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  • Job--a Question For You ????

    WAS JOB SAVED? DID HE HAVE SALVATION, BEGINNING AT JOB 1:1.

    I am interested in knowing what you believe, and why you believe it.

    That we may share and grow together. Any help or comments will be greatly appreciated.

    I did not make this clear enough. I am asking, when did Job get saved? From the beginning Job 1:1, or the end of the
    Book?

    Love in Christ
    Last edited by tgallison; Sep 11th 2007, 05:36 PM. Reason: Clarity

  • #2
    I believe Job was saved by grace through faith

    He knew his need (Job 9:32-35)

    "He (God) is not a man like me that I might answer him,
    that we might confront each other in court.
    If only there were someone to arbitrate between us,
    to lay his hand upon us both,
    someone to remove God's rod from me,
    so that his terror would frighten me no more.
    Then I would speak up without fear of him,
    but as it now stands with me, I cannot.
    And he had faith that God would provide his need (Job 19:25-27)

    I know that my Redeemer lives,
    and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.
    And after my skin has been destroyed,
    yet in my flesh I will see God;
    I myself will see him
    with my own eyes—I, and not another.
    How my heart yearns within me!
    He was eagerly looking forward to the work of a redeemer that could mediate b/w him and his God. We passionately look back to that same redeemer.
    The Matthew Never Knew
    The Knew Kingdom

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    • #3
      Originally posted by matthew94 View Post
      I believe Job was saved by grace through faith

      He knew his need (Job 9:32-35)

      And he had faith that God would provide his need (Job 19:25-27)



      He was eagerly looking forward to the work of a redeemer that could mediate b/w him and his God. We passionately look back to that same redeemer.
      Matthew94 it appears that I didn't state my question clear enough. I was asking when did he get saved, beginning or end?

      If you could reply to this I would appreciate it.

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      • #4
        Was Job a Jew? I don't think there is any proof that he was.

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        • #5
          excerpt from Strand Study Bible

          THE CHARACTER OF JOB
          Job was considered by God to be the finest Christian on the face of the earth during his day. Listed below are many fine characteristics of Job. Job was considered to be:
          * Perfect (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job was mature in his obedience
          * Upright(Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job did right in public because he was right in private
          * One who feared God (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3 & 31:23) - Job obeyed God's Word
          * One who eschewed evil (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job avoided evil (I Thess 5:22)
          * One who sanctified his children (Job 1:5) - Job set his children apart for God
          * One who offered sacrifices continually (Job 1:5) - Job showed others around him who the SAVIOR was
          * One who worshipped (Job 1:20) - Job gave God the glory despite his circumstances
          * Humble (Job 1:21 & 13:26 & 31:33) - Job realized his human fraility
          * Wise (Job 1:22) - Job did not charge God foolishly despite his circumstances
          * A man of integrity (Job 2:3,9-10 & 31:6-8) - Job was always conscious of doing what was right
          * A teacher (Job 4:3) - Job took time to teach others
          * Strong (Job 4:3) - Job was strong enough to strengthen others
          * Encouraging (Job 4:4) - Job encouraged himself so he could encourage others (Josh 1:6)
          * A lover of God's Word (Job 23:11-12 & 31:24-28) - Job loved the Word of God more than money or food
          * A man of respect (Job 29:7-11,21-25) - Job was looked up to
          * A lover of the unlovely (Job 29:12-16 & 31:16-22,32) - Job cared for those for whom no one cared
          * One who stood for right (Job 29:17) - Job took an open stand against wrong
          * Spiritual (Job 30:25 & 42:7-10) - Job was willing to restore those who had fallen (Gal 6:1)
          * A man of character (Job 31:1,9-12) - Job was morally pure
          * Honest (Job 31:5,39) - Job took advantage of no one
          * One who was not a respector of persons (Job 31:13-23) - Job treated his everyone fairly
          * One who was not Worldly (Job 31:24-25) - Job rejected materialism
          * One who was true to God (Job 31:26-28) - Job rejected idolatry
          * One who was not vengeful (Job 31:29-30) - Job dealt kindly with his enemies)
          * Meek (Job 31:29-30) - Job did not take revenge on his enemies (Num 12:1-3)
          * A man who stayed right with God (Job 31:33 & 42:1-6) - Job confessed his sins immediately (I Jn 1:9)
          * Independent of men (Job 31:34) - Job did not follow the crowd (Exo 23:2)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
            Job was considered by God to be the finest Christian on the face of the earth during his day.
            On what evidence?

