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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Questions and answers. Any conceivable topic related to the Bible. en Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:41:56 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ The holiness of God https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279291-The-holiness-of-God?goto=newpost Mon, 18 Feb 2019 03:17:55 GMT Man, this Leonard Ravenhill clip got to me. One line in particular about how John the beloved, the one who rested his head upon Jesus' chest, the only one of the apostles that was at the cross, the one who legend has it was burned in oil but lived, the one who saw great visions during exile, this John, when he saw Jesus in glory, fell before Him as if dead. I so miss this kind of preaching!!!!

The first line is pretty powerful too... The greatest tragedy in the world tonight, a sick church in a dying world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenvZ806aGM ]]>
Bible Chat Brother Mark https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279291-The-holiness-of-God
the whole nation will be saved https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279286-the-whole-nation-will-be-saved?goto=newpost Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:41:51 GMT I thought about posting this in the prophecy section, but this is really a matter of biblical consideration more than prophetic viewpoint. We read in Romans that Paul believes "all Israel" will be saved. The question is, Does Paul indicate all Jews will become Christians, or that the whole of Israel, within her boundaries, will be saved politically?

My guess is that Paul uses the term "salvation" in both ways simultaneously. That is, he is referring both to the political deliverance of the nation as well as to its Christian conversion.

But I don't believe he's talking about the salvation of every Jew! The conversion of the whole nation to the Christian religion is not the same thing as every individual embracing Christianity as his or her lifestyle!

Rather, Paul's talking about the political salvation of the nation along with its conversion, legally, to a Christian-based system. That is, the law of the land will become entirely Christian in focus, and will not be pluralistic in the religious sense.

What do you think? Here is the passage:

Romans 11.
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Bible Chat randyk https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279286-the-whole-nation-will-be-saved
On light, oil, and clothing, how do they relate? EX 27:20-30:10 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279256-On-light-oil-and-clothing-how-do-they-relate-EX-27-20-30-10?goto=newpost Sun, 17 Feb 2019 00:00:31 GMT ( I am putting this article in both Bible study and Bible Chat, wondering which forum would be better. Hope you don't mind)

PARASHA: “Tetsaveh” (you shall command)EXODUS 27:20-30:10.............EZEKIEL 43:10-27..............MARK 5:1-6:56 In this parashah, we will see the preparation of the Menorah, and the clothing of the priests. The study starts out with preparing olive oil to fill the lamps of the Menorah, The Torah tells us that it was a “permanent light” (Ner Tamid). It would be the only light outside of the “Kadosh Kedoshim” (The HOLY of Holies) where the “Shekinah” illuminated that small area where the only article was the “Aron Ha Kodesh” (The Ark of the Covenant.

Verse 20 states; “And thou shalt command the children of Israel that they bring unto thee pure olive oil beaten for the light, to cause a lamp to burn continually.” In the original Hebrew, this verse has 15 words. The word “Shemen” (oil) is the “eighth” word. It is the “middle word” with 7 words before and after. Is this a coincidence? from the word “Shemen”, we get “Shemini” (eighth). What does the number 8 symbolize? It symbolizes a “New Beginning.”

This is a “New Beginning” after their slavery in Egypt. While in Egypt, Pharaoh symbolized the “light of Ra!” yet now, the “light of Elohim” would be the light of “Yeshuah” (OR YESHUAH) the Light of Salvation. The instrument of light would be the Menorah, which would hold the “shemen” the “Olive Oil.”

The Menorah was “outside” the curtain, yet still inside the tabernacle. In the same room with the Menorah was the Table of Shewbread, where the 12 loaves of bread were, and the Table of Incense. Here we have a three-fold symbolism of Messiah Yeshua. The table of Shew Bread, “Yeshua HaLechem Chaim” (Yeshua the Bread of Life) and the incense altar, where our “Prayers go upward to heaven” and where “Yeshua intercedes on our behalf. The Menorah is “Yeshua HaOr Olam v'ha Or Tamid” (Yeshua the Light of the World and the Eternal Light.

The Menorah was to burn all night, and in the morning, the high priest (Aaron) would come in to trim the wicks and prepare the Menorah for the evening lighting. The Menorah was all about “Light” in the words “from Morning to evening” (the lamps of the Menorah were to burn” we can see the Hebrew word “Ad” (ayin and dalet)

The word “Ad “means “witness” during the evening, the Shekinah Elohim was the outside light, while the lamps were the inside lights. During the day, the Shenika glory which was above the Mercy Seat of the Aron Ha Kodesh (Ark of the Covenant) was the inner light of the Mishkan (Tabernacle).

There is a difference between light and darkness, Good and Evil, Holiness and Sin, Lost and saved. The olive oil in the lamps symbolizes the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which the wicks can symbolize every believer. If we are to burn bright, we must be in constant contact with the oil, if not, we will “burn out”

In pagan cultures, darkness was when evil came about, demons, etc. In ancient Egypt, their god “Ra” went to sleep at night, so the Egyptians were without protection against the “evils of the night”. Those who ventured out usually took a cat with them, symbolizing “Bastet” goddess of the night, who would protect the person against “evil”. Wow, what if the cat saw a mouse or a dog, and....ran off? Oh, well.

The Menorah that burned during the night symbolized “Elohim” who would be the “light in the evening” as well as in the day. The light was inside the tabernacle, and also, outside in the form of the “column of Fire”

We are blessed by the presence of the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) at all times, in the day and during the night, inside and out, the believer is NEVER alone, the Light of G-d is forever with us.

The Menorah had seven branches, it was made of pure gold, the middle branch was called the “Shamash” or the “helper”. “Seven” is the perfect number of holiness. “Six” branches (six is the number of mankind) are on either side of the Shamash, three on the right and three on the left. Mankind needs the presence of Yeshua, to fulfill his destiny, to get right again, into a right relationship with his creator through Yeshua, through the “New birth” (John 3:3). The wicks are “all of us” and the oil that goes into the lamps, the “Holy Spirit” we need to be in continuous contact and communion with the Ruach HaKodesh, so that our lamps will “shine brightly” continuously, after all, Yeshua said to his followers, “Ye are the Light of the world” (Atem ha Orot ha Olam). Israel's purpose was to be the “light to the Gentiles” to go into the world and teach the pagan peoples who worshipped idols, that there was only ONE GOD, to bring the Torah to the world.

