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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Questions and answers. Any conceivable topic related to the Bible. en Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:23:09 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ To wait upon the Lord https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/300162-To-wait-upon-the-Lord?goto=newpost Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:24:04 GMT How do you guys see waiting on the Lord? The Hebrew word is 6960. What insight do you have? What does it look like practically? What are the dangers and the rewards? How do you guys see waiting on the Lord? The Hebrew word is 6960. What insight do you have? What does it look like practically? What are the dangers and the rewards? ]]> Bible Chat Brother Mark https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/300162-To-wait-upon-the-Lord Galatians 3 Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,or by the hearing of faith https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/300013-Galatians-3-Received-ye-the-Spirit-by-the-works-of-the-law-or-by-the-hearing-of-faith?goto=newpost Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:21:33 GMT Before understanding Galatians 3, maybe it is the true way to look before and after first. The Jews were causing pressures on the Gentiles. They wanted them to be circumcised in the flesh. To bring us back into bondage/flesh belief. Jews... Before understanding Galatians 3, maybe it is the true way to look before and after first.


The Jews were causing pressures on the Gentiles. They wanted them to be circumcised in the flesh. To bring us back into bondage/flesh belief.


Jews by nature are not sinners of the Gentiles. Dissembling was going on and needed correcting. We are justified by Christ and Christ is not the minister of sin, so we cannot be found sinners. Cannot transgress the law that we are dead to, so we live unto God.


Galatians 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:


Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.




After Galatians 3, we see the same correction and problem, they observed the days and months and years at the time, the feasts around their cultures. That is returning into bondage, a it is flesh and not spiritual. Again it was only for the Jewish religion same as circumcision in the flesh, all of these passed over to the heart.


Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.


Galatians 5 again, explains what they were returning to, what was continuing to be pressured onto them, the bondage of circumcision, instead of through the Spirit waiting for the hope of righteousness by faith, which works by the love of Christ.


Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.


Called to liberty, and by love to serve one another, as all the law is FULFILLED in this, to love your neighbour as thyself.


Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


To be led of the Spirit is to not be under that law that we have no Spirit in, through that meek Spirit of Christ we are temperate in all things, and there is no law against that, as by fulfilling the law of Christ we bear one anothers burdens.


Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


This clarifies what happens next in Galatians 3.


We saw their problems were observing times and pressed to be circumcised. No Spirit is received by these works of the law, it comes only through the hearing of faith.


Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the HEARING OF FAITH?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Not made perfect by the flesh, in what way are we made perfect then ?


To be of the faith, with faithful Abraham, the correct example of obeying the Lord through faith, Romans 16:26. The just lives by faith, and it is the spirits of just men made perfect..


Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,




Then to be blessed with FAITHFUL Abraham, to be JUSTIFIED by faith, and that is to put on Christ. To be dead indeed to sin and alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Galatians 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


Simply told to put on Christ, by faith in Jesus Christ..


Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.




As testified above(NOT HEARING OF FAITH) They never believed in their heart(Galatians as testified above) for with the heart man believes unto righteousness, they never confessed to (in Gods way) salvation, they never were given to believe and were left ashamed. We need to call upon the Lord as the Lord tells us, which is in truth, and we do not have the Spirit of truth until the Lord calls and chooses to place that in us to call with. Believing the report is obeying the Gospel, by the word of God (His word is truth)


Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Psalm 145:18 The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.


John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Those who call on the Lord shall not be ashamed, they cease to have fruit they were once ashamed of, for the end of those things is also death(all sins)


Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.


We need to do as Christ taught us in the Gospel which we are to believe in, to be born again of the Spirit and not be ashamed before Him at His coming, If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him


1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.




1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.




Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.


Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.






Did the Galatians try to keep the righteousness of the law, or we just do not seek our own righteousness, and that is of the law,(because the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in the Gentiles) the righteousness which is of God by faith, knowing His sufferings to follow after, the power of His resurrection so we are dead to sin and alive to God, this is made comformable to death, and we lose all things to win Christ.(in faith belief in the heart to righteousness)


When they trusted to their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS and committed iniquity, they died for it, as the righteousness of Christ through the Spirit(as testified above) makes perfect in the Spirit.


The testimony again is, they have zeal of God, but without knowledge. This is their own righteousness (without being given to know Christ as minds blinded) Christ is the end of the law to righteousness.


Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.


So everyone that does confess Christ(in truth) let them depart from iniquity..


