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    Please help! I began attending a Oneness Pentecostal church a while back and recently found it is one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.
    I began going with a friend that was going to it for 20 years. I had been to Trinitarian churches in the past but really never had much to do with church, but felt I needed to go. Well, silly me didn't check much into what they believed and the services were amazing, the worship looked so sincere and the people were so nice, so I loved it. Eventually I did speak with tongues (though I wasn't so sure what was going on) and I felt so free to finally have the holy ghost! I decided that it must be true. I was later baptized in "Jesus name" as they say. I always had this weird feeling in the back of my mind that I kept having.

    Well, recently, within the last few months, I began doing research on different religion sects: JW's, Mormons, etc. I was shocked to see that the United Pentecostal Church was called a cult. Well, I said, "cult doesn't really mean anything. It's the one true church." Not so.
    The more I listened to the sermons in church, the weirder it got. One day I heard them deny the trinity. I also noted that there were not all that many members in the church and why it was so small if it was so good. There also seemed to be no financial accountability. There were business meetings, but we pretty much have to work for everything we got.
    The final straw was recently when the preacher finally said that it matters which church you go to, how you're baptized, you must speak in tongues and called the other churches false. Hello?!

    I debated with myself with what I had found on the internet for weeks and months. Now, I finally decided to accept what I had read on the internet about the truth of the trinity and other false claims of the Oneness Pentecostals. I also do not believe that one needs to speak in tongues to be saved. I felt so dumb when I began to read the Bible with an open mind and not the "oneness filter" and began to see that the doctrines of oneness, tongues, etc were simply heresy from some people that thought them up less that 100 years ago!

    Another thing that bothered me is in the worship services they always say "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I love you my God." I don't know if they are saved, I think it's possible many of them may be, but this Jesus that they speak of is not the real Jesus. When you have the real Jesus you will be able to worship him and the Father equally, in spirit and truth.

    Since I have looked at it with an open mind and let the word speak to me I have become so much happier. I knew we couldn't be the only ones saved and I always wondered why so many in the church didn't seem truly happy, while I saw Baptists and all others (that supposedly weren't saved) so happy and full of love. I have been reading "The Purpose Driven Life" and had to smile when it said that "Day 24, Transformed By Truth. Spiritual growth is the process of replacing lies with truth." The truth shall set you free!

    I am having trouble deciding what to do now. I have been praying for others in the church to seek and see the truth about Christ. There are a few people who have been coming very recently that I have known for years and one of them even said that they felt they had the Holy Ghost yet didn't speak in tongues. The other friend that I first met in the church said, "No, you have to speak in tongues."

    Something else I have noticed is that if you have met one Oneness Pentecostal, you have met them all. They all look the same in dress, talk the same, think the same and alot act the same. The religion is the center of their life. The churches have also been the same, and though mine wasn't so bad, there are some that are very controlling and I have met many prideful oneness preachers that were not very nice and so full of themselves.

    I am planning to do a Bible study today with one of these newer people and see how they respond. I'm hoping they will agree with what I present, as they seem to have some doubts already, but were planning to be baptized.

    I also have to figure out what to do with my other friend that has been attending this church for 24 years and her husband. I have heard that when you leave the oneness church, the members will shun you, but I will be seeing several of them from day to day anyway, so maybe I have a chance.

    What are some good verses and tips to use in witnessing? I already have two pages of verses to go over. I also have an acquaintance that my friend that brought me to this church told me about. He told me that he had been attending another oneness church and was thinking of getting into ministry, but suddenly left. I think it may be a good idea to contact this guy. It sounds like he may have experienced what I did.
    Regardless of how this goes, I am so excited and cannot wait to see what happens. I feel like the Lord is leading me to take action to show these people the truth and that they will follow. I know he will not abandon his sheep. I am not giving up on God!!
    Please pray for me and us!

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    Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

    The word 'God' is the Hebrew word 'Elohim', which is PLURAL. The verse could correctly read, "In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth."

    This hebrew word Elohim is used over 2500 times in the Old Testament and is ALWAYS used with a singular verb. God was making a statement! He is plural!

    Genesis 1:26, "Then God (Elohim) said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    They will undoubtedly quote you Deuteronomy 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

    This word 'one' in hebrew is 'echad', which is also used in Genesis 2:24 where God says a man will leave his father and mother and become ONE flesh with his wife. The same word 'echad' is used for one. Obviously a husband and wife do not become one person...it is figurative.

    The main problems with UPC church is that they deny the trinity, salvation by grace alone, and baptismal regeneration. They do not worship the same Jesus. Jesus said in John 4:24 that God is a spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and TRUTH. They do not worship Jesus in truth. These are not saved folks.