This is what happened during the “scattering” of the tribes of Israel to the nations, now, there are “Y'hudim” in all nations, and in all nations, there are many who worship our LORD and God. Even among the Jewish peoples of the world, there are many Messianic believers who embrace Yeshua HaMashiach.

In the next chapter, it talks about the vestments of the priests. Clothing has always been a thing of importance. The world says, “according to how a person dresses, that person IS” a “bum” or “hobo” (a word of the 1930s), usually has dirty and torn clothes, unkempt hair and a scraggly beard, HOWEVER, that “bum” or “hobo” might be a “born again believer” who is going through hard times, maybe being chastised by God for some sin.

Many ask what was the first “clothing” like? How were Adam and Eve dressed? If we go back to Genesis, we can get an idea and answer that question to the best of our ability. “And they were both naked, the man and his wife, yet they were not ashamed; Gen 2:25. This verse is insinuating that there IS SHAME connected to nakedness, yet, Adam and Eve did not have any physical clothing at that time. This was before their sin. But was there something that covered their bodies? If we remember, Moshe was with the LORD for 40 days and nights. When he came down from Mt. Sinai, he was “aglow” His was shining with the Ruach HaKodesh. Could that be the case with Adam and Chavah?

Many believe that they were covered with a “skin of light” (a play on words) Since these two Hebrew words are the same pronunciation; “OR” yet the first letters are different. “Light” is spelled with an “Aleph” which symbolizes the spiritual essence of Adonai (Aleph, Vav, Resh)

The other word “OR” (skin) is spelled with an “Ayin” (Ayin, Vav, Resh) . The letter “Ayin” symbolizes, the “eye” or “insight” “Skin” is something we can “see” Our souls/spirits are inside our bodies, and our bodies are covered with “skin” on the outside. So the “light” covered the “skin” meaning the oneness in the relationship with the Creator.

However, after the sin of Adam and Chavah, we read the verse; “Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked” (Gen 3:7) …” I was afraid because I was naked so I hid myself (Adam) Gen 3:10. Here we can relate “nakedness” with “fear” yet not before, only NOW. How is it that NOW they realized that they were naked? It was because the covered of light was lifted up, taken away from their bodies, leaving them only with their “skin”. “Nakedness” And “shame/fear = broken relationship with the Creator!

Adonai made them new clothing, an “animal skin covering” which required the sacrifice and death of an innocent animal. This first material clothing symbolizes our Messiah who died and not only “covered” our sins, but completely “atoned for” them. With physical clothing, Adam and Eve could now have fellowship with the creator again. YHVH looking down at them and seeing the animal skin covering would think of the future covenant of blood of Yeshua.

When my family went to worship at our congregation, we all put on our suit and ties, and mom wore her best dress. Yet today, some come to synagogue or church dressed as if they were going on a walk in the park, or to the beach. I mean, God still sees our hearts, even if we wear a sports shirt or long sleeve shirt with a suit and tie, BUT... if we are going to meet with the KING of Kings, shouldn't we wear our BEST? What would you wear if the president of your nation invited you to his house?

In different Jewish denominations, different clothing is worn, some casual, some dressed up, some only wear “black and white” (Ashkenazim/orthodox). Some wear black and white to be reminded of the destruction of the Temple, others because they are reminded that physically, we are in the state of sin, our bodies are corrupt, yet inwardly, we are like Yeshua, “white” and “Pure” yet only through the blood of Yeshua! Not by our own merit. The priests had their own vestments.

The completely white tunic was worn on Yom Kippur when the Cohen Gadol would enter the “Holy of Holies” to meet with YHVH. Perhaps this completely white tunic reminds us of the white glowing light that must have covered the bodies of Adam and Eve before their sin. We are also reminded that the clothing of Yeshua was “glowing white” when He was on Mt. Tabor when he met with Moshe and Eliyahu. There the three represented the whole Torah! Moshe, the Torah, Eliyahu, the Prophets, and Yeshua, the Brit HaDashah, “The New Covenant”

As you read the parashah chapters and verses, we see the tunic/robe, bonnet, ephod, breastplate, etc., all meaningful. The onyx stones on the priests’ shoulders had the names of the tribes of Israel engraved, the priest would “shoulder the burden” of the nation, taking the animal sacrifices (that represented Yeshua's death) would intercede before YHVH on the nation's behalf. Now, Yeshua intercedes before the Father on our behalf with his “once only” death/sacrifice for all sin for ALL time.

The breastplate would have 12 stones engraved with the names of the tribes of Israel, “Israel was/is next to YHVH's heart! As we are too since we are all part of the Commonwealth of Israel. Two interesting things are the “Urim and Thumim” no one knows exactly what they were, there are suggestions, they might have been two stones which lit up and glowed when the priest would ask YHVH a question, the “Urim and Thumim' (Light and perfections) were placed under the breastplate. When the priest went before YHVH seeking an answer to some judgment concerning the people, the stones would light up “illuminating” the priest with perhaps special wisdom from God, and it would be a “Perfect” response from God.

name of God (Y H V H) on it, and placed inside the breastplate, and then, some think, that the letters of the names of the tribes of Israel that were engraved on the stones, would glow. The priest under the anointing of the Spirit of God, would then put the letters together and would “read” God's answer. But these are just ideas, nothing 100% certain. In heaven, we will discover what the “Urim and Thumim were/are! “

Today, we have the Word of God. YHVH speaks to us through his written Word, but also, through dreams, at times, through other people who are very sensitive to the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, YHVH conveys messages through events in our lives. If we look back in our lives, we can see that YHVH has been right there working and preparing events/people to bring us to where we are now.

