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    Today I "googled" the words.....Bible contradictions....I was amazed at all the things I found....many, many quoted Bible contradictions. So I would like to put to you just two that are an example of what I found and would like to know your answers to them please.

    Judas death.....Matthew 27.5 says he hanged himself.
    Acts 1.18 say he fell and his bowels gushed out...

    Regarding Jesus....

    John 10.20 says.....that Jesus said, the Father and I are one.
    John 14.28 says.....that Jesus said, the Father is greater than I.

    If we are to believe the Bible literally....what should we believe....especially when the words are "supposidly" the actual words of Jesus. It sounds to me like he was contradicting himself......

    Can someone please explain these things to me...and there are "dozens" of other so called "contradictions" of the Bible quoted on many sites.

    Thank you, Rocky

  • #2
    Originally posted by Rocking horse View Post
    Today I "googled" the words.....Bible contradictions....I was amazed at all the things I found....many, many quoted Bible contradictions. So I would like to put to you just two that are an example of what I found and would like to know your answers to them please.

    Judas death.....Matthew 27.5 says he hanged himself.
    Acts 1.18 say he fell and his bowels gushed out...

    Regarding Jesus....

    John 10.20 says.....that Jesus said, the Father and I are one.
    John 14.28 says.....that Jesus said, the Father is greater than I.

    If we are to believe the Bible literally....what should we believe....especially when the words are "supposidly" the actual words of Jesus. It sounds to me like he was contradicting himself......

    Can someone please explain these things to me...and there are "dozens" of other so called "contradictions" of the Bible quoted on many sites.

    Thank you, Rocky

    Actually. try a Google search on "Bible contradictions answered".


    These (and MOST) verses taken singularly, and out of context, can be made to look as if they're contradictory. Notice how far apart they are in scripture.

    In John 10:20 Jesus is making it clear that he IS God, and "one" (in essence) with the Father.
    John 14:28 - Not a contradiction at all. He's describing the relationship within the Godhead, and the fact that The Father is "greater," in the same way that Men / Fathers are the head of the household in families.
    Just as my Wife, my Daughter & I are "one" in essence of being a family, I am also "greater" in the same sense. (Although she'd probably say differently...... LOLOL!)

    As far as Judas is concerned; If he hung himself, then when his body was "lowered/dropped/released etc.... it's very well likely that his bowels would indeed gush out.

    Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rocking horse View Post
      Today I "googled" the words.....Bible contradictions....I was amazed at all the things I found....many, many quoted Bible contradictions. So I would like to put to you just two that are an example of what I found and would like to know your answers to them please.

      Judas death.....Matthew 27.5 says he hanged himself.
      Acts 1.18 say he fell and his bowels gushed out...

      Regarding Jesus....

      John 10.20 says.....that Jesus said, the Father and I are one.
      John 14.28 says.....that Jesus said, the Father is greater than I.

      If we are to believe the Bible literally....what should we believe....especially when the words are "supposidly" the actual words of Jesus. It sounds to me like he was contradicting himself......

      Can someone please explain these things to me...and there are "dozens" of other so called "contradictions" of the Bible quoted on many sites.

      Thank you, Rocky
      It is believed that Judas did hang himself, and afterwards the rope broke which then caused him to fall at which point his bowels gushed out... No supposed contradiction there.

      When Jesus said in John 10:30; "I and the Father are one. It means they both were one in plan and purpose.

      John 14.28 says.....that Jesus said, the Father is greater than I.
      The Father sent His Son, and as the sender is greater than the sent, so in this sense is the Father greater than the Son; and in this sense was the passage understood

      Once again no contradictions
      If the Calvinistic Westminister Confession is true (that "God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass"), then God ordained my disbelief of Calvinism.

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      • #4
        This has really been disturbing me....thanks for your input, and I will indeed seek the "answers"...

        Rocky

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        • #5
          Why has it been disturbing you? Is it your assumption that Satan is doing nothing while Christ's people try to save the lost? Has something happened in your life that makes you doubt your convictions as a Christian?
          Do you read the Bible? Seek the answers for yourself. The internet is the internet after all.
          Most of these so called contradictions can be easily explained as Alethos so capably and quickly illustrated.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tt1106 View Post
            Why has it been disturbing you? Is it your assumption that Satan is doing nothing while Christ's people try to save the lost? Has something happened in your life that makes you doubt your convictions as a Christian?
            Do you read the Bible? Seek the answers for yourself. The internet is the internet after all.
            Most of these so called contradictions can be easily explained as Alethos so capably and quickly illustrated.

