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  • The Doctrine of Sufficiency

    Do you deny or believe in this vital doctrine? Why or why not?

    I am still working on my separation article (will try to make it some 7,500 + words) and I am working through Mt 7:15-20 as I write. This is what I wrote about a few modern denominations that deny the doctrine of total sufficiency.

    For example there are many denominations that at one time were bible preaching and at one time were sound. The Missionary Church, the Christian & Missionary Alliance, & the Conservative Baptist Association are a few of many denominations that have been deceived by savage wolves. These denominations went on the path to liberalism by making small steps and ended up on the slippery slope. I know of 1 CBA church in my area and although they believe in the Fundamentals of the Christian faith, have opened the door to liberalism by allowing women to teach adult Sunday school, by changing their worship style from traditional to contemporary, and by creating a cafe like atmosphere on Friday nights for the 20 something crowd. These leaders at this church claim that doing these things is the best way to reach the modern generation. Such a statement is really the polite way for these leaders to say that they deny the doctrine of Sufficiency. For if they believed in the doctrine of sufficiency these pastors would believe that the word of God alone can change hearts (Psa 19:7-8). Therefore there is no need for attractive programs or anykind of Market Driven approach to reaching the lost.
    Will get to my Separation from disobedient brethren section soon. I cant say that I believe like the Fundamentalists in being total separation from all evangelicals. I believe only in separating from bad evangelicals and charismatics.

    But all in all a denial of the doctrine of Sufficiency would warrant a separation case.

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    I see many many people reading and hearing the Word of God and finding only myths and contradictions. They read the ten commandments and consider them hateful.
    However, when the Holy Spirit works in their hearts, then when they hear the Word, they believe and receive the Word of Truth.
    Thus, I cannot agree that the Word of God alone, without the accompanying influence and leading of the Holy Spirit, is able to do anything more than make them hate God all the more.

    1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

    Fortunately, we humans are not in the position of judge, although many would attempt to usurp that authority from God Who Alone is worthy and able to judge the hearts of men, and so your hypercritical analysis and judgment of various denominations is entirely unwarranted and does nothing more than further deepen the divisions in the body of Christ.
    1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

    If one desires to hack something or someone up, why not make it the enemy of God, rather than our own brothers and sisters in Christ?
    Better yet, why not focus our energy on giving the Word of Truth to those who have not yet heard, or believed?

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    • #3
      Many teachers of the truth have written books on discernment. John MacArthur wrote a book called the Truth War and he provides much discernment.

      I spend a great deal of my time in soul winning efforts as I lead a ministry extension and pass out tracts in my city's downtown area every week. but the purpose of my article is not soul winning but teaching what the bible says on separation.

      Finished product is coming so stay tuned.

      Originally posted by Kahtar View Post
      I see many many people reading and hearing the Word of God and finding only myths and contradictions. They read the ten commandments and consider them hateful.
      However, when the Holy Spirit works in their hearts, then when they hear the Word, they believe and receive the Word of Truth.
      Thus, I cannot agree that the Word of God alone, without the accompanying influence and leading of the Holy Spirit, is able to do anything more than make them hate God all the more.

      1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
      John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
      Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
      Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

      Fortunately, we humans are not in the position of judge, although many would attempt to usurp that authority from God Who Alone is worthy and able to judge the hearts of men, and so your hypercritical analysis and judgment of various denominations is entirely unwarranted and does nothing more than further deepen the divisions in the body of Christ.
      1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

      If one desires to hack something or someone up, why not make it the enemy of God, rather than our own brothers and sisters in Christ?
      Better yet, why not focus our energy on giving the Word of Truth to those who have not yet heard, or believed?

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      • #4
        "For example there are many denominations that at one time were bible preaching and at one time were sound. The Missionary Church, the Christian & Missionary Alliance, & the Conservative Baptist Association are a few of many denominations that have been deceived by savage wolves."

        poochie--Can you tell me how you reached this conclusion and exactly who these savage wolves are (and particularly concerning the Missionary Church)?
        Phl 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SIG View Post
          "For example there are many denominations that at one time were bible preaching and at one time were sound. The Missionary Church, the Christian & Missionary Alliance, & the Conservative Baptist Association are a few of many denominations that have been deceived by savage wolves."

          poochie--Can you tell me how you reached this conclusion and exactly who these savage wolves are (and particularly concerning the Missionary Church)?
          Read the rest of it. The Missionary Church for example ordains women and that is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE problem.

          The Bible is quite clear on the role of a woman in the ministry and for a denomination to ordain them to ministry is a case worth separating over. No Bible preaching church (Fundamentalist or Evangelical) believes in such a practice.

