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BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ Questions and answers. Any conceivable topic related to the Bible. en Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:25:48 GMT vBulletin 60 https://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board - Bible Chat https://bibleforums.org/ The words of Jesus Christ https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289450-The-words-of-Jesus-Christ?goto=newpost Sun, 21 Jul 2019 00:07:07 GMT Just a point many probably already understand .....Instruction and promise.... But *love ye your enemies, and do good*, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and *your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:* for he... Just a point many probably already understand .....Instruction and promise....



But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.


Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
**Luke‬ *6:35-38‬ *KJV‬‬






Do unto others......this is the word of the one to whom we must give an account of ourselves, the judge . As he's teaching the many principles of the kingdom like the one above to his followers....he's also saying repeated lessons like this


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
**John‬ *5:24-25‬ *KJV‬‬




It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
**John‬ *6:63‬ *KJV‬‬


“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
**John‬ *7:16-17‬ *KJV‬‬


“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins....


...I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.....


....Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things....


....Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin...If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.....


....He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.........Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
**John‬ *8:12, 23-24, 26, 28, 31-32, 34, 36, 47, 51‬ *KJV‬‬




Jesus entire ministry he was expressly saying " hear what I'm saying, keep it it is life , believe in me , believe my word I tell you the truth from God ....you will not see death, you will never die....But always his promises are tied to what he is teaching....


“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: "...... Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
**John‬ *18:36-37‬ *KJV‬‬


My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.”
**John‬ *10:27-29‬ *KJV‬‬




“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
**John‬ *11:25-26‬ *KJV‬‬


He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
**John‬ *12:48-50‬ *KJV‬‬


notice he keeps explaining he was sent by God and is speaking the things God told him to speak and teach? How he makes the point " I'm different you are from below I'm from above I came from heaven to earth...."

see Jesus came from heaven , to teach the things of God to mankind meant for salvation and eternal life to those who believe and eternal damnation to those who refuse to accept. He came to mediate the new and eternal covenant ....and then after he had spoken it forth he shed his blood in the similitude that Moses used to seal the first covenant at Sinai with Israel in blood.

And all along he is making these extraordinary promises about those who will hear and believe the gospel , those who will heed his word, accept his authority .....it's why one calls him Lord , were acknowledging his dominion over us, so then his words are our laws. It is the eternal kings decree


He continues making extraordinary claims about his word...



“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
**Matthew‬ *24:35‬ *KJV‬‬




“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
**Matthew‬ *24:14‬ *KJV‬‬


“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
**Hebrews‬ *13:8‬ *KJV‬‬




“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
**Matthew‬ *28:18-20‬ *KJV‬‬


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
**Mark‬ *16:15-16‬ *KJV‬‬



To share the gospel , we simply need to share the things Jesus taught his followers .....think it through and God bless.

Forgivness, mercy, reconciliation when there is an offense , compassion upon the meek and needy, actual care for the other people God loves so desperately ....this is what Jesus taught and said this doctrine is eternal life. Then the apostles remind us often not to stray from the teachings of Jesus Christ.... ]]>
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10% Tithing or Give What You Can? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289449-10-Tithing-or-Give-What-You-Can?goto=newpost Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:39:46 GMT Why do Churches still practice the 10% tithing? Is it a convenience thing? Some churches preach that this IS a command under the New Testament, when this is error. The New Testament states that if we sow sparingly, we will reap sparingly, vice... Why do Churches still practice the 10% tithing? Is it a convenience thing? Some churches preach that this IS a command under the New Testament, when this is error. The New Testament states that if we sow sparingly, we will reap sparingly, vice versa, many scriptures to attest to this.

There is a church nearby I attended a few times where the preacher will not talk about giving, all he states is: it is between you and God and he has returned money before when he feels the giving was more out of self motivation (controlling church decisions)They do not do an offering, if you have an offer, you just place it in the box at the back of the church. Are there other churches out there like this?

My questions are: Why still preach the 10% tithing? If you approach it in a different way, maybe the church would be given more than the 10%? I realize there are payroll and other bills, I am not advocating not giving, God has made it abundantly clear for us to give, but why the 10%?

It seems super archaic.

