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  • What is your take on this preacher's method of reaching JW's?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5YFrN_Unmg

    This is a pretty interesting way of warning Jehovah's Witnesses that they're being blindly led by Satan, I think he's making an excellent point, Satan masquerades as an angel of light, but he's really a lion seeking whomever he can devour, and those JW's are right in his cross-hairs. And since JW's are some of the most difficult cult members to reach, I guess whatever it takes to reach/warn them should be employed. I contacted the guy and told him that it was an interesting idea that made a good point, he replied back to me saying that he has testimony from some JW's that the whole "devil act" makes them think, since when dealing with JW's you want to get them to question the Watchtower's teachings. What's everyone's opinion on this very unique method of trying to get JW's to question the Watchtower's teachings? Personally, whatever it takes to warn them by making them question the Watchtower should be used.
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  • #2
    IMO, from talking and sharing with JWs in the past; is that it is not effective in telling them that they are wrong, or in a cult, or whatever negative approach one might think about.

    Rather, to share them the positive aspect of the true Jesus Christ; the one that they do not know.

    Share with them the differences between your Jesus, the one that is God, and who can forgive sins, and can given them complete assurance of eternal life with Him; as compared to their jesus who as a created being can't save himself from his own sins, much less save them from their sins, or give them any assurances of anything.

    When sharing the scripture; Use the Old Testament to setup a framework of the many passages that speak of divine aspects of YHWH, and characteristics that only can be applied to YHWH; then move from those passages into the New Testament, and show where the NT writers quote those exact passages about YHWH and apply them specifically and uniquely to Jesus Christ.

    Why did the NT writers so completely believe that Jesus Christ was YWHW of the OT? (If as the Watchtower says, their jesus is not God Almighty, but the first created being?)

    Get them to start questioning their jesus.....get them to start wanting to know about your Jesus and what makes Him unique, and why He alone is uncomparably superior to their jesus.....then you'll be planting seeds in their hearts unto true salvation and hope.

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    • #3
      I'm not up to speed on the JW belief system, but do they accept Jesus as sinless? If they do, then how can they deny Jesus himself saying that he is the Son of God and the Messiah. I'm assuming their bibles don't omit this.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joe King View Post
        I'm not up to speed on the JW belief system, but do they accept Jesus as sinless? If they do, then how can they deny Jesus himself saying that he is the Son of God and the Messiah. I'm assuming their bibles don't omit this.
        Their jesus is a created being, not eternal God.

        Their jesus is the first created being (Satan his brother, being #2...if I'm not mixing LDS doctrine on brothering)

        Since their jesus isn't God, and is a created being like us; how could they expect him to be sinless and to be perfect and to be able to save them?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
          Their jesus is a created being, not eternal God.

          Their jesus is the first created being (Satan his brother, being #2...if I'm not mixing LDS doctrine on brothering)

          Since their jesus isn't God, and is a created being like us; how could they expect him to be sinless and to be perfect and to be able to save them?
          Oh man, I didn't realize they were that way off
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Joe King View Post
            Oh man, I didn't realize they were that way off
            In addition to denying the deity of Christ, the Jehovah's Witnesses also deny the bodily resurrection, the Trinity, the person-hood of the Holy Spirit, and Salvation by Grace through Faith. They also believe that Jesus was crucified on a stake, not a cross. Absolute heresy.
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            Without Jesus, eternity is a living Hell, literally.

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            • #7
              Everyone should educate themselves heavily on JW doctrine. These folks are tearing up the sidewalks spreading their false gospel and and lot of weak people will listen. We need to be prepared to answer them!

              HOW TO DEAL WITH A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS:
              Christ said in John 8:24,
              “I said therefore unto you that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM he, ye shall die in your sins.”

              See Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe JESUS is the CHRIST (if they did, they would acknowledge the fact that He was ADONAHY JEHOVAH in the flesh (see Gen 15:2, Psa 68:17-19, Eph 4:7-11, Psa 110:5 & Matt 22:41-46), whenever a Christian deals with a JEHOVAH’S WITNESS, he/she must broach the subject of who CHRIST is before going any further. It’s simple to do. Just start with:

              1. Matthew 3:1-3 & Isaiah 40:3
              Ask them to take their bible and turn to Matthew 3:1-3 (without them looking at the verse), then lay it down. Open your bible to the same scripture, then lay your bible on top of theirs. Now read the verse:

              In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.”

              Ask them who John the Baptist was preparing the way for? They will undoubtedly say Jesus Christ of course!
              Now take your bible off of theirs, and read the same verse. Their bibles are a special translation, called the New World Translation –
              In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Ju·deŽa, saying: “REPENT, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: “Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah, YOU people! Make his roads straight.’”

              Their Bible says John was preparing the way for Jehovah, the Hebrew word for God! This is where you will find out if they are honest or not. They have just admitted that John was preparing the way for Jesus Christ, and in their own bible it says He is Jehovah (God).


              2. Acts 2:21 / Romans 10:13 / Joel 2:32
              Acts 2:21 & Romans 10:13 quote from Joel 2:32 in the Old Testament:

              Acts 2:21,And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (speaking of Christ)
              Romans 10:13,“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

              Ask them who is being referred to here in these two verses, and they will undoubtedly say Jesus Christ of course!

