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    A lot of people have railed on Mark for preaching about sex and such. However here is a good example of how he also preaches about suffering and everything else:

    http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/trial/trial-and-sin

    Mark simply preaches through books of the Bible. Once he got to song of solomon, everyone said he was a perverted sex crazed preacher who should be talking about the rapture. What they dont realize is that prior to the book of songs of solomon, mark preached thru the entire books of Revelation, ephesians, genesis, John, the Epistles of John, Ecclesiastes, and Proverbs. All of the sudden when he got to Song of Solomon everyone was saying he only talks about sex. He is now starting up with 1st and 2nd peter and i think this is a good video to show how he also preaches on how we must suffer for Christ and persecution. I believe everyone can be encouraged by this video. Enjoy and then we can discuss the video here

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    Originally posted by reformedct View Post
    A lot of people have railed on Mark for preaching about sex and such. However here is a good example of how he also preaches about suffering and everything else:

    http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/trial/trial-and-sin

    Mark simply preaches through books of the Bible. Once he got to song of solomon, everyone said he was a perverted sex crazed preacher who should be talking about the rapture. What they dont realize is that prior to the book of songs of solomon, mark preached thru the entire books of Revelation, ephesians, genesis, John, the Epistles of John, Ecclesiastes, and Proverbs. All of the sudden when he got to Song of Solomon everyone was saying he only talks about sex. He is now starting up with 1st and 2nd peter and i think this is a good video to show how he also preaches on how we must suffer for Christ and persecution. I believe everyone can be encouraged by this video. Enjoy and then we can discuss the video here
    There are few things that rile people up more than leaders who talk about blessings.

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    • #3
      Found an article on him.

      http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/...ca/11punkt.php

      New members can keep their taste in music, their retro T-shirts and their intimidating facial hair, but they had better abandon their feminism, premarital sex and any "modern" interpretations of the Bible.
      That quote right there tells me a lot of what I want to know. He's a dude that holds to the line on sin, and if he says it in a way that is more like what I like to listen to on Monday than Sunday, that's fine. If he's packaged the gospel a little differently without changing it, then I guess that's fine.

      There's a lot of criticism; but I don't follow men, and their teachings, but God, and His. So unless the fellow is giving the Church a bad name, then it's not my place to judge. "I give thanks to God that Christ is preached."
      One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father over us all.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by reformedct View Post
        A lot of people have railed on Mark for preaching about sex and such. However here is a good example of how he also preaches about suffering and everything else:

        http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/trial/trial-and-sin
        Pastor Mark is my pastor and he did indeed receive much criticism for the Song of Solomon series. Its easy to criticize, but everything was put into the context of biblical marriage and biblical families. I have to admit though, some of those texted questions answered live did get me a bit "squirmy".



        Mark simply preaches through books of the Bible. Once he got to song of solomon, everyone said he was a perverted sex crazed preacher who should be talking about the rapture. What they dont realize is that prior to the book of songs of solomon, mark preached thru the entire books of Revelation, ephesians, genesis, John, the Epistles of John, Ecclesiastes, and Proverbs. All of the sudden when he got to Song of Solomon everyone was saying he only talks about sex. He is now starting up with 1st and 2nd peter and i think this is a good video to show how he also preaches on how we must suffer for Christ and persecution. I believe everyone can be encouraged by this video. Enjoy and then we can discuss the video here
        He's taught through many more books than that, you can find them on the MHC website in the media library. He's an incredibly gifted teacher ... very seldom do I walk out of a sermon where I'm not convicted of something.

        What people don't understand or don't want to admit is that MHC has grown tremendously in what is considered the least-churched city in the country. Its a young church with young people (but with a lot of us old stones, but we go to an early services), and many are broken and Pastor Mark and the other pastors show them the only way to get fixed is Jesus. Pastor Mark has been criticized for years before SofS, sex of any sort outside of marriage is a sin, woman should submit to husbands (both lovingly of course), no women pastors. IOW, MCH is biblical and there is no appeasement in God's Word.

        I've had the honor of hearing the testimonies of many who may have come to MHC only to hear the music, or ridicule and laugh at the Seattle "fundies", only to later devote their lives to Jesus.

        There's a separate site for the Trials series:

        http://www.8witnesses.com/

        There's a 198 workbook/study guide that can be downloaded. (At least my hardcopy is 198 pages.)
        Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

        It is a wonderful thing to be predestined, elected and to believe by faith by virture of His irresitible grace and His limited atonement. Calvie, premill, dispie and full of cats. I love you too!

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        • #5
          I listened to the sermon last night and it was excellent as usual. I love Driscoll and it saddens me to read some of the things said about him on certain places on the web. But this talk was coming from people who don't think Song of Solomon should ever be preached or even read by anybody under 50!
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          • #6
            I've been following his preaching since last summer, and personally thought his series on the SoS was great, as was the Corinthian and Philippians series. Currently going through Redeeming Ruth again on my iPod - just beautiful. He's hardhitting and challenging, and he doesn't fudge issues; even my Pagan husband will listen to him quietly when I play it out loud. Must investigate the media library.