Thanks! ]]>
Bible Chat DavidC https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289449-10-Tithing-or-Give-What-You-Can
Will someone read this short paragraph and see if i left out anything? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289447-Will-someone-read-this-short-paragraph-and-see-if-i-left-out-anything?goto=newpost Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:39:30 GMT hi, I am trying to share the gospel with some people online and I want to make sure i didnt leave out anything. Have you all heard what God did for us? God gave us his Son the Lord Jesus Christ, so that we can be saved and go to heaven when we... hi, I am trying to share the gospel with some people online and I want to make sure i didnt leave out anything.

Have you all heard what God did for us? God gave us his Son the Lord Jesus Christ, so that we can be saved and go to heaven when we die. Our lives are short compared to where we will spend eternity. Heaven is described as a beautiful place full of joy with no more sorrow, sickness, suffering and death. The reason we all think wrong things, say wrong things, and do wrong things is because we were born sinful. People who are not saved will go to hell and be separated from the love of God. The good news is that around 2000 years ago the Son of God already paid the penalty for our sins with his own blood when he died for us on the cross. Jesus qualifies to be our Savior because he is fully God and fully man. He died in our place and was buried for three days and then he came back to life and walked out of the tomb defeating death. To be saved all you need to do is acknowledge before God that you are a sinner and put your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior. Do you believe in your heart the message I just shared with you and will you trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? If your answer is yes, then you are saved. You now have the Holy Spirit within you to help you live for God. You can learn about growing in godliness by reading the Holy Bible a little everyday. Colossians is a good place to start reading and you can find it online and read it for free. ]]>
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<![CDATA[Discussion Is the "earth" and the "world" the same thing ?]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289442-Is-the-quot-earth-quot-and-the-quot-world-quot-the-same-thing?goto=newpost Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:57:51 GMT
And the short answer is no . But let me explain .

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth
.

Genesis 1:2
And the
earth
was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:10
And God called the dry land
Earth
; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Are you getting the idea that that if it is not Seas then has to be Earth , correct ?

Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth
, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the
earth
; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the
earth
is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the
earth
.

Genesis 6:17
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the
earth
, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the
earth
shall die.

The created earth from verse one .

Genesis 7:4
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the
earth
forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the
earth
.

Notice where the rain is falling on the earth , not the lands , not the world ,not the kingdoms .

Genesis 7:10
And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the
earth


Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
Genesis 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Take notice that it took 40 days of rain to float the ark !

Gen.7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

The whole heaven and the whole earth .

Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


All the earth . And only Noah and the inhabitants of the ark are left alive . Notice the word ground and earth , driving home a point .

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Genesis 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.


A covenant between God and the earth and every living creature . The earth was flooded not world or worlds .

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<![CDATA[universal judgment at Christ's Coming]]> https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289439-universal-judgment-at-Christ-s-Coming?goto=newpost Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:47:45 GMT Noah's Flood was comprehensive within his civilization at that time. I don't personally know if *all* of mankind at that time lived in the Cradle of Civilization, and died in the Flood. I think it very possible that this Flood was meant to impact the whole world of *Noah's experience,* as a warning of world judgment by fire at the end of history.

So if Noah's Flood was a warning that all the world would one day be judged by fire, what does this mean? Does it mean that only part of the world will be judged, leaving the righteous unscathed? Does it mean that all of the world must suffer eternal sentencing at Christ's Coming, for Heaven or Hell? Or, is this just a way of saying that when the world is "grown up" that all the world must suffer judgment similar to what Noah's civilization had to suffer?

I think it was a prediction that sin in mankind always degenerates over time. A nation may start well, but later, the influences of sin tend to take over a society. Then the society must experience comprehensive judgment. We saw this in primitive times with Israel, and we've seen it in the last few centuries in Germany.

My personal feeling is that this is a warning about great devastation at the end of the age, and not just about eternal sentencing of men to their eternal destiny. It is a warning to men not to capitulate to evil in a day of evil, so that when the earth goes through this final phase of judgment, it will not *lead* to eternal damnation.

