did enjoy your article and I am reminded of so many things. One is the memory of Jesus walking through the Bazaar mad because of the new Roman money. He warned them to give the money back. In Abroiginal societies like the Batek and San the people do not starve, and we call them primitive will millions of children are hungry right now and Oprah gives out a few cars while she ges fatter on every product we buy through television comercial payments.

      I am also remended of the most important thing. Yes in life we suffer, and yes in life the system in place is not fair, but when we leave this Earth and are born of spirit we will remember how this system does not work when we exist in a system a billion times more complex, which does work. Gods kingdom is on a dimension which makes this one like a sheet of paper. A place of complete sustainability, which I do not think humans can ever achieve. We will remember how we suffered and how this system is not fair when we are in Gods system which is fair, beautiful, sustainable, and perfect.

      "Do not forget what you learn in this life, in the next life the lesons of this day will remind you." -Thomas Mind, Walking Your Path Of Peace - 2010
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