    John 14:16, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

    The trinity is fully expressed in this verse. Jesus says HE will pray to the FATHER to send the HOLY SPIRIT (comforter). Also the word 'another' is the greek word 'allos', which means 'another of the same kind'.

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    • #3
      I'm sorry I cannot help you at this time.I live in a small town and there's alot that I'm not aware of.So this has been a 'shock to me' however,continue to let God lead your path.I believe your doing the right thing.It's amazing how God opens our eyes to these false teaching and twisting them as to me the right part of God's word. One thing is 'speaking in tongue's' is one of the gifts from God as in teaching, preaching and etc.It has nothing to do with us being saved.As to speak in tongue's.I'll get some more info for you.Pray,be strong in our Lord and be bold.I'll be ing for you and them.God will bless you for this work you are doing !!!,Darlene
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
        Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

        The word 'God' is the Hebrew word 'Elohim', which is PLURAL. The verse could correctly read, "In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth."

        This hebrew word Elohim is used over 2500 times in the Old Testament and is ALWAYS used with a singular verb. God was making a statement! He is plural!

        Genesis 1:26, "Then God (Elohim) said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

        They will undoubtedly quote you Deuteronomy 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

        This word 'one' in hebrew is 'echad', which is also used in Genesis 2:24 where God says a man will leave his father and mother and become ONE flesh with his wife. The same word 'echad' is used for one. Obviously a husband and wife do not become one person...it is figurative.

        The main problems with UPC church is that they deny the trinity, salvation by grace alone, and baptismal regeneration. They do not worship the same Jesus. Jesus said in John 4:24 that God is a spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and TRUTH. They do not worship Jesus in truth. These are not saved folks.

        John 14:16, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

        The trinity is fully expressed in this verse. Jesus says HE will pray to the FATHER to send the HOLY SPIRIT (comforter). Also the word 'another' is the greek word 'allos', which means 'another of the same kind'.
        What about Matt. 3:16-17 and its parallel verses, Mark 1:9-11/Luke 3:21-22? A historic moment, the Baptism of Christ. It was a historic moment in two senses:

        1) It marked the start of Jesus' Messianic ministry.
        2) [This simple fact is very important when dealing with Oneness people] ALL THREE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD revealed themselves simultaneously.

        Those verses quite clearly demonstrate that God is, in fact, triune. So does 1 John 5:7 (at least in the KJV it does). You can even throw in Matt. 28:19 for good measure as well, as showing that we are supposed to baptize using that formula.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
          What about Matt. 3:16-17 and its parallel verses, Mark 1:9-11/Luke 3:21-22? A historic moment, the Baptism of Christ. It was a historic moment in two senses:

          1) It marked the start of Jesus' Messianic ministry.
          2) [This simple fact is very important when dealing with Oneness people] ALL THREE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD revealed themselves simultaneously.

          Those verses quite clearly demonstrate that God is, in fact, triune. So does 1 John 5:7 (at least in the KJV it does). You can even throw in Matt. 28:19 for good measure as well, as showing that we are supposed to baptize using that formula.
          Absolutely! Those are great to add to the list!

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          • #6
            Speak softly, don't carry a big stick :-)

            Pray before you speak. You can do that with every word that comes out of your mouth! Just preface it with "Jesus!" or "Your Word!" or "Truth!". God knows what you are asking for. Memorize John 14:6, John 3:16-17, Romans 10:8-13, the "Roman Road" to salvation in the Book of Romans.

            I read a commentary YEARS ago which said that there were over 700 references to the Trinity in the OT without using that word. It also said that there were 53 in the NT --- but they were still counting in the latter case.

            Be cautious, be blessed! Whistle a happy tune!

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            • #7
              Gregory A. Boyd's book, Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity, is the best and only resource available that gives a thorough treatment of the subject. Boyd, being a former Oneness Pentecostal himself, really understands the mindset of Oneness Pentecostals. It's useful to look at the movement and its core teachings from the perspective of one who was once part of it rather than purely from outsiders. That will help you understand the perspective better and lead to more profitable witnessing.

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              • #8
                Excellent post S39 your post #7.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by scourge39 View Post
                  Gregory A. Boyd's book, Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity, is the best and only resource available that gives a thorough treatment of the subject. Boyd, being a former Oneness Pentecostal himself, really understands the mindset of Oneness Pentecostals. It's useful to look at the movement and its core teachings from the perspective of one who was once part of it rather than purely from outsiders. That will help you understand the perspective better and lead to more profitable witnessing.
                  I had no idea that Gregory Boyd was a former Oneness Pentecostal!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                    I had no idea that Gregory Boyd was a former Oneness Pentecostal!
                    Well, now you know I know he's into open theism now, but the book I recommended has nothing to do with that. No one has written a better book against Oneness Pentecostalism, trust me. 'Phenomenal' is the best word to describe it.