2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/300013-Galatians-3-Received-ye-the-Spirit-by-the-works-of-the-law-or-by-the-hearing-of-faith
A Multitude of Mitzvoth! (many commandments) DEUT 21:10-25:19 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299818-A-Multitude-of-Mitzvoth!-(many-commandments)-DEUT-21-10-25-19?goto=newpost Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:40:14 GMT Parashah: Ki Tetse” (when you go out) DEUT 21:10-25:19………ISAIAH 54:1-10………JOHN 12:1-50 In this Parashah we see a lot of common-sense mitzvoth that are for today, and we can also see some mitzvoth that we need to take a good look at to... Parashah: Ki Tetse” (when you go out)

DEUT 21:10-25:19………ISAIAH 54:1-10………JOHN 12:1-50


In this Parashah we see a lot of common-sense mitzvoth that are for today, and we can also see some mitzvoth that we need to take a good look at to see how we can apply them, perhaps not so much literally, but spiritually and morally. In some cases, both. According to some rabbis, there are about 74 commandments within these 5 chapters, many are still for today. (we need to look at the “big picture”)


Verse 10 talks about taking a captive woman from the enemy and making her your wife. Well, I wouldn’t recommend that very much, you might end up with your throat cut when you are sleeping. In Biblical times an Israelite soldier has the right to take a woman who was from an enemy city, once captive, and makes her his wife if he chose to do so. We might ask ourselves why? Well, the soldier just might like the way she looks, but what is the “bigger picture?” The Israelite soldier shows the captive woman “compassion”. She has lost her family, her city is in ruins, her “gods” have abandoned her. All she has now is this “soldier” who is from the nation of Israel who has brought her to his camp, his tent, and to his “One God”. Soon she will see the difference between the false gods she left behind and the one and only God; Adonai-Elohim.

Perhaps she was ill-treated in her city and perhaps even by her husband if she was married. But here she is shown compassion. She is allowed to mourn her loss, and in time, she will learn about Adonai and perhaps even to love her Israelite husband. At first, it seems to be a bad thing, but in time, it turns into a good thing.


Many US soldiers have returned home with foreign wives, perhaps some who worshipped idols. Once with the soldier and in the USA, she would give up her idol worship and embrace Yeshua. We would certainly like to hope so. Looking at this from another standpoint, we were at once a time in the enemy’s camp. We were in the camp of HaSatan, and our “bridegroom” (Yeshua) paid the price of ransom and bought our freedom with his own blood. Now he takes us “his bride” to his encampment. All believers are part of the “bride of Messiah” Baruch HaShem! And we will be HIS OWN for all eternity.


Vs 18 talks about the “wayward son” in that, if he is rebellious and defiant, refusing correction, his parents have the right to take him to the “shoftim” (judges) and they would order him to be stoned. Rebellion had a death sentence connected to it. We never read in scripture that this actually happened, but it was still written down as a commandment “in case” family rebellion occurred.


Try to stone a rebellious child today and you will definitely be standing before the man! (and off to prison you will go). If, as parents, we train up a child in God’s Word, read him or her Bible stories instead of fairy tales about ghosts and Boogiemen, then, when the child grows into a youth, he or she will have a solid foundation before him/her. It is not about being stoned with rocks, it is all about following the ROCK of ages!


Vs 22: Those that have received the death penalty could not be left “hanging around” from neither a rope, a cross, nor a stake. They had to be taken down and buried. In ancient times, a person who received the death penalty many times were displayed to the public, hanging from a rope for all to see. The dead person was taken and left hanging but had to be taken down and buried before the end of the day. Yeshua was taken down from the cross and buried in a tomb. We see many crucifixes today with Yeshua still on them, the fact is that he did NOT remain on the cross, but was buried and arose the third day. We worship a risen Savior, and not one who is still on the cross.


Chap 22; 1-4. To help someone find a lost item is a big mitzvah, being the item a lost animal such as a dog or a cat, or a wallet, important papers, etc. Unfortunately, we live in an age of worldly materialism. The ideology is “Finders keepers losers’ weepers.” That is the philosophy of the lost world, not born-again believers. If one finds a wallet with money inside, and there is an ID, we must return it to the person, money intact! Not minus the cash. Taking the cash and returning the wallet empty just making one an ‘honest thief’ (if a thief can be called that).


Vs 5; “A woman must not put on a man’s apparel, not a man, woman’s clothing” In Biblical times, clothing was generally the same; long, flowing tunics tied with a cloth or leather belt or sash and on the feet, sandals. There was, however, a difference between men’s and women’s tunics, perhaps in the material, the color and design being used. Today we see “unisex” clothing such as blue-jeans, but even in blue-jeans, there are “women’s” jeans. A man had better not put on a skirt unless he’s a Scotsman with a kilt and bagpipes. Let us abide by this commandment. Anyway, a woman looks better in a dress than with pants. (my opinion only).


