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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Questions and answers. Any conceivable topic related to the Bible. en Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:04:15 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Information Our body is on loan from God https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281567-Our-body-is-on-loan-from-God?goto=newpost Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:27:43 GMT It was brought to my attention last year via a religious television station in New Zealand that in the bible it says *because Jesus died on the cross that our body is on loan from God and to look after it*. I lost the place and can not find it. ... It was brought to my attention last year via a religious television station in New Zealand that in the bible it says because Jesus died on the cross that our body is on loan from God and to look after it. I lost the place and can not find it.

It is somewhere in the middle of the new testament. even with my word search it will not show, it could be 1st or 2nd Corinthians but dont let me push you in the wrong direction. ]]>
Bible Chat RichardPrincipal https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281567-Our-body-is-on-loan-from-God
What changed? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281427-What-changed?goto=newpost Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:12:31 GMT When I read the New Testament, I see Yeshua and the Disciples casting out demons, talking about the infilling of the Holy Spirit and tongues as if these were all a normal part of the Christian life. What changed? I personally have been infilled by... When I read the New Testament, I see Yeshua and the Disciples casting out demons, talking about the infilling of the Holy Spirit and tongues as if these were all a normal part of the Christian life. What changed? I personally have been infilled by the Spirit many years ago, but tongues, I am still percolating on and haven't decided.

We look at people today and what psychology has labeled as mental disorder, in many cases, matches symptoms experienced by the NT people. Psychology offers drugs to control symptoms, but nobody is ever cured. Is it possible that even today, the root cause of many of these mental disorders is actually still demons?

As much as possible, I want my life to absolutely reflect what the book of Acts shows. I want to do things God's way even if that makes me look weird.

What's your take? ]]>
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Lifting up Offerings to Adonai; LEV 6:8-8:36 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281394-Lifting-up-Offerings-to-Adonai-LEV-6-8-8-36?goto=newpost Sun, 24 Mar 2019 02:28:07 GMT PARASHAH: “Tzav” (command) LEVITICUS 6:8-8:36………. JEREMIAH 7:21-8:3………MARK 13:1-37 Last week we studied Parasha “Vayikra” (and he called) and this week, we read Parashat “Tzav” (command). We are studying the same offerings, yet the titles... PARASHAH: “Tzav” (command)
LEVITICUS 6:8-8:36………. JEREMIAH 7:21-8:3………MARK 13:1-37


Last week we studied Parasha “Vayikra” (and he called) and this week, we read Parashat “Tzav” (command). We are studying the same offerings, yet the titles are different. One is “Called” and this study falls under “command.” What is the relationship here? One way to look at this is that “offering up to Adonai” is a calling. We are called to “offer up to Him” yet not all respond. But for those who DO respond to the calling, there is a set way to offer up to HIM.


HaShem is saying in a way; “You are called, but I know that not all you will respond, yet to those who DO respond, THIS is how it is done! Remember that today, there are no more animal offerings/sacrifices, yet the offerings are symbolic in the way we relate to HaShem today, through prayer, mitzvoth, our personal relationship with Messiah Yeshua.
We continue to look at the “Korbanot Shel Mishkan” (the offerings of the Tabernacle) which are…

“The Burnt Offering” (Korban Olah), “The Grain Offering” (Minchah), “The Peace offering” (Zevah Shelamim), the “Sin Offering” (Korban Chatat), “The Trespass or guilt offering” (Korban Asham). One thing about the burnt, sin, and guilt offerings, there had to be “Teshuvah” (repentance) or “a change of heart”. A “Turning away from sin” like when Yeshua told the woman who was caught in the act of adultery; “Go and sin no more!” (by the way, I wonder why the crowd didn’t bring the man?) I mean, if the woman was caught in the “act” the man was there too! Yet he was not brought forth.

The burnt offerings symbolized the recognition of our sin nature and a willingness to give oneself to God. The sin and trespass/guilt offerings symbolized the offeror’s recognition that “I have sinned” in a specific way, unintentionally, and forgiveness was sought. If the trespass was some property damage or stolen, the person offering the animal has to first “compensate” the person offended, and “restitution” was in order. Yet it was restitution plus 5 more of the items, plus a fine besides the offering. Very strict.


It would be good if those tried and imprisoned for theft, would have to pay back the victim the value of said property doing labor in prison, and not be released until the compensation was complete.
Or…the state would pay the victim, and the offender would have to pay back the state with said labor. Good idea! Let’s vote on it!


The grain and peace offerings were to “give thanks to God” for blessings received or anticipated.
Every time people go to the park and fire-up the BBQ grills and invite guests to eat hamburgers, hot-dogs, sausage, tostadas, grilled peppers, they are, in a way, lifting up a “peace offering”. These offerings were not without fine flour, olive oil, salt, and Frankincense. I guess a good outing in the park could not be complete without garlic bread brushed with a bit of olive oil and salt. Salt in the bible symbolizes “incorruptibility” and what a better way to lay down to rest at night than to light an incense stick of Frankincense.


We can see Yeshua in all of these offerings. The clean animals symbolize Yeshua as the “perfect sacrificed lamb of God” the grain offerings symbolize “Yeshua the Bread of Life” the peace offerings “Yeshua, the Prince of Peace” (Yeshua Sar Shalom). The olive oil the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) and the Frankincense “Our prayers and supplications” which go “up” like burning incense.


In this Parashah we see “Ner Tamid” or “Esh Tamid” (the eternal flame or fire) the burnt offering roasted all night and the ashes that remained in the morning were removed to a clean place outside the camp. The fire symbolizes purification, destruction, heat, light, and judgment of sin. It can also symbolize our zeal and love for God and for the things of God, service to Adonai, I am sure you have heard the expression “being on fire for God!” The things we did yesterday are gone, and the things of today remain to be done. We can consider the “ashes” the things of yesterday, and the things of today, are being done, and the things of tomorrow, “yet to be done”


YHVH takes into account ALL things done for His name’s sake, honor, and glory. The ashes of “yesterday” can be our “future rewards” in Heaven in the world to come.