            John the Baptist was not considered by Jesus Christ to be a 'Christian' as He said (Matt.11:11) "there has not risen one greater than John the Bapist; but he who is least in the Kindom of Heaven is greater than he."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tgallison View Post
              Matthew94 it appears that I didn't state my question clear enough. I was asking when did he get saved, beginning or end?

              If you could reply to this I would appreciate it.
              Oh, you're correct, I didn't understand the nature of your question

              I don't know that we can pin-point the 'when' of Job's salvation. We like to make salvation a 'point' on a chronological map, but I don't really think of salvation that way. I think God's grace reaches out to people who are pursuing God. He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. I think Job was seeking God throughout his life, so in my opinion he was saved in Job 1:1. But he came to better understand the nature of his salvation through his trials.

              What do you think?
              The Matthew Never Knew
              The Knew Kingdom

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              • #8
                Hi folks,

                I don't believe the word "saved" as we refer to it could have been appropriately said of Job. If you do a word search on "saved" in the OT, you'll find that the salvation of the Jews before Christ was typically a physical deliverance for bondage. The Israelites were "saved" may times when they repented and turned back to God. But here are some verses that could give one a good idea of what Job will face on the day of resurrection:

                Rev 11:18 "And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

                Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
                Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.


                Since the Bible does not speak of any prophets other than the Messiah coming in the NT, it is sfe to assume that all who came before Christ will be judged based upon their fear of God. Job was without a doubt one who feared God and loved Him. And he defended God to the end, even when his friends were accusing him of some sin that resulted in his tragedies.

                In the end, those before Christ had to endure. I personally believe that Yeshua will still stand and intercede on Job's behalf as well, but I don't have any good passages to support that belief.

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                • #9
                  I think that many who came before Christ were walking in Christ

                  1 Cor. 10:1-4
                  Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mikebr View Post
                    Was Job a Jew? I don't think there is any proof that he was.
                    Was Abram a Jew?

                    I would appreciate an answer on what you believe on Job even if you believe it is a silly question. Even a simple yes or no would do.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kejonn View Post
                      Hi folks,

                      I don't believe the word "saved" as we refer to it could have been appropriately said of Job. If you do a word search on "saved" in the OT, you'll find that the salvation of the Jews before Christ was typically a physical deliverance for bondage. The Israelites were "saved" may times when they repented and turned back to God. But here are some verses that could give one a good idea of what Job will face on the day of resurrection:

                      Rev 11:18 "And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

                      Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
                      Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.


                      Since the Bible does not speak of any prophets other than the Messiah coming in the NT, it is sfe to assume that all who came before Christ will be judged based upon their fear of God. Job was without a doubt one who feared God and loved Him. And he defended God to the end, even when his friends were accusing him of some sin that resulted in his tragedies.

                      In the end, those before Christ had to endure. I personally believe that Yeshua will still stand and intercede on Job's behalf as well, but I don't have any good passages to support that belief.
                      Kejonn appreciate your response.

                      For you I will rephrase the question. When did Job put on God's righteousness? Beginning or end of Job. Or do you believe he put on God's righteousness?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by matthew94 View Post
                        Oh, you're correct, I didn't understand the nature of your question

                        I don't know that we can pin-point the 'when' of Job's salvation. We like to make salvation a 'point' on a chronological map, but I don't really think of salvation that way. I think God's grace reaches out to people who are pursuing God. He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. I think Job was seeking God throughout his life, so in my opinion he was saved in Job 1:1. But he came to better understand the nature of his salvation through his trials.

                        What do you think?
                        Matthew94 I know where you are comin from, but I am not asking for a specfic time. Just if it was before Chapter 3.