Vs 8; Common sense tells us that when we build a roof, and it is the type of roof where one can go up and sit down and enjoy the coolness of the evenings, one must build a fence or a wall that surrounds the roof, to keep one from falling off in case one gets too close to the edge. The Torah can be like a roof and the commandments the fence that surrounds the roof, they keep us from “falling off into sin”


Vs 9; Prohibition of mixing seed, wool and linen, mixing work animals. These all can be considered “unequally yoked” as an ox is stronger than an ass. It tends to pull stronger and the ass will just slow it down causing undue strain on both animals. Such is an unequally yoked marriage, it strains on both parties and causes undue stress and tension. Mixed seeds will take out more chemicals from the soil leaving the soil useless. Wool will shrink in the hot wash and linen will not. Wool comes from an animal (sheep) and linen comes from a plant (cotton). A garment made with both wool and linen will be ruined and will pull apart. An unequally yoked marriage or even business partners will “pull-apart” when put in “hot water” if you get my drift. Mixing a believer with a non-believer will bring on different goals, ideas, philosophies, mannerisms, etc. One will serve God the other will serve the world. The Torah makes a difference between “Kadosh” and “Non-Kadosh” the holy and the unholy.


Vs 12: “You shall make Tzitziot (tassels) on the four corners of your garments” This is still for today and speaks about our relationship with Messiah Yeshua, our relationship with the Torah and the commandments. It also connects us with our Jewish culture. The number of windings and the blue thread is 7,8,11, and 13 which are significant. (7+8=15) (Yod + Hey) and 11 (Vav=6, and Hey = 5) YHVH and “Echad” (ONE in unity)


(13). It is still customary to wear Tzitziot on garments and even on one’s belt hoops when one goes outside.
Chap 24 addresses divorce, if a woman is found in “uncleanness” as some texts state, the man can divorce her. This word is connected to “nudity” and could even go as far as saying, the husband finds the wife nude with another man, (adultery) the word in Hebrew is “Ervat” (uncleanness) yet Yeshua teaches that forgiveness is more important than “putting away the wife” but…the exception remains “adultery” yet even this can be forgiven, a marriage is important, and Satan will do everything in his power to destroy marriages.


24:14 “You shall not abuse a needy and destitute laborer, whether a fellow countryman or a STRANGER (foreigner) in one of the communities of your land” Very important to know, that ALL workers, including immigrants, with or without work visas, should be respected, helped, and not HARRASSED! Hello!! The USA was founded by immigrants, let’s do our best to pray for them and respect them, and help them, vs 17 says “You shall NOT subvert the RIGHTS of the stranger…” Every immigrant has the right to the “pursuit of happiness and well-being in this country called the US of A. If the immigrant is an unrepentant criminal, that is a different story. The chapter also talks about the farmer and his crops. He should let the needy take what they need and not consider it stealing. We should not look at everything with $ in mind, we should share the blessings that the LORD has given us and share them with others.


25:4; “You shall not muzzle an ox while it is threshing.” In other words, every employee has the right to his or her lunch break. The ox can work and eat at the same time since its work is demanding.
25:5-10 talks about the “Levirate marriage” when a man dies and leaves no sons, the man’s brother (if single) must marry the man’s widow so as to raise up children. Well, would this be a good thing today? There are some who would say yes, and others would say no. I’ll let you decide, If I were single and, in that situation, if I wasn’t going with anyone, well…. maybe I’d go for it, why not? (especially if she was pretty). I guess it would
Be good because the marriage is kept within the family.


25:13 talks about “diverse weights” very important to conduct “honest business transactions” not crooked and unfair. Unfortunately, we live in a world of greed and there are people out there, scammers, that want to get over on you. Be careful, especially on the Net.


ISAIAH 54:1-10


“Shout O Barren one, you who bore no child, shout aloud for joy…” We ask when does a barren woman shout for joy because she cannot have children. I would guess that it depends on the circumstances. This reminds us of Sarah, who was barren, yet she did not give up hope, in spite of her error, in giving to Abraham her servant Hagar, YHVH still blessed her, and her child “Yitzchak” was the blessing she hoped for, her “offspring will dispossess nations” from Yitzchak to Ya’akov, from Ya’akov to the 12 sons, and from the 12 sons, we are all here today, many of us mixed in the with the nations, yet we are all still here.
The LORD has called us back! There was a time when we didn’t give spiritual things a second thought, the Bible was just another book on the bookshelf. I for sure didn’t have any interest in it growing up as a teenager.
Yet the LORD called me through another teen, and from there, Bible study groups in the Army, and from there, Yeshiva school.
We are chastised, yet we are forgiven, the LORD chastens all whom he receives. I think that the worst type of chastening is having an indifferent spirit, neither hot nor cold. The LORD has taken us back in love. His love is seen in Yeshua HaMashiach, who gave his all for us all!




JOHN 12:1-50


Nearing the time of Pesach, when Yeshua entered Yerushalayim, people welcomed him. We know the story, with palm branches. It reminds us of the first Passover when a lamb was to be taken on the tenth day of Nissan And then, sacrificed on the 14th. The Lamb of YHVH entered on the tenth day and gave up his life on the 14th.