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                    • #11
                      This was so good and informative

                      I love to learn and just appreciated this very much Again, the Holy Spirit is my helper so Im getting the thumbs up from Him. I have believed since the beginning in the Trinity It got a little harder when someone told me that word isn't in the bible but the words that mean the same 'are" there God bless your evening, your sister in Christ, denise


                      Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                      Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

                      The word 'God' is the Hebrew word 'Elohim', which is PLURAL. The verse could correctly read, "In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth."

                      This hebrew word Elohim is used over 2500 times in the Old Testament and is ALWAYS used with a singular verb. God was making a statement! He is plural!

                      Genesis 1:26, "Then God (Elohim) said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

                      They will undoubtedly quote you Deuteronomy 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

                      This word 'one' in hebrew is 'echad', which is also used in Genesis 2:24 where God says a man will leave his father and mother and become ONE flesh with his wife. The same word 'echad' is used for one. Obviously a husband and wife do not become one person...it is figurative.

                      The main problems with UPC church is that they deny the trinity, salvation by grace alone, and baptismal regeneration. They do not worship the same Jesus. Jesus said in John 4:24 that God is a spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and TRUTH. They do not worship Jesus in truth. These are not saved folks.

                      John 14:16, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

                      The trinity is fully expressed in this verse. Jesus says HE will pray to the FATHER to send the HOLY SPIRIT (comforter). Also the word 'another' is the greek word 'allos', which means 'another of the same kind'.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by new4christ View Post
                        Please help! I began attending a Oneness Pentecostal church a while back and recently found it is one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.
                        I began going with a friend that was going to it for 20 years. I had been to Trinitarian churches in the past but really never had much to do with church, but felt I needed to go. Well, silly me didn't check much into what they believed and the services were amazing, the worship looked so sincere and the people were so nice, so I loved it. Eventually I did speak with tongues (though I wasn't so sure what was going on) and I felt so free to finally have the holy ghost! I decided that it must be true. I was later baptized in "Jesus name" as they say. I always had this weird feeling in the back of my mind that I kept having.

                        Well, recently, within the last few months, I began doing research on different religion sects: JW's, Mormons, etc. I was shocked to see that the United Pentecostal Church was called a cult. Well, I said, "cult doesn't really mean anything. It's the one true church." Not so.

                        The more I listened to the sermons in church, the weirder it got. One day I heard them deny the trinity. I also noted that there were not all that many members in the church and why it was so small if it was so good. There also seemed to be no financial accountability. There were business meetings, but we pretty much have to work for everything we got.
                        The final straw was recently when the preacher finally said that it matters which church you go to, how you're baptized, you must speak in tongues and called the other churches false. Hello?!

                        I debated with myself with what I had found on the internet for weeks and months. Now, I finally decided to accept what I had read on the internet about the truth of the trinity and other false claims of the Oneness Pentecostals. I also do not believe that one needs to speak in tongues to be saved. I felt so dumb when I began to read the Bible with an open mind and not the "oneness filter" and began to see that the doctrines of oneness, tongues, etc were simply heresy from some people that thought them up less that 100 years ago!

                        Another thing that bothered me is in the worship services they always say "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I love you my God." I don't know if they are saved, I think it's possible many of them may be, but this Jesus that they speak of is not the real Jesus. When you have the real Jesus you will be able to worship him and the Father equally, in spirit and truth.

                        Since I have looked at it with an open mind and let the word speak to me I have become so much happier. I knew we couldn't be the only ones saved and I always wondered why so many in the church didn't seem truly happy, while I saw Baptists and all others (that supposedly weren't saved) so happy and full of love. I have been reading "The Purpose Driven Life" and had to smile when it said that "Day 24, Transformed By Truth. Spiritual growth is the process of replacing lies with truth." The truth shall set you free!

                        I am having trouble deciding what to do now. I have been praying for others in the church to seek and see the truth about Christ. There are a few people who have been coming very recently that I have known for years and one of them even said that they felt they had the Holy Ghost yet didn't speak in tongues. The other friend that I first met in the church said, "No, you have to speak in tongues."

                        Something else I have noticed is that if you have met one Oneness Pentecostal, you have met them all. They all look the same in dress, talk the same, think the same and alot act the same. The religion is the center of their life. The churches have also been the same, and though mine wasn't so bad, there are some that are very controlling and I have met many prideful oneness preachers that were not very nice and so full of themselves.

                        I am planning to do a Bible study today with one of these newer people and see how they respond. I'm hoping they will agree with what I present, as they seem to have some doubts already, but were planning to be baptized.

                        I also have to figure out what to do with my other friend that has been attending this church for 24 years and her husband. I have heard that when you leave the oneness church, the members will shun you, but I will be seeing several of them from day to day anyway, so maybe I have a chance.