In chapter 29, we have the anointing/dedication of Aaron and his sons for the ministry. The sacrifices were a bullock and two rams, unleavened bread with olive oil. All these point to Yeshua, these were clean animals, whose blood symbolizes the blood of our Messiah, just like the unleavened bread, “Yeshua the Bread of Life” and the oil, the “Ruach HaKodesh” a little bit of the blood was placed on Aaron's right ear lobe, right thumb, and on the right toe, the same was done to his sons. What does this symbolize? We could say that as priests, “May they always HEAR, LISTEN TO the voice of God, that they might DO his will, and follow his commandments, and WALK in HIS footsteps, FOLLOWING the path of Torah.

This would be the same expectation of ministers who are anointed as rabbis, chaplains, pastors, priests, etc. that they might always listen to the voice of God, and follow/do his will through his Word, to serve those who are placed under their leadership. We don't use blood today, but we do use anointing oil, so, the next time you might be called to anoint a minister, place some anointing oil on the right ear lobe, on the right thumb, and the right toe, (or on top of the shoe) since most don't use sandals today, (except on Purim).

Chapter 30 talks about the altar of incense, this was made of ****tim wood overlaid with gold, again, the humanity of Yeshua and the purity of HIM who is God. On this altar, the incense was burned, symbolizing our prayers that go up to YHVH as a sweet savor.

A final thought on “clothing” let us “clothe” ourselves in the Spirit of God, so that we might be spiritually controlled. Just as the Ark of the Covenant was “clothed” inside and out by pure gold, we should also be “clothed” inside and out with vestments that are God-honoring. EZEKIEL 43: 10-27 The prophet receives a vision of the heavenly temple, which is an exact replica of the tabernacle and temple on earth. When YHVH gave the instructions to Moshe to make the tabernacle and later, when Solomon built the temple, it was with the plan of the heavenly temple that was in mind. When Yeshua died for our sins, He went up to the Heavenlies and placed his own blood on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, meaning that our sins are forgiven, erased, blotted out forever!MARK 5:1-6:56 This is when Yeshua heals the man who was possessed by demons. There were one thousand demons inside the body of this man since demons are in the spirit world, the physical body is not an obstacle, no, they didn't feel “crowded”. And since the demons have to obey the voice of God, they left, and as we read, they went into the bodies of swine.

we can see how far away some Israelites were, from walking in fellowship and obedience to the Torah, since they herded swine, which was and still is, an unclean animal, unsuitable for eating although many Christians believe the contrary. When the swine took a suicide leap from the cliff into the Sea of Galilee, they told Yeshua to “Leave”! Imagine that, telling “God” that he was not welcome in their city. “Hey, you just ruined our business, get out of here!” well, THEY had no business herding and raising pigs, to begin with. Sheep and goats would have been better.

How do we react when God calls our attention to something, do we tell him to “get away from us?” or do we “welcome” his visit and correct our sinful ways? The man who was demonized, now in his right mind wanted to follow Yeshua, yet Yeshua told him; “go and tell what has happened to you to your family and people”

Even though he wanted to follow Yeshua personally, Yeshua sent him on another mission, to “evangelize and be a living witness” He had credibility, since everyone knew him. YHVH sends each and every one of us has a special mission to fulfill while we are on earth, He has equipped each and every believer with the gifts of the spirit to fulfill our mission. Let us be faithful to HIM who has provided us with such a blessing as eternal life.Sabbath Shalom ...Ben Avraham ]]>
Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/279256-On-light-oil-and-clothing-how-do-they-relate-EX-27-20-30-10
Discussion the name of the deity https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278867-the-name-of-the-deity?goto=newpost Tue, 12 Feb 2019 02:11:25 GMT Is there any other way of translating this name "YHWH" in other scripts of Aramaic or hebrew ]]> Bible Chat primalscript https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278867-the-name-of-the-deity On making offerings unto the LORD; EX 25:1-27:19 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278596-On-making-offerings-unto-the-LORD-EX-25-1-27-19?goto=newpost Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:40:33 GMT Parashah: “T'ruma” (offering)

EXODUS 25:1-27:19............. 1 KINGS 5:12-6:13.......... MARK 3:1-4:41

Gut Shabbos, in this Parashah, we see that a request is made for a “free-will offering” so that the tabernacle can be built and the articles of furnishings for the same. As we remember, when the Israelites left Egypt, they left with quite a treasure which the Egyptians gave them so that they would leave. We could consider this, “back pay” for all the work they had done for four-hundred years.

Egypt had quite a wealth in gold, silver, gems, fine fabrics, etc., and now, Egypt remained poor and in ruins while “B'nei Yisrael” left with the “spoils of war” a war which YHVH fought against the gods of Egypt, and won. So, in a battle, the spoils of war belong to the victor. So, while the Israelites were protected, G-d fought against the demonic entities, in the guise of the “gods of Egypt” Pharaoh included. So, rightly, the riches and spoils of Egypt belong to YHVH, being carried by HIS people.

So, where in the desert are the people going to spend it all? they are just carrying it around, a lot of extra weight and burden might as well put it to good use. The plan is to build a place where YHVH can come down and live with his chosen people. It isn't that YHVH can only live in one place, He is eternal, everywhere, yet He will “rest” with His people, minister to His people right there, visible by a cloud by day and fire by night. The “invisible God” will be “visible” in those two ways.

In “Yitro” The Torah was given to Israel, the marriage “Ketubah” was given in the form of the Ten Commandments, written in stone, In “Mishpatim” “justice” was given, some more commandments explained by YHVH through Moshe, and now, YHVH is saying “Take ME into your life, make ME a place to dwell among you”

Yet first, the people have to gather the materials in order to make HIM a “Mikdash” (Sanctuary) yet more on this word later. The materials would be “freely given” The Word says; “Take for me an offering” (Terumah) yet at the end of the verse, the word is “Terumati” (my offering). Question, is it Israel’s offering, or God’s offering? It is BOTH. Israel gave and God made sure it was enough, and it was “more than enough”.

Remember in the New Covenant when the boy offered 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes. “He gave” and then, Yeshua multiplied the offering, “HE gave BACK”. In the days of Elisha, the widow gave a bit a wheat and oil to make some bread for the prophet, then, GOD through Elisha gave back! Many pots of olive oil were left over, enough to sell and pay off the widow’s debt. Whatever we have to offer, Adonai will bless and double it in only a way that HE will be glorified.