Yet before Calvary, he made a statement; “Unless a grain of wheat that falls to the ground dies, it stays just a grain, but if it dies, it produces a big harvest” What is he saying here? HE is the grain of wheat that died, yet arose again with life. WE are the big harvest of believers that have come from his death and resurrection, and when we “sow the seed” (God’s Word) we are helping to create big harvests. Yet we need to understand that some seed will land on stony ground, not all seed that ends up on the ground will sprout. There is a different between “on” the ground and “in” the ground. If we are “in” the ground, and we respond to the “Living Water” and the “SON light” then, we will “sprout and come up”


Shabbat Shalom


Rabbi Ben Avraham
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Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299818-A-Multitude-of-Mitzvoth!-(many-commandments)-DEUT-21-10-25-19
Good Master, what must I do to inherit eternal life? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299544-Good-Master-what-must-I-do-to-inherit-eternal-life?goto=newpost Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:10:06 GMT One day a young ruler came to Jesus and fell on his knees before him. He said, "Good Master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Jesus told him 'if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments' and started quoting the 10 commandments; "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother."

The young man said he had kept them from the time he was a boy. He had lived a good life. But the Bible says that Jesus looked into the man's heart and saw something that was keeping him from becoming a follower.

Jesus told him that he still lacked one thing, he must sell the things he owned and give the money to the poor. Then he would have treasure in heaven, and he could follow Jesus. The young man's face fell and he went away sad because he had great riches that he would not part with.

So what does this mean to us today, what must we do to inherit eternal life? ]]>
Bible Chat hobie https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299544-Good-Master-what-must-I-do-to-inherit-eternal-life
men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299542-men-shall-be-lovers-of-their-own-selves-covetous-boasters-proud-blasphemers?goto=newpost Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:20:14 GMT When we follow the scriptures too literally, that is said to be wrong by people. When we do not teach what they approve of, we oppose the words we believe in. How do you win, in a world of false accusers? Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is... When we follow the scriptures too literally, that is said to be wrong by people.


When we do not teach what they approve of, we oppose the words we believe in.


How do you win, in a world of false accusers?


Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.


Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.


Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.


Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.


2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.


Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Men are lovers of their own selves, breaking that truce with the Lord, His Holy covenant, they despise those who try to follow the good way, they are self seeking coveteous, boasting proud, not sitting lowest seat as Christ taught us, blaspheming the Holy ghost, even turning the grace of God into lasciviousness as testified too, with disobedience and unholiness as their doctrine belief, highminded lovers of pleasures instead of lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power to know His word is with power and actions, they also in their own way are the ever learning, never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which is the love of the truth, resisting the truth what is told the simplicity in Christ, corrupt and reprobate without morals, but their folly is to be manifested as the Lord has truly testified.


Now we compare all this to the truth, the doctrine of the Lord in the Holy Apostles, is the longsuffering, the charity which endures all and seeks not our own, the patience to have her perfect work, to be perfect and entire wanting nothing, the persecutions, and afflictions, but evil men seducers wax worse and worse at this ending time, deceiving and being deceived..


2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.


James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299542-men-shall-be-lovers-of-their-own-selves-covetous-boasters-proud-blasphemers
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299437-He-that-believeth-on-me-the-works-that-I-do-shall-he-do-also-and-greater-works?goto=newpost Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:53:24 GMT What is the work the Lord did, that nobody believed ? Jesus did answer, this is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent. The works Jesus did bear witness that the Father sent Him, they bear witness of the faith of Christ.... What is the work the Lord did, that nobody believed ?


Jesus did answer, this is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent.


The works Jesus did bear witness that the Father sent Him, they bear witness of the faith of Christ.


To believe the works, is to know and believe, that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father.


Believing on the Son, means we shall do greater works(through the same faith) because the Son sat on the throne with the Father.


But the despisers can only wonder and perish, for the work that is done(God does all through faith which are His works) they do not believe, though Christ declared it to all.


Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe, though it be told you.


John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.


John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.


John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Acts 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.




That is the work of God, we are to believe in, and through belief do even greater works.


Next comes along the teaching to the Gentiles, who already know in the heart they are not justified by the works of the law(it is not Spirit but letter) they are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, who gave His life for us which are His works and His faith(Spirit).


Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


When we receive this living word of Christ(Spirit) it effectively works in those who believe, as faith is nothing to do with no works of God, faith as told is the works of the Lord.


1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.


They who believe enter into the rest of the Lord, who finished His works from the foundation of the world, and through faith the worlds were framed by the word of God, and God rested on the seventh day from His work He had made, and all that is told, all that Christ worked and spoke is so we believe that Jesus is the Christ, who also created all things. We have life through His name.


1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


The commandment is to believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ, and to love one another, and when we keep His commandments it is the token of true belief for He then dwells in us and we in Him. This highlights what belief is for all, it is a commandment of the Lord along with all of His others to be belied in and done together. Hereby you know that the Lord lives in us, because He has given us His Holy Spirit. We do by faith what is pleasing in His sight.


1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Enoch has this testimony for us to also believe in and follow after, that he pleased God BY FAITH.


Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, to please God without faith. PLEASING GOD, is DO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT(which clearly is also faith) The Son of GOd also is our true example, to ALWAYS DO YTHE THINGS THAT PLEASE THE FATHER(through the faith of Christ which are what the work of God is).


