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  • The original goal: "Let us make man in our image"

    Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    My qestion here is: God had made man in His image, but was Adam yet completed in His likeness?

    Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become like one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
    Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
    John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    1John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Partaker of Christ View Post
    Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    My qestion here is: God had made man in His image, but was Adam yet completed in His likeness?

    Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become like one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
    Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
    John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    1John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
    Just my personal opinion. I think the word "image" carries two meanings. While it is intended to mean the attributes of God (i.e. love, joy, peace, etc.), the word image in both Hebrew (tslem) and English mean "resemblance, semblance, mirrored reflection, etc." So while Adam took on God's attributes, the word image denotes a physical conotation as well. Since the Son is "The image of God," and Adam was made in God's image...I personally think Adam may have looked like Messiah.

    Peace.
    Ken

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    • #3
      As we read further we find that God is terribly upset with what he created and wipes away everything from birds to all of the humans, except Noah and his family and the animals that God told him to carry with him. What do you guys think about that as far as bringing this back to the original question?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by kenrank View Post
        So while Adam took on God's attributes, the word image denotes a physical conotation as well. Since the Son is "The image of God," and Adam was made in God's image...I personally think Adam may have looked like Messiah.
        Ken,
        How do you incorporate women into your definition of "image" seeing that man and woman do not have the same physical form? I think you know what I mean.

        thinker

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        • #5
          Ge 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

          Adam's had his own unique likeness and image apart from any other for he was flesh. To be literally be created in God's image would be a spirit, invisable.

          Ge 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
          Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

          Now we see that God has a likeness and Adam has a seperate likeness. Also note that when he made male and female they were BOTH CALLED ADAM....

          Fact is God created man in his own image as spirit beings. He then formed physical man from his creation (earth) whereby at some point the two become one.


          Mark

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          • #6
            Originally posted by thethinker View Post
            Ken,
            How do you incorporate women into your definition of "image" seeing that man and woman do not have the same physical form? I think you know what I mean.

            thinker
            lol that just painted a VERY weird picture in my head

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ross3421 View Post
              Ge 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

              Adam's had his own unique likeness and image apart from any other for he was flesh. To be literally be created in God's image would be a spirit, invisable.

              Ge 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
              Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

              Now we see that God has a likeness and Adam has a seperate likeness. Also note that when he made male and female they were BOTH CALLED ADAM....

              Fact is God created man in his own image as spirit beings. He then formed physical man from his creation (earth) whereby at some point the two become one.


              Mark
              I agree- especially in light of John 4:24 "God is spirit". And man died in the day that he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - but yet he went on to live hundreds of years with his breath life and body still living. The only explanation fitting the truth that in that day he died, is the spirit life that God created him with had been lost. And the entire rest of the scriptures show us how the redeemer - Jesus Christ - came to make that spirit life once again a reality in the life of a man who obeys God. What a wonderful savior indeed! We've been sealed with the holy spirit of promise and have a great hope to look forward to - to be forever with the Lord!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Julian View Post
                ...man died in the day that he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - but yet he went on to live hundreds of years with his breath life and body still living. The only explanation fitting the truth that in that day he died, is the spirit life that God created him with had been lost.
                There is another explanation. Paul defined "death" in Romans 5 to mean condemnation. Jesus also defined death as condemnation,

                "He that believes in Me shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life".
                The one who is not condemned is therefore alive, that is, not dead.

                According to Isaiah 65-66 the new heaven and earth has physical death. It says that children "die" (65:20) and that there are "corpses" present (66:24). But in the new heaven and earth according to Revelation 21 death is abolished (v. 4). The two passages are contradictory if the term "death" has the same meaning in both.

                The one passage refers to physical death and the other must refer to condemnation. You choose. I believe that God told Adam that in the day that he ate he would be condemned (or die). Physical death was already a part of his constitution as "dust" (1 Corinthians 15:42-45).

