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  • Signposts of the Coming Apocalypse

    The Bible does not prophesy the end of the world or of total destruction, but of a whole series of carefully timed events that lead up to the great and glorious Return of Jesus. The final countdown of the end times will take years and before the first prophesied event happens, we are told of a few preliminary things that will set the stage for the political, economic and religious climate that is necessary to trigger the Lord’s action. These preparatory steps seem to be falling into place in rapid succession. It is humanly impossible to resolve the political situation in the Middle East, many countries have failing economies and in many countries, population has outstripped their resources.

    Many people today react negatively to anyone who warns about a coming reset of civilization, even though it is obvious that things cannot continue as they are for much longer. They say it is foolish to worry about what may happen, or even talk about the trends and signs that point toward the end time scenario as portrayed in Scripture.

    In Matthew 16:1-4, Jesus sternly rebuked the religious leaders of His day for their failure to discern the signs of His first coming. He was fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies and performing miracles, yet they were blind to it all. Likewise today, many religious leaders are doing the same, blinded to prophecy and to the signs that point to an imminent commencement of God’s program of preparation for the Second coming of Jesus.

    God is preparing the world stage for His drama of the ages. When the curtain parts, when the heavens are torn asunder, Isaiah 64:1-2, then those who have failed to understand or even to consider the more than 100 prophesies that clearly tell about the forthcoming fire judgement/punishment, they will be shocked and terrified.

    Do not hope for a rapture from this first event. The prophesies that tell of a ‘meeting in the air’ refer to the visible Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, which is to come much later. A judgement by fire will happen next and it will be a testing time for all mankind. 1 Peter 4:12

    2012 was a year that had a lot of people worried, what with the Mayan calendar ending and a proliferation of disasters such as crop failures, earthquakes and fierce storms. But the greatest threat facing the world is a nuclear armed Iran attacking Israel. If this happens, it would most likely trigger a worldwide conflagration – WW3.

    Bible prophecy, our sure guide with proven fulfilled predictions, tells us that this war will not happen. Ezekiel 7:14 God’s wrath destroyed the civilization of Noah’s time with a great flood; this time He will use fire to destroy His enemies. The Lord promises to save a remnant of Jews in Jerusalem, Isaiah 31:5 and around the world, all those people who take heed of the warnings to shelter and who call upon His Name for protection, will be kept safe. Isaiah 26:20-21

    Do not doubt; events will unfold as the prophets have so graphically prophesied, so long ago. First this terrible judgement by fire, a massive CME will be blasted out from the Lord’s storehouse, the sun. Deut. 32:34-35 Then the world’s survivors will establish a One World Government, but the great promises of God to the Patriarchs and to His righteous people will then be fulfilled, as they gather and settle into the Holy Land. Zechariah 10:8-10
    Comments 9 Comments
    1. parsonsmom's Avatar
      parsonsmom -
      Greetings; this is correct. I'm glad I came across your post. did you see the prophesy of Oral Roberts gave 2004?
    1. MartindeBeer's Avatar
      MartindeBeer -
      Quote Originally Posted by parsonsmom View Post
      Greetings; this is correct. I'm glad I came across your post. did you see the prophesy of Oral Roberts gave 2004?
      Hi, you are completely right, however in the light of prophecies relating to the "Great Power Grab" Israel and her three allies will be the aggressors, Iran and the Muslim nations their targets for complete and utter annihilation. Apart from prophecy, logic confirms this fact: how else will the Antichrist be able to clear the Temple Mount and build the Third Temple or expand the borders of Israel, two of several requisites Jews have of their messiah. Maybe we have been swayed by "great men" into seeing what they would like us to see?
    1. Kaboose's Avatar
      Kaboose -
      Yes we may go though some tough times, but Jesus will save us from the great time of trouble or Gods wrath on the unjust of course. At some point though there will be a new Heavens and a New Earth, it is in the book of Revelation 21.
    1. luigi's Avatar
      luigi -
      What about the 1/2 of the earth that would face away from a CME, and thereby be shielded from any supposed fires that would occur in the 1/2 of the earth that was not shielded; would these individuals be exempt from any retribution due to fortune of local?
    1. Dmcal57's Avatar
      Dmcal57 -
      Whatever way you want to slice it, believers will not be here to experience the wrath of God, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. The only mention of a judgment by fire is the 4th bowl judgment where the angel pours out his bowl on the sun in order to scorch people with fire, searing them with intense heat. The true church of course will not be here for this judgment. In fact, all true believers will have been resurrected and caught up from the earth prior to the 1st seal being opened, which is that rider on the white horse, that antichrist, who is a couterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11, the Lord Jesus.

      True, we as believers must go through trials, tribulations, persecutions and even the threat of death, but these come at the hands of men with the powers of darkness ochestrating in the background. But regarding the wrath of God, in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, we will not be here for those and that because we are not appointed to suffer wrath. During that time, God's wrath will be directed at those who have continued to reject his offer of salvation through his Son and who continue to live according to the sinful nature. True believers will have already responded to God's call and will have repented and therefore it would make no sense for us to be here during the time of those judgments. Jesus already took upon himself the wrath that we deserve and since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will affect the entire earth, unlike Noah and Lot, we must be removed completely and that because anyone on earth will be completely exposed to those judgments of wrath that are coming with no where to hide.
    1. luigi's Avatar
      luigi -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dmcal57 View Post
      Whatever way you want to slice it, believers will not be here to experience the wrath of God, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. The only mention of a judgment by fire is the 4th bowl judgment where the angel pours out his bowl on the sun in order to scorch people with fire, searing them with intense heat. The true church of course will not be here for this judgment. In fact, all true believers will have been resurrected and caught up from the earth prior to the 1st seal being opened, which is that rider on the white horse, that antichrist, who is a couterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11, the Lord Jesus.

