Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270

Warning: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in ..../includes/class_bbcode_alt.php on line 1270
BibleForums Christian Message Board - End Times Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Biblical Prophecy, End Time events in News, Middle East, Terrorism, wars and rumors of wars ... 1THESS 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. en Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:13:03 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - End Times Chat https://bibleforums.org/ The Grreat Commission warning https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280902-The-Grreat-Commission-warning?goto=newpost Sat, 16 Mar 2019 05:43:52 GMT Following is a portion of the Olivet Discourse from the 3 synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. They refer to the proclamation of Christ's Gospel, which at that time had been limited to Israel. But now it apparently was to go out to the whole word, not just because Jews had been scattered out among the nations in the diaspora, but also because the Gospel was going to be given to the Gentile nations, as well.

Often it is thought that this proclamation of an international Gospel was to be the measure of time leading to Christ's Coming and the end of the age. But it was more than that. It was a clear mandate to expand the gospel from Israel to other nations. It was to be a universal application of the Gospel, and not just a 2000 year effort to reach every person in the world. The focus was more on the immediate applicability of the Gospel to all nations, rather than an age-long effort to reach the world with the good news.

Even more, this was a message styled after the ministry of Jonah, who did not bring good news to Nineveh, but rather, was sent to warn that city of imminent judgment. In the same way, Jesus was sending his apostles out to warn the world of approaching judgment, not just for Israel but for all nations, who would not respond to the warnings contained in the Gospel.

How do I know this? One, Jonah was sent out with a warning to a wicked civilization. And the Gentile nations, to whom Jesus sent his apostles, were likewise wicked and pagan. The Gospel was designed to warn them that this wickedness, if continued, would lead to judgment, just as it would happen to Israel in 70 AD.

Secondly, consider the context of these gospel versions, and you will notice that the nations are viewed as guilty of persecuting God's apostles. Not only would Jews persecute Jesus' disciples, but foreign nations would do the same. The Gospel they preached provided a means of repentance, should they be willing to participate in it, just as Nineveh did.

Matt 24.9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Mark 13.9 You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.

Luke 21.12 But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

So, you see that the Gospel was a message of judgment, repentance, and salvation. If salvation and repentance were rejected, judgment would follow.

And this judgment could take place at any time in a nation's history, when the sins were filled up. Israel's sin were full in the time of Christ, and their nation was destroyed within a generation. Roman civilization suffered a mortal wound in 476 AD, even though many in that civilization had become Christians. There was still serious corruption in the Empire.

And for the nations that have risen in history, the same fate awaits, when nations fail to take heed to the Gospel. But there is clearly an end date for this process of the Gospel, and that is at the Coming of Christ. That is when opportunity to repent for nations in the present age will come to an end.

If you see this differently, let me know? ]]>
End Times Chat randyk https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280902-The-Grreat-Commission-warning
Information What and when is the thousand years? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280872-What-and-when-is-the-thousand-years?goto=newpost Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:16:52 GMT * This is a study I did a few years ago it looks longer than it is Introduction* There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is...
This is a study I did a few years ago it looks longer than it is

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is this biblical? Does the bible actually say that? If this is true there are so many unanswered questions and assumptions, for example…

Does the 1000 year binding of satan and the 1000 year reign of the saints start and end at the same times?

If Jesus is living on the earth during the 1000 years, why is it not mentioned anywhere in the Bible including in the book of Revelation.

Where does Jesus go when satan is released?

Why do so many people turn against Jesus when satan is released?

Wouldn’t this mean that Jesus reign failed as at the end of his 1000 year earthly reign millions of people turn against him within a short period of time?

There are many more questions but we first need to investigate what the reigning and binding actually are and when they happen to get to those answers.

Are the time lines of each 1000 years the same?
Revelation chapter 20 does not mention Jesus living on the earth or even that it is a time of peace. These assumptions are added to the text because people don’t understand what the reigning and binding are. Is the reigning only because of the binding of satan? If so we must see if both timelines match up.

