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    I know there is some debate on this as some say it's not on this Earth and others say that it is in the Earth and some even say there is no such thing (not good!) I was reading Philippians last night and a particular verse really jumped out to me that screams specifically Hell is located.

    Philippians 2:10

    10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    The verse lists the heavens (presumably everything above Earth;Space/universe), everything on Earth (Humans, Animals, Insects etc.) but then it says under the Earth.

    What could possibly be under the Earth that the verse is referring to? Hell would fit the description as eventually even Satan will have to acknowledge his name. This verse makes it almost impossible to believe Hell is anywhere else but the center of the earth (as for the time being).

    Any thoughts?

    [oh, and this is way off topic, but why doesn't this board support some BB Code such as the tags?]

  • #2
    Originally posted by Romber View Post
    I know there is some debate on this as some say it's not on this Earth and others say that it is in the Earth and some even say there is no such thing (not good!) I was reading Philippians last night and a particular verse really jumped out to me that screams specifically Hell is located.

    Philippians 2:10



    The verse lists the heavens (presumably everything above Earth;Space/universe), everything on Earth (Humans, Animals, Insects etc.) but then it says under the Earth.

    What could possibly be under the Earth that the verse is referring to? Hell would fit the description as eventually even Satan will have to acknowledge his name. This verse makes it almost impossible to believe Hell is anywhere else but the center of the earth (as for the time being).

    Any thoughts?

    [oh, and this is way off topic, but why doesn't this board support some BB Code such as the tags?]


    The Greek defines 'under the Earth' as 1) subterranean
    1a) refers to those who dwell in the world below, departed souls

    The Greek word is katachthonios.

    Personally, I've always believed that hell was inside the earth. I just don't believe that it's the same place as the lake of fire, since hell will be cast into it.

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    • #3
      Hell isn't a phyisical location that we could climb into a spaceship and drive into; (just like Heaven).

      Both places are abodes of the dead, and in an environment that cannot be crossed into or out of by our own choosing; but is one that God alone controls.

      The best description of Hell in the bible, and the most detailed explanation of it and our present world being places that cannot be traveled to and from is in the following passage; taught by Jesus about Hell.

      Notice the phrases I highlight in bold below; they focus on phrases show how people can and can not travel between where we are and Hell; and where Hell is and where the righteous dead are either.

      "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:19

      So you can see Hell is a real place; but it is not a place that we can go to from our present world; nor is it a place that the wicked contained within it can escape from or leave.

      The tricky part with the word 'hell' sometimes, depending on the English translation; is it often describes the tormented, fiery place of the dead that we all commonly thick of as hell like in this passage; but in other passages it is rendered to just mean the grave or tomb. The context of how the word hell is used, because the older Elizabethon and Middle English useage of the word at times was interchangeable for the grave.

      We know now that hell isn't under the ground, or in the middle of the Earth; but is at an unreachable destination for living mortals; reserved solely for the wicked dead upon God's timing and determination. Our earlier ancestors weren't as savy to know the structure of the earth, and it was a common myth that hell was underground below us.

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      • #4
        Death itself and the place that holds death is thrown into more death where death is always dead where one is conscious of death and torment eternally.

        Show where death is good, where death is a covering pleasing to God. It's not. How can covered with death be good or, at this point in God's grand plan, anything but permanent? It's final. Done. Death reigns forever.

        I can bury an old car. I can bury my dog. My dog can bury a bone. Physically, they are buried. This isn't a physical thing. It's spiritual. We all die - physically. That ought not even be a consideration when looking at these verses. That's across the board for every living thing. Death will come.

        Death spiritually - that's something we live now and eventually for eternity if we do not not believe. Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't sleep, it is always aware. That is the death we can avoid. Greek translation or not, the eternal nature of the spirit must be seen. That doesn't change no matter the translation.
        Last edited by VerticalReality; Dec 19th 2008, 06:12 PM. Reason: Removing deleted quote
        Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
        Not second or third, but first.
        Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
        when He is the source of all hope,
        when His love is received and freely given,
        holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
        will all other things be added unto to you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by threebigrocks View Post
          How's that? Death itself and the place that holds death is thrown into more death where death is always dead where one is conscious of death and torment eternally.

          Show where death is good, where death is a covering pleasing to God. It's not. How can covered with death be good or, at this point in God's grand plan, anything but permanent? It's final. Done. Death reigns forever.

          I can bury an old car. I can bury my dog. My dog can bury a bone. Physically, they are buried. This isn't a physical thing. It's spiritual. We all die - physically. That ought not even be a consideration when looking at these verses. That's across the board for every living thing. Death will come.