Chapter 8 in the highlight of the Torah. The Torah (Genesis – Deuteronomy) has 304,805 Hebrew letters, 79,977 words, and 5845 verses. Lev 8:15 is the “midpoint” with the word “Yesod” (foundation or base). It talks about Aaron being anointed as high priest. He is symbolically a “type of Messiah.”

“to anoint” is “m sh k” in Hebrew letters. The word “Mishkan” (Tabernacle) also has those letters. The Mishkan was anointed for the place of worship. In the high priest, we have the mediator between man and God, and now “Yeshua” is our “Cohen Gadol” (High Priest)


The blood of the animals used to anoint Aaron and his sons was sprinkled on the horns of the brazen altar and poured out at the “base” or “foundation” of the altar, pointing us to Yeshua who is the “Chief Corner-stone” or the “Foundation Stone” (Yeshua HaYesod)


It is also interesting to see that the first word in the Torah is “B’reisheet” (in the beginning) the middle word is “Yesod” (foundation) and the last word in Deuteronomy is “Yisrael” giving us the message that “Yeshua is the Foundation of Israel” but where is “Yeshua” in Genesis? If we take the last letters of the first three words of Genesis “B’reisheet Bara Elohim” we get the word “Emet” (truth) and one of Yeshua’s titles is “The Truth” the “Alef” “Mem” and “Tav”. Yeshua said; “I AM the Way the Truth and the Life” (John 14:6).


Aaron and his sons were anointed with blood on their right ear lobes, their right thumbs, and the big toe on their right feet. This can symbolize our “hearing” (Shema) and putting into action what we hear from God’s Word, our “doing” through mitzvoth (good deeds, following the commandments) and “walking” according to HIS direction, walking a “Torah based lifestyle, or “Halacha” as some put it. This was the ministry of Aaron and his sons, and also our ministry as well.

JEREMIAH 7:21-8:3; 9:22,23

Adonai speaks to Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah) telling Israel to repent and return to God, yet God told him that Israel would not listen to him. So sad, that was the case. Sacrifices were continued but without true repentance. Kind of like the Mafia big bosses murdering and gunning down people, and then going to mass at church and confess before the priests (if they even did that).


Israel was taken into slavery to live in Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, only many years later did a remnant return to Israel. We need to get back to God today through true repentance, from the heart and not just with words. Adonai did not ask for sacrifices when he took his people out of Egypt, only obedience to his voice and words, yet Israel failed to obey. The “Korbanot” were HIS way to point his people back to him through Yeshua, the “Emet” (Truth) and the foundation stone from the beginning. (I know, seems like bad English to use "were" but "Korbanot" is plural, so "were"is correct)

MARK 13:1-37

Yeshua tells his Talmidim about the future. “The end is near,” he tells them. Yet many will say; “Well, that was thousands of years ago, and the end is not in sight!”


We need to remember that our perspective of time is not the same perspective of Adonai’s time. If one thousand years are like a day, then, in reality, time is of no matter to YHVH. Yeshua is saying that “Many will come in my name”. We see that it is true with many false Messiahs, false cults, false doctrines, “adding” to the Word of God saying, “Yeshua isn’t enough, you need…”


Many cults, denominations change God’s Word to fit their beliefs, mis-interpret original words. When we listen to preachers and teachers, we must ask ourselves, “Is this what God’s Word is really saying?” does it support solid Bible doctrine, if it does not, then it is mere commentary, “man’s opinion, nothing more.


I believe that the best way to understand God’s word is to get back to the original language and culture to understand what the original writers were saying. Yeshua is coming back, are you ready? We must live and prepare our lives as if Yeshua will return in the far future yet be ready if He returns tomorrow. It is good to make plans, yet YHVH has the final say.


Shalom... Rabbi Ben Avraham(Yakov)
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Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281394-Lifting-up-Offerings-to-Adonai-LEV-6-8-8-36
Saving Works https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281384-Saving-Works?goto=newpost Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:02:52 GMT Good works were always meant to take place in Man through the word of God. God communicates His virtue through His word to us when we obey that word. We may obey God's word consciously or unconsciously. What matters is that when God speaks to our conscience we obey that voice. Then we will do good works.

But salvation is more than just doing good works. Salvation is the matter of acknowledging that virtue comes from God's word, and that Christ is that word. When we accept him as our source of virtue, we embrace him as the reservoir of our righteousness within, and produce good works.

Faith saves us because it accepts Christ as our source of righteousness. When we accept him we accept him as the only legitimate way of life that is righteous. In accepting him we accept that without him we are wicked, and must draw upon his reservoir of righteousness to produce good works.

But in embracing Christ as our basis of salvation we must know who he is. He is not only the voice to our conscience, but he is also the one testified to in the Bible and demonstrated in the lives of Christians. When we accept Christ, we accept this standard of righteousness, which is our salvation. Unless we produce Christ in our lives, we are not saved. ]]>
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Who and what is the Babylon of Revelation? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281255-Who-and-what-is-the-Babylon-of-Revelation?goto=newpost Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:45:26 GMT Revelation 17:1-5 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of... Revelation 17:1-5
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

The physical city of Babylon was originally built by Nimrod after the flood and was by the Euphrates River. The name Babylon came from the Tower of Babel that was constructed there and means "the portal of the gods", or "gate of the gods". Jesus is the spiritual husband of the church therefore if a church unites with or receives favors of one who is not her husband, she commits spiritual adultery.