The 1000 year binding
Satan’s binding for 1000 years starts in Revelation chapter 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Satan’s 1000 year binding ends in verse 7.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

The 1000 year reign starts in verse 4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years

The 1000 year reign ends in verse 12
. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

We know that the reign ends here in verse 12 because verse 5 tells us
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection

These are not the same timelines they don’t match up. Satan is released from his binding just before he deceives the nations again and makes his last attempt to wipe out the church before being cast into hell. The reign ends on the judgment day when the rest of the dead comes back to life (see verse 5 above) which is after satan is finally dealt with by God. We clearly see here that the reigning isn’t because of the binding of satan because they are not the same timelines.

What is the binding of Satan?
The bible only says that Satan is bound from deceiving the nations it doesn’t say he is bound from doing any evil. I believe that Satan is bound spiritually by the power of the Holy Spirit from deceiving the nations because of the proclamation of the gospel to the world .When people hear who Jesus is and what He did for them through the gospel and accept Jesus as their savior the Holy Spirit enters them.
When the day of Pentecost came, the church grew at a great rapid speed for hundreds of years and millions of people were saved from all of the nations. Paul stated more than once that the gospel was spread throughout the whole earth during his time which was only about 20 to 30 years after the day of Pentecost. Doesn’t that sound like satan was bound from deceiving the nations as he was losing ground?

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 tells us that Satan’s power is held back during Paul’s time.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

I believe that Satan was bound on the day of Pentecost as the Holy Spirit came into the world through the saints. Jesus now reigns over heaven and earth as satan was cast out of heaven. The nations would now learn that they are co heirs with Israel, we are all one body in Christ.

Revelation 12:10-12

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”

Satan can no longer accuse us before the throne because Christ has made us perfect

Hebrews 10:14
For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

In Luke 4:5-6 Satan declares that the nations are his. This was before the death and resurrection of Jesus
.
5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

The nations of the world had not heard about Jesus until the gospel was spread by the apostles. Now they can choose not to be deceived by Satan anymore because the gospel was preached to the whole world.

We are told that the gospel is preached to the whole world in Colossians 1:23

23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Titus 3:3-7 shows us that we were once deceived but now the Holy Spirit has saved us.

3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

Colossians 1:24-27

24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. 25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people.

Paul states above that a great mystery has been revealed which is Christ in us. This mystery was hidden for ages and generations but now satan is bound from deceiving us if we choose because of the gospel which reveals this mystery.

Ephesians 3:2-11
2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord

In Ephesians 3:1-11 Paul teaches us that he is to reveal a mystery that was kept from past generations which is that the gentile nations are also heirs together with Israel. This mystery was revealed by the Holy Spirit through the gospel. It was hidden in the past ages but now it is to be made known to the rulers and authorities of the heavenly realms.

Matthew 16:15-20
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

In Matthew 16:15-20 Peter declares that Jesus is the Christ the son of God. Jesus then tells Peter that He will build His on church on Himself and hell will not overcome it. Peter is given the keys to heaven and told that whatever he binds or loosed on earth will also be bound and loosed in heaven. The church also has this same power we have the same Holy Spirit. This shows us that the binding is spiritual and so is the loosened from our sins. I think this shows us that the great chain in Revelation 20:1 is the power of the Holy Spirit through the spreading of the gospel through the church.

The 1000 year reign of the saints

I believe that the 1000 year reign starts as each individual Christian dies and it is not limited to the ones who were beheaded. If we take the 1000 year reign literally in Revelation chapter 20 then only the saints beheaded will come back to life and reign. Stephen the first martyr would not come back to life and reign because he was stoned to death either would Peter who was crucified. John, who this vision was given to, would not reign either as we believe that he died of natural causes but Paul would come back to life and reign because he was beheaded. The literal interpretation would not make sense in this case.

I believe that this resurrection in Revelation chapter 20 shows us that we will reign with Jesus after death and it was given to encourage the church.

When are we resurrected?

I believe that we are spiritually resurrected when we accept Jesus as our savior and also resurrected when we die as Christians as Paul taught below in

Romans 6:3-13
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.

Paul also taught us that we are already alive with Christ in the first spiritual resurrection even when we were dead in sin and that we have been (past tense) raised up with Christ in

Ephesians 2:4-6
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

The bible and Jesus taught that we are alive right after we die.