There is also an interesting word in verse 2; “meiet Kol ish” (of every man). Each man would give and offer, a free-will offering. The word “meiet” is really the letter “M” with “ET”. “ET” carries the symbolism of “God of the Covenant” or the “Alef and the Tav”. So, what can we see here? It is that since every man would give a free-will offering, we are reminded that Yeshua, who is the “Alef and the Tav” gave HIMSELF as a free-will offering for sin, once and only once on Calvary’s cross for ALL MANKIND, (Kol ish!). The letter “m” (mem) can mean “of” or “from” it also symbolizes “Mashiach” and “water”. Messiah who is the “Living Water”.

We look at 25:8, there is something interesting; “.and let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them…” thus said Adonai speaking to Moshe. The word “to dwell among” is “Shakhn’ti” and it not only means “to dwell among” it also means “to dwell inside” and that is the way it is today, the “Ruach Elohim” the “Spirit of God dwells “inside” of every born-again believer. God is our “neighbor”. The word “neighbor” in Hebrew is the word; “Shakhein” and we can see those letters in the word “shakhn’ti” the three main letters in the word “Shakhein” are “sheen” “kaph” and “nun” “sh” “k” “n” we can also see those letters “inside” the word “Mishkan” (tabernacle) and the word “Shekinah” (the Shekinah glory) today we know it as the Spirit of God, who dwells inside every believer. So, YHVH is our “neighbor” who dwells inside of us 24-7.

Another word “Tabernacle” is “sanctuary” (Mikdash) Something interesting about this word is that in Hebrew, the word has 4 letters; “m” “k” “d” and “sh” (mem, qof, dalet, sheen). The letter “k” or “Qof” symbolizes “holiness” it is right in the middle of the word. Without the “Qof” we would have the other 3 letters and if one puts the “Sheen” (sh) first, the word would be “Sh +m+d” (Shemed) which means “vanity”. What is the symbolism here? A sanctuary without holiness would be a place for vanity. Without holiness, what else is there besides vanity?

The building project was, one could say, financed by Egypt. For 4 hundred years, Israel worked for a hard taskmaster, “Pharaoh and Company” building edifices dedicated to false gods, now, Israel has a new master, The Creator of the Universe, the Maker of Man, the future “Yeshua Ha Mashiach” A place will be built for HIM to minister to his people, and every piece of furniture will reflect who HE IS.

There are 13 general items for the building project; 1. Gold, 2. Silver, 3. Brass, 4. Blue, purple, and scarlet fabric, 5. Fine linen, 6. Goat’s hair, 7. Ram’s skins, 8. Sealskins, 9. Acacia-wood, 10. Oil, 11. Spices, 12. Onyx stones, 13. Other gemstones. The number “13” in Gematria is the sum of the letters in the word “Echad” which means “ONE in unity”. With those materials, the Mishkan/Mikdash was built, so that Adonai could be ONE with HIS PEOPLE, which now includes all believers. We are all ONE with Messiah Yeshua.

Gold, silver, precious stones, fabric, and wood. Now there is a question, where did the wood come from? Are there any ****tim and Acacia trees in the desert? If one looks at the desert of Saudi Arabia today, even though “google maps” or “google earth” one can see almost no trees, just bare mountains. But we are talking about a desert almost 4000 years ago, it was probably very different, it had to be, remember that the Israelites brought with them cattle, sheep, what are they going to eat? Sand? NO, there had to have been vegetation, trees. They could have cut the trees down in the desert and fashioned them into boards for the “Mishkan” (tabernacle) or they might have brought them out of Egypt, already cut and fashioned, perhaps some of the Egyptian lumber yards just gave them all that, since not all of the Egyptians were rich in gold and silver (just an idea)

This is a “free-will offering” Moshe states, “of every man whose heart maketh him willing”. So it was not forced, it was “of free will”. We know that the people gladly gave, so much that later on, Moshe has to say, “Stop giving already, we have enough”. Can you imagine a pastor or rabbi from a church or synagogue that would say that to his congregation, “OK brothers and sisters, we have enough money for all of our needs, you can stop giving?” I don't think that will ever happen when one gives of his or her time, talent, and treasure, God gives back many times over. Money is like a conduit, it should flow like water through a pipe, to be spread out, no “backlogged”

There are many who hoard money like a squirrel hoards nuts in a tree, no amount in the bank seems to be enough. One rich man was asked, “how much is enough?' he said, “only one dollar more...” and it never ends. Adonai has promised us that He would provide for ALL of our needs, through his abundance in grace, both in spiritual ways, physical, and material ways, if we will only trust Him.

We ask ourselves, what kind of “T’rumot” (offerings) can we “offer up” today? Gold, silver, and bronze? Yes, that would be money, from our paychecks, tithes, and offerings. Fine linen, blue, purple and scarlet threads? Yes, that would be clothing. There are ministries that collect used and new clothing to donate to the poor and needy. I would say, we can offer up almost anything of value to someone in need. But most of all, we can “offer up ourselves” as living sacrifices. We can offer up our abilities to serve, offer up our spiritual gifts since that is why God has given spiritual gifts, to edify the body of Messiah. Now, on to the building project;

So, the building project is started, with “tent of meeting” (The tabernacle/Mishkan) with its wooden boards, bars, clamps, and curtains of linen, the furniture that would go inside; The Brazen Altar, the Brazen Laver, the Menorah, the table of shew-bread, the incense altar, and finally, the Ark of the Covenant, (Aron Ha Kodesh. Each and every one of these pieces reflects who Yeshua is and his finished work on Calvary's cross.

The Ark of the Covenant is mentioned first, made of acacia wood overlaid with gold, both inside and out. Inside this box would be the tables of the Law, the “Torah” It symbolizes the purity and sinlessness of YHVH. The wood; the humanity of Yeshua who was YHVH in the flesh, both God and man. As it was covered with gold inside and out, it symbolizes that we also should be, through the Holy Spirit, “pure” inside and out, both physically, and spiritually, where people can see and where only God can see, inside us. The Torah, God's teaching and instruction to us, is inside the Ark, as the “Living Torah” who is Yeshua is inside of us, and also, his teaching, his “Torah” inside of us, to understand, learn from, and put into action in our daily lives.