Here we see Babylon is called the “great whore” who committed fornication or spiritual adultery. The “many waters” she sits on are the countless people she has deceived and “made drunk” with her doctrines. The “kings of the earth” represent civil powers or the power of the state. When churches lose the power of the gospel to transform hearts and lives they turn to the power of the state to support their doctrines and thus they commit spiritual fornication.

We see this repeated in many verses in Revelation...


Revelation 14:8
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 16:19
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

The name Babylon or "the portal of the gods" in a sense portrays a means of access to the gods that is contrary to Gods plan. Access is granted through the system and not by faith in Jesus Christ. It is a system where salvation by works replaces salvation by faith. Numerous verses in the book of Revelation warn against Babylon, and admonish Gods people to come out of Babylon.

Revelation 18:1-3 1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


The unclean and hateful birds reference the counterfeit spirit of demons that would power the system and lead people to believe that they are working with the power of God when it is a deception masquerading as truth. In verse 4, John hears "another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." This warns Gods people not to become entangled with this "Mystery Babylon" so they are not "partakers of her sins" or her abominations to avoid the "her plagues".

The Babylon is not the physical Babylon but spiritual Babylon as we see even Peter used it.

1 Peter 5:13
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Peter wrote these words when literal Babylon no longer existed. The woman that rides the beast also has all the identifying features as we see, "the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication". The great prostitute is obviously not a good woman and has issues that go beyond just a few mistakes. So who and what is this spiritual Babylon? ]]>
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<![CDATA[PURIM, What's it all about? (Book of Esther)]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281236-PURIM-What-s-it-all-about-(Book-of-Esther)?goto=newpost Thu, 21 Mar 2019 03:42:36 GMT A QUICK MIDRASH ON THE BOOK OF ESTHER, SINCE PURIM IS UPON US. A long time ago, in a palace called Sushan, in the kingdom of Persia, there was a king named Ahasuerus who had just a little too much to drink, he called for his wife and he... A QUICK MIDRASH ON THE BOOK OF ESTHER, SINCE PURIM IS UPON US.


A long time ago, in a palace called Sushan, in the kingdom of Persia, there was a king named Ahasuerus who had just a little too much to drink, he called for his wife and he called for more wine, and the wine he got but the wife he got not! His wife Vashti refused to come,


” Hey, husband, Mr. King, I have my own party, kinda busy now, so, later dude...”


Wrong response, that cost her job, she got fired! She got “de-queened” But when King Ahasuerus sobered up again when the Manashevitz ran out, he said, “Oi Vey, what have I done?” Did I really fire the queen?” “Yeah,” his counselors said, “and you signed her out of the palace too, can't get her back now... But. You can send out for a replacement queen!”


” Welllll, Okkkkeeyy” let's have a beauty contest, the prettiest girl gets to be queen, that'll work”


So, we know the rest of the story, Esther (Hadasah) the niece of Mordechai becomes queen. This is not by accident, even though YHVH's name is never mentioned, He is still controlling the situation. The Book of Esther reveals YHVH's activity in spite of his name being omitted. He is still there on the scene, behind the scene, controlling all the events; We can even see symbolism in the characters and events.


Did it just happen that Vashti got fired and the king arranged for a beauty contest? And that of all the pretty women in the kingdom, all virgins, that Hadasah (Esther) was chosen... I would say that YHVH arranged the whole thing...put everything and everyone in its place and in his and her place, for a reason.


HaSatan is always out to destroy the Jewish people, and this time, he used Haman to try and do it. So, Haman is a type of HaSatan. God places Mordechai at the right place at the right time, in order to learn of two plots, one plot to assassinate the king, the other to murder all the Jews of the provinces controlled by Persia.


He sends word to his niece, now queen, of the plans, both plans were revealed by Mordechai, to Queen Esther. Now she has to let the king know. But he hasn't sent for her in a month, to go before the king without being summoned is a death penalty, but she prays and fasts and so do the Jews of Shushan area, Since the king loves Esther, He receives her, she touches his scepter, and she invites him to two parties, along with Haman,


Now Haman already has an attitude against Mordechai since he will not bow before his presence, I think YHVH has a bit of a sense of humor, Haman rides on a horse and looks down at the people under him, and everyone bows before him in homage, except Mordechai. Now, The king orders Mordechai to ride a horse, wear a crown, and royal apparel, while Haman is below him and has to look up! Interesting change of events.


Haman's plot to have the Jews killed is revealed, the king is wroth, orders Haman to be hanged on the same gallows (75 feet high) that he meant for Mordechai. That was one big and tall neck-stretcher! Haman probably grew a few more inches in a matter of seconds in that fall from “heaven to earth” by a rope. Remind you of someone who was cast down from “the heavens to earth?” a few thousand years ago?


The Jews defended themselves on the 13th day of Adar, which was today, March 20th! And won the battle, they also collected the “spoils of war” which was a custom back then, and still is in some parts. To the victor go the spoils, like weapons, money, combat equipment, etc., that the enemy used.


Mordechai, who became a leader under the king much as Pharaoh appointed Yosef as Vizor, appointed the days 14h and 15th of Adar as two days to remember, and we should also remember the 13th as well, the day that the Jews gained victory over their enemies. This year, 2019, they are March 20, 21st and 22nd.


The King and Esther can symbolize YHVH and mankind, the only way to gain access to our Heavenly Father is through YESHUA, the scepter can symbolize YESHUA, we can only come by invitation, the Father invites us to come to him THROUGH YESHUA, if the scepter is not extended, you don't come, without the scepter, death is for sure,


We can look at it this way too. Esther can symbolize YESHUA, and the king, our Heavenly Father, As Esther intervened before the king for her people, so does YESHUA intervene before the Father on our behalf.


