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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Growing in Christ https://bibleforums.org/ 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing. en Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:15:16 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - Growing in Christ https://bibleforums.org/ the mind of Christ and denying self https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280839-the-mind-of-Christ-and-denying-self?goto=newpost Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:42:01 GMT I want to help encourage anyone on denying self and taking up our cross daily and follow Jesus. But this feels troublesome when we are to deny self and fear what all we are to or may have to give up. But let this encourage you on what you gain when... I want to help encourage anyone on denying self and taking up our cross daily and follow Jesus. But this feels troublesome when we are to deny self and fear what all we are to or may have to give up. But let this encourage you on what you gain when you deny self; you exchange your mind for the mind of Christ in you. Our own minds are selfish, self centered and riddled with trouble, anxiety, fear, depression, unstable, etc. But to focus on Christ himself and his mind in you; there is no instability in the mind of Christ, no worries, no fears, no anxiety, no depression, no confusion. His mind is holy and perfect and good in every good way. ]]> Growing in Christ Mr King https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280839-the-mind-of-Christ-and-denying-self Holy Spirit encounter? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280831-Holy-Spirit-encounter?goto=newpost Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:59:39 GMT I hope this is the place for this but my girlfriend an I split up due to long distance and it wasnt by my choice. Needless to say that several days later, she was still on my mind. The love I had for her was just pouring out of my soul as I... I hope this is the place for this but my girlfriend an I split up due to long distance and it wasnt by my choice.

Needless to say that several days later, she was still on my mind. The love I had for her was just pouring out of my soul as I thought about her while I paced the floor.

Finally, I stopped the pacing and continous thoughts and leaned up against the counter staring down at the ground.

In that instant, a thought came to my mind that wasn't my own. Like soft mental words saying.... "She will contact you again". I was thinking without thinking and cant explain how or where it came from. It came in quickly and was gone. I immediately felt this sensation in my stomach and my chest got warm with this feeling of love followed by an amazing feeling of piece. All anxiety was gone in a split second. Its been a week now and I couldnt shake this peacefulness if I tried. Its constant from daylight till dark.



Now I know people break up everyday having never experienced anything like this. Im a little concerned and curious as to why God would interrupt my life in such a profound way just to let me know I would hear from my girlfriend again.

There has to be more to this message than simply giving me a heads up. Thanks. ]]>
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COLLATERAL DAMAGE https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280759-COLLATERAL-DAMAGE?goto=newpost Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:30:23 GMT Collateral Damage is a term used to describe the inflicting of injury, pain, sorrow, difficulty or even death on an unintended target. As we progress through this lesson there may be a tendency for all of us to view ourselves as the victim of... Collateral Damage is a term used to describe the inflicting of injury, pain, sorrow, difficulty or even death on an unintended target. As we progress through this lesson there may be a tendency for all of us to view ourselves as the victim of collateral damage. I'm going to ask you to resist that and see yourself instead as the one who inflicts it on others. We live in a society infected with the incurable disease of self-interest. It will never be eradicated until Jesus makes all things new, but with God's help we can lessen it's control of our heart and life. Let's start with an example of extreme self-interest in a people that should have known better.

Num 17:12-13 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish. Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the LORD shall die: shall we be consumed with dying? These are the words of a people who had become extremely frustrated with the result of self-interest in their interaction with God, yet they seem to view God as the problem. Let's review some of the events leading up to their frustration.

* At Mt Sinai the people had Aaron make a golden calf to be their god when Moses didn't come down form the mount quickly enough. When Moses did return the sons of Levi killed 3,000 men of Israel who stood against Moses.

* Israel became dissatisfied with the manna God provided for them so He gave them quail to eat for a whole month and there was a great plague among the people.

* Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses in the ears of the people and Miriam was given leprosy for 7 days.

* Moses sent 12 spies to view the promised land. Ten of the men sowed fear in the hearts of the people because of their unbelief. As a result Israel would be forced to wonder in the wilderness for 40 years. They then decided to ignore God's judgment against them and fight with some of the inhabitants of the land only to be defeated.

* Korah, Dathan and Abiram questioned Moses as being chosen by God and stirred up the people against him. As a result of God's judgment over 14,000 people died.

All of the failures listed above are the result of self-interest. Collateral damage describes the trouble brought to others when we are self-interested. Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. Many seem to have the idea their thinking and behavior can only adversely affect them. God's word tells us there's nothing further from the truth. Our thinking and behavior greatly affects others. We are God's people, we should be the least self-interested people on Earth, our lives should be examples of dependence upon God and sacrifice for others. Jesus was a living example of that. Only in Him can we find the strength to walk in His steps. One final thought before we begin, to be truly selfless what motivates us must change.

(2 Timothy 3:1-4) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. Here we have listed for us some dangers of living in the last days. You will notice they are all the result of people walking after the flesh, being governed by self-interest.