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            • #7
              Note to self: if I listen to Mark on my iPod and laugh and cry out loud, don't be surprised when other people on the train give me funny looks. His first session on 1 Peter is just amazing.

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              • #8
                It's his time in the emerging church movement that most people criticise (especially his swearing and "unique" sense of humor). No apologies, though (even if he's 4.5 star Calvinist)... I quite like Pastor Driscoll.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                  It's his time in the emerging church movement that most people criticise (especially his swearing and "unique" sense of humor). No apologies, though (even if he's 4.5 star Calvinist)... I quite like Pastor Driscoll.
                  i am so glad that he has taken the time to distance himself from the emergent church of liberal doctrine. Speakers like rob bell are so gifted with the ability to speak, it is a shame that they did not follow suit as well. Mark has even voiced that he doesnt really consider his church emerging but rather independant. He also welcomes both calvinsts and arminians to his church. He has said that anyone that loves Jesus, repents of sin, and puts faith in Christ is welcome

                  i pray God conitnues to grow that church as a light in the darkness. You guys can also check out Matt Chandler from the Village Church he is friends with Mark they have a simlar preaching style

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                  • #10
                    Well now you guys have me curious, is there a particular site where some of his messages are posted, because having seen his name in a couple threads now, I am curious what he has to say.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Veretax View Post
                      Well now you guys have me curious, is there a particular site where some of his messages are posted, because having seen his name in a couple threads now, I am curious what he has to say.
                      just check out the link in the OP. his church website: www.marshillchurch.org
                      has all of his teachings from like 2002 in the sermons section

                      make sure it is Mark. There is a false church also named Mars Hill in another state whose pastors name is Rob Bell. His teachings have receieved a lot of criticsm as being heretical. so make sure it is .org

                      Good luck!

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                      • #12
                        Yep, that would be Rob Bell of Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                          It's his time in the emerging church movement that most people criticise (especially his swearing and "unique" sense of humor). No apologies, though (even if he's 4.5 star Calvinist)... I quite like Pastor Driscoll.
                          Sigh, that "cussing pastor" label is totally misleading and unfair and wrong. I've attended MHC for almost 4 years, have listened to all of the past series and have listened to Mark teach in small group settings (like last night). NEVER has he uttered a word that could be construed as "cussing".

                          I guess his sense of humor could be called unique, being he's a pastor. I don't think John MacArthur (who I adore) would ever make the same analogies using humor.

                          He loves Jesus, God's Word, God's people, and that's what comes across. And if others refuse to look at that and rely on other people's opinions only, that's very sad IMO.

                          If anyone is interested in the Emerging vs. Emergent deal, just search it here:

                          http://theresurgence.com/

                          Resurgence grew out of MHC into an international collaboration, its interesting, check it out.
                          Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

                          It is a wonderful thing to be predestined, elected and to believe by faith by virture of His irresitible grace and His limited atonement. Calvie, premill, dispie and full of cats. I love you too!

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                          • #14
                            It's crazy how much hate there is out there for Driscoll and everybody who associates with him like John Piper and D.A. Carson. I'm thinking of one place in particular who is rooting for Driscoll's ministry to fail. That is hardly a Christian attitude. This really hits a nerve with me.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SeattleSun View Post
                              Sigh, that "cussing pastor" label is totally misleading and unfair and wrong. I've attended MHC for almost 4 years, have listened to all of the past series and have listened to Mark teach in small group settings (like last night). NEVER has he uttered a word that could be construed as "cussing".

                              I guess his sense of humor could be called unique, being he's a pastor. I don't think John MacArthur (who I adore) would ever make the same analogies using humor.

                              He loves Jesus, God's Word, God's people, and that's what comes across. And if others refuse to look at that and rely on other people's opinions only, that's very sad IMO.

                              If anyone is interested in the Emerging vs. Emergent deal, just search it here:

                              http://theresurgence.com/

                              Resurgence grew out of MHC into an international collaboration, its interesting, check it out.

                              i must admit that i did hear him say the "d" word ONCE. that was it. It was an emotional message about hell and he was saying " i know in this day and age im not supposed to talk about hell but frankly i dont give a d-" Also at a conference he said something along the lines of "jack-a". Out of about 150 sermons that i have listened to, these are the only two times i have EVER heard him "curse". Its so sickening when i see all these religious labels of "the cussing pastor" just because he used strong language like twice in the past. They try to paint him as some wild pastor cursing at every service and doing all these sinful things. AT the end of the day, Mark is theologically sound and spreads the gospel. He has been pivotal in helping me see that Jesus is not who our culture thinks He is. He is not a feathered hair hippie. Jesus was a carpenter who flipped tables and took a brutal bloody beating and rose again. He helped me see Jesus in a powerful way that made me want to serve Him. I thank God for Marks ministry. He has challenged me to grow in holiness and to be a man for Jesus

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