                        Thank you

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE]
                          Originally posted by Frances View Post
                          On what evidence?
                          the evidence provided in the scriptures below the statement you quoted

                          John the Baptist was not considered by Jesus Christ to be a 'Christian' as He said (Matt.11:11) "there has not risen one greater than John the Bapist; but he who is least in the Kindom of Heaven is greater than he."
                          I think you misunderstand Matthew 11:11...it doesn't state he was not saved...Jesus was simply saying that he was the greatest man born of a woman.

                          No where in my post was I stating anyone was a greater man born of a woman. Also please note that Job was the greatest Christian 'of his time'....meaning during the time he lived.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tgallison View Post
                            Kejonn appreciate your response.

                            For you I will rephrase the question. When did Job put on God's righteousness? Beginning or end of Job. Or do you believe he put on God's righteousness?
                            TG,

                            Job was a pure man of God from the beginning of the book!

                            Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.

                            Obviously, to turn away from evil showed that he was righteous from the beginning of the story. The remainder of the story of Job was written to show what we all could overcome if we continue to trust in God -- and not on just our "friends" and own self -- to bring us through to the end.

                            Job reminds me of the Sott Krippayne song "Sometimes He Calms the Storm". In that song, Scott sings "Sometimes He calms the storm, and other times He calms His child". Well, in Job, the storm was raging but Job was brought through it by his trust in God. In this case, God calmed His child.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                              THE CHARACTER OF JOB


                              Job was considered by God to be the finest Christian on the face of the earth during his day. Listed below are many fine characteristics of Job. Job was considered to be:
                              * Perfect (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job was mature in his obedience
                              * Upright(Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job did right in public because he was right in private
                              * One who feared God (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3 & 31:23) - Job obeyed God's Word
                              * One who eschewed evil (Job 1:1,8 & 2:3) - Job avoided evil (I Thess 5:22)
                              * One who sanctified his children (Job 1:5) - Job set his children apart for God
                              * One who offered sacrifices continually (Job 1:5) - Job showed others around him who the SAVIOR was
                              * One who worshipped (Job 1:20) - Job gave God the glory despite his circumstances
                              * Humble (Job 1:21 & 13:26 & 31:33) - Job realized his human fraility
                              * Wise (Job 1:22) - Job did not charge God foolishly despite his circumstances
                              * A man of integrity (Job 2:3,9-10 & 31:6-8) - Job was always conscious of doing what was right
                              * A teacher (Job 4:3) - Job took time to teach others
                              * Strong (Job 4:3) - Job was strong enough to strengthen others
                              * Encouraging (Job 4:4) - Job encouraged himself so he could encourage others (Josh 1:6)
                              * A lover of God's Word (Job 23:11-12 & 31:24-28) - Job loved the Word of God more than money or food
                              * A man of respect (Job 29:7-11,21-25) - Job was looked up to
                              * A lover of the unlovely (Job 29:12-16 & 31:16-22,32) - Job cared for those for whom no one cared
                              * One who stood for right (Job 29:17) - Job took an open stand against wrong
                              * Spiritual (Job 30:25 & 42:7-10) - Job was willing to restore those who had fallen (Gal 6:1)
                              * A man of character (Job 31:1,9-12) - Job was morally pure
                              * Honest (Job 31:5,39) - Job took advantage of no one
                              * One who was not a respector of persons (Job 31:13-23) - Job treated his everyone fairly
                              * One who was not Worldly (Job 31:24-25) - Job rejected materialism
                              * One who was true to God (Job 31:26-28) - Job rejected idolatry
                              * One who was not vengeful (Job 31:29-30) - Job dealt kindly with his enemies)
                              * Meek (Job 31:29-30) - Job did not take revenge on his enemies (Num 12:1-3)
                              * A man who stayed right with God (Job 31:33 & 42:1-6) - Job confessed his sins immediately (I Jn 1:9)
                              * Independent of men (Job 31:34) - Job did not follow the crowd (Exo 23:2)
                              Sold Out there is a lot of scripture but you havn't pronouced your stand.

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