            Hey, back down a bit.....I'm not "assuming" that satan is doing nothing while Christs people try to save the lost" as you put it.

            I am just trying to be open minded and look at many things. I have heard that there are contradictions in the Bible....I looked at the internet to see what it says....and I AM...seeing the answers for myself...that's WHY I asked the question and looked up the internet....looking for answers....!!!!

            I've also just found a site with "answers" to those "contradictions"...also very interesting and will take some time to read......is that ok with you !!!

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            • #7
              Actually its good you did this because at some point you will find yourself witnessing to someone that presents these to you and instead of being dumbfounded, confused and flustered, you will have the answers. You won't be taken by surprise and can be confident in answering them.

              For every Christian site there is a site attacking whatever they have up...its sad. That evil bible site is one of the most distrubing sites out there because people believe it! They don't check to see if things are in content or not...

              The sad thing is far too many Christians are unprepared for these types of attacks so when it happens their faith wavers...they freak out...they start doubting instead of looking for the answers! On this one message board when they allow atheist to challenge (well actually attack) the bible I have seen Christian after Christian walk away from their faith because they lacked bibical knowledge...these were generally new Christians or weak in their faith...or as I said, just lacked knowledge. Why they don't go search out the answers instead of listening to these atheist is beyond me though...

              Check out CARM and scroll down to the right hand side and look for the title BIBLE DIFFICULTIES...he also addresses these things too.

              The bible tells us to always be ready to give an answer..1 Peter 3:15...

              So what you are doing is a good thing. It will strengthen your faith too and make you ready for these hard questions.

              God bless
              "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rocking horse View Post
                Hey, back down a bit.....I'm not "assuming" that satan is doing nothing while Christs people try to save the lost" as you put it.

                I am just trying to be open minded and look at many things. I have heard that there are contradictions in the Bible....I looked at the internet to see what it says....and I AM...seeing the answers for myself...that's WHY I asked the question and looked up the internet....looking for answers....!!!!

                I've also just found a site with "answers" to those "contradictions"...also very interesting and will take some time to read......is that ok with you !!!
                You picked out a couple of dandys. The Judas one got me when I first started seeking. I even thought the answer that I got was...well... a little contrived. Today, I give God the benefit of the doubt. There is so much evidence, both earthly and spiritually that when I get tripped up I believe it is me who is not looking at it correctly. There is a war going on that I really don't see for all that it is. Still, I love to get the answers that satisfies. Someone told me once, that God is not afraid of the truth.

                Satan is the one that whispers the lies that make me pause and doubt. God is the one that helps me come through it stronger. I also found that thinking about the definition of paradox is/was helpful to me.

                Keep asking, we should never sit in our doubt when we can get answers.

                What is that verse about two or more gathered in his name?

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                • #9
                  On the Judas one though...people need to realize when a person falls down their guts don't normally just burst open...unless you have been dead for awhile and are bloated...ewwwwwwwwww. A disgusting thought but its true! Ever see a dead animal by the side of the road...after days its very bloated and its stomach is very enlarged...bloated...doesn't take much of an impact for it to burst open.

                  Bible Difficulties

                  Bible difficulties, or apparent Bible contradictions, exist in the Bible and we need to be aware of them and know how to respond to them because the opponents of Christianity often use them in their attempts to discredit Christianity by invalidating the Bible. Sometimes these attacks successfully undermine the faith of Christians who either don't understand the apparent discrepancies and don't realize they are not contradictions, or don't have the resources to deal with them.
                  Unfortunately, it is not practical in this online school to have you memorize a list of biblical difficulties and their answers. So, CARM recommends that you become familiar with the Bible difficulties section as well as purchase New International Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties. In the mean time, there are some things you need to know to be able to respond properly to the issue of Alleged Bible Difficulties.