The predicted devastation coming will be, I think, Armageddon--an international nuclear war, in my opinion. It's a warning that God will not tolerate wickedness, and will demonstrate such by bringing great destruction upon the world by war. I think that is the message of John's Revelation. ]]>
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Who is the house of Israel to you today? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289431-Who-is-the-house-of-Israel-to-you-today?goto=newpost Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:53:36 GMT I was wondering on the Christian knowledge of scriptures as to who they feel is the house of Israel today. Of course we know this started with Jacob who's name was changed to Israel. I wanted to know what Christians thought. ]]> Bible Chat kyCyd https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289431-Who-is-the-house-of-Israel-to-you-today How long do you think it will be until Jesus comes? https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289423-How-long-do-you-think-it-will-be-until-Jesus-comes?goto=newpost Sat, 13 Jul 2019 04:05:31 GMT This isn't about date setting, which is against forum rules. Nor is this another end time debate thread. Simply, how long do you think it will be until Jesus returns?


Further, does your vote change anything in your life? For example, those who believe Jesus will return in less than 5 years, how does that affect your plans? If 20+ years, does that change anything for you?

Well, I am in the "Less than 5 years" camp. Things like retirement saving, buying property, and wealth are not of any interest to me.


Lastly, a hypothetical question. If Jesus appeared to you in person and told you He was coming in less than five years, (or something that convinced you of that fact) how would you live your life? If you really and truly knew Jesus was coming soon, what would you do differently, or continue doing? Would you sell what you had and give to the poor? Would you focus on storing up treasure for yourself in heaven? (Not meaning that to be selfish. Jesus commanded it.) Would you forsake all and evangelize an unreached people? What would you do?

I realize that may not be an easy thing to contemplate, but I'm curious about your thoughts. Thanks.


Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, then the end will come.



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Bible Chat JohnE https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289423-How-long-do-you-think-it-will-be-until-Jesus-comes
These signs shall follow them that believe https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289401-These-signs-shall-follow-them-that-believe?goto=newpost Mon, 08 Jul 2019 11:06:06 GMT I was recently in a discussion with a Pentecostal who cited the following verses below in an effort to teach that ONLY those who believe and are baptized will be saved, along with these signs mentioned below MUST follow or else you have not been... I was recently in a discussion with a Pentecostal who cited the following verses below in an effort to teach that ONLY those who believe and are baptized will be saved, along with these signs mentioned below MUST follow or else you have not been saved. He calls that the gospel. He especially heavily focuses on tongues and believes that everyone who has not spoken in tongues have not received the Holy Spirit and are not saved. Just how wide spread is that ludicrous doctrine within Pentecostal circles?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and
preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. ]]>
Bible Chat mailmandan https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289401-These-signs-shall-follow-them-that-believe
Discussion Location: Garden of Eden https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289106-Location-Garden-of-Eden?goto=newpost Thu, 04 Jul 2019 09:42:20 GMT There are few clues in the Bible concerning the location of the Garden of Eden. It's assumed to be the Middle East but the Bible doesn't actually say that.

We know that it was possibly the highest point in the planet, because 4 rivers flowed out from there. We also know that the landscape must have been a lot lower then because the highest mountain ranges currently have sea fossils, indicating they were most likely sea beds at creation week , and only later became mountains.

So from a geological perspective, where is a proven early raised landscape before the fountains of the great deep burst forth?

That location is the Siberian Plateau, a vast early raised plateau which was covered over by the greatest volcanic event seen in geology known as the Siberian Traps. This was the highest landscape before those lava fountains burst forth, which raised earth's temperature causing the glaciation to melt and the ocean to flood into the interior continents.

Mountain building tectonics only occurred after this event in geology.

So I propose that the Garden of Eden did not occur in the middle east, but was in Siberia, probably the highest region before that volcanic event. ]]>
Bible Chat DurbanDude https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289106-Location-Garden-of-Eden
John 14:2 Many Rooms https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289055-John-14-2-Many-Rooms?goto=newpost Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:37:22 GMT John 14:2 My Father's Mansion has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I was going there to prepare a place for you?

I heard a pastor talk about this scripture on the radio, he mentioned how "mansion" or even "house" was a bad translation from the original Greek, explaining it really means "abode". The abode where God lives under the NT covenant is us, we are the temple of God, therefore, we are the actual rooms Jesus was talking about.

Hopefully I am clear in the above, is this something others believe as well? I have not heard of this belief before, maybe it is common knowledge. I just wanted to get other's view on it.

Thanks! ]]>
Bible Chat DavidC https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/289055-John-14-2-Many-Rooms