Esther, the bride, and wife, can also symbolize all believers, the “Kehilah” of Messiah. And the king, Messiah Yeshua. As King Ahasuerus loved Esther so much that he listened to her petition, so Yeshua loves his bride and soon to be wife, so much that he gave up his life for us all, on Calvary's cross. His bride consists of all believers everywhere. He listens to our petitions, our prayers, and he responds according to his perfect will.


Satan was defeated again back then. Never bow the head or knee to HaSatan, as Mordechai resisted Haman, so should all believers resist the temptations that are thrown at us by the father of lies. So, let us rejoice this day and tomorrow, remembering the Feast of Lots, (Purim) which fell upon the 13th day of Adar, a day meant for destruction of the Jewish people, but death and destruction were changed to continued life and prosperity for “b'nei Israel” and so we continue to exist, and will always exist, and be the apple of our Savior's eye, for all eternity.



THE BOOK OF ESTHER - Midrash and Symbolism


The reading of the book of Esther during the time of Purim is customary, and when one reads the entire book, one will notice that the name of God is never mentioned. We do not see “LORD” or God nor even in the Hebrew is the name “Adonai” or “Elohim” written in the entire book, yet the intervention of Adonai is clearly there. There is also symbolism in the characters that play a part in this true Biblical drama of suspense and final victory.


The characters are; King Ahasuerus, king of Persia, Vashti, Esther, Mordechai, Haman. There are more characters but these are the main players. As we know from the reading, the king throws a six-month party, gets drunk, invites queen Vashti to his part of the party to show her to his guests, she refuses, she is deposed, she is replaced by Esther who becomes the new queen of Persia.


The first symbolism that we could see is this; The king could be a picture of Yeshua who receives his bride (Esther) He extends the scepter to receive her, and when we accept Yeshua as Messiah and LORD in our lives, we are joining in the “body of the bride”. (of course, we would never imagine our Messiah as a drunkard, that would be the exception).


The second symbolism could be that the king symbolizes the master. The master calls for his servant (Vashti) she refuses the master’s request to come. The master then turns to the second servant, (Esther) and she accepts the follow the master (in marriage). Which one of the servants do we identify ourselves with? Of course, with Esther. We must be careful never to say “No” to our LORD, Messiah, and Master, lest we be replaced by someone else who will heed the calling.


Saying “No” to Yeshua in serving him in ways of his calling could result in lost blessings, being replaced by someone else who WILL obey.


The third symbolism can be in the character of Mordechai. He acted as Esther’s counselor and advisor. He supported her in all ways. We, as the body of Messiah, need counselors in ministry, those that will support us, and guide us. There are no “Lone Rangers” in ministry. As the Apostle Paul had Barnabas, we also need our “Mordechai” who will advise us and give us that “push” when we need to be “pushed” a bit.


The fourth symbolism is that of Haman, who of course, as we can all imagine, symbolizes Satan, who wishes to destroy the Jewish people. Esther and the King team up to destroy Haman. She invites the king and Haman to her party, and Haman gets stretched out on the end of the rope.


Yeshua destroyed the curse of sin and death whose author is Satan. Satan was conquered at Calvary’s cross. The body of Messiah, his beloved bride and “queen” is also involved because when we direct a person to accept Yeshua as Messiah and LORD, being “Born-again” (John 3:3) we are taking another soul from the grasp of HaSatan. We are pulling the “rope” that hangs Haman. And as the word “Purim” starts with the letter “P” (Pey) and ends with the letter “M” (mem) we are to use our “mouth” (Pey) to share this story with the “masses of humanity” (mem) to all who would listen and understand.





Rabbi Ben Avraham ]]>
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Jesus is YHWH verses https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281226-Jesus-is-YHWH-verses?goto=newpost Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:13:36 GMT I am starting this thread in Bible Chat, so that it can be reviewed by a broader membership of the forum.


What has inspired me to do it, is several threads in the special 'Areopagus subforum' where several threads questioning the Trinity and deity of Christ are being discussed.


Two simple tips can be used, by anyone, to do some of this study, with just a plain NKJV English bible. (Other translations also support this, but I specifically remember the NKJV does this).


In the Old Testament (OT) any time the name YHWH is used, the NKJV (and most English bibles) render it in English as 'LORD' (all caps). Mixed case 'Lord' would be referring to a different Hebrew word besides YHWH.


Also, in the New Testament (NT), any time a phrase or verse is listed, that is a quote of an OT phrase or verse, the verse in the NT is presented in quotes and italics (in printed bibles, not always in online bibles). (example):


OT YHWH specific passages.


Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD[YHWH], make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: And the glory of the LORD[YHWH] shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it"

Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD[YHWH] shall be delivered: as he LORD[YHWH]hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. "

Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD[YHWH], the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD[YHWH] the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD[YHWH]of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the LORD[YHWH] defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced"

Isaiah 45:21 "have not I the LORD[YHWH]? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. "

Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD[YHWH] of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Isaiah 28:16 "Therefore thus saith the LORD[YHWH] God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."







NT Jesus specific passages, telling us Jesus is YHWH of the OT


Luke 3:2 "(Jesus ) the word of God came unto John the son of Zachariah in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

Romans 9:27, 10:9 9:27 Isaiah also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. "

Revelation 1:17 "And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen"
Revelation 2:8 "These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;"
Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. "

John 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. "

Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord"

I Peter 2:5 "Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble "

Acts 4:10 "Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. "

Matthew 20:17 "The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. "






The NT writers, new the OT scriptures; and they chose to say that Jesus was YHWH, by applying the OT passages about YHWH to Jesus Christ.
Either it was blasphemy and the N.T. should be rejected, or it is truth and should be accepted.