Luke 23:43
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

John 11:21-26
21 “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

John 5:21-25
21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal lifeand will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

Some people were physically reserected around the time of Jesus death and reserection

Matthew 27:51-53
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

With these examples above how could the beheaded ones in Revelation 20:4 come to back to life at the same time? We die at different times. I believe that the verses which I quoted above prove that a literal interpretation in revelation chapter 20 in wrong.

The rest of the dead
I believe that the rest of the dead are the ones who died and didn’t accept Jesus as there savior. They are the ones before the throne who came back to life after the 1000 year reign.

Is 1000 years literally a 1000 years in Revelation chapter 20?
Many times in the bible 1000 is not literally 1000 but means many. Here are some examples.

Exodus 20:6
but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments

Psalms 50:10
for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.

Deuteronomy 1:11

May the Lord, the God of your ancestors, increase you a thousand times and bless you as he has promised!

2 Peter 3:8

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day

Is Jesus living on the earth in during the 1000 year reign?
Revelation chapter 20 doesn’t actually say that Jesus is living on the earth with us, could Jesus live on our earth in all his glory?

1 kings 8:27
27 “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house that I have built?

If Jesus was living on the earth where is He when satan is released? It says that Satan surrounds the camp of His people not that satan surrounds Jesus and the camp of His people.
If Jesus was on the earth but not when the camp is surrounded by satans people when did He ascend back up to heaven? Would a second ascension of Jesus be missed in the bible? Wouldn’t that seem like Jesus abandoned His people? If the people satan deceives when he is released is numbered like the sand on the sea shore why would so many people turn on Jesus when this happens? That would seem like a failed physical reigning.

These unanswered questions and the absence of Jesus being on the earth in Revelation chapter 20 is one reason that I don’t believe Jesus has a literal 1000 year reign on the earth.

Peace on the earth
Although the word peace is absent from Revelation chapter 20 a lot of Christians believe that there will be 1000 years of peace upon the earth because of times described in the old testament like

Isaiah 11:6-9
6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.

And
Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.

At first this could describe peace in the literal sense but if we look into the proper meaning of this, we will get the true interpretation of these scriptures.

When you read the entire chapter of Isaiah 11 you will see that the entire chapter is talking about Jesus and the first advent. But when did these animals live peacefully with each other?

To find the answer we need to understand the meaning of the animals and we can look to Jeremiah talking about Israel’s enemies.

Jeremiah 5:6
Therefore a lion from the forest will attack them,
a wolf from the desert will ravage them,
a leopard will lie in wait near their towns
to tear to pieces any who venture out,
for their rebellion is great
and their backslidings many.

Israel’s enemies are described as Lions, leopards and wolves. Israel is always described as a clean animal and we see above in Isaiah 65 that the clean animals and the unclean animals live peacefully together also unclean animals live with other unclean animals.

Paul confirms that Jesus’ time was the times of Isaiah 11 in

Romans 15:12
12 And again, Isaiah says,
“The Root of Jesse will spring up,
one who will arise to rule over the nations;
in him the Gentiles will hope.”

Since Isaiah chapter 11 was the time of Jesus’ first coming we now see that He brought the clean and the unclean animals together as the gospel went out to all the nations. In Acts chapter 10 we see what Peter was told to do

Acts 10:11-15
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

We see here that God removed the barriers and the gospel was to be shared with the gentiles they would not be deceived anymore the lion now lay with the lamb. This is the time of true peace when the rock cut out of the mountain in Daniel chapter 2 would now fill the whole earth.

This is not to say that there were no more wars we know from history that there has always been wars but there is true inner peace and now all nations can live as one true church from every nation which is referred to in,,,

Revelation 5:9
9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

And Revelation 7:9
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Many Christians believe that Isaiah chapter 65 speaks of the time of peace on the earth I believe that this is a mistake. Isaiah 65 speaks of the times when the Lord was angry with the Jewish nation and then the gentile nations were brought into the church during the first century as they were blended in with the believing Jews.

Isaiah 65 also mentions God blessing the believing gentiles and judging the unbelieving Jews which I believe to of happened in the year 70AD when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans.

