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  • What is Being "Christlike?"

    Someone recently asked if remaining silent about things like homosexuality and atheism is not more "Christlike" than speaking out against them--just love them, and be silent about what is displeasing to God. In that regard, we might ask if Jesus Himself--the very embodiment of God's love--was silent about the dangers of hell. Did His message not declare eternal judgment the final estate of those failing to repent and seek after the kingdom of God? Did He not warn His hearers that they would perish if they did not repent? (Luke 13:1-5) Did He not relate numerous parables contrasting the fate of the godly with the ungodly? Is warning the unsaved about the approaching day of judgment "unloving" and "judgmental?" Or does it in fact, exemplify love by demonstrating a genuine concern for the eternal state of the lost--effectively putting our profession of faith into action?

    We are told by the Apostle Peter that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness." The entire time the ark was under construction, Noah undoubtedly warned those around him without ceasing, that judgment was coming. It did not matter whether a person was sexually immoral, a drunkard, or anything else. He preached righteousness. Obviously, no one but Noah's family believed his message, since no one else was aboard the ark the day the flood came. Yet, still Noah preached. At the appointed time, God Himself shut the door of the ark--and the opportunity for salvation was over.

    Jesus said that the period preceding His return will be just like that. There will be a warning about the coming wrath of God, with ample opportunity for people to be saved. Those who believe will be saved, and those who do not, will perish. The day the Lord returns will be a day of deliverance and joy for the saints, but a day of wrath and terror for the unsaved. Yet, all will have the same opportunity because of the Gospel message. The matter of eternity hangs in the balance, and there are only two options: the everlasting kingdom of God, and the lake of fire. We are entrusted with a lamp with which to illuminate the path to God, that others might be saved. To hide it under a basket is to be a selfish, disobedient steward of the Lord.

    Which truly demonstrates love for the lost: gently warning that the day of wrath is coming, and that Jesus can save them, or remaining silent because we don't want to appear judgmental? Is it worse to be wrongly thought of as being judgmental, or to allow the judgment of God to fall on a person without ever having opened our mouths? The OT prophets were men of God, sent to warn His errant people to repent, or suffer judgment. The prophets did not simply walk among their people, hoping their godly lifestyle would influence them. Rather, they spoke against the immorality and corruption that was angering God. The error of Jonah should serve as an object lesson about being a reluctant witness for God. Spiritually, the plight of the modern world is no different than in times past. It matters not whether a person is an atheist, a homosexual, an unsaved heterosexual who believes in God, or anything else. All are lost without the blood of Jesus covering their sins. Many do not see the gravity and reality of the situation, and we must not be silent about it.

    If a neighbor was asleep at midnight--unaware that his house was on fire, any of us would immediately call 911, and then frantically beat loudly on the front door of the burning house for as long as it took to wake up the person and his family. We see danger, and we act. We do not worry that the disturbance might upset them. They might initially be perturbed at being awakened from a sound sleep, but when they become aware of the facts, they'll be glad someone stepped in and acted on their behalf, in order to prevent tragedy.

    If it would be wrong to ignore the burning house, and act as if nothing's wrong, is it not even worse to see a lost person on the way to the fires of hell, and yet remain silent? Is the lake of fire not far worse than a house on fire? In neither case should we say, "Well, it's their life, and none of my business." How do we know that we are not the one witness God might use to touch an unsaved person's heart, and bring them to Jesus? If we try and fail, we failed doing what we are supposed to do. But if we never say anything at all, we fail God Himself. We are called to be witnesses, and a silent witness is effectively useless:

    For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. (Rom 10:13-17)

    It is neither un-Christlike nor unloving to share the Gospel with a lost person, regardless of who they are, or what their lifestyle or philosophy of life is. We are to share the light of the Gospel with a lost and dying world in whatever manner we are led by the Spirit of God. In the closing passages of the book of Revelation, we read these sobering words:

    "Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
    “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

    "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star. The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost. (Rev 22:11-17)