                  * What is a Contradiction? A contradiction occurs when one statement makes another statement impossible when both statements deal with the same topic at the same time. For example, in my right pocket is a set of car keys. In my right pocket there is no set of car keys. Both statements cannot true at the same time. Therefore, to state that both were true is to state a contradiction
                  If one gospel account says two people went to Jesus' tomb and another says that one went, it is not a contradiction because the accounts do not say that only one went or only two went. If one account said that only one went, then two could not have gone and that would be a contradiction.
                  One of the most common accounts used as a contradiction is how did Judas die, by hanging or falling down?
                  o By hanging (Matthew 27:3-8) - "Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." But they said, "What is that to us? See to that yourself!" 5And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6And the chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood." 7And they counseled together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers. 8For this reason that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day."
                  o By falling (Acts 1:16-19) - "Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17"For he was counted among us, and received his portion in this ministry." 18(Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. 19And it became known to all who were living in Jerusalem; so that in their own language that field was called Hakeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)"

                  There is no contradiction here at all because both are true. Remember, a contradiction occurs when one statement excludes the possibility of another. What happened here is that Judas went and hung himself and then his body later fell down and split open. In other words, the rope or branch of the tree probably broke due to the weight and his body fell down and his bowels spilled out. Also, notice that Matt. 27:3-8 tells us specifically how Judas died, by hanging. Acts 1:16-19 merely tells us that he fell headlong and his bowels gushed out. Acts does not tell us that this is the means of his death where Matthew does.

                  * Context. When dealing with opponents who site biblical difficulties, you must always challenge them to look at the verses in context. Very often, the problems disappear when doing this. In Matt. 5:48 Jesus says, "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Sometimes people will quote a verse like this and say that it is an impossibility to accomplish and that the Bible asks you to do impossible things. Therefore, it cannot be from God.1 The answer, of course, is found in the context, Matt. 5:43-48.

                  “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 “And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

                  Notice that the context is dealing with loving all people equally. This is what it means to be perfect. It means to be perfect in loving others and it is a noble thing to strive for. Therefore, this is not speaking about perfection as God is perfect, but it is urging people to love as God loves -- equally.
                  *

                  Assumptions: Sometimes people are looking for contradictions in the Bible and so they will find anything that looks like a contradiction. When this happens, point it out. When a person has misconceptions removed, many things fall into place. So, listen to what they say and see if there are any false assumptions.
                  *

                  Copyist Errors: The fact is that the copies of the biblical manuscripts are not perfect. These copy errors account for several alleged contradictions. For example, how many charioteers were killed by David, 700 or 7000? In 2 Samuel 10:18 it says, 700 but in 1 Chronicles 19:18 it says 7,000. This is an example of a copyist error. Notice how the number is off by a single zero; that is, by a single notation of a digit. According to Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible, by Gleason Archer, page 382, regarding the characters used to designate numbers, "Nun final , was mistaken for dotted Zayin ," would account for the copyist error in the text. Most probably, the correct number is 7,000 charioteers." Therefore, we can admit that there are copyist errors, though minor and infrequent. We must also point out that inspiration deals with the autographs (the original writings), not the copies. We have copies of inspired documents.

                  Application

                  When dealing with someone who raised an alleged contradiction, ask the person to document what it is so you can take a look at it. If you can't figure it out right there by looking at the context, admit it and ask if it is okay to get back in touch with the person later. There is nothing wrong with admitting you don't know something and then checking into it. Just make sure you follow up after you get the answer.

                  Defending the Christian faith means being aware of different arguments against the Christian faith. It also means admitting the reality of copyist errors in the biblical manuscripts. Of course, from the lesson on the Bible's reliability, we know that these copy errors don't affect the truths of the Bible. Therefore, we can trust it.

                  As you defend the faith, you do so by teaching. In order to do that, you need to know the facts so that you are not caught off guard.

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                  Some years ago, a lawyer by the name of Frank Morison wrote a book with the title Who Moved The Stone? He set out with the purpose of disproving the resurrection, of proving that Christ did not really rise from the grave. But the book turned out to be entirely different. It is a searching study of the scriptural story of Christ’s crucifixion, death and resurrection. He makes the unquestionable point that the resurrection is a historical fact. Lawyer-like, he disposes, one after another, of the dozens of theories invented to account for the removal of the body from the tomb. For example, that the gardener took away Christ’s body so that the curious would not trample his flowers, that Joseph of Arimathea did it, because he regretted giving his grave to an acknowledged criminal, that Jesus recovered from a death-like faint on the cross and pushed the stone away Himself.

                  ________________
                  1. This exact complaint was raised in a Philosophy class in college by a professor who was against Christianity.