The Cherubim that are on top of the Kaporet look down upon the mercy seat, and they remind us of God's Holy Angels that are around us and who protect us. The “Shekinah Glory” the “Holy Presence of YHVH” was on top of the “Kaporet” (the cover) and when the high priest would sprinkle blood on the cover, YHVH would see the blood. The blood on the cover symbolized (before Yeshua) that the sins of man were “covered” for one year, but after Calvary, the sins of all of us were “erased” “wiped away” “blotted out” FOREVER.

The 7 branch Menorah (candlestick) was made of pure gold, with 7 branches, the “perfect number of God” the six branches would extend from the central branch, just like we, believers, depending on the center branch, or “trunk” for our sustenance, there were “6” branches, (number of man) connected to the “7th” main branch. This Menorah symbolizes “Yeshua” as the “Light of the World” and the oil inside it as the “Ruach Ha Kodesh” (The Holy Spirit) We see the “wicks” that are inside the lamps as “believers” who depend on the “oil” (the Ruach HaKodesh) for our continuous growth, as part of the body of Messiah Yeshua.

The table of shew-bread symbolizes Messiah Yeshua as the “Bread of Life” with the 12 loaves of unleavened bread. The bread was to be there, “continuously” the priests would eat the bread on the Sabbath and more bread was placed on the table, so that there would be “always the presence of “the Bread of Life” As believers, the living Torah is our spiritual bread, and we must partake daily of this bread. No wonder Yeshua was born in Bethlehem, yet in Hebrew, the name is “Beit-Lechem” the “House of Bread” Again, the table was made of Acacia wood overlaid with gold, the purity of the sinless presence of God and the humanity of Messiah Yeshua.

Then there is the table of Incense, also made of acacia wood overlaid with gold. This is where coals from the brazen altar were placed, and incense burned. The incense symbolizes our prayers, which go up to Heaven as the sweet-smelling incense smoke also goes up.

The curtains of the tabernacle were to be made of fine linen, with the colors, blue, purple, and scarlet. These colors remind us of “blue skies of heaven above” “purple” (color of royalty, Yeshua the King) and scarlet, (color of blood) reminding us of Yeshua's blood that was shed for all our sins, past, present and future. And of course, the wooden planks that remind us of the humanity of Yeshua.

In the outer court of the tabernacle, there is the brazen altar, made of bronze and filled with water. This is where the priests washed their hands and feet. Bronze symbolizes judgment, imagine when the priests approached the still waters in the bronze laver, they would be able to see their reflection in the water. Imagine that is us looking into a mirror, what do we see? The image of a holy God, yet tainted with sin, we need to judge ourselves, and turn from our sinful ways, repent of our sins, like Yeshua said, “Your sins are forgiven, GO, and SIN NO MORE”.

Finally, there is the brazen altar, which is really the first thing a person would see inside the tabernacle. It symbolizes Yeshua who was judged for our sins. It is made of acacia wood overlaid with bronze. The bronze symbolizes the judgment that Messiah Yeshua went through to pay our sin price. The animal sacrifices were placed on the grills which were on top of the altar. The animals symbolize our Messiah Yeshua, their blood symbolize HIS blood, and the fire symbolizes the “fires of judgment” which Yeshua endured on the cross of Calvary, once and only once. It was sufficient, for our sins, past, present, and future. Let not his sacrifice for sin be for naught. If you have never placed your faith in Yeshua as Messiah, Savior, and LORD, do it now.

1 KINGS 5:12-6:13

The tabernacle was used for many, many years. It followed “B'nei Israel” when they crossed over the Jordan,
but 480 years later, it was replaced by the first temple which Melech Shlomo (King Solomon) built. It must have been magnificent. The Ark of the Covenant and the furniture that were inside the Mishkan were transferred to the new temple. Yet many years later, after the death of Shlomo, the priesthood corrupted themselves, the kings as well. The temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, and the furniture was taken away.

A believer can walk away from God, we can go astray, and the Ruach HaKodesh will call for us, to invite us back into fellowship, yet for how long? Will the Spirit of God call us back indefinitely? Or...like the Spirit of God that finally, “Left” the presence of the Temple, leaving it “Ichabod” just an empty building, can we become like an “empty vessel? Just walking around empty and lifeless?

But just as a believer is capable of going astray and walks away from the presence of God, the believer can also return, and be received with open arms by the Father. One day, the third temple will be built, and the presence of YHVH will be there, and Yeshua will be back to rule the earth. We will be there too, to share in this rule for one thousand years, and then...into eternity.

MARK 3:1-4:41

Here we see Yeshua on the Sabbath, and he heals a man with a withered hand, yet receives criticism from the Prushim (Pharisees). Yet Yeshua explains, “doing a good deed on the Sabbath is permitted” so, YES, if one works, doing a “mitzvah” on the Sabbath is permitted, if it is to bless another, help another, be it to bring medicine for someone who is sick, help repair a hole in a roof (if you see the rain clouds a comin!) .

Yeshua went down to the Lake and more people came to be healed. The Sea of Galilee is a peaceful place to swim in. Just stand in the water and feel the fish nibble at your feet, quite an experience. I swam down about 10 feet in the lake at Tiberias and brought up a ceramic dish. Still have it, a free souvenir. But just looking at the Lake brings back thoughts of Yeshua there 2000 years ago, healing those with illnesses. He still does, and he heals our souls as well.

Shabbat Shalom.

I would like to honor the memory of our departed brother in Messiah, Tommy Chauvini, who offered himself as a “Terumah” to serve in “God’s chosen House” the “House of Yeshua” He served with love and unselfish devotion to make the sanctuary secure and safe, and to help clean and lift heavy things. He also shared his knowledge in natural health-science areas. He will be remembered in our hearts and is still alive in Heaven. He is not a jewel that has been lost, only a jewel which has returned to the Master Jeweler. Where he is we will be someday. ]]>
Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278596-On-making-offerings-unto-the-LORD-EX-25-1-27-19
Is the Tithe a Bondage? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278270-Is-the-Tithe-a-Bondage?goto=newpost Fri, 08 Feb 2019 00:39:55 GMT I have close acquaintances who have given what they call their "Tithe." And I've been aghast that they have felt the need to obligate themselves to an outmoded rule under the Law of Moses. Some even given a tenth of their *Gross Income!* If a business person did this, they could go broke immediately!