Isaiah 65 then goes on to say that what was taken away from the unbelieving Jews will not be taken away from the church and that we will have everlasting life as the Wolfe (gentiles) now lies with the lamb (Jews). They will feed together they will live in peace as one body in Christ within the church.

When the angle announced in
Luke 2:14
Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

He wasn’t talking about no more wars but the true inner peace that Jesus brings us.

Future temple and sacrifices
Some Christians believe that there will be a future temple and a sin sacrifice during the 1000 years and believe that it was taught in the Old Testament is this biblical?

Hebrews 10:18
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

Hebrews 7:27
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

Paul states above that there is no more need for a temple or sacrifices. Jesus has paid the price once and for all. A future sin sacrifice would be a rejection of Jesus and all what He has done.

Satan’s release
When will satan be released and when may be the time that the earth will be destroyed?

The Holy Spirit works through the church but the church needs to be actively doing God’s work. In the book of Geneses we see how the faithful due to conforming to the unfaithful, reduced over time to just one person Noah. That was when God destroyed the earth with the flood. Two thousand years ago the church grew at an amazing speed and reached the whole earth but now the percentage of Christians seems to be dwindling over the last 100 or so years, as some of the church seems to be conforming to the ways of the world. The conforming of the faithful was the only time God destroyed the world, back in Noah’s day. It would seem to be the same reason that God will destroy the world by fire in the future.

I don’t believe that God will destroy the world just because it’s so evil, it has always been evil, even now over one million babies are aborted each year by their parents for selfish reasons. I think that alone would be enough evil for God to destroy the world. I believe God will destroy the world when the number of people to be saved has been completed and the church is reduced in numbers like we see is happening today. People are having fewer children these days, including Christians, which leads to less people learning about God. In the past century or so, in what was thought to be Christian nations, most people went to church but in our time, it is about 20% and getting lower as years go by.

I believe that we may be in the time of satan’s release, the little season, as we are being out numbered and satan’s people seems to be surrounding us, the city God loves. The church only grows when the Holy Spirit moves in the actions of His people, that is still happening today but on a smaller scale. Many Christians are conforming to the ways of the world and have become complacent in their busy lives. Could we be allowing satan to gain ground in our world? We need to study more and know our bibles better so we can share it with the people in our lives because it reveals God’s message to the world. We need to keep praying for opportunities to share the gospel with the unsaved people that God places in our lives.

Summary
I believe that the scriptures prove that we are in the 1000 year reign now and that we could be in the time of satans release, his little season. I believe that satan has been bound from deceiving the nations since the day of Pentecost. What would be the reason for a literal 1000 year reign on the earth with a binding of satan only to have him be released to rec havoc on the earth again? There is no purpose for it as it doesn’t seem to line up with the message of the bible which is the promise of salvation to all who believe in Christ Jesus as there lord and savior.

Not once in the New Testament did Jesus nor any of the apostles teach that Jesus will reign literally on the earth for 1000 years in a time of peace. ]]>
End Times Chat marty fox https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280872-What-and-when-is-the-thousand-years
Do anyone receive immortality at the GWTJ? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280851-Do-anyone-receive-immortality-at-the-GWTJ?goto=newpost Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:38:08 GMT Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:... Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

GWTJ is meaning great white throne judgment, in case some are not familiar with that abbreviation.


The book of life is mentioned. The book of life obviously involves those who will put on immortality. But at this judgment, it being opened, is the reason in order that some standing there will put on immortality at the time? For the sake of argument, let's say it is. What about the following then?

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Don't these put on immortality once the dead in Christ rise first, and when we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord? What of any of that matches with anything seen in Revelation 20:11-15 though?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Does the judgment seen in Revelation 20:11-15 involve, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed? Let's say it does. What about those still alive when Christ returns? How do they physically die in order to be resurrected from the dead so that they too can be standing in front of God at the GWTJ?