                        What are some good verses and tips to use in witnessing? I already have two pages of verses to go over. I also have an acquaintance that my friend that brought me to this church told me about. He told me that he had been attending another oneness church and was thinking of getting into ministry, but suddenly left. I think it may be a good idea to contact this guy. It sounds like he may have experienced what I did.
                        Regardless of how this goes, I am so excited and cannot wait to see what happens. I feel like the Lord is leading me to take action to show these people the truth and that they will follow. I know he will not abandon his sheep. I am not giving up on God!!
                        Please pray for me and us!
                        The apostles spoke in tongues, Im not saying I agree with their church because I dont know what they do, havent been there. But remember that when Jesus was on this earth he was not popular at all, he wasnt even pretty to look at as the bible says. Remember that people wanted to kill him all the time, so when they say that church is a cult then just think, If they are speaking against false doctrine and speaking against what isnt bible and speaking against things that are popular to believe, then of course people are gonna speak lies against them, just like the lies that were spoken against Jesus and the apostles in the bible. The devil will always fight the truth.

                        One again Im not saying the pentecostle church you are going to is right, because in every denomination there are churches that are wrong. Even in non denominational churches there is churches that are false.

                        For me I'm non denominational, If I had to explain to you what my beleifs are it would be pentecostle, but I dont beleive in denomination, so Im not pentecostle in the form of denomination, Im pentecostle in the form of belief, as far as I believe in the holy spirit, and things such as Apostles,prophets,teachers, I beleive in all the gifts of the holy spirit as far as what's in the bible. I believe that there is one God operating in three offices[ Jesus is God], I dont beleive in the trinity and all the three God business.

                        Just remember that this world is gonna fight the truth, that's why you will see in these other religeons you will see acceptance with people worshipping all different gods like buddah [ notice the small g in gods] which is devil influenced to keep people from the true God.
                        But when it gets to christians who truly walk by the absolute truth of God, all these people hate it.

                        Also let me add that my church doesnt beleive you need the holy ghost to be saved, but the holy ghost seals you to the day of redemption, you need the holy ghost to be the bride, to have no spot, stain or wrinkle. Being saved comes when you truly accept Jesus into your heart, there's a difference, but being filled comes with am I sealed to the day of redemption.

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                        • #13
                          When we speak of a church or group as a cult we need to be very clear in what our definition of a "cult" is. This is why I always liked Walter Martin's definition; Cult - A group of people that claim to follow a religion, yet deny core doctrinal teachings of that religion. Argueing over things like the pretrib vs posttrib or baptism by immersion or sprinkling is not a core item. However things like who Christ is, How we are saved, what Christ did on the cross ect ect. These are core doctrinal beliefs to Christianity. Oneness Pentacostals teach one of the oldest forms of Heresy (Modalism or Sabellianism). It was declared Heresy around 260 B.C.


                          Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
                          http://www.theopedia.com/Modalism
                          Oneness churches also tend to put their people back under a works based system by requiring them to show evidence (dress, speaking in tongues, ect) as proof they are saved. We have to be careful of this because although all these things in themselves can be good, if we are doing it in the mindset that we must show these works or we are not saved, then are we in essence trying to help Christ pay for our sins. If so then we are adding to the works of Christ. Not only that but if we are not careful, we wind up getting proud of our own deeds and raising our own works above the works of Christ. That is dangerous and blasphamous.


                          The hard part about Pentacostalism is most people do not know the history of the movement. The movement split in the 1930's over these arguements. Not all Pentacostals are "Oneness" in belief. Sometimes the only way to know for sure is to go to their church and see what they teach.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by new4christ View Post
                            The final straw was recently when the preacher finally said that it matters which church you go to, how you're baptized, you must speak in tongues and called the other churches false. Hello?!

                            This is a common doctrine in MANy pentecostal churches. Church of God and its plinter Church of God of Prephecy, teach this very thing. And I am sure there are many mnore that are not considered "a cult".

                            Is there a biblical verse that says if we do not believe in the Trinity (as the many pagan religions did) that we are not saved?

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                            • #15
                              Quote:
                              Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
                              http://www.theopedia.com/Modalism

                              I know a lot of oneness people and the above italicised phrase is not what they believe. Looks like some Catholic must have written that. They believe assuredly that they do exist simutaneously as one God serving different offices as opposed to a multiple-God cop-out on monotheism.
                              If a person's explanation of the "trinity" cannot declare as a matter of absolute certainty that Christianity is not in the very least polytheistic, then that is a demonic doctrine.
                              At least the oneness people don't have to struggle with the nonsense that God is not totally one because they accept the mystery, howbeit often without a clearly understood and balanced presentation of their position.

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