    This invitation is extended to any and all who hear and accept it--with a clear warning that those who do not repent of sin and ungodliness will never be citizens of God's eternal city. And the invitation cannot be heard if it is not verbalized. The bride referred to in the passage is the body of believers--all of us. We are to open our mouths and extend that invitation to all, not simply stand by as people around us continue blindly down the path to the lake of fire. We must be both the light and salt of the earth we are called to be. We must live our testimony at all times, in both word and deed, that it retains its integrity. And we must always be prepared to share both the Gospel of the kingdom and the truth about heaven and hell, just as Jesus did, rather than remain silent, hoping someone approaches us. That's not what an invitation is. Being a faithful witness like Christ, dedicated to God and anchored in love, yet never compromising on the truth--that's how we become truly "Christlike."
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    1. shepherdsword's Avatar
      shepherdsword -
      I agree brother. It's almost as if we are defined as haters or self righteous Pharisees if we speak out against sin that is destroying both our nation and the individual. Is it love to allow someone to continue to drive down a road and you know the bridge is washed out? Is it hate to put up a sign letting others know it is out? I can't understand the reasoning of some. It's almost as if there is some "floaty" "mystical" definition of love that doesn't meet the biblical standard. Those that hold to such a definition appear to have an air of self supposed spiritual superiority as if they are the only ones who are truly led by God's Spirit. They claim that the letter of the law kills,which it does,but they then go on to throw out the Spirit's purpose behind pointing out sin as well.
    1. doug3's Avatar
      doug3 -
      We should also remember that God has called people to different tasks (1Co 12:28-30) and not all are called to hit people over their heads spiritually – so to speak.

      A quick search of the world "hell "in the Gospels suggests to me that Jesus spoke about hell mostly (only?) to his disciples or to the religious leaders.

      The Lord spoke of hell several times in the sermon on Mount, but we should bear in mind that he was primarily addressing his disciples (Mat 5:1-16) .

      Peter wrote that we should always be ready to give an answer to anyone that asks/demands a reason for the hope that is in us with meekness and fear (1 Pe 3:15).
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      To me, the bottom line is, if being saved was all the Lord intended for individuals, He would take us as soon as it happened. I believe we are intended to serve as witnesses to those around us, so the Lord can take us all up at once as a complete harvest. The Lord designed all living things with seed within, to enable reproduction--and in a spiritual sense, the same is true of believers. Sowing the Gospel seed is sharing the Gospel message. And we cannot do that with a closed mouth.
    1. brakelite's Avatar
      brakelite -
      Certainly, in a general sense Jesus warned repeatedly of the dangers of sin, hypocrisy, and compromise. But apart from tirades against the hypocritical Pharisees and leaders of the nation, I am struggling to remember any one incident where Jesus upbraided an individual for their sin. His philosophy seemed to be more "Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more" rather than what I hear from many Christians, "You're going to hell you pervert!!!"
      Christlikeness is Christlike in character. Yes, love tells the truth. But love does not condemn, but offers hope and presents solutions. If we as Christians are to be persecuted and abused for our presentation of the gospel, let it be for righteousness sake, not because we are being obnoxious and inflammatory.
    1. ChangedByHim's Avatar
      ChangedByHim -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakelite View Post
      Certainly, in a general sense Jesus warned repeatedly of the dangers of sin, hypocrisy, and compromise. But apart from tirades against the hypocritical Pharisees and leaders of the nation, I am struggling to remember any one incident where Jesus upbraided an individual for their sin. His philosophy seemed to be more "Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more" rather than what I hear from many Christians, "You're going to hell you pervert!!!"
      Christlikeness is Christlike in character. Yes, love tells the truth. But love does not condemn, but offers hope and presents solutions. If we as Christians are to be persecuted and abused for our presentation of the gospel, let it be for righteousness sake, not because we are being obnoxious and inflammatory.
      Jesus rebuked His disciples repeatedly for the sin of unbelief
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Sharing the love of Jesus with the lost, and being a self-righteous, obnoxious clod are two different things. If we allow the Spirit of God to lead and guide us, discerning between words of love and words of contempt should not be a problem.
    1. wpm's Avatar
      wpm -
      Amen bro! Totally correct.
    1. Hashe's Avatar
      Hashe -
      If I consider the story of Jesus and the woman at the well in John 4 I get some ideas how Jesus approached people who 'lived in sin'!
      The first thing Jesus did was treat the woman humanly, and better than everybody else. Jesus asks for water, and the woman is astounded. Why would he, a Jew, address her in a polite way and treat her as though she has something to offer him.
      He then talks a little bit cryptically with her about 'living water' - which to the woman is running water and the not water from a well. Through this he engages in conversation with her. Again this is a conversation which treats her far better than any other religious Jew would ever treat her.
      He tests her - 'Call your husband'. She answers honestly and then Jesus reveals he knows her sexual past. Even still he hasn't said anything about her being 'sinful' or 'going to hell'.
      This encourages her to ask about spiritual things.
      I suspect if we also relate to people who we think have a 'sinful lifestyle' in the same way we might be more effective in reaching people with gospel.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Hashe View Post
      If I consider the story of Jesus and the woman at the well in John 4 I get some ideas how Jesus approached people who 'lived in sin'!
      The first thing Jesus did was treat the woman humanly, and better than everybody else. Jesus asks for water, and the woman is astounded. Why would he, a Jew, address her in a polite way and treat her as though she has something to offer him.
      He then talks a little bit cryptically with her about 'living water' - which to the woman is running water and the not water from a well. Through this he engages in conversation with her. Again this is a conversation which treats her far better than any other religious Jew would ever treat her.
      He tests her - 'Call your husband'. She answers honestly and then Jesus reveals he knows her sexual past. Even still he hasn't said anything about her being 'sinful' or 'going to hell'.
      This encourages her to ask about spiritual things.
      I suspect if we also relate to people who we think have a 'sinful lifestyle' in the same way we might be more effective in reaching people with gospel.
      No one is suggesting that believers act ungraciously or "holier-than-thou." Only that we should speak the plain truth in love, just as Jesus did. The starting point for effectively sharing the Gospel with the lost is acknowledging that we ourselves are but sinners saved by grace, and in no position to pontificate about sin. We are called to be faithful witnesses to the transforming power of God through His Christ--regardless of the nature of an individual's 'sinful lifestyle.'
    1. episkopos's Avatar
      episkopos -
      To be Christlike is to be unlike the rest of the world. It is to wait on the Lord in all things. It is to leave judgment to God and be ready to suffer so that the truth is known. It is to love when others cringe. But all this is only possible by being animated by a new life from heaven. So that is the source of Christlikeness.... to have seen and been with the Lord through the Spirit. To walk in Him.