                Godspeed

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by thethinker View Post
                  Ken,
                  How do you incorporate women into your definition of "image" seeing that man and woman do not have the same physical form? I think you know what I mean.

                  thinker
                  HI Thinker,
                  I know you posted this to Ken, but the answer is simple with Trinity theology applied. Man and woman are both of the same nature and essence, they are human beings. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same nature and essence forming the One Trinity.

                  IOW Thinker, we don't divide God up, so neither should we humanity. We are all part of the whole of humanity, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of the whole of God.
                  This is also shown in Adam (unbegotten like the Father), Eve (who proceeds from Adam as the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father) and Seth (who is begotten as the Son is begotten of the Father).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thethinker View Post
                    Physical death was already a part of his constitution as "dust" (1 Corinthians 15:42-45).

                    Godspeed
                    Good post, just wanted to address this part. Death was not to be our natural outcome. Death (condemnation) was imposed on evil. God set a boundary on how much evil man could do by imposing death on him. Adam's disobedience cursed the ground and placed mankind under toil and labor until his end in death and decay in the grave ("return to the ground").
                    Death and decay in the grave entered the world through Adam (Rom. 5:12).

                    In Peace,
                    Eve

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Teke View Post
                      HI Thinker,
                      I know you posted this to Ken, but the answer is simple with Trinity theology applied. Man and woman are both of the same nature and essence, they are human beings. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same nature and essence forming the One Trinity.

                      IOW Thinker, we don't divide God up, so neither should we humanity. We are all part of the whole of humanity, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of the whole of God.
                      This is also shown in Adam (unbegotten like the Father), Eve (who proceeds from Adam as the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father) and Seth (who is begotten as the Son is begotten of the Father).
                      Hi Teke,
                      I agree with what you say. My comment to Ken was due to his saying that the word "image" denotes a "physical connotation"

                      So while Adam took on God's attributes, the word image denotes a physical conotation as well. Since the Son is "The image of God," and Adam was made in God's image...I personally think Adam may have looked like Messiah.
                      My point was that "image" has nothing to do with our physical form. If it did, then who is in God's image more, man or woman?

                      Godspeed

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Teke View Post
                        Death and decay in the grave entered the world through Adam (Rom. 5:12).
                        Teke,
                        I think that it is condemnation [death] entered the world through Adam. The first man and woman were not created immortal.

                        thinker

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thethinker View Post
                          Hi Teke,
                          I agree with what you say. My comment to Ken was due to his saying that the word "image" denotes a "physical connotation"
                          Well we don't have very good words to express this. But what is a 'physical connotation' but the nature of a thing expressed in a physical form.
                          My point was that "image" has nothing to do with our physical form. If it did, then who is in God's image more, man or woman?

                          Godspeed
                          Not a good idea to systematize this into 'forms'. Even the council of Nicea on the Trinity couldn't come up with something better than 'persona'. Yet we wouldn't say that the Trinity consists of different persons.
                          IOW could you ask the same question about the Trinity (which is "more" God, Father, Son or Holy Spirit).

                          In Peace,
                          Eve

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by thethinker View Post
                            Teke,
                            I think that it is condemnation [death] entered the world through Adam. The first man and woman were not created immortal.

                            thinker
                            Only God is immortal. We get everlasting Life from Him. Adam was created perfect and could have sustained that perfection with the tree of Life. But he corrupted that which was perfect. It's something mankind has continually done with God's creation, rather than what God told man, which was to take care of it.

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                            • #15
                              I keep wondering if somehow we are not just the representatives of God formed from His imagine so that He can shine forth in this world through us. I know that Adam and Eve were alone in the garden at least as far as man is concerned but truly if God knew they would fall then He may have created us to show forth His goodness and wisdom as long as we are in obediance to Him. I don't think it has anything to do with a trinity since it seems that the early writings have the early historians stating there was two powers in heaven and I can't seem to find any reference to the Holy Spirit being referenced as a separate personage until sometime between the late 2nd century and the 4th century. Also I have been told that the angels were more than likely present and they are created in His image also. Each one of us is so unique in appearance I just cannot imagine what God and His Son could look like!

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