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Which group below would any of these be standing in at the GWTJ?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God

the sea gave up the dead which were in it

death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them


So how do any of the dead put on immortality at the GWTJ if none of it involves 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 nor 1 Corinthians 15:51-57? What other Scriptures would prove that some put on immortality at the GWTJ? One of the reasons it is assumed some do is because the book of life is opened at this judgment. But if some at this judgment put on immortality at this judgment, and that others have already put on immortality prior to this judgment, thus Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, why didn't the former simply put on immortality at the last trump like some others do? ]]>
End Times Chat divaD https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280851-Do-anyone-receive-immortality-at-the-GWTJ
Re-examining the Millennial Kingdom https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280841-Re-examining-the-Millennial-Kingdom?goto=newpost Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:00:22 GMT It has occurred to me that the concept and makeup of the Millennial Kingdom require a closer look. Matters arising from another OP has forced me to really question what the Millennium entails, it's composition, etc. Generally, we all accept that it is a thousand-year earthly reign of Christ with his saints on earth, with Jerusalem as capital where the Lord will pitch his Throne.

That said, what is the Millennium Kingdom?


  • Will it cover the whole earth or just Israel and Jerusalem?
  • The majority (myself included) believe that the New Jerusalem [the holy city] will descend at the inception of the MK. I recognise that some disagree with this view and believe that it will come down after the 1000 years are over.
  • From Isaiah 65:20 we learn that death will occur in the Millennium. Yet in Rev 21 and 22 we learn also that death and sorrow will not be found in the holy city.


Rev 22:14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. 15Outside [the holy city/New Jerusalem] are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

If wickedness, sin and death are found outside the holy city - what then do we understand by "outside" of the holy city? I would say it denotes the rest of the world as we know it. Consequently, it begs the question, is the rest of the world at that time be part of the Millennial Kingdom or not?

For those who deny that the holy city will start from the beginning of the Millennium, how do they explain a scenario where no boundary exists between Jerusalem where Jesus and his saints dwell and the rest of the world with its inherent evil and wickedness? At least in Rev 21:12-21, we know that the holy city will have gates (as a demarcation from the rest of the world) with angels presumably to keep reprobate freeloaders at bay.

Your thoughts are welcome. ]]>
End Times Chat Trivalee https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280841-Re-examining-the-Millennial-Kingdom
The Destruction of this Planet https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280820-The-Destruction-of-this-Planet?goto=newpost Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:38:26 GMT *The Destruction Of This Planet. *Not going to happen: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.... The Destruction Of This Planet. Not going to happen:

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the Day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 2 Peter 3:10-12

In this prophecy, it seems that there is coming a day when God is going to destroy the Earth by fire. But is that what is really meant here? Many think these three verses say that God will totally destroy the world.
If God is going to destroy the Earth, then it really doesn’t matter what we do with the natural resources of the planet. And if we use up a resource that causes a plant or animal species to go extinct, who cares if God is going to remove the whole planet anyway and take us to heaven, right? Well, let’s look into this:
If it can be shown that Peter is not prophesying the literal destruction of the Earth here, then it abrogates any theological argument that God will one day actually eliminate this world, whether by fire or any other means.

N.T. Wright gives this commentary regarding the passage in question from 2 Peter:
‘Here, at the end of this passage, we have a statement which in older translations of the Bible came out one way, but which, with all the biblical manuscripts we now have, certainly should be changed. In the older versions, this passage ends with the warning that ‘the earth and all the works on it will be burned up.’ A cosmic destruction: the end of the physical world! Is that really what Peter wrote?
In some of the best manuscripts of the New Testament, including two of the very best, the word for ‘will be burned up’ isn’t there. Instead, there is a Greek word which means ‘will be found’, or ‘will be discovered’, or ‘will be disclosed’. Perhaps ‘will be found out’ would be a better way of getting at the truth of the meaning.
What I believe has happened is this: Several early scribes, faced with ‘will be found’, thought to themselves, ‘That can’t be right! It makes no sense! Surely he meant “will be burnt up”. And so the translators put in their opinion’.