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          • #6
            I asked because I attend a Missionary Church, and am not aware of women being ordained.

            http://www.mcusa.org/Editor/assets/07-constitution.pdf
            Phl 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by poochie View Post
              Do you deny or believe in this vital doctrine? Why or why not?

              I am still working on my separation article (will try to make it some 7,500 + words) and I am working through Mt 7:15-20 as I write. This is what I wrote about a few modern denominations that deny the doctrine of total sufficiency.



              Will get to my Separation from disobedient brethren section soon. I cant say that I believe like the Fundamentalists in being total separation from all evangelicals. I believe only in separating from bad evangelicals and charismatics.

              But all in all a denial of the doctrine of Sufficiency would warrant a separation case.
              Doctrine of sufficiency?
              Do you mean, sufficiency of Scripture? Of Christ? Of a large Thanksgiving dinner?
              ♪ Each day may Christ become clearer, His Cross dearer, Our Hope nearer. ♫

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              • #8
                My experience with denominations goes sour when I see that their upper echelon (the corporatation) wields too much power which usually is inevitable over time. This is because much of what goes on is political in nature and the positions slowly get taken by worldly wisemen who have little concern for God's ways. Thru their politiking in time they begin to dictate to the local churches what programs, teaching material, and what pastors go where until you have a full blown liberal denomination with empty pews.
                ♪ Each day may Christ become clearer, His Cross dearer, Our Hope nearer. ♫

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                • #9
                  The western district of the Missionary Church is very liberal. While they may not official ordain women they do allow them to teach men in SS and for them to hold leadership positions over men.

                  Originally posted by SIG View Post
                  I asked because I attend a Missionary Church, and am not aware of women being ordained.

                  http://www.mcusa.org/Editor/assets/07-constitution.pdf

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                  • #10
                    Well said brother, well said. Thats what I was thinking.

                    Originally posted by crossnote View Post
                    My experience with denominations goes sour when I see that their upper echelon (the corporatation) wields too much power which usually is inevitable over time. This is because much of what goes on is political in nature and the positions slowly get taken by worldly wisemen who have little concern for God's ways. Thru their politiking in time they begin to dictate to the local churches what programs, teaching material, and what pastors go where until you have a full blown liberal denomination with empty pews.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by crossnote View Post
                      Doctrine of sufficiency?
                      Do you mean, sufficiency of Scripture? Of Christ? Of a large Thanksgiving dinner?
                      Scripture. Scripture alone is enough for the Christian and for life.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by poochie View Post
                        Scripture. Scripture alone is enough for the Christian and for life.
                        Is Scripture enough to equip a born again believer in the way of righteousness? It absolutely is sufficient. However, is it completely sufficient to always know and walk the will of God? Not necessarily. The Word of God does not give specific direction down to the minute detail regarding God's will for an individual believer. Just using Scripture to support my example . . . Paul didn't have any Scriptures instructing him not to preach the gospel in Asia Minor. It was the Spirit of God that directed him away from there. Had he only relied on the Scriptures and not the Spirit given to lead him then he would have been operating outside of God's will. There are no specific Scriptures that would tell someone not to preach the gospel in a certain area. We would have to be led by His Spirit to know such a thing. That's just one of what could be many examples. The Scriptures do teach, however, that we must all seek God diligently and have a close relationship with Him in order to hear what He would have us do in specific situations. His sheep hear His voice, and those who are obedient to His voice will go where He says go and do what He says do.
                        "What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."

                        -- Dr. Neil T. Anderson

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                        • #13
                          I don't have any idea what a "doctrine of sufficiency" has to do with the accusations contained in the original post.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by VerticalReality View Post
                            Is Scripture enough to equip a born again believer in the way of righteousness? It absolutely is sufficient. However, is it completely sufficient to always know and walk the will of God? Not necessarily. The Word of God does not give specific direction down to the minute detail regarding God's will for an individual believer. Just using Scripture to support my example . . . Paul didn't have any Scriptures instructing him not to preach the gospel in Asia Minor. It was the Spirit of God that directed him away from there. Had he only relied on the Scriptures and not the Spirit given to lead him then he would have been operating outside of God's will. There are no specific Scriptures that would tell someone not to preach the gospel in a certain area. We would have to be led by His Spirit to know such a thing. That's just one of what could be many examples. The Scriptures do teach, however, that we must all seek God diligently and have a close relationship with Him in order to hear what He would have us do in specific situations. His sheep hear His voice, and those who are obedient to His voice will go where He says go and do what He says do.
                            What scriptures did David use to know it was OK for him to eat the shewbread?
                            Matt 9:13
                            13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                            NASU

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
                              What scriptures did David use to know it was OK for him to eat the shewbread?
                              Hezekiah 4:19, I think.

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