Let the reader decide, as the Holy Spirit leads unto all understanding. ]]>
Bible Chat David Taylor https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281226-Jesus-is-YHWH-verses
<![CDATA[The Identities of the "Serpent" (Num 21:6; John 3:14)]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281075-The-Identities-of-the-quot-Serpent-quot-(Num-21-6-John-3-14)?goto=newpost Tue, 19 Mar 2019 03:54:45 GMT SYMBOLISM IN THE “SERPENT” (Num 21:6; John 3:14) When we read about “The Serpent” in the Torah/Bible, we are reminded of Satan. “The Devil is the Serpent.” 99% of the time, it DOES symbolize “HaSatan.” But what about the other 1%. If it... SYMBOLISM IN THE “SERPENT” (Num 21:6; John 3:14)


When we read about “The Serpent” in the Torah/Bible, we are reminded of Satan. “The Devil is the Serpent.” 99% of the time, it DOES symbolize “HaSatan.” But what about the other 1%. If it isn’t HaSatan, then, who can it be? Are you thinking about Messiah? Really? Seriously? Well, let’s see.


We read in the Torah when the people of Israel sinned and complained, that Adonai sent “fiery serpents” to bite the people. Some translations say that they were “Seraphim” angels of fire, or perhaps the “Seraphim” directed the serpents to bite the people. One can only wonder. Yet when the people repented, Adonai directed Moshe to erect a bronze serpent on a pole and whoever looked at it, would be healed of the serpent poison.(Numbers 21:6-9)


In John 3:14, Yeshua speaks saying; “As Moshe lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so the Son of Man be lifted up.”


Does this mean that the serpent, in this case, is Messiah? Or is the bronze serpent “likened” unto Messiah in being “lifted up?’


Here are some things to ponder on. The people were poisoned by the serpents’ bites, yet the same serpent on the pole, when looked at, healed the one looking at it. Scientists take snake venom and make serum out of it, so as to heal people who are bitten by that same snake. The venom that kills, is the venom that heals.


In our case, sin kills, yet Messiah Yeshua carried our sins on the cross, so being filled with our sins, we who look and trust IN Him, who carried our sins, are healed! What else can we see?


In Hebrew gematria. The words we look at are; “Nachash” (serpent) and “Mashiach” (Messiah). When we add up the number values, they both equal “358”. “Nun, Chet, Sheen” = 358, “Mem, Sheen, Yod, Chet” = 358.


Then we look at the symbolism in these numbers. 3 = Elohim, 5=grace, 8=new beginning. What can we see in the number 358 then? One way we can look at it is; “Elohim gives grace in our new beginning” (as born-again believers, we are saved by “saving grace”. 3+5+8 = 16. 1=Echad, 6=man. “Elohim who is “Echad” (the Unity of ONE) became man (to save mankind from the curse of sin). “16” 1+6=7. “7” is perfection.


What then can be the whole message? “Elohim, who is “echad” ONEness in three, in his grace toward mankind, became a perfect man, without sin, so that mankind, whosoever that “looks up” to HIM, might be saved and have a “new beginning”.



Shalom... Ben Avraham ]]>
Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/281075-The-Identities-of-the-quot-Serpent-quot-(Num-21-6-John-3-14)
Moses and God and ministry https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280905-Moses-and-God-and-ministry?goto=newpost Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:00:54 GMT Moses was a King in Egypt, but became a shepherd in the wilderness. He learned to lead a flock. After learning to be a shepherd, God used him to lead Israel, God's flock. There was a time when the Lord got agitated (a soft word considering the circumstances) with Israel and told Moses something astounding.

Exodus 33:1 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, "Depart, go up from here, you and the people whom you have brought up from the land of Egypt, to the land of which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'To your descendants I will give it.' 2 "I will send an angel before you and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. 3 "Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; for I will not go up in your midst, because you are an obstinate people, and I might destroy you on the way."

He told Moses that He would help Israel come into the life of fullness! He would help them overcome the strongholds in battle. They would conquer the promised land. BUT, God would not go with them. Instead, He would send His angel ahead of them.

Moses had the chance to minister to people. To help them. To help bring them into God's promises. To help them overcome the strongholds in their lives. But it would be done, without God! That was the offer that God made to Moses. Basically, God was saying "I'll honor my word. I will keep my promises to you and to the people. But I am not going to be with you." What a terrifying thought! A life of fullness in the natural, and even victory over my strongholds, but without the presence of God.

Moses, a man who loved God said this later in the chapter:

Exodus 33:12 Then Moses said to the Lord, "See, You say to me, 'Bring up this people!' But You Yourself have not let me know whom You will send with me. Moreover, You have said, 'I have known you by name, and you have also found favor in My sight.' 13 "Now therefore, I pray You, if I have found favor in Your sight, let me know Your ways that I may know You, so that I may find favor in Your sight. Consider too, that this nation is Your people." 14 And He said, "My presence shall go with you, and I will give you rest." 15 Then he said to Him, "If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here. 16 "For how then can it be known that I have found favor in Your sight, I and Your people? Is it not by Your going with us, so that we, I and Your people, may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth?"

Moses did not want ministry that improved people's lives without God being there too. Also, Moses readily admitted that He did not understand why God was behaving as He did and asked God to help him learn His ways. God granted all that was in Moses' heart. His presence went with Moses and Moses learned God's heart, His ways. The Psalmist said that Moses knew God's ways and Israel knew His acts.

As ministers of the gospel, we can move forward in ministry and see God help people. He will send His angel to enforce His word. People will get set free. They will get saved, delivered, overcome their strongholds, but all that can happen without God being with us in His manifest presence. Let us be careful that we do not move out to build our ministry, or to solely improve people's spiritual lives, etc. For ultimately, the main purpose, is to make sure we are intimate with God, with His heart, with His ways, and that when it comes to others, we minister WITH Him (or more accurately, He ministers while we walk with Him) rather than ministering just so mankind can have a better spiritual life, or be improved, or our own reputation, or for a blessing to "our" ministry, or even just "FOR" Him as He keeps His promises and enforces His word.