3:1 perilous times – Perilous means fierce, savage, hard to take, hard to bear, troublesome, dangerous. Extreme self-interest is the result of demonic oppression and that should be an indication of how dangerous it is. For an example we will go all the way back to the beginning. Gen 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. The devil has always sought to oppress us and increase our rebellion against God by appealing to our self-interest. A wise man said, “Satan disguises submission to himself under the ruse of living according to your own will. He never asks us to become his servants. Never once did the serpent say to Eve, “I want to be your master”. The shift in commitment is never from God to evil; it's always from God to self. Instead of God's will, self-interest then rules.” The affect of self-interest is more easily seen today than ever before. Anger is often the result of unmet expectations and the majority of people's expectations are aligned with self-interest. Anger resulting from unmet expectations should have no place in the heart of God's people, His truth should displace it. Justifying anger that results from not getting what we want is simply a way to hold on to self-interest. Our self-interest is savage, troublesome and dangerous to others. It's often children that suffer most and sadly we are teaching them to have the same self-interest.

men shall be lovers of their own selves - Matthew Henry said, “When men are lovers of themselves, no good can be expected from them.” When we see ourselves as victims, when we are angry because we can't have what we want, when we are depressed or anxious because of our circumstance or failure, when we find it nearly impossible to have joy it's almost a certainty we are to in love with ourselves. Consider that such love for self causes many hardships for the weakest and most needy in our society. They're the ones who suffer the most because self-interest rules in those who should be sacrificing for them.

covetous – Covetous literally means fond of silver. To understand how damaging a covetous person can be to others listen to what Paul says in 1 Tim 6:9-10 ...they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. A covetous man is drowning in ruin, erring from the faith and pierced through with many sorrows. What do you suppose that does to people around him?

boasters – A boaster is an empty pretender. To understand the damage a pretender causes we will look to the words of Jesus concerning the religious leaders of His time. Matt 23:2-5 ...The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men... Extreme self-interest will make a person a hypocrite. The collateral damage caused by such people in a relationship, a family, a church and a nation, is almost irreversible. The hypocrite is himself deceived through his self-interest. He, in turn, seeks to deceive others.

proud – An interesting definition of this word is overtopping, meaning to lift self above others. The proud worship self. Their motivation is self-interest. Listen to what the proud do from the book of Psalms. Ps 86:14 O God, the proud are risen against me..., Ps 119:51 The proud have had me greatly in derision... meaning to talk arrogantly against. Ps 119:69 The proud have forged a lie against me... Ps 119:85 The proud have digged pits for me... Ps 140:5 The proud have hid a snare for me... How's that for collateral damage. Adrain Rodgers used to say pride is a disease that makes everyone sick except the one stricken by it.

blasphemers – A blasphemer is one who speaks evil of. To speak evil of others is a failure to identify the real enemy. Eph 6:12 ...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Luke 4:5-7 ...the devil, taking him (Jesus) up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. The kingdoms of this world are oppressed and under the influence of the devil. When we fight against anyone else there will be much collateral damage.

1:4 lovers of pleasures – Pleasure is the gratification of the senses or of the mind; agreeable sensations or emotions. To seek such is the ultimate form of self-interest. Our pleasure will seldom help others. To seek it above all else will cause harm to others which may lead to their destruction. Paul wrote in 1 Cor 9:19-22 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; to them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. It sounds as if sacrifice is the key to helping others and self-seeking can cause much hurt.

Though we did not examine all of the things Paul listed in 2 Timothy 3:1-4 all are the result of self-interest and all cause collateral damage. Now let's briefly look at the cure.

(Galatians 5:16-18) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. The cure is God intervention. He must intervene in our life to keep us from inflicting damage upon others and intervene in others to repair the damage we have caused. I recently posted a warning on Facebook which read: Please keep in mind that God will not intervene in your life, in a truly profound way, unless you make Him the priority. It's not religion that has the answer. The proof of that is seen in the religious Jewish leaders of Jesus' day, the Islamic terrorists we have become acquainted with in the last 20 years and modern Christianity which has little to no influence on our culture. Religion only increases collateral damage. A personal relationship with God in which we learn His ways and apply His truth is the way to prevent collateral damage and point people who have been hurt to the great Physician. The fruit of the Holy Spirit flows from those who are intoxicated with God. Gal 5:25-26 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. It's time to acknowledge the damage caused by our self-interest and allow God to intervene.
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joy https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280660-joy?goto=newpost Sat, 09 Mar 2019 16:07:11 GMT First of all, I love writing down insights and learning from God and thoughts and putting them down in my chrome book notebook and saving them. I want to say something about joy. Oh how I struggled for joy and the times when I didn't feel joyful and even prayed to God for joy. I had struggled with feeling lack of joy with my hearing loss not hearing well what others say and when I had a mental illness. Now I'm seeing more fully and clearly about joy. If you are born again in Christ Jesus and have his Spirit in you then you have his joy already in you. I didn't realize this and how I would pray for joy not realizing it's already in me. Think of joy like a muscle, when you use it it becomes strong and you can keep using it to make it stronger. Same with joy, we have joy but I was not using it or being joyful and felt joyless. Now I'm focused on making every effort and in my thoughts to be joyful at all times and it is so wonderful and keep at it to make it a habit. His joy is in you, use it, do it, obey it, be joyful. Your joy can increase so much that you can become joyful in your sufferings for true joy is greater than suffering and true love is greater than suffering. We want true joy that encourages and strengthens and motivates us in our faith, faith that is true and genuine and is tried to be found to result in praise and honor and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though we do not see him but we love him and believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and full of glory. Jesus is the perfect example when he was on the cross- Hebrews 12:2- looking to Jesus the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. And us christians want to hear this from our heavenly Father coming from Matthew 25:23- His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your Master. God is a joyful God and he wants us to have his joy and be joyful. Nehemiah 8:10- The joy of the Lord is my strength and stronghold. It doesn't say my joy is my strength or my joy in the Lord is my strength but the joy that comes from him who gives freely to us in Christ, it is HIS joy that is our strength and we to delight in his joy in us for we are in him and to love him joyfully and live the christian life with joy. ]]> Growing in Christ Mr King https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280660-joy