I hear everything from God threatened a curse in Malachi to those who didn't pay a tithe to the promise of a 100 fold blessing to those who give. I'm told that we should be charitable, but in the NT Scriptures I don't find anywhere that the Tithe must be paid. I'm excluding here the NT Gospels, which are actually mostly in the OT era.

What I find is that Paul considered the Tithe and the totality of OT regulations as a "bondage." Though the Law of Moses was indeed considered a great blessing, as a temporary reprieve from guilty and punishment, I don't find that it was ever intended to be our ultimate end. It was, as I said, viewed as a "bondage," from which we are now, in the NT, relieved.

To put people under the Tithe is, therefore, a bondage to me. And it causes Christians to be internally dishonest when they claim to be observant in this respect and likely are not. In fact, if Christians were free, they could consider what the actual needs of their church are, and do their equivalent part. Giving may actually go up with more transparency, and with more freedom.

What do you think? Is the Law a bondage or not? ]]>
Bible Chat randyk https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278270-Is-the-Tithe-a-Bondage
Righteousness of the law vs. Righteousness of(by) faith. https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278269-Righteousness-of-the-law-vs-Righteousness-of(by)-faith?goto=newpost Thu, 07 Feb 2019 18:14:26 GMT There are many scriptures that speak about righteousness by the law and righteousness which comes by faith. Here are just a few of many: Verse list: Rom 2:26 KJVTherefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his... There are many scriptures that speak about righteousness by the law and righteousness which comes by faith. Here are just a few of many:

Verse list:
Rom 2:26 KJVTherefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 3:21 KJVBut now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 4:13 KJVFor the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 9:31-32 KJVBut Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 10:4-5 KJVFor Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Gal 2:21 KJVI do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:21 KJVIs the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Phi 3:9 KJVAnd be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

*[[Rom 8:3]] KJV* For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
*[[Rom 8:4]] KJV* That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

These last two verses have a couple points that I would like to see discussed. They are:

1. Condemnation of sin in the flesh, and,
2. Righteousness of the law.

Concerning point #1.

Prior to the coming of Christ. Was there no condemnation of "sin in the flesh"?

Concerning point #2.

It also pertains to before Christ came. The words "might be fulfilled" also implies a change has come about because of the 1st advent. Here is the crux puff the matter. If Paul is equating "righteousness of the law" with the righteousness that comes by faith, then that seems to imply that BEFORE CHRIST CAME, there was no justification by faith. That position should be deemed untenable. Why? Because this would contradict scriptures that says that Abraham was "justified by faith". The words justification and righteousness have the same root word. My point is that the words "might be fulfilled" imply something that is, even today, yet future. So what does Paul mean by this future "righteousness of the law" ?

The PuP ]]>
Bible Chat Pesachpup https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/278269-Righteousness-of-the-law-vs-Righteousness-of(by)-faith
Let’s Say Something Good About Each Other. https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277954-Let’s-Say-Something-Good-About-Each-Other?goto=newpost Tue, 05 Feb 2019 03:18:09 GMT Pick someone you know and respect on BF and say something you like about them. We did this at a retreat from work many moons ago, it was very edifying and fun. Even post on someone you don’t see always eye to, there is always some good in...
Pick someone you know and respect on BF and say something you like about them.

We did this at a retreat from work many moons ago, it was very edifying and fun.

Even post on someone you don’t see always eye to, there is always some good in a brother and sister.

One rule. If some says something about you, you must say something great about another.

Post as as many as you like.

i will start.
Bible Chat bluesky22 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277954-Let’s-Say-Something-Good-About-Each-Other
For Fenris https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277788-For-Fenris?goto=newpost Mon, 04 Feb 2019 03:25:16 GMT Hello friend.:wave:
I hope I'm not making you feel uncomfortable by posting this question publicly. I just didn't want to derail an already detailed thread any further, so I thought I'd start a new one here.

I'm just curious what you think of this. I used to attend a congregation that was lead by Jews who believe Yeshua is the Messiah. As such, they celebrate all of the Jewish holy days. The appointed feast days.

They do this not because they are under the law anymore, but because they believe each feast represents something...or rather someOne greater. The Messiah and His works and timing on earth including the fall feasts which represent His return.

They say many Jews fear losing their roots if they become believers in Yeshua, so this very gentile version of Yeshua that you find in most churches is a problem for the Jewish people. Do you suppose that might be true?

I'm sure you are wise enough to recognize the holy days in our faith, and I am not Jewish, so I can hardly speak on them beyond the Passover. But do you think that celebrating the feast days or keeping Sabbath or kosher puts these messianic believers back under the law? ]]>
Bible Chat Saved7 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277788-For-Fenris
Understanding some of the difficult commandments; EXODUS 21:1-24:18 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277787-Understanding-some-of-the-difficult-commandments-EXODUS-21-1-24-18?goto=newpost Mon, 04 Feb 2019 02:26:14 GMT PARASHA: “Mishpatim” (Judgments)

“Bringing to light the meaning of some difficult mitzvoth”

EXODUS 21:1-24:18...... JEREMIAH 34:8-22, 33:25-26.... MARK 1:1-2:28

About the word "Judgement"; When people think of "judgment" they think of a criminal sentenced to prison by a judge. Yet in the Hebraic sense, it is a decision rendered upon hearing a case, (which might include punishment) yet it is also understanding what a certain commandment means. We would hear a Rabbi mention a commandment, and then discuss its meaning with other rabbis and scholars. They try to make sense of it in light of the present situation, whatever it may be. The commandments have literal meanings and they also have symbolic and spiritual meanings, we must know and have in mind ALL meanings.