      True, we as believers must go through trials, tribulations, persecutions and even the threat of death, but these come at the hands of men with the powers of darkness ochestrating in the background. But regarding the wrath of God, in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, we will not be here for those and that because we are not appointed to suffer wrath. During that time, God's wrath will be directed at those who have continued to reject his offer of salvation through his Son and who continue to live according to the sinful nature. True believers will have already responded to God's call and will have repented and therefore it would make no sense for us to be here during the time of those judgments. Jesus already took upon himself the wrath that we deserve and since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will affect the entire earth, unlike Noah and Lot, we must be removed completely and that because anyone on earth will be completely exposed to those judgments of wrath that are coming with no where to hide.
      You are correct that believers are not going to be subject to the seven bowls of Gods wrath that will be poured out upon the earth.
      Nevertheless, the reason for Gods wrath poured out upon the earth is because mankind will have killed the saints and prophets during the Great Tribulation.
      Revelation 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
    1. Dmcal57's Avatar
      Dmcal57 -
      Just clarify, I did not say that "believers are not going to be subject to the seven bowls of wrath." I said, that believers are not going to be subject to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which combined make up the wrath of God as can be deduced from the following Scripture:

      "I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues--last, because with them God's wrath is completed. (Rev.15:1)

      Since the seven bowls are the last set of plagues which complete God's wrath, the word "Last" would infer that there would have to be wrath prior to the seven bowls. The following is announced at the 6th seal, which also includes the previous seals:

      "They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” (Rev.6:16-17)

      Like wise, the following is announced at the blowing of the 7th trumpet:

      "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power
      and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come.

      So as you can see, the bowl judgments are not the only wrath of God, but is also made up of the seals and trumpet judgments.
    1. alpete95's Avatar
      alpete95 -
      Quote Originally Posted by MartindeBeer View Post
      Hi, you are completely right, however in the light of prophecies relating to the "Great Power Grab" Israel and her three allies will be the aggressors, Iran and the Muslim nations their targets for complete and utter annihilation. Apart from prophecy, logic confirms this fact: how else will the Antichrist be able to clear the Temple Mount and build the Third Temple or expand the borders of Israel, two of several requisites Jews have of their messiah. Maybe we have been swayed by "great men" into seeing what they would like us to see?
      You say: "two of several requisites Jews have of their Messiah before his return".

      The Jews had requisites of Jesus when he came last time and they were not fulfilled! So some refused to accept him as the Messiah.

      The same will be true when he returns. The requisites are pure misunderstanding of what the scriptures say. He has already "caused the sacrifice to cease" and fulfilled this particular prophecy, without the temple being rebuilt and it wasn't "He" with a capital "H" who removed "the sacrifice"

      I'm afraid you have to look beyond the obvious to spot prophecies being fulfilled!!
    1. gkm01's Avatar
      gkm01 -
      Quote Originally Posted by parsonsmom View Post
      Greetings; this is correct. I'm glad I came across your post. did you see the prophesy of Oral Roberts gave 2004?
      No, the article is in Error. The Bible does "prophesy the end of the world or of total destruction,..."
      Revelation chapter 21
      21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea....
      Now I will admit this is after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, but it still means that the Earth will be destroyed.

      As for the Earth being burn by a CME, that is not Biblical.
      Revelation 8
      6And the sevenangelswho hadthe seventrumpetspreparedthemselvesto soundthem.7The firstsounded,and there camehailand fire,mixedwith blood,and they were thrownto the earth;and a thirdof the earthwas burnedup, and a thirdof the treeswere burnedup, and allthe greengrasswas burnedup.8The secondangelsounded,and [something] likea greatmountainburningwith firewas throwninto the sea;and a thirdof the seabecameblood, 9and a thirdof the creatureswhichwere in the seaand hadlife,died;and a thirdof the shipswere destroyed.10The thirdangelsounded,and a greatstarfellfrom heaven,burninglikea torch,and it fellon a thirdof the riversand on the springsof waters. 11The nameof the staris calledWormwood;and a thirdof the watersbecamewormwood,and manymendiedfrom the waters,becausethey were made bitter.12The fourthangelsounded,and a thirdof the sunand a thirdof the moonand a thirdof the starswere struck,sothat a thirdof them would be darkenedand the daywould not shinefor a thirdof it, and the nightin the same way.13ThenI looked,and I heardan eagleflyingin midheaven,sayingwith a loudvoice,"Woe,woe,woeto thosewho dwellon the earth,becauseof the remainingblastsof the trumpetof the threeangelswho are aboutto sound!"

      This is exactly what would happen in a event that was caused by a comet or asteroid hitting the earth. Especially since the object in verse 8 is referred to as something like a mountain and in verse 10 as a "star".
      Verse 12 talks about events that would occur after an Impact of an asteroid with the Earth. Similar to what a Nuclear winter or major volcanic activity would cause, not a CME

      As far as not seeing WW3:
      A war is coming, maybe not WW3, but a war. (there will be many wars and rumors of wars according to Scripture).

      In order for the Antichrist to make a "peace"
      treaty (actually a "cease fire" treaty*), with Israel, there must be a War. (*Peace treaties have no time limit on them, a 7 year cease fire treaty, is most likely what the treaty will be).
      He must be a Principle to this action or he would not be a part of the treaty nor able to break it, like if he was just a "peacemaker", arranging the treaty for others.
      Since He will have control over many nations, it will be a major conflict, maybe not WW3, but a major Middle Eastern conflict.

      So most of the current assumptions and hand wringing over "prophetic" events is foolishness, not based upon what Scripture really describes.


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