      I think if we use other qualifiers we can quickly take a wrong turn. The Spirit cannot be copied by men. So there are times when one boldly proclaims the hardest judgments...and there are other times when we say nothing at all. God is at work and He never does the same thing twice. So then at the proper time we will be led in the way that pleases God whether to speak, act or remain silent.

      But until we receive that direction and inspiration we should not judge from ourselves no matter how obvious that judgment may seem. Judge not (from yourself) lest you be judged. Judge nothing before the time. Otherwise we could be telling God...I KNOW how to handle this Lord...I don't need any direction from you here.
    1. Sojourner's Avatar
      Sojourner -
      Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
      To be Christlike is to be unlike the rest of the world. It is to wait on the Lord in all things. It is to leave judgment to God and be ready to suffer so that the truth is known. It is to love when others cringe. But all this is only possible by being animated by a new life from heaven. So that is the source of Christlikeness.... to have seen and been with the Lord through the Spirit. To walk in Him.

      I think if we use other qualifiers we can quickly take a wrong turn. The Spirit cannot be copied by men. So there are times when one boldly proclaims the hardest judgments...and there are other times when we say nothing at all. God is at work and He never does the same thing twice. So then at the proper time we will be led in the way that pleases God whether to speak, act or remain silent.

      But until we receive that direction and inspiration we should not judge from ourselves no matter how obvious that judgment may seem. Judge not (from yourself) lest you be judged. Judge nothing before the time. Otherwise we could be telling God...I KNOW how to handle this Lord...I don't need any direction from you here.
      I agree on all points. We botch things up both when we improvise on our own, or when we are hesitant to speak what the Lord would have us say. As I said earlier, if we are obedient to and led by the Spirit of God in all that we do and say--as Jesus Himself was, then we will be Christlike, and effective instruments in the Lord's service.
    1. wpm's Avatar
      wpm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner55 View Post
      No one is suggesting that believers act ungraciously or "holier-than-thou." Only that we should speak the plain truth in love, just as Jesus did. The starting point for effectively sharing the Gospel with the lost is acknowledging that we ourselves are but sinners saved by grace, and in no position to pontificate about sin. We are called to be faithful witnesses to the transforming power of God through His Christ--regardless of the nature of an individual's 'sinful lifestyle.'
      This is the only Gospel message.
    1. Catalyst's Avatar
      Catalyst -
      I did not check the date for the age of this post...
    1. Dmcal57's Avatar
      Dmcal57 -
      "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

      I believe that as God gives believers opportunity, that we should present both sides, that is, the good news of salvation through faith in Christ and the consequences of continuing to reject him. I do believe that we should make judgments, for we are told to do so, but the judgment that we should not be performing is condemning, that is, handing down a damnable sentence.