This parashah involves the giving of a variety of commandments, that Elohim gave to Moshe to give/write down, and teach to “b'nei Israel” the first has to do with slaves and the treatment of slaves. The system of slavery in Israel back in Biblical times was very much different than the cruel slavery of Africans here in the United States, starting from the 1600s, into colonial days, up until the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

Unfortunately, the slave owners used the bible as a “reason” to own slaves, as they said, “The Bible permits slavery!” Yes, but only in extreme circumstances when one could not pay one's debts. And the person was only a slave for 7 years, in year 7, the master had to release the slave, give the slave gifts of oil, wine, wheat, so he or she could start life over again. The slave could not be abused like slaves were whipped and abused under American slavery. But if the slave wished to remain with the master, the master could make a hole in the slave's ear and put in a ring, indicating that the slave was slave for life, (being the choice of the slave) but “life” was up to 50 years, until the year of “Jubilee” if the slave chose to be with his or her master for “life” and the year, let's say was “40” then, “Life” was 10 years more, and then the slave would be released.

It is interesting to read that the scripture says in Exodus 21:6 “Then his master will bring him before Elohim, and shall bring him to the door or the doorpost and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl”

The word, Elohim, cannot only mean “God” but also, “Those who represent God” perhaps Levites, officials of the Tabernacle, the temple, city, etc. The word “Master” is a form of “Adonai” in this part, it is spelled; “Adonav” (his master). The doorpost was the official place of doing business, like at the county clerk’s office. So the person who loved his master made his love for him official, before “Adonav” (His master) before “Elohim” (God himself and before those who represent Him.

If the slave was hurt in any way, say the master hit the slave and knocked a tooth out, or put an eye out, the slave was to be released immediately, and with compensation. Not so in America during the years of slavery.

Rav Shaul/Paul the Apostle talks about being “bond slaves” to Messiah Yeshua, and that is our state. Would we want to be “released” from following HIM? Would we want to be under a “different master?” There are only two that claim our lives; Yeshua or HaSatan? We were “bought with a price” the price of blood, and we were released from Satan's bondage, to follow and subject ourselves to a new master, “Adonai” which means; “my master” We are “servants” to the Most High God. The Hebrew word for “Slave” and “servant” is the same in Hebrew; “Eved” slaves/servants were not considered “objects of purchase” or “property” they were considered “human beings” just like we are considered in the eyes of YHVH his “servants” “children” “adopted sons and daughters”. Do not sons and daughters serve their parents?

”An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe; (21:24....) if you read on, we see that it doesn't mean, “if you knock out my tooth, I have a right to knock your tooth out too” or “if you blind me in on eye, I have the right to put out your eye” or in modern terminology, “If you break my stereo, I have the right to go into your house and smash your stereo” how, I ask you, does that solve the problem? It doesn't, it just creates more problems. If we look at this situation in light of scripture, it is saying in other words; “just compensation for hurt or damage received”

How would that work? If I broke your arm accidentally or on purpose, I would be responsible for taking you to the doctor and paying the medical bill, and even, paying you “lost wages” if you couldn't work. It doesn't mean that the other guy could break “my arm too”. If you broke my stereo, then I would expect you to either pay to have it fixed, or buy me another one of equal value, (arm for an arm, stereo for stereo, etc.)

We continue to read about many rules, commandments, judgments, that make very good sense, even today, yet many of these judgments are not practiced today, everyone is off to the lawyers for a lawsuit. My opinion is that if the legal system today, was set up to reflect the Biblical standards of criminal justice in accordance to God's Word, there would be a lot less crime. The criminals would think twice before committing crimes. An example would be the following; A man goes to prison for stealing a car, he sells it, spends the money, so the prisoner has to work in prison and the money he would make would be sent to the victim to compensate the loss. His sentence would end only when the sum is completed. Or...the court system would pay the victim the money lost in the theft, and the thief would have to work to pay back the court. This type of punishment would reflect more the Torah standard of criminal justice.

We come now to Exodus 23:19. “You shall bring the first-fruits of thy land unto the House of YHVH, thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk” One commandment does not even reflect the other. It would be like saying, “turn out the lights when you leave the house, hey, don't forget to check the mailbox for mail”. What has one got to do with the other? G-d is saying is saying here to bring your tithe to the House of YHVH but then goes on to a different subject. Would this; “seething a kid in its mother's milk” be taken literally? In order to break this commandment, one would have to take a kid goat, butcher it, cut up the meat, then take the mother goat, milk her, then boil the meat in the mother's milk. Who would go to the trouble to do all that? Today, when people make stew, the meat is usually boiled/seethed in water with condiments, not in milk. But if we look at this commandment in a derashic sense, (the moral and spiritual sense) we could get this understanding;

It may be all about the separation of life and death, of the clean from unclean (Tamei from tahor) good from bad. In “Basar v'chalav” (meat and milk) we can see that the word “Chalav”(milk) spelled in Hebrew is “Chet, Lamed, Beit (ch+l+v) yet the word “fat” is also spelled (ch+l+v) yet pronounced “Chelev” They are related, “milk” is a form of “fat”, and the fat of an animal was offered upon the altar to YHVH, as a “sweet savor” a “pleasant smell” unto YHVH, this was part of the worship service. We worship G-d with our full “heart” and the word “Ch+l+v” contains the letters “lamed” and “beit” (l+v) (Lev) which means “heart” Milk symbolizes “life” a baby is nurtured by its mother's milk to live, to have a life. Yet the flesh (Basar) symbolizes death, as a believer, to be in the “flesh” is the opposite to being “in the spirit, full of life”. Once the animal is cut up, if not used, the flesh sits and rots, flies come around, and it becomes “Tamei” (unclean) when we are in the “flesh” we are in a way of speaking, “unclean” spiritually, until we confess our sins, and become as “milk” (full of life) again, walking in the spirit, and, like the fat of a clean animal, being a “sweet savor unto YHVH” .