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.


The faith Christ preached(and to be believed on) is we can not enter the kingdom of heaven unless we are born again.


The requirement of belief, is to be born again of the Spirit, or all our own beliefs re only of the flesh. The belief of Christ is to be born of the Spirit, hence how we witness the Spirit descended on and remaining on the Messiah for us to believe in and receive the same.


John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Who believes that Jesus is the Christ also is born of God all at once. They received the Spirit and that Spirit of God is love, they love the brethren immediately. They love God and keep His commandments, it is the love of God to work good to all, and it is not difficult, these born of God immediately overcome the world, as the victory that overcomes is the faith, and those who believe are born of God, believing that Jesus is the Son of God.


1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


The record God gave of the only begotten Son of the Father, is that eternal life is in Jesus Christ. This is written for those who believe on the name of the Son of God, to have and to believe in the Son is to have life, and to not have the Son is to not have life.


1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


All unrighteousness that men do is sin, and we know those born of God sin not, they are begotten of God to keep themselves(through the Holy Spirit writing His laws into them which is belief, the work of God and and being born of God's love) they know the whole world remains in that wickedness, and they know the Son of God came and gave them understanding(heart and mind opened) to know(believe in) Him that is true, to be in Him that is true, even in Jesus Christ, He is the true God, He is the eternal life in us. He keeps us away from idols.


1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


This then is eternal life, to know the only true God, Jesus Christ whom He has sent.


Who abides in Him sins not, those who sin have not seen nor known Him.


For every one that does evil, hates the light, they do not come to the light, their deeds would have been reproved and all corrected.


Tribulation is on every soul of man that does evil, he that does evil has not seen God, but he that does good is of God.


John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.


Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299437-He-that-believeth-on-me-the-works-that-I-do-shall-he-do-also-and-greater-works
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299430-He-that-believeth-on-me-the-works-that-I-do-shall-he-do-also-and-greater-works?goto=newpost Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:21:31 GMT What is the work the Lord did, that nobody believed ? Jesus did answer, this is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent. The works Jesus did bear witness that the Father sent Him, they bear witness of the faith of Christ.... What is the work the Lord did, that nobody believed ?


Jesus did answer, this is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent.


The works Jesus did bear witness that the Father sent Him, they bear witness of the faith of Christ.


To believe the works, is to know and believe, that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father.


Believing on the Son, means we shall do greater works(through the same faith) because the Son sat on the throne with the Father.


But the despisers can only wonder and perish, for the work that is done(God does all through faith which are His works) they do not believe, though Christ declared it to all.


Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe, though it be told you.


John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.


John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.


John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Acts 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.




That is the work of God, we are to believe in, and through belief do even greater works.


Next comes along the teaching to the Gentiles, who already know in the heart they are not justified by the works of the law(it is not Spirit but letter) they are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, who gave His life for us which are His works and His faith(Spirit).


Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


When we receive this living word of Christ(Spirit) it effectively works in those who believe, as faith is nothing to do with no works of God, faith as told is the works of the Lord.


1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.


They who believe enter into the rest of the Lord, who finished His works from the foundation of the world, and through faith the worlds were framed by the word of God, and God rested on the seventh day from His work He had made, and all that is told, all that Christ worked and spoke is so we believe that Jesus is the Christ, who also created all things. We have life through His name.


1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


The commandment is to believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ, and to love one another, and when we keep His commandments it is the token of true belief for He then dwells in us and we in Him. This highlights what belief is for all, it is a commandment of the Lord along with all of His others to be belied in and done together. Hereby you know that the Lord lives in us, because He has given us His Holy Spirit. We do by faith what is pleasing in His sight.


1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Enoch has this testimony for us to also believe in and follow after, that he pleased God BY FAITH.


Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, to please God without faith. PLEASING GOD, is DO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT(which clearly is also faith) The Son of GOd also is our true example, to ALWAYS DO YTHE THINGS THAT PLEASE THE FATHER(through the faith of Christ which are what the work of God is).


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.


The faith Christ preached(and to be believed on) is we can not enter the kingdom of heaven unless we are born again.


The requirement of belief, is to be born again of the Spirit, or all our own beliefs re only of the flesh. The belief of Christ is to be born of the Spirit, hence how we witness the Spirit descended on and remaining on the Messiah for us to believe in and receive the same.


John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Who believes that Jesus is the Christ also is born of God all at once. They received the Spirit and that Spirit of God is love, they love the brethren immediately. They love God and keep His commandments, it is the love of God to work good to all, and it is not difficult, these born of God immediately overcome the world, as the victory that overcomes is the faith, and those who believe are born of God, believing that Jesus is the Son of God.


1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


The record God gave of the only begotten Son of the Father, is that eternal life is in Jesus Christ. This is written for those who believe on the name of the Son of God, to have and to believe in the Son is to have life, and to not have the Son is to not have life.