                  God bless
                  "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                  • #10
                    Every single contradiction I have ever ever seen is two scriptures taken way out of context. 90% of them are answered by simple reading the chapter they are located in. The other 10% are normally answered through a detailed look at the hebrew words used, understanding the history/culture of the times, or simply ignorance of the person suggesting the contradictions.

                    Personally I find contradictions fun to debunk.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by moonglow View Post
                      On the Judas one though...people need to realize when a person falls down their guts don't normally just burst open...unless you have been dead for awhile and are bloated...ewwwwwwwwww. A disgusting thought but its true! Ever see a dead animal by the side of the road...after days its very bloated and its stomach is very enlarged...bloated...doesn't take much of an impact for it to burst open.


                      God bless
                      Ahhh yes... leave it to Moonglow to point out the grusome details of a bloated carcass!



                      Although it IS a good point.
                      Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
                      _______________________________________________
                      There was a time when I used to think Macro-evolution might be a possibility..... but then I GREW UP!
                      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                      Meike & I have the same birthday! Na-na na, na-na!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by markdrums View Post
                        Ahhh yes... leave it to Moonglow to point out the grusome details of a bloated carcass!



                        Although it IS a good point.
                        What can I say? Sometimes you can't dance around things as gross as they may be...

                        the bible actually has alot of truly gruesome stories in it! I think parts should be rated R for extreme grossest...its about the disgusting stuff people do sometimes...then and sadly now today. But honestly, living in a rural town, we see alot of road kill around here...though the city workers usually do a pretty good job in keeping things cleaned up (not a job I would ever want to have!! ). But sometimes they miss one...and everyday driving by you see the natural decomposition happening...I try to take the scientific approach when seeing such animals...sigh. So anyway yea, I guess in posts like this there is a benefit for that...

                        God bless
                        "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                        • #13
                          Well, if Judas tossed the silver pieces that evening and then went out and hung himself - it was Passover at the time. Nobody would have touched or gone near a dead body to get him down on the Sabbath. He would have hung there for a few days. It wasn't like Christ's death where they knew it was the Passover, knew He was on the cross and sundown was coming soon. Judas went out, alone, and hung himself.
                          Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
                          Not second or third, but first.
                          Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
                          when He is the source of all hope,
                          when His love is received and freely given,
                          holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
                          will all other things be added unto to you.

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                          • #14
                            Moonglow, thank you for you long and interesting reply. It would have taken you some time to type all that and I really appreciate your efforts and the encouraging words of the others who have told me to keep searching. I'm fine with my walk with Christ....most of the time...but I guess like everyone doubt slips in from time to time. I was not raised to study the Bible in depth, I was raised Catholic and they follow their tradition as much as anything. The Bible is vast and I grew up totally accepting everything I was taught, no one ever questioned anything....now I see people questioning Christianity and it is unusual for me. The church told us what to believe and we believed it, and never even considered questioning it. When I first left the Catholics over 20 yrs ago, I just loved Jesus simply, I still didn't understand the importance of the Bible. I am just coming to see the importance of it now in more recent times.

                            Thank you again, Rocky

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by markdrums View Post
                              Ahhh yes... leave it to Moonglow to point out the grusome details of a bloated carcass!



                              Although it IS a good point.
                              Realize that if Judas hung himself, it would not have been permissible for any Jew to touch him (a corpse), particularly on the Sabbath, assuming they even knew he was there. Most would have been indoors, and not out roaming around, due to Sabbath restrictions. They most likely would have needed to hire Gentiles to cut him down after the Sabbath. Moonglow's description is probably spot on. I won't go into detail, but I can attest that under some climactic conditions, it doesn't take long for a body to become pretty "unstable", particularly one hung by the neck. And gravity works.
                              We can imagine all kinds of supposed "contradictions" in the Scriptures, but as has been noted, when taken out of context, you can make a supposed case for all sorts of things. There are those who would love to cause Christians doubt, and they are happy to point out these supposed conflicts. The Scriptures were written by men (divinely inspired, but men nonetheless), and are told from different perspectives, by men with unique life experiences. That is why we have 4 Gospels, not just one, and indeed, Luke's differs significantly from the others. We gain a fuller understanding of Scripture by reading them ALL. When doubts come, dig into the Scripture, Pray, and seek counsel from other Christians, which is exactly what you've done, Rocking horse. May God bless you abundantly in your search for knowledge and understanding.
                              2nd Timothy 2:15.

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