This just one way one can look at this prohibition of boiling a kid in its mother's milk, from a Derashic (moral and spiritual) standpoint. (watch “Basar v' Chalav/Meat and Milk” on YouTube “Kehilah Melech Yisrael”)

”if you meet an enemy's ox or his ass going astray, you will bring it back to him again” (Ex 23:4) This is one way to make your enemy, your friend, make peace with him. Would not this be for today as well, of course, it would! “Do not oppress the stranger, seeing you were strangers in the land of Egypt” other bibles say “foreigner” the USA used to welcome all immigrants, now many are being oppressed, being deported, being cheated in wages, we must turn this around and start helping those who come to this country to seek a better life, thus turning a curse into a blessing. If you read from chap 21 to 24, look carefully at the commandments/judgments, you will see that most make perfect sense even unto our modern days. God's Word is right on the money!

JEREMIAH 34:8-22, 33:25-26

Jeremiah is known as the “weeping prophet” because Israel had returned to idolatry, and corruption, YHVH sends him with a message to Israel, “Repent” and “turn from your sins”, one of the sins was to go back on their word. Jeremiah told them that God had said, “release your slaves” since they had not released them after 7 years, they did that, but afterward, they “re-captured” their slaves and returned them to captivity, this is to be “double-minded” for “appearance sake” they released the slaves/servants, but when they thought that “the prophet wasn't looking” they went back on their word. Result? Babylon came and captured Israel! And king Zedekiah was taken to Babylon as a slave.

How well do we as believers respond when someone calls our attention? When we are in the wrong, do we really repent, and turn from our sins? or.... when we think no one is looking, go back to our sins? Our old attitudes, our old “issues?” A thief looks ahead, in back, to the left, to the right, to make sure that no one is looking, but the thief never looks “up”! Yes, our Heavenly Father who is on high is looking down on us all, and observes ALL our actions, even in private, so, we really are NEVER alone! Someone is always watching us.

God, his holy angels, Satan, and his demons, all that are in the spirit realm are always watching our every move. So, make sure our lives are holy, unto God on high.

MARK 1:1-2:28

The talmid/disciple Mark writes about John the Baptist, his ministry to prepare the people for the coming of his cousin, Yeshua, preparing hearts, minds. Baptism was important in Jewish life, it symbolized who was once unclean, is now clean, from “Tamei” to “Tahor”, from “death to life”.

When a born-again believer is baptized, the believer identifies himself or herself with Yeshua in death and life, death, burial, and resurrection. But John was just “preparing” the way for He who is THE WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.

Yeshua is the WAY to eternal life, He is the TRUTH, which is the opposite of lies and deception, and He is LIFE eternal, to those who embrace Him as Savior and LORD.

Yeshua went walking along the Sea of Galilee, and there he invited Kefa and Andrew to come with him, and later, at K’far Nachum (Capernaum) went to the synagogue there and began to teach the people. I thank God that I visited that same synagogue back in 2015 when I went to Israel to serve the IDF with the reserve units. My friend Alon and I went by car to Capernaum, walk around, and visited the part of the lake that served as a dock for the fishing boats, that is probably where Yeshua met Kefa and Andrew.

We are all called by Yeshua through his spirit, to follow him, do we follow Him? or...do we expect HIM to follow US? He teaches us through HIS word, are we listening?

Ben Avraham ]]>
Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277787-Understanding-some-of-the-difficult-commandments-EXODUS-21-1-24-18
Demons https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277549-Demons?goto=newpost Sun, 03 Feb 2019 01:12:00 GMT We have in our Gospel accounts lots demonic activity, I do not want to present my position or even discuss my position, But I've realised I do not understand the position the majority hold on certain key points and until I know and understand peoples positions I cant say I am understanding properly about things.

So please help me out by presenting your point of view on a couple of things and give me a starting point to work on.

1. Who are these demons and where did they come from?

2. In the epistles Jude and Peter wrote, they talk about angels who sinned, but are now in chains, who and where did these come from?

Please provide some scripture with your answers so I can read and follow along with your thoughts. ]]>
Bible Chat boangry https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277549-Demons
Vengeance is mine, I will repay says the Lord. https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277526-Vengeance-is-mine-I-will-repay-says-the-Lord?goto=newpost Sat, 02 Feb 2019 10:19:36 GMT Romans 12:19 (KJB)
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

For those who continue practicing lawlessness, and think you're getting away with the evil you do, the Lord Almighty, Creator of the heavens and the earth, is telling you in this verse, you are eternally wrong.

You store up the wrath of God, to be repaid. And the Almighty will have all of eternity to exact His vengeance on the souls burning in the lake of fire.

Some will have burning coals of brimstone heaped upon their heads for the evil they have done.

Repent, turn from your sinful, wicked ways, and forsake them. Only the righteous will inherit eternal life in the kingdom of heaven. Repent or you will experience eternity unending in the firey furnace of hell. It is written, "where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched". Hell is a place of eternal burning, where a small tormenting worm will never relent. It is written, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever". Hell is a place of eternal torment or torture, punishment throughout billions and trillions of years, countless ages and eons... forever. You will never get out, and you will forever know you are there - in the fire of hell. ]]>
Bible Chat Alert https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277526-Vengeance-is-mine-I-will-repay-says-the-Lord
What God Thinks Of Abortion.. https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277514-What-God-Thinks-Of-Abortion?goto=newpost Fri, 01 Feb 2019 23:59:33 GMT What God Thinks Of Abortion.. It is good to see the genuine outrage over New York’s approval of late term abortions. But it was heartbreaking that we learned that several other states are on track to do the same. However, the push-back... What God Thinks Of Abortion..

It is good to see the genuine outrage over New York’s approval of late term abortions. But it was heartbreaking that we learned that several other states are on track to do the same. However, the push-back seems to be working. In Virginia, a bill in their state legislature was tabled in committee instead of proceeding to a vote.

Chick Publications has long stood against this slaughter of the innocents and we invite you to join the resistance by widely sharing "Who Murdered Clarice?".

Bible Chat Jude https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277514-What-God-Thinks-Of-Abortion
<![CDATA[Professor Sticks; "The Second law of Thermodynamics vs. Evolution".]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/277511-Professor-Sticks-quot-The-Second-law-of-Thermodynamics-vs-Evolution-quot?goto=newpost Fri, 01 Feb 2019 18:13:22 GMT
Professor Sticks; "The Second law of Thermodynamics vs. Evolution".
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NIV's God Changes His Mind about Sarah's Faith
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