Written in fear and trembling.

God bless! ]]>
Bible Chat Brother Mark https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280905-Moses-and-God-and-ministry
Why the Spirit is given to Jesus? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280903-Why-the-Spirit-is-given-to-Jesus?goto=newpost Sat, 16 Mar 2019 05:59:06 GMT Acts 2.33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Do you have an explanation as to why God the Father gave Jesus the "promised Holy Spirit" after he had been "exalted to the right hand of God?" I have my own inclinations, which I may share later, if there is some good input on this.

I do find that there are many Christians who have been ignorant of the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, and that includes me. I've been a Pentecostal for many years, but was raised up in the Lutheran Church. So the change in theology, from the classic "salvation of Jesus" to the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" brought about some confusion in my mind. Pentecostals, raised up in the Pentecostal tradition, simply accepted the "Spirit Baptism" without thought. But more traditional Christian thought has had to challenge some of their assumptions, as have I.

One thing I agree with my Pentecostal brethren, however. And that is on the importance of the Holy Spirit in the Christian life. We are to be "filled with the Spirit," making melody in our hearts to the Lord and praying continually. We are to walk in the light, and make the most of every opportunity. This is the "Spirit-filled life."

What I'd like to say initially, however, is that Jesus walked in the Spirit before he "received the promised Holy Spirit." And prophets in the OT also "spoke by the Spirit of God." So the Baptism of the Holy Spirit seems to be a special anointing upon the Church to preach the Gospel, just as the prophets of old received the power of the Holy Spirit to proclaim the word of God to their own generation.

Christian salvation, therefore, should always be characterized by spiritual living. But we should also rely on the power of the Spirit to proclaim our testimony. We do not need to wait for another Pentecost, however, since the Spirit has already been given both to Jesus and to the Church. What we do need, though, is to be led by the Spirit when we are proclaiming the Gospel, so that it will be carried out in power.

Any thoughts? ]]>
Bible Chat randyk https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280903-Why-the-Spirit-is-given-to-Jesus
How do the Levitical offerings point to YESHUA/JESUS? Lev 1:1-6:7 https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280901-How-do-the-Levitical-offerings-point-to-YESHUA-JESUS-Lev-1-1-6-7?goto=newpost Sat, 16 Mar 2019 03:42:54 GMT PARASHA: “Vayikra” (and he called) LEVITICUS 1:1-6:7………ISAIAH 43:21-44:23……MARK 11:1-12:44 We start the book of Leviticus, this part of the Torah has to do with the Mishkan (the tabernacle) now ready to be used, and the sacrificial system... PARASHA: “Vayikra” (and he called)



LEVITICUS 1:1-6:7………ISAIAH 43:21-44:23……MARK 11:1-12:44




We start the book of Leviticus, this part of the Torah has to do with the Mishkan (the tabernacle) now ready to be used, and the sacrificial system that will be instituted within the Mishkan. All the sacrifices point to and illustrate MESSIAH YESHUA (Jesus the Christ) who he is and what his one-time sacrifice means to us as believers. Even though the sacrificial system was completed with Messiah's death on Calvary, it is still worthwhile studying the meaning of it all, since it is a very integral part of the Torah.


One interesting part of the word; “Vayikra” is that in the Hebrew, there is a small “Aleph” at the end of the word. Some ask as to why? Why is the “Aleph” small and a bit elevated? One answer is that it reminds us that we must approach God in a humble way, we must humble ourselves when we look up to HIM.


The first thing you must do is read over the scripture verses, from Chapter 1:1 through 6:7. Now we are ready for a discussion. The whole idea of a “Korban” (offering) is to generate the idea of “substitution”. Also, the word “Korban” symbolizes “coming close to God.” Our sin separates us from God, yet through the blood, in our case, the blood of Yeshua, we come “close” to God.


The sacrificial system involves; a gift, a death, a substitute, a renewed “close” relationship. “The gift (HaMatanah)” comes from the person offering, which is an animal. The animal, which would be a goat, a lamb, a bull, or a bird, would be killed and the blood splattered on the altar (Mizbeach), the animal would be a “substitute” for the person who offers it. The sins of the person “transfer” to the animal. Through the sacrifice, the relationship between the offerer and YHVH is renewed. But remember that the “sacrifices” are just symbolic of what they really mean, which is Messiah Yeshua taking on ALL of our sins and him being nailed to the cross, and shedding his blood for our sins, giving us a “renewed” relationship with Him, through a “born-again” experience.


There were 5 kinds of “korbanot” (offerings); 1. The burnt offering (Olah) 2. The sin offering, 3. The guilt or trespass offering; 4. The Peace offering (Korban Shelamim) 5. The grain or meat offering (Minchah). Each one identifies our relationship with Messiah Yeshua.


THE BURNT OFFERING (Olah) This involved animal sacrifice, the animal was completely burned on the altar and the ashes taken away and buried “outside the camp” the head, the inner organs, and the legs were burned as well. The pieces of the animal were arranged on the altar and burned. The head could symbolize our “thoughts” the inner organs could represent our “inner being, the heart, and the legs, our “walk” all of these were “offered up” to YHVH, thus symbolizing our “complete surrender to God in all that we are and have. The altar as you remember was made of hardwood overlaid with bronze and had a grill in the middle, and under the grill was earth and stones. Wood was laid on the grill and the animals were cut up and laid on the grill and burned. This reminds us of Yeshua who was “sacrificed” by his own free will on a WOODEN cross and was consumed by the “fires of judgment” He was judged for OUR SINS. The animal’s throat was cut and the blood was poured out and splashed on the altar. The person offering the animal showed that he/his family was “offering themselves to the LORD”. It also symbolizes our awareness of our sin nature. This sacrifice originated in Genesis, with Adam and Eve, Abel offered an “Olah Korban” so did Abraham, when he offered up the ram instead of his son Isaac, so did Noah, when he left the ark.