1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


All unrighteousness that men do is sin, and we know those born of God sin not, they are begotten of God to keep themselves(through the Holy Spirit writing His laws into them which is belief, the work of God and and being born of God's love) they know the whole world remains in that wickedness, and they know the Son of God came and gave them understanding(heart and mind opened) to know(believe in) Him that is true, to be in Him that is true, even in Jesus Christ, He is the true God, He is the eternal life in us. He keeps us away from idols.


1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


This then is eternal life, to know the only true God, Jesus Christ whom He has sent.


Who abides in Him sins not, those who sin have not seen nor known Him.


For every one that does evil, hates the light, they do not come to the light, their deeds would have been reproved and all corrected.


Tribulation is on every soul of man that does evil, he that does evil has not seen God, but he that does good is of God.


John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.


Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299430-He-that-believeth-on-me-the-works-that-I-do-shall-he-do-also-and-greater-works
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299183-For-the-time-will-come-when-they-will-not-endure-sound-doctrine?goto=newpost Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:15:31 GMT Does anyone notice or care, this has been proven in this forum today, that nobody endures sound doctrine, everybody tries to resist it and choose a flattering deceitful answer ? 1 Timothy 4:I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus... Does anyone notice or care, this has been proven in this forum today, that nobody endures sound doctrine, everybody tries to resist it and choose a flattering deceitful answer ?

1 Timothy 4:I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/299183-For-the-time-will-come-when-they-will-not-endure-sound-doctrine
sinner https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298986-sinner?goto=newpost Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:21:27 GMT "maverick wrote: The bottom line is that Christians still sin because the flesh is waring against the spirit. In fact, as a Christian you don't hate sinning then there is something wrong with your Christianity. Also please read 1 John 1:8-10 where it says Christians sin and Jesus Christ intercedes for us."






Isaiah 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.


Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.






Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.






Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.




3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.


Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.




This is the message to those who walk in darkness.


They are testified to walk in the light, as Christ is in the light.


Then they have fellowship with the Holy Apostles, and the righteous blood of Christ cleans them of all sin.


They need to repent, to confess the sins, and be cleaned of all unrighteousness.


It is still a false spirit to deny they have sinned, done evil, as His word sets us free from sin and He is the Spirit of truth..


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. ]]>
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PERFECT https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298953-PERFECT?goto=newpost Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:37:32 GMT Carnal is to be non spiritual, and only to be spiritually mined(mind of Christ) is it life and the peace of Christ in us. Walking as men is to be carnal. The weapons of our warfare in the Spirit of Christ is not carnal at all. Romans 7:14... Carnal is to be non spiritual, and only to be spiritually mined(mind of Christ) is it life and the peace of Christ in us.


Walking as men is to be carnal. The weapons of our warfare in the Spirit of Christ is not carnal at all.


Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)




Freedom is what servants do not have.


When we are the servant of sin, we are FREE from righteoiusness


When we are the servant of Christ we are FREE from sin, the Son made us free from this, and when we as servants have done all that is commanded us, we say we have done that which is our duty to do..


Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.


John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


Luke 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


Born of God is ONLY as God describes:


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.




They as told lower down in the verses, not only are made perfect in one, with the Father and the Son joined with them, but also he that is joined with the Lord, in any partnership at all, is ONE SPIRIT, NO LONGER TWO..


1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.


Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


The great mystery is, we are joined with Christ of His flesh and of His bones, married, betrothed to Him in faithfulness, NO MORE TWAIN..


Hosea 2:20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.


Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


In this partnership with the Lord, is not to wander off to sin, that is what man claims faithfulness is!


1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.






Perfection:


2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.


2 Thessalonians 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;


Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.


2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.




Perfect...




Psalm 18:32 It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.


Psalm 37:37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.


Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.


Psalm 101:6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.


Proverbs 2:21 For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.


Proverbs 11:5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.










Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


Mark 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.


Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.


John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.












1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:


1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.


Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.


Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.


2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.










Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.










James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.


James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.


James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.












1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.


Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. ]]>
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Crucifixion of you in Christ https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298947-Crucifixion-of-you-in-Christ?goto=newpost Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:55:31 GMT “For the *grace of God _that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,_* _*Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the... “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
**Titus‬ *2:11-15‬ *KJV‬

So the grace of God that brings salvation, teaching us about living right and godly in this present world while we wait for Jesus return is found here consider the grace which God sent for salvation....

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
**John‬ *1:14, 16-17‬ *KJV‬‬


so then what does Gods word made flesh say teaching us about denying worldly lusts and living righteously? Note this is regarding a persons souls and losing or keeping it


"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.


For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
**Luke‬ *9:23-26‬ *KJV‬‬




"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
**Matthew‬ *16:27‬ *KJV‬‬


“The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
**Matthew‬ *13:41-43‬ *KJV‬‬

Consider which these ears and eyes


"But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.


When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.


But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.


He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.