And look at the difference it makes! In conformity with the rest of the New Testament, Peter is not saying that the present world of space, time and matter is going to be burnt up and destroyed. The REBible says: .....brought to judgment.
What will happen, as many early Christian teachers said, is that actual literal fire will come upon the whole earth, as so comprehensively prophesied throughout the Bible, not to totally destroy, but to test everything out and to purify it by burning up the Lord’s enemies, Malachi 4:3, and to test His people; 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The earth will remain forever; Eccl 1:4, Ephesians 3:21, Psalms 78:69, Isaiah 45:18
Peter’s concern throughout the letter is with the judgment of humans for what they have done, not with the rest of Creation, although it seems that much will be dramatically changed on the forthcoming great and terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery vengeance and wrath and the world will never be the same again. Zephaniah 3:8 ]]>
End Times Chat Keraz https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280820-The-Destruction-of-this-Planet
Hooks In Their Jaws: God Brings Gog And Magog To The Mid-East https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280645-Hooks-In-Their-Jaws-God-Brings-Gog-And-Magog-To-The-Mid-East?goto=newpost Sat, 09 Mar 2019 09:37:06 GMT As we speak, the Magnetic Nortth Pole is moving at a modest 55 kilometers per year toward Russia. If this were to continue long enough, Lake Baikal could become, conceiveably, the Magnetic North Pole. Would Russia be able to (pardon the pun) weather... As we speak, the Magnetic Nortth Pole is moving at a modest 55 kilometers per year toward Russia. If this were to continue long enough, Lake Baikal could become, conceiveably, the Magnetic North Pole. Would Russia be able to (pardon the pun) weather it? Or, would Russia become a frozen wasteland? It's military and government forced to move south, and occupy Syria? ]]> End Times Chat dan https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280645-Hooks-In-Their-Jaws-God-Brings-Gog-And-Magog-To-The-Mid-East Discussion Revelation: MULTIPLE VISIONS https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280642-Revelation-MULTIPLE-VISIONS?goto=newpost Sat, 09 Mar 2019 07:29:42 GMT Some claim Revelation unfolds in sequence, each chapter being fulfilled sequentially. They therefore think that the 7 seals occur before the 7 trumpets and before the 7 bowls of wrath. On the contrary I shall show that Revelation contains multiple... Some claim Revelation unfolds in sequence, each chapter being fulfilled sequentially. They therefore think that the 7 seals occur before the 7 trumpets and before the 7 bowls of wrath. On the contrary I shall show that Revelation contains multiple visions about the Final Tribulation and the Second Coming and Day of the Lord. We can then revisit the 7 seals and the 7 trumpets.

Rev 1 to Rev 3 is a vision of Jesus. Rev 1:7 mentions the second coming. Then Jesus tells John about the 7 churches, but keeps mentioning the second coming here and there.

Rev 4/5 scene in heaven preceding Rev 6/7 the 7 seals (will chat about this later)

Rev 8/9/10/11 are about the 7 trumpets (will chat about this later)

Rev 12 contains 3.5 years of Satans wrath - THE FINAL TRIBULATION

Rev 13 contains 3.5 years of the Beast's reign - THE FINAL TRIBULATION

Rev 14:9-12 is about the second coming. Then the winepress of wrath is mentioned in v17-20 outside Jerusalem. This winepress of wrath is mentioned in Rev 19:15 in second coming context. It is also mentioned in Joel 3, just outside Jerusalem in Jehosaphat, in Day of The Lord context. (SECOND COMING)

Rev 15/16 are about the bowls of wrath, referring to the final battle and final great earthquake (TRIBULATION AND SECOND COMING)

Rev 17/18 are about symbolic Babylon, but even these chapters mention the final beast and the ten horns, showing that the destruction of Babylon occurs during the beast's reign. (TRIBULATION CONTEXT)

Rev 19 is about the second coming (SECOND COMING)

In conclusion then, the book of Revelation does not unfold consecutively as some claim, but contains multiple visions about the tribulation and the second coming. It is often fulfilled SIMULTANEOUSLY and not consecutively, containing various visions about the events before the second coming. ]]>
End Times Chat DurbanDude https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280642-Revelation-MULTIPLE-VISIONS
666 - Identity Theft https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280632-666-Identity-Theft?goto=newpost Fri, 08 Mar 2019 18:56:02 GMT 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is... 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

What is the name of the beast? Who is this man?

Let's review his characteristics. He is likened unto a lamb with two horns whom does great wonders and power over the life of men and provides a "mark" for all his followers. Umm, if we did not know these words were from Rev 13 we would say this man is Christ! We know that this man is trying to imitate Christ.