THE SIN OFFERING (korban chatat) This also involved animal sacrifice. It symbolized our specific sins that we commit by mistake, (active) or something we do not do, or forget to do (passive). In this korban, the person would offer the animal as a sacrifice, the person would place his hands on the head of the animal, transferring his “sins” into the animal, which would be the “substitute. The animal’s throat would be cut and the blood splattered on the altar. The priest would offer on the altar the fat, the liver, and the kidneys of the animal. These could symbolize our inner being. In this, the person confessed their sins and they did it by free will, and the animal symbolized Yeshua who paid our sin price in full.


THE TRESPASS OR GUILT OFFERING; This involved the same process, only that the person who committed an offense against another would also have to bring compensation for the wrongdoing, either in payment in silver or gold, or payment with animals. When we offend another person, be the person a brother or sister in Messiah or an unbeliever, we need to “compensate” the sin, if we can do it, sometimes, we cannot, if the sin is against the person’s character, no amount of money can repay the damage done, only a sincere confession in humbleness. So, we need to watch our “walk”.


THE PEACE OFFERING (Shelamim). The word “Shelamim” comes from “Shalom” (peace) this was an enjoyable sacrifice in which both the priest and the offerer and his family would enjoy “roast beef, goat, or lamb”


This was a “thankfulness” offering for blessings received. The animal was offered in the same way, only the meat was shared between the priest and his family, and the offeror and his family. We see this kind of “korban” even today in the parks, when families go out and BBQ ribs (hopefully beef and not pork) chicken, beef sausage, steaks, etc., many times they invite friends and family to enjoy in the “grilling and BBQ” they also have bread, or tostadas, tortillas, drinks, salad, etc. to accompany the meal.


THE MEAL OR MEAT OFFERING (Minchah) this was a non-blood offering on the altar, in this korban, fine flour was offered, mixed with olive oil, frankincense, and also, the flour was made into cakes, rolls of bread, or flatbreads (tortillas) but made without leaven or honey. These usually accompanied the peace offerings, to make the meal a “feast”. The fine flour symbolizes “YESHUA THE BREAD OF LIFE” the oil THE RUACH HA KODESH (The Holy Spirit) the frankincense, OUR FELLOWSHIP THROUGH PRAYER. The animal itself represented Yeshua who gave his life for us and took upon himself ALL of our sins, past, present, and future. The word “KORBAN” (sacrifice) comes from the Hebrew verb KARAV which means; “to come near”


We can only come near to YHVH through the shed blood of Messiah Yeshua, who was the “sacrificed lamb” the Bible says that “without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sins” Our sins were “atoned for once and forever. That is why the “new covenant” or “renewed” covenant is a BETTER covenant because there is no more need for animal sacrifices because YESHUA took their place.




ISAIAH 43:21-44:23




YHVH speaks through the Prophet Yeshayahu and is complaining that Israel has forgotten about God, they no longer bring sacrifices but are engrossed in sin, He explains that craftsmen will use their skill to make idols, that have no value, what a waste of craftsmanship! They can take iron and make a plowshare, swords, and even an idol. Is the fault in the iron? Or in the craftsman? Iron is just material from the ground, the craftsman can turn it into something for usefulness or for idolatry. The worker in wood can cut down trees, make perhaps a plow, a wheel, use the wood for fuel for the fire, or make a wooden idol. Is it the wood’s fault? or does the fault lie with the craftsman? Even today, we can use money either to buy food for our family, pay our bills, or buy and sell drugs! Does the fault lie in the money? Or the use of it? We can use money to honor or dishonor God and those around us, the choice is ours. God cries out to Israel; “I SHALL WIPE OUT YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS LIKE A CLOUD, AND YOUR SINS LIKE A MIST, RETURN TO ME AND I SHALL REDEEM YOU” (44:22) The promise still stands. If we “shuv” to HIM, HE will save us!




MARK 11:1-12:44




There are several themes in these verses. Yeshua is in all of them. One theme is that when he went into the temple in Yerushalayim, he threw over the money tables and chased out the money changers, saying “My house is a House of prayer but you have made it a den of thieves” there are many synagogues and some churches that refuse to conduct business on the Sabbath or on the day of worship because they are reminded of that verse. However, Yeshua called them “thieves” these money changers were exchanging foreign money such as Greek “drachmas” and Roman “Denarii” for Israel “Shekels” in order to buy sacrifice animals. Many times, the money changers would not honor the exchange rate, and would “cheat” the clients. If 12 Mexican pesos equaled 1 US dollar, it would be like accepting the 12 pesos and giving the person 75 cents! Perhaps these money changers were cheating in this way.


In 12:29-31 Yeshua quotes the “Shema” Hear O Israel YHVH is our Elohim, YHVH is ONE (Echad) and he continues, Love Elohim with all your heart, being, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Yeshua just summed up all the 613 commandments in two verses! Because all the commandments have to do with our relationship with YHVH and our relationship with our fellow man. That is the purpose of Bible study, to learn of these commandments and put them into practice, so as to deepen our relationship with Messiah Yeshua and to be a good witness to our fellow man, and…bring lost mankind to a saving relationship with Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Christ)






Shabbat Shalom………………. Rabbi Ben Avraham ]]>
Bible Chat Yakov https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280901-How-do-the-Levitical-offerings-point-to-YESHUA-JESUS-Lev-1-1-6-7
The real abomination of desolation :) Food for thought. https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280877-The-real-abomination-of-desolation-)-Food-for-thought?goto=newpost Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:37:48 GMT I've been following but not commenting on the threads about the "abomination of desolation". Maybe it is time to speak about another view but by no means, do I wish to say this one replaces the historical or yet to be abomination of desolations that have occurred or will occur. There is a literal abomination of desolation. But there's also a personal one for us as well. Also note the word order... it is an abomination of desolation. It is not an abomination that causes desolation but rather, one that results from desolation.