      If someone tells me that they are a Christian, yet are willfully living a same-sex life style, then I have already formed a judgment based on Scripture and I am going to proclaim the truth to that person. Now, if I were to say "You're going to hell you pervert!!!" then I would be doing what Jesus said not to do, that is, condemning them, handing down a damnable sentence. By doing so we put ourselves in the position of God.

      So, in the Scripture above, teaching, training, correcting and rebuking are all considered good works and I believe that should be practiced towards both the believer and unbeliever alike. Does not Scripture not also say, "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." (Eph.5:11)

      Regarding the testimony of Christ and the sharing of his word, I have learned to wait for the opportunities provided by God and to not just force the conversation. For God is the one provides the opportunities for us to perform any good works, for they all come from him. As the Lord leads.
    1. Skidmark's Avatar
      Skidmark -
      This is a legitimate topic for several reasons.. I know we are called to be a light for the rest of the world but that can sort of beg the question. Being a light to me means living as if (even though I do not always feel like it) I am truly for God having chosen me to know Christ. At the same time I am convinced that there is only one way to God...and a whole lot of ways that are NOT the way to God. The scripture does seem to indicate that Gospel has meaning...specific meaning and it IS possible to get it wrong. In fact as I communicate with all kinds of people on these boards and in face to face dialogue I am convinced that what most people are confessing is actually an abomination to God. I am assuming it matters whether or not we affirm who does what in the conversion of sinners. If I think I had to do something to please God...then it looks to me like I do not have the gospel at all...and that has serious consequences as I understand it. It has to matter....but very few seem to agree.


      Quote Originally Posted by brakelite View Post
      Certainly, in a general sense Jesus warned repeatedly of the dangers of sin, hypocrisy, and compromise. But apart from tirades against the hypocritical Pharisees and leaders of the nation, I am struggling to remember any one incident where Jesus upbraided an individual for their sin. His philosophy seemed to be more "Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more" rather than what I hear from many Christians, "You're going to hell you pervert!!!"
      Christlikeness is Christlike in character. Yes, love tells the truth. But love does not condemn, but offers hope and presents solutions. If we as Christians are to be persecuted and abused for our presentation of the gospel, let it be for righteousness sake, not because we are being obnoxious and inflammatory.
    1. Kofoworola Awojobi's Avatar
      Kofoworola Awojobi -
      A thought provoking article that asks from each christian how best to evangelize directly at obviously sinful behaviour found in others.

      And, I think the point is to evangelize rather than preach. To tell in varied ways, depending on how close of a relationship one has with the other party, the goodness, power and compassion that is embodied in Christ our God. Rather than appear to preach a fiery warning or a know-it-all sermon.

      How many of us are really prepared to cut off our stealing right hands or gouge out our lusting eyes. No, we rather choose to manage our besetting sins and carry along with Christ. Yes, we may feel remorse for our sins but the point is we still live in our fleshly bodies and subconsciously have not given-up many fleshly tendencies. And may be we never could.

      Not to talk of tendencies as base as those found in homosexuality that are most often in-born.

      I will revel in Christ's love and comfort and authority in times of my own challenges and temptations. To show a person living in sin this my way of dealing with my own challenges, in anyway I could show them, is the right course towards their salvation I think.
    1. Falconcheff's Avatar
      Falconcheff -
      I don't know if I recall a time when Jesus pointed out anyone's individual sin; as in, "What you're doing is bad..." I think if He were to go about doing that, He would have been avoided instead of being flocked to by the sinful masses. He preached repentance without mentioning specific sinfulness; and in that, many came to Him seeking forgiveness. Let's not forget Zaccheus... without saying a word to him, the presence of Jesus caused Zaccheus to confess his sinfulness and repent.

      That said, it should be important to make the distinction of whether you're talking about sinful behavior in the Church, or in the world. Paul admonished the churches all the time to point out, confront, and expel sinful behaviors of all specific kinds. If someone is a homosexual IN THE CHURCH, it should be immediately brought to the individual's attention that the behavior will not be tolerated (radical idea in today's church; commonplace in Paul's Epistles...)

      If someone is homosexual in the world, nothing but the Gospel is going to do him/her any good...
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