So then if he is trying to imitate Christ we he not use his name? Identity theft at the highest level.

Does 666 relate to Christ? No way possible everything we have seen in the movies and read is that 666 is an evil number, is it really? What does scripture have to say?

666 and the measurements of the temple (image)

Dan 3
3 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

So what we see here in Daniel is the same events in Rev 13. An image of gold set up and the world is to worship. Those who do not are killed. The image of the beast in Rev 13 is also to be worshipped and those who do not are killed likewise. The most interesting is that the image Nebuchadnezzar sets up has height of 60 and width of 6 which just so happens to be the last two numbers of 666.

Did you know the measurements of the door to the temple are 60X6 cubits.

Now what or whom does the door in the temple represent? Christ himself. Not only is he the door he represents the entire temple. As such the prophets established this fact building such to be in the presence of God.

John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

How about the 600? What does that represent?

The narrow pathway to the holy of holies is 6X100 cubits in length. Christ is the door and the way to life!


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The image of the beast is the temple


As I have pointed out the image which is built unto the beast is a temple. In times past as in this occasion a temple is built wherein they can be with whom they think is God and worship. 666 are the measurements of the temple. The temple has always been an image of God. We even have fire called down to earth which comes into the temple wherein it speaks as in times past.

What we see here in Revelation 13 and the 666 is the ultimate identity theft of a name. ]]>
End Times Chat ross3421 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280632-666-Identity-Theft
origin of the 7 sealed scroll? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280342-origin-of-the-7-sealed-scroll?goto=newpost Tue, 05 Mar 2019 06:28:44 GMT This is pure speculation, but I'm wondering if the origin of the 7 sealed scroll in Rev 5 comes from Dan 12?

Rev 5.1
Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.

Dan 12.
4
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end.

2ndly, are the 4 horsemen representative of angelic powers, since the 4 living creatures open the 1st 4 seals?

Finally, are these 4 horsemen representative of divine judgment, such as when God sent armies against Israel to judge her? Is this beginning with the Roman Empire, as it conquered that part of the world? Or, is this about the end of the age, when God brings about final judgment to the earth?
]]>
End Times Chat randyk https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280342-origin-of-the-7-sealed-scroll
Where has the all the gold gone? A future deception? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280336-Where-has-the-all-the-gold-gone-A-future-deception?goto=newpost Mon, 04 Mar 2019 23:15:42 GMT There has been massive amounts of gold which have gone missing thru the years; Germany WW2, Gold act Ft. Knox, 911 Twin Towers (probably not aware a large cache of gold was housed under the building which went missing after the attack), and the... There has been massive amounts of gold which have gone missing thru the years; Germany WW2, Gold act Ft. Knox, 911 Twin Towers (probably not aware a large cache of gold was housed under the building which went missing after the attack), and the latest perhaps nearly a trillion from an Indian religious site. And perhaps others.

Where is this gold?

Now, I have a thought. Where will the gold originate to ordain the next temple and the city (not to mention stones and pearls)? You need a billion dollars of gold for just the temple and who knows of much for the city...…and will this city also have streets of gold as well? It should.

Rev 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:


So is it possible that alternate reasons for these events is also to accumulate gold thereby enabling the future decking this city and temple for deception upon the world? ]]>
End Times Chat ross3421 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280336-Where-has-the-all-the-gold-gone-A-future-deception
Raptured to heaven? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280190-Raptured-to-heaven?goto=newpost Sat, 02 Mar 2019 14:33:10 GMT Cant seem to find any scriptures saying we go to heaven at the rapture event. Can any of you Rapturist show me one place in scripture that actually says thats where we are going? Cant seem to find any scriptures saying we go to heaven at the rapture event. Can any of you Rapturist show me one place in scripture that actually says thats where we are going? ]]> End Times Chat BOWnQUIVER https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280190-Raptured-to-heaven A new chiasstic method for deciphering Revelation 12 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280171-A-new-chiasstic-method-for-deciphering-Revelation-12?goto=newpost Fri, 01 Mar 2019 12:48:39 GMT I have an article that shows how the text of Revelation 12 can be Chiastically rearranged to arrive at a coherent reconfiguration . This is done using a new technique called the functional chiasmus Some conclusions: Revelation 12 is an... I have an article that shows how the text of Revelation 12 can be Chiastically rearranged to arrive at a coherent reconfiguration . This is done using a new technique called the functional chiasmus

Some conclusions:
Revelation 12 is an interweaving of 3 events .
  • The Fall of Satan from heaven
  • The escape of the Jewish Christians to the mountains when the Romans attacked Jerusalem
  • The return of Christ.