              Now take them to Joel 2:32,
              And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD (Jehovah) shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD (Jehovah) shall call.”

              Luke (who wrote Acts) and Paul (who wrote Romans), have clearly stated that Jesus is Jehovah (God)!


              3. Ephesians 4:8 & Psalm 68:17-19
              Eph 4:7,8,But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.” (quoting Psa 68:18)

              Ask them who is being referred to here In Ephesians 4, and they will undoubtedly say Jesus Christ of course!! Now take them back to Psalm 68:17-19 -

              The chariots of God (Elohim) are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord (ADONAY) is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. Thou (speaking of God) hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God (Elohim) might dwell among them. Blessed be the Lord (ADONAY), who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God (El) of our salvation. Selah.

              Paul is quoting Psalm 68 in reference to Christ. Psalm 68:17-19 is speaking of God! This shows Jesus Christ is God! Here is Psalm 68:17-19 in their bible translation (NWT):

              The war chariots of God are in tens of thousands, thousands over and over again.
              Jehovah himself has come from SiŽnai into the holy place. You have ascended on high;
              You have carried away captives; You have taken gifts in the form of men, Yes, even the stubborn ones, to reside [among them], O Jah God. Blessed be Jehovah, who daily carries the load for us,
              The [true] God of our salvation. SeŽlah.

              4.Ephesians 5:14 & Isaiah 60:1
              Eph 5:14,“Wherefore he saith, (nowquoting Isa 60:1) Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.”

              Now take them back to the verse Paul quoted, Isaiah 60:1,

              “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD (JEHOVAH) is risen upon thee.”

              Paul purposely used the word CHRIST in place of Lord when quoting Isaiah 60:1 in order to prove a point – that Jesus is Jehovah, God in flesh! Here are same scriptures in their translation (NWT) –

              “Wherefore he says: “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and the Christ will shine upon you.” Eph 5:14

              “Arise, O woman, shed forth light, for your light has come and upon you the very glory of Jehovah has shone forth.” Isaiah 60:1


              5. Matthew 21:16 & Psalm 8:1-2
              Jesus said in Matt 21:16,
              “And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise” (quoting Psa 8:2)

              Ask them that in this verse, is Jesus stating that he is worthy of praise? They will say yes, of course!!
              Now take them to Psalm 8:1,2 -

              “To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David. O LORD (Jehovah) our Lord (Jehovah), how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.”

              Jesus quoted Psalm 8:2 in reference to Himself. Psalm 8:1-2 is speaking of Jehovah!! Jesus was stating that He is Jehovah!


              6. John 12:36-41 & Isaiah 53:1
              “While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them. But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, “Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed”? Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again, ‘He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

              John states here that Jesus was the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. Here is Isaiah 53:1 –

              Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD (Jehovah) revealed?

              The LORD mentioned here in Isaiah’s prophecy is JEHOVAH! Jesus fulfilled the prophecy that He is Jehovah, God in flesh!


              7. John 8:24,58 & Exodus 3:4,14
              “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 8:24
              Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:56-58

              Jesus is claiming to be God in the verses above, by referring to Himself as the ‘I AM’ of Exodus 3:4,14 –

              “And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.” Exodus 3:4
              “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14



              8. Mark 1:2,3 & Malachi 3:1,4
              “As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” (quoting Malachi 3:1)

              Again, ask them who is the person that John the Baptist was preparing the way for. They will undoubtedly say Jesus Christ of course!

              Now take them back to Malachi 3:1,4 –

              Vs 1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, (Adonai) whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD (Jehovah) of hosts.
              Vs 4Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD,(Jehovah) as in the days of old, and as in former years.”

              If they are honest, they will have to admit that in Mark 1:2&3, Christ is the LORD (Jehovah) that Mark quoted from Malachi 3:1,4!


              9. Romans 14:9-11/Isaiah 45:23Ask them to open their bible to Romans 14:9-11. Have them read the verses from both versions.

              “For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' (quoting Isaiah 45:23) NIV

              “ For to this end Christ died and came to life again, that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written: “‘As I live,’ says Jehovah, ‘to me every knee will bend down, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’” NWT

              Ask them who will judge them? They will undoubtedly say God, of course! Then have them read John 5:22 from both versions….


              “Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son” NIV

              For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son,” NWT




              1. If you were disfellowshiped from the watchtower society of Jehovah witnesses tomorrow, would you consider yourself as having any future hope left in God? if your answer is yes, then you are in effect saying that the Watchtower is ultimately unnecessary, as you are able to come to God apart from it?
              If your answer is no, then you are in effect saying that the Watchtower is the appointed mediator between God and man, But that contradicts 1 Timothy 2:5, which says, in the New World translation, 'There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus'

              2. 'Do you honestly believe that one is able to understand the truths contained in the Word of God without the aid of the Watchtower teachings?'
              If your answer is yes then the teachings of the Watchtower become uneccessary. If your answer is no, then you are placing such teachings of man on the same level or even above the Word of God.

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