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  • Did Mary have free will? lol

    What if an angel told you you are about to give birth to the Son of God? lol could she have said no thank you?

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    God knowing beforehand that she would have refused would not have picked her.

    But that is hypothetical and proves nothing.

    As far as free will goes, I take it she had previous faith in God through her upbringing, and as a believer was not a slave to satan as are unbelievers.
    Her response, "Let it be according to thy word" indicated great faith as well.
    ♪ Each day may Christ become clearer, His Cross dearer, Our Hope nearer. ♫

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    • #3
      God knowing beforehand that she would have refused would not have picked her.

      But that is hypothetical and proves nothing.

      As far as free will goes, I take it she had previous faith in God through her upbringing, and as a believer was not a slave to satan as are unbelievers.
      Her response, "Let it be according to thy word" indicated great faith as well.
      Right, that worked out well for Jonah....

      Mary had no choice but to do as she did.

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      • #4
        right, could and would are two different things

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        • #5
          Originally posted by reformedct View Post
          What if an angel told you you are about to give birth to the Son of God? lol could she have said no thank you?
          As a faithful servant of the Lord, she couldn't have said no. I mean, if you are faithful, how do you say no to God?
          I'm in a situation right now, doing something I really have lost interest in doing, have asked the Lord to let me out of it, but I keep going forward anyway because the Lord has not told me otherwise. But, I would rather not. I still have the free will to quit, God would just send someone else to accomplish what He has put before me. But, my love for God supersedes my desire to quit what He told me to do. Same goes for Mary, I reckon.

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          • #6
            In those days all the young girls new that one day the Messiah would come and they were all hoping that they would be the one chosen to carry Him. They didn't know How he was to come, but they did know he was to come soon.

            If you were a woman and you knew the messiah was to come would you want to be the one to give birth to him?
            John 8:31-32



            31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”


            Dizzy

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DIZZY View Post
              In those days all the young girls new that one day the Messiah would come and they were all hoping that they would be the one chosen to carry Him. They didn't know How he was to come, but they did know he was to come soon.

              If you were a woman and you knew the messiah was to come would you want to be the one to give birth to him?
              I have never heard that before.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DIZZY View Post
                In those days all the young girls new that one day the Messiah would come and they were all hoping that they would be the one chosen to carry Him. They didn't know How he was to come, but they did know he was to come soon.

                If you were a woman and you knew the messiah was to come would you want to be the one to give birth to him?
                good point. who would resist such a great honor?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                  Right, that worked out well for Jonah....

                  Mary had no choice but to do as she did.
                  there are plenty of things you say no to God everyday inside of you... Does God 'control' that?

                  Israel says no to God even though it's clear that he desires them... Romans 10:3, and 11:1
                  The LORD bless you and keep you; The LORD make His face shine upon you,And be gracious to you; The LORD lift up His countenance upon you,And give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26

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                  • #10
                    Humorous question.

                    I believe Mary had the limited ability to choose according to her desires.

                    Since it was her strong desire to please the Lord and in this case had the ability, she choose to do so.

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                    • #11
                      God doesn't ask us to do things, He tells us what we will do:

                      Moses didn't want to be a leader.

                      Saul didn't want to be a king,he hid when it was time for him to be announced!

                      God told Elijah to go back to Jezebel when he had run away in fear.

                      Ananias told the Lord that he was afraid to meet with this Saul of Damascus who had been arresting Christians,but the Lord said Go.

                      All of these men did what the Lord required of them.

                      Makes me think of this verse:

                      Romans 9:20-"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"


                      .................The message of the cross divides the human race." ~MW~

                      ........ ... " LORD, I beseech thee, let now thine ear be attentive to the prayer of thy servant..."
                      .................................................. .................................................. ...Nehemiah 1:11a



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by karenoka27 View Post
                        God doesn't ask us to do things, He tells us what we will do:

                        Moses didn't want to be a leader.

                        Saul didn't want to be a king,he hid when it was time for him to be announced!

                        God told Elijah to go back to Jezebel when he had run away in fear.

                        Ananias told the Lord that he was afraid to meet with this Saul of Damascus who had been arresting Christians,but the Lord said Go.

                        All of these men did what the Lord required of them.

                        Makes me think of this verse:

                        Romans 9:20-"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

                        I still think she had the free will to decline the assignment, but being a faithful servant to God, as you said, she probably never questioned it.

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                        • #13
                          If the Lord had said, "Mary, would you like to be the mother of My Son?" perhaps she could have declined. I don't think there was even a moment where she had the opportunity.

                          Luke 1:28-"And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
                          30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
                          31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."



                          Luke 1:38-"And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her"

                          I don't see here where Mary was asked. She was told as were the other men I mentioned.
                          .................The message of the cross divides the human race." ~MW~

                          ........ ... " LORD, I beseech thee, let now thine ear be attentive to the prayer of thy servant..."
                          .................................................. .................................................. ...Nehemiah 1:11a



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by karenoka27 View Post
                            If the Lord had said, "Mary, would you like to be the mother of My Son?" perhaps she could have declined. I don't think there was even a moment where she had the opportunity.

                            Luke 1:28-"And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
                            30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
                            31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."



                            Luke 1:38-"And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her"

                            I don't see here where Mary was asked. She was told as were the other men I mentioned.

                            but even then there's the opportunity to agree with what God is doing...

                            for example...

                            God raises up authority and kings but the kings still have the ability and free will to do God's will... There's righteous and unrighteous authority and God raises them both up... but God's judgment is on those who choose wickedness... so that point alone would show that even though God does choose those he uses and raise them up the reality is they can still choose him or not

                            Mary wasn't perfect in the sense that God made her morally righteous by sinless perfection that the Catholics teach... Mary found favor in the sight of God simply because God so... she didn't earn it, but nor was she perfect...

                            one argument i have against the Calvinist doctrine... If I'm chosen to be the elect, then why am i not made in sinless perfection... why if I am in the will of God to be perfect am I constantly fighting and choosing things that are not of his will... how is it God's will for man to choose wickedness? there's no scripture at all that can back that up
                            The LORD bless you and keep you; The LORD make His face shine upon you,And be gracious to you; The LORD lift up His countenance upon you,And give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26

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                            • #15
                              What'll really twist one's melon is: would God have chosen her if she wasn't up to the task?

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