The full post can be found at http://svetasv.com/aa/1007_Revelation_12.html

I have similar posts on the "Seventy weeks of Daniel" and the "Olivet Discourse" that can be found here:
http:/svetasv.com ]]>
End Times Chat svetasv https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280171-A-new-chiasstic-method-for-deciphering-Revelation-12
Image of the Beast IS the next temple built with hands in a city made without https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280168-Image-of-the-Beast-IS-the-next-temple-built-with-hands-in-a-city-made-without?goto=newpost Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:39:03 GMT The Image of the Beast made with hands

I would like to highlight the word "make" and "to" or "for" the beast as most are understanding that this image is OF the beast and reflects evil. The image is however not OF the beast which is very important to understand. The image is to reflect the image of God as the folks on earth believe they are worshiping not a beast but God himself. Thus as in time past they build a temple and alter to worship.

Rev 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Fire called down from heaven

Rev 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

This is not just some magic trick. This fire which comes down from above then goes into this temple whereby then an audible voice will speak from the alter holy of hollies. Sound familiar.

2 CHRON 7
1 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the Lord filled the house.
2 And the priests could not enter into the house of the Lord, because the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord's house.
3 And when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

Same thing happens in Rev 13 however as deception. Fire comes down into the temple (image) then speaks from the throne and all the world worships the beast whom they think is the almighty God. And then the beast gives out his MARK as God will do the same to his followers.

The city made without hands


Now not only do you have one claiming to be God whom has the appearance as God sitting in the temple, the main delusion is the city itself wherein the temple is located. The city wherein the temple will be built is the city MADE WITHOUT hands. You may say how is this possible? Well the woman (city) in Rev 12 does come down to earth a 42 month end time period and will be inhabitant by the gentiles.

Rev 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Strong Delusion

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Not only sitting in the temple of God but from within a city made without hands. ]]>
End Times Chat ross3421 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280168-Image-of-the-Beast-IS-the-next-temple-built-with-hands-in-a-city-made-without
Discussion Will the Jews build a Third Temple? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280096-Will-the-Jews-build-a-Third-Temple?goto=newpost Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:32:53 GMT I came across this:
"This second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus. Today, many orthodox Jews long to re-establish the temple and its ancient systems, including the sacrifices. Some even hope that the story of Cyrus will be repeated by a modern ruler.


These Jews took great encouragement when Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election in the United States because they remembered his promise to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. They also note that Russian leader Vladimir Putin has expressed a desire for the temple to be restored. “We are poised to rebuild the Temple,” said Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for a group called the Nascent Sanhedrin"..The third temple prophecy ]]>
End Times Chat hobie https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280096-Will-the-Jews-build-a-Third-Temple
Would not the city rebuilt in Dan 9:25 be the same city destroyed the 70th week https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280089-Would-not-the-city-rebuilt-in-Dan-9-25-be-the-same-city-destroyed-the-70th-week?goto=newpost Wed, 27 Feb 2019 23:10:32 GMT Dan 9 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to *restore and to build Jerusalem* unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the *street *shall be built again, and the... Dan 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

Thus the commandment to restore Jerusalem wherein the street and wall are built is of the same city in the next verse which will be destroyed. Does it makes sense to introduce two different cities in consecutive verses? No rather Jerusalem is the city destroyed in verse 26. What city is mentioned destroyed? Babylon. Jerusalem is Babylon.

In addition, would not the "street" built in verse 25 the same street mentioned in Rev 11 and the city standing in the 70th week. And we see the reference to Jerusalem.

Rev 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. ]]>
End Times Chat ross3421 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280089-Would-not-the-city-rebuilt-in-Dan-9-25-be-the-same-city-destroyed-the-70th-week