2 Thess 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

God created the body to be His temple. We know the scriptures that say this. But, before Jesus comes, the man of sin must be revealed. Before Jesus comes, our heart is desolate, empty of righteousness and full of sin. And for each of us, there comes a time when God opens up the eyes of our heart and we see that we have placed ourselves on the throne in the temple (our heart/body). We have declared ourselves god of our own lives. We have ruled as we saw fit. We have done what is right in our own eyes. We thought we knew good and evil, and we did, though it was a perverted and twisted version of good and evil we still knew it on some level. Because of that, we were full of judgment of other people, full of sin. We were the abomination (and are) of desolation. God wasn't in us and it showed! Our sin was a huge black hole that was so large, we became undone before Him. And God began to show us that we are the "man of sin" who set himself up as god in the "temple" and committed the "abomination of desolation". As we repent of being our own god, only then can or will Jesus appear in glory to us as Savior and everything changes after that!

God bless! ]]>
Bible Chat Brother Mark https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280877-The-real-abomination-of-desolation-)-Food-for-thought
<![CDATA[Jesus/Yeshua's Title as "The Great Mountain" ZECH 4:7]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280854-Jesus-Yeshua-s-Title-as-quot-The-Great-Mountain-quot-ZECH-4-7?goto=newpost Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:48:52 GMT * YESHUA; THE GREAT MOUNTAIN* * We know the different titles of Yeshua, like “The Bread of Life,” “The Light of the World,” “The Living Water,” “The Good Shepherd,” and many more, but have... YESHUA; THE GREAT MOUNTAIN


We know the different titles of Yeshua, like “The Bread of Life,” “The Light of the World,” “The Living Water,” “The Good Shepherd,” and many more, but have you heard of “Yeshua, the Great Mountain?” This is a title that is not well known, yet it is a title. It comes from the book of Zechariah;

“Who are you? A Great Mountain before Zerubbabel? A plain, and He shall bring forth the Top Stone with shoutings of grace, grace unto it (him). (Zechariah 4:7)

The question; “who are you?” indicates that it IS a person that the mountain refers to. We can see some symbolism in the original Hebrew; “Mi atah HaHar HaGadol?” In this verse, we can find the letters YHVH.
If we look at the “Sod” understanding of “HaHar, HaGadol” (A Great Mountain) using gematria, the two words sum “703.” One way we can look at this number is; “The Perfect, Eternal, Elohim.”

Two other words which can point to Mashiach are “plain” (mishor) and “Top Stone’ (Aven). While a mountain is “very high” or “tall”, a plain, on the other hand, is lower than a mountain and flat. Yeshua was with the Father in Heaven, yet he left his place “On High” to come “down” to earth to dwell among men. Serve, heal, teach, and finally, die for our sins. The Hebrew word “mishor” comes from “Yashar” which means “straight” or “blameless” Yeshua was “straight and blameless” Hitting the mark, fulfilling all the Torah and the Prophets. The word; “Yashar” is part of the word “Yisrael” it means “Yashar-El” (Straight to God).

The “Top Stone” is the most important stone, “Stone” in Hebrew is “Aven” which is the combination of “Av” (Father) and “Ben” (Son). And who is the “he” that brings forth the “Top Stone?” Could it be the Father who brings forth the Son? And the Son is full of “Chen” (grace). The word “Grace” is mentioned twice. The word “it” can also be translated “him” There are two types of “grace;” Saving grace and Covenant grace. By grace, we are saved, and through the renewed covenant, we “grow” in grace and faith.

Another verse that can support this is Isaiah 52:13; “He shall be lifted up and be very high” What on earth is higher than a mountain? Yeshua died for our sins, was buried and then, “lifted up” resurrected and now is “on high.” He came from being “on high” to come down and be a “plain” and then was lifted up and ascended unto the Father once again.

Have a blessed day…..Rabbi Yakov







Ref: “The Return of the Kosher Pig” pgs 84-90 ]]>
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Hate https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280835-Hate?goto=newpost Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:00:06 GMT I know over the years there has been a lot of talk about this. My question is rather difficult to answer but here it is: When searching the hate (including all forms such as hates and hated) I come up with different number results from different... I know over the years there has been a lot of talk about this. My question is rather difficult to answer but here it is:

When searching the hate (including all forms such as hates and hated) I come up with different number results from different versions of the Bible, ie. New American Standard, King James and so on. I expected the numbers to vary but not in the range of double-digits. The reason I didn't expect such a big margin is because the word hate is very difficult to debate. It's pretty clear how the Bible defines hate as well as how people define it. In other words, hate doesn't have a "grey" area...I think we can all agree that even if there is a fine line between love and hate, there is still a line; a difference.

So when I searched "hate," the N.I.V. version has 127 results. But the N.A.S.B. version has 163 results...and I checked to make sure all tenses of the word were included. I haven't cross-referenced yet to see the differences. But with that many more versions of hate, can someone tell me why one version included that many more/less depending on your point of view? Having just a few like 5 would be confusing. But having 36 seems like a big margin to have with a such a strong word. ]]>
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Mistrust For Others? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280833-Mistrust-For-Others?goto=newpost Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:50:21 GMT What does Scripture say about trusting others (i.e.: your neighbor, or brother/sister in Christ)? Do you believe a general mistrust, except in relating to God, is a problem or even sinful? What would be some solutions? What does Scripture say about trusting others (i.e.: your neighbor, or brother/sister in Christ)? Do you believe a general mistrust, except in relating to God, is a problem or even sinful? What would be some solutions? ]]> Bible Chat Aviyah https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/280833-Mistrust-For-Others