          Death spiritually - that's something we live now and eventually for eternity if we do not not believe. Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't sleep, it is always aware. That is the death we can avoid. Greek translation or not, the eternal nature of the spirit must be seen. That doesn't change no matter the translation.

          Precious in the sight of the Lord is the Death of His Saints.

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          • #6
            Wow, that sure was quite a read.

            In simplistic terms, for those who prefer them.....

            "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."


            Philippians 2:10-11 is simply saying this...

            There will come a time (probably at the final great judgment), where all of humanity will without doubt and without reservation; fully accept that Christ is Lord of all.

            Not that he is 'their' Lord, but that He truly is 'THE' Lord; as the Bible presented Him.

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            • #7
              Remember folks... the last 'enemy' to be done away with or dealt with, will be 'death' itself... it will be put under God's feet... till He makes 'all enemies' His footstool.... Some time in the future there will be no more death.. the curse of sin will be 'no more'...... and 'death' will be but a passing memory...

              God calls 'death' an 'enemy'.. it was never in His plans.. but thru His foreknowledge and longsuffering grace and mercy... He still provided a way to defeat it,, that is 'death'...... and He did it thru His Own Begotten........ that's the Beauty of what Christ did... on that bloody tree.. this planned even before the Foundation of the World...He defeated 'death', Hell, and the grave by His own physcial death and subsequent resurrection.. that thru Him .. those who believe on Him will have Eternal Lilfe... and this a gift... the gift of Eternal Life...

              As the first Adam failed in the Garden.. the 2nd Adam.. who was made a quickening Spirit... did not.. but accomplished and conquered just as God had Planned.. and this from the Foundation of the World...

              What Christ did on the Cross.. God manifest in the flesh... is foolishness to the Greeks and a stumblingstone to the Jews... but to us who are Saved by Him and Believe.. whether Gentile or Jew..... it is the Power of God...

              To Him be the Glory Forever and Forever! amen and amen.....
              Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
              ------------------------------------------------
              Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
              ------------------------------------------------
              The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
              Jeremiah 31:3

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              • #8
                Originally posted by David Taylor
                Hell isn't a phyisical location that we could climb into a spaceship and drive into;
                So best put, Hell doesn't really have a physical location so couldn't it still reside in the center of the Earth. It would be on the same dimension as heaven and stuff but "spiritually" be located in the center of the Earth?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by threebigrocks View Post
                  How's that? Death itself and the place that holds death is thrown into more death where death is always dead where one is conscious of death and torment eternally.

                  Show where death is good, where death is a covering pleasing to God. It's not. How can covered with death be good or, at this point in God's grand plan, anything but permanent? It's final. Done. Death reigns forever.

                  I can bury an old car. I can bury my dog. My dog can bury a bone. Physically, they are buried. This isn't a physical thing. It's spiritual. We all die - physically. That ought not even be a consideration when looking at these verses. That's across the board for every living thing. Death will come.

                  Death spiritually - that's something we live now and eventually for eternity if we do not not believe. Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't sleep, it is always aware. That is the death we can avoid. Greek translation or not, the eternal nature of the spirit must be seen. That doesn't change no matter the translation.

                  I do not recall the word death being mentioned. Mike stated a fact. Sheol/Hades are translated as grave/pit/hell. We can discuss death all day long, but it does not change how these two words have been translated.

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                  • #10
                    Hell is in Michigan.

                    I've seen photos of it frozen over...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by three big rocks
                      Death reigns forever.
                      So the Bible says that death will be swallowed up in victory and that it will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and you think this means that death reigns forever?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
                        Hell is in Michigan.

                        I've seen photos of it frozen over...

                        Well there is a possibility that the Falcons are going to make the playoffs.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mikebr View Post
                          Well there is a possibility that the Falcons are going to make the playoffs.
                          No, brother, you got that wrong.

                          That's not a sign that hell has frozen over.

                          That's the Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
                            No, brother, you got that wrong.

                            That's not a sign that hell has frozen over.

                            That's the Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse!!!



                            So if they win the Super Bowl we won't be here to see it; we have been raptured.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Old Earther View Post
                              So the Bible says that death will be swallowed up in victory and that it will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and you think this means that death reigns forever?
                              1 Corinthians 15
                              53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
                              55"O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?"

                              For those who are perishable and don't put on the imperishable and the mortal who doesn't put on immortality - yes. Death isn't swallowed up for those who aren't in Christ. They experience the second death. For those who put on the imperishable and immortality we escape the second death. There is no death that can harm us, because the born again believer has life through Christ.
                              Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
                              Not second or third, but first.
                              Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
                              when He is the source of all hope,
                              when His love is received and freely given,
                              holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
                              will all other things be added unto to you.

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