But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
**Matthew‬ *13:16-23‬ *KJV‬‬

Notice there are different yeilds of fruit not one eniversal standard, we produce his fruit , we don't have to out produce others , just produce the fruit he gives because




Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.


And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
**Matthew‬ *7:19-27‬ *KJV‬‬


“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
**Luke‬ *17:20-21‬ *KJV


Ok then the crusifuxion of the flesh a section of our lords preaching to,illustrate the aim at our hearts and nature ....This is where the flesh nature is found

"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
**Mark‬ *7:21-23‬ *KJV‬‬


so the " sword" is accepted in among the heart of a believer...


"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
**Hebrews‬ *4:12-13‬ *KJV‬‬

so then the doctrine of the spirit



But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.


And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.


For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.


Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?




**Luke‬ *6:27-49‬ *KJV‬‬


Do you see what this doctrine would do in a heart ? Can you see how that totally destroys our own ideas of righteousness beforehand ?And we already know Jesus is the one to believe....so , okay , you just got a peek at the doctrine of the spirit of life The gospel preached by the lord Jesus who was also exclaiming of his words....


“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.”
**John‬ *4:23-26‬ *KJV‬‬


“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
**John‬ *7:16-17‬ *KJV‬‬


“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
**John‬ *3:3, 5-6‬ *KJV‬‬




It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
**John‬ *6:63, 68-69‬ *KJV‬‬






To crucify the flesh , is to follow the spirit in the gospel .....consider Pauls doctrine of spirit and flesh knowing whatbjesus had taught of the spirit and flesh ... ]]>
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Every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298886-Every-one-that-is-called-by-my-name-for-I-have-created-him-for-my-glory?goto=newpost Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:13:14 GMT Who has free will ? The choices to choose from are: God devil Who has free will ?


The choices to choose from are:


God


devil


man


With the deceitful heart in man, he can believe unto righteousness?


Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?


So it takes God to sprinkle clean water on us and wash us?


Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:


2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.


Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Clearly for our heart to be sprinkled from an evil conscience, we all have an evil conscience in us ?


The commandment is charity out of a pure heart, which is the good conscience ?


Following and believing in righteousness, we call on the Lord with a pure heart ?


Drawing near with a true heart ?


Jesus says no man can go to Him unless drawn by the Father ?


Where and when do we receive the charity/love of God and this pure heart to call and draw to the Father by ?


Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


Charity is the perfection of the Lord God in us, in His Holy Spirit given to us, to keep His word.


When and how did God say man will keep His word?


Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


When our eyes are enlightened.


The Lord corrects some, others are not given to be able to hear rebuke.


The wise son keeps the Fathers law, keeps Gods words.


Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.

Proverbs 15:5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.

Proverbs 23:24 The father of the righteous shall greatly rejoice: and he that begetteth a wise child shall have joy of him.

Proverbs 28:7 Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.



Where does this wise son come from ?

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.



It is only those who have the fear of the Lord, and nobody has this, we need it written into the heart and is the new covenant..

Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.




Can somebody find contrary to this entire testimony, any resmeblance of man able to do according to his will ?


Now we see God does His will, man has the Lords will done on him.


Jonah did not want to warn Ninevah, God cast Jonah down to hell so he would obey the Lord..


Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


For Judas, better he had never been born, yet satan was put into his heart. This shows satan does his will man does no will.


John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.


John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;


Pharoah and all Egypt did no will of their own, they were destined to resist the Lord and be made examples of who tries to resist the will of the Lord resists as appointed, so they die.


Exodus 10:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:2 And that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son's son, what things I have wrought in Egypt, and my signs which I have done among them; that ye may know how that I am the Lord.


Exodus 11:9 And the Lord said unto Moses, Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you; that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt.10 And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.


We saw the heart the Lord creates in man to be pure, what heart have everybody who is not changed by the Lord, not drawn by Him ?


Wicked are estranged to the truth from the womb, the heart of the wicked is little worth, because they are incapable of calling on the Lord.


The generation of vipers cannot escape the damnation of hell, the leopard cannot change its spots, those accustomed to do evil, cannot ever change around to believe in good.


Many men desire to see and know those things of the Lord, but their eyes were never blessed, they were never given to see nor know.


God reveals them to us by HIs Spirit, if His Spirit is not given to us, what can we know or call on ?


Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 10:20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.


Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.


Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


The ones of the flesh, persecute those of the Spirit, does that not show how every one that is flesh will never pray and believe in God, when they hate the ones who are of God? They also murder them as Cain did Abel.


1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.


It is all clear about will, man has free will, but only to be as evil as he chooses, and only to believe in sin his own self and unrighteousness as much as he chooses and pleases.


satan has more will than man, he takes who he wants captive at his will. satan fills hearts even of believers, because they never really truly believe.


Jesus knows who never really believes, because He gives the Holy Spirit so we can truly believe in that Spirit of truth given us.


Unless it is given from God, nobody has any power at all ?


2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.




Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?




John 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.
10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.


John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


The wicked are made for what then ?


Proverbs 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

The good created for..

Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.






Without Christ in people, they are already given over to a reprobate mind, we are born with it..



Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298886-Every-one-that-is-called-by-my-name-for-I-have-created-him-for-my-glory
A people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298662-A-people-of-no-understanding-therefore-he-that-made-them-will-not-have-mercy-on-them?goto=newpost Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:31:06 GMT God made everybody, as He is the creator of all. Satan then takes over, being the god of this world, and then everybody of the flesh(those without the Spirit of Christ in them born of the Spirit) follows satan perfectly, they obey him in ll... God made everybody, as He is the creator of all.


Satan then takes over, being the god of this world, and then everybody of the flesh(those without the Spirit of Christ in them born of the Spirit) follows satan perfectly, they obey him in ll things with only sins, and without any of the righteousness of Christ at all.


Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


People either then understand the judgement of the Lord, or they just have no spiritual understanding.


None of the wicked understand, evil men are incapable of understanding judgment, Christ shows we all are evil, so man is never gong to understand and then be able to believe.


We are people of no understanding, that is why it has been proven to this world, THERE I NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH OR SEEKETH..


Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.


It is not only opposite to the false prophets teaching, to simply pray and be on your knees humble, it is told everywhere, our hearts are hide from understanding.


Isaiah 27:11 When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.


Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Proverbs 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the Lord understand all things.


Job 17:4 For thou hast hid their heart from understanding: therefore shalt thou not exalt them.


Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?


Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.


Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


The words say, the Lord gives good gifts, which is the Holy spirit, to those who ask Him.


Liars say ask him praying, but God does not say what they say, see for ourselves, it says to those who ask in FAITH..


James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.


Their whole deceitful teaching hangs on the word of faith.


We already know nobody in this world understands or seeks the Lord as testified regarding the whole world.


We know the Lord said, and confirmed, you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.


Exactly where do they claim they have this faith from then ?


It either is given by the Lord and is completely by undeserved mercy, or their way to say they are able to have that faith, to be able to believe and understand, to know how to humble, and they deny that it is ONLY Jesus Christ who humbled Himself to the death of the cross for us, and then we know why they deny the true way as told and they conjur up a new untold way, because they turn the grace of Christ into self seeking lust..


The false teachers Jesus testified for this end of the world of course are ordained then, chosen by the Lord to fulfill this deceit, to teach condemnation pretending they speak for Christ and the world of iniquity workers are to believe them , all as told..


2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.


Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. ]]>
Bible Chat gordon777 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298662-A-people-of-no-understanding-therefore-he-that-made-them-will-not-have-mercy-on-them
Temple https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298306-Temple?goto=newpost Tue, 10 Sep 2019 00:02:39 GMT I am looking for a book that deals with the design etc of the Temple in Jerusalem as Ezekiel saw with the Spirit guide around chapter 40-45. Is there such a book?A comprehensive write on the Temple and its design. I am looking for a book that deals with the design etc of the Temple in Jerusalem as Ezekiel saw with the Spirit guide around chapter 40-45.
Is there such a book?A comprehensive write on the Temple and its design. ]]>
Bible Chat az331 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298306-Temple
only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/298282-only-lest-they-should-suffer-persecution-for-the-cross-of-Christ?goto=newpost Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:49:36 GMT Deny ourselves and take up our cross daily, to go after Christ, to walk even as He walked.. 1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will... Deny ourselves and take up our cross daily, to go after Christ, to walk even as He walked..


1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.


Every day Jesus is the same..


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Denying ourselves is denying ungodliness, and worldly lusts, to live righteously and godly in this present world, and we glory only in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the whole world is crucified to us and we unto the world..


Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.


Then there is nothing else to know save Jesus Christ and Him crucified..


1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.


Christ was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God, we also are weak in Him, but we live with Him by the power of God, whose strength is made perfect in weakness(crucified and taking up our cross daily) in weaknesses and illnesses, in persecutions and the world we shall have tribulation (these are all cross daily)


2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


2 Corinthians 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.


If dead with Him we live with Him(cross crucified daily) suffering with Him(daily) to reign with Him(forever)(Thousand year reign in Revelation is a day, thousand years is as a day to the Lord, judgement day..and then passing it is forever) Joint heirs with Christ if we suffer with Him to be glorified together(suffering essential or no glorification) to suffer persecution for the cross of Christ..


Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.


2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


Eating and drinking the blood worthily, means we do show the Lords death till He comes. We preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, giving the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, and are troubled on every side, persecuted and cast down, always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus is made manifest in our body, for which we are living are always delivered to death for Jesus' sake, to manifest the life of Jesus in our human flesh..


1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.


1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, IS NOT WORTHY OF ME.


One thing you lack, sell and give all you have, THEN take up your cross and follow Christ.


The apostles left all then took up their cross.


You leave all and you then receive that cross daily from the world, and persecutions from it, and in the world to come, eternal life, but all the ones seeking to be first end up last of all, only the last become the first..


Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.


Mark 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first. ]]>
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