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    Why does it seem that every time some one quotes from their KJV Bible that there is someone who wants to discredit what it says or say it is a misinterpretation? It was good enough for our fore fathers to study and preach out of and I dare say that the world was not in the state of moral decay it is today.Personally I have a problem with it not all being there now,why did the Puritans Have the Apocrapha taken out? I believe it was just the one more step in the watering down the word of God.It seems to me that every time some one gets offended by what the KJV says ,instead of moving up and conforming their life to coincide with the word,the just go hunt them a bible that will accept what they are doing as alright ,when in most cases it's not.I am not trying to run any body down for their beliefs ,Just stating mine.I believe we are on a very slippery slope that is leading our people to torment, I am very plainspoken,I learned long ago plain talk is easily understood.Draw your line people ,it may not be where mine is but you had better have that line you won't cross,Denny
    I was alive without the Law ,the Commandment came sin revived and I died

  • #2
    Originally posted by Denny606 View Post
    It seems to me that every time some one gets offended by what the KJV says ,instead of moving up and conforming their life to coincide with the word,the just go hunt them a bible that will accept what they are doing as alright ,when in most cases it's not.
    Can you give an example? I've never heard anyone say that the KJV had anything wrong.

    I own nine versions, including KJV, and every verse I've looked up has said the same as KJV, but the wording may be slightly different.
    sigpicJoAnne

    Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

    Jeremiah 33:3



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    • #3
      all of the above . . .

      Originally posted by Denny606 View Post
      Why does it seem that every time some one quotes from their KJV Bible that there is someone who wants to discredit what it says or say it is a misinterpretation? It was good enough for our fore fathers to study and preach out of and I dare say that the world was not in the state of moral decay it is today.Personally I have a problem with it not all being there now,why did the Puritans Have the Apocrapha taken out? I believe it was just the one more step in the watering down the word of God.It seems to me that every time some one gets offended by what the KJV says ,instead of moving up and conforming their life to coincide with the word,the just go hunt them a bible that will accept what they are doing as alright ,when in most cases it's not.I am not trying to run any body down for their beliefs ,Just stating mine.I believe we are on a very slippery slope that is leading our people to torment, I am very plainspoken,I learned long ago plain talk is easily understood.Draw your line people ,it may not be where mine is but you had better have that line you won't cross,Denny
      The KJV translation is THE greatest English translation of the Holy Bible without question (in my mind, at least).

      Nevertheless, there is no one English translation that can reveal all of the richness of the cultural, social, historical, and political nuances of the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic documents.

      (The Holy Bible is a Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek document.)

      So, it is wisdom indeed to use an "all of the above" approach when reading the Holy Scriptures: Find all of the English translations you can, compare the versions together, and see what our Lord might be revealing to us.

      Grace and peace,

      Billy-brown 2


      I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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      • #4
        If the KJV was good enough for the apostles, it is good enough for me!

        In a verse I was struggling with and then found to be mistranslated, the KJV states that "the love of money is the root of all evil".

        That would be false. The love of money (as correctly translated in the NIV) is the root of many kinds of evil.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
          If the KJV was good enough for the apostles, it is good enough for me!
          Uh... are you aware that the KJV wasn't in print until 1611? It was done for the Anglican church in England. That's about 1,559 or so years after the last writings of the apostles who wrote the New Testiment. Pretty sure they were dead by then. And - the apostles weren't denominational.

          Not to mention - no mass printing until the after Reformation, which began in the early 1500's. All the apostles had were the OT documents, the scrolls, which were few and far between. I can gaurantee that not everyone had a copy sitting on their coffee table.
          Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
          Not second or third, but first.
          Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
          when He is the source of all hope,
          when His love is received and freely given,
          holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
          will all other things be added unto to you.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Denny606 View Post
            Draw your line people ,it may not be where mine is but you had better have that line you won't cross,Denny
            And that has absolutely nothing to do with which translation of the Bible you read. At all.

            It's deeply an issue of self control.
            Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
            Not second or third, but first.
            Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
            when He is the source of all hope,
            when His love is received and freely given,
            holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
            will all other things be added unto to you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
              If the KJV was good enough for the apostles, it is good enough for me!
              You are joking, right?

              Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
              In a verse I was struggling with and then found to be mistranslated, the KJV states that "the love of money is the root of all evil".

              That would be false. The love of money (as correctly translated in the NIV) is the root of many kinds of evil.
              How do you know which is translated correctly? Have you checked the original language to see which translation fit best?
              sigpicJoAnne

              Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

              Jeremiah 33:3



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              • #8
                Originally posted by threebigrocks View Post
                Uh... are you aware that the KJV wasn't in print until 1611? It was done for the Anglican church in England. That's about 1,559 or so years after the last writings of the apostles who wrote the New Testiment. Pretty sure they were dead by then. And - the apostles weren't denominational.

                Not to mention - no mass printing until the after Reformation, which began in the early 1500's. All the apostles had were the OT documents, the scrolls, which were few and far between. I can gaurantee that not everyone had a copy sitting on their coffee table.
                What are you talking about?! Everytime the Apostles or Christ Himself quoted Scripture, they quoted the King James Version! Just look at the following:

                Matthew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

                Christ quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 of the KJV right there. He didn't use the NIV, or the NASB, or any other version but the Word of God, the KJV.

                If it was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                  What are you talking about?! Everytime the Apostles or Christ Himself quoted Scripture, they quoted the King James Version! Just look at the following:

                  Matthew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

                  Christ quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 of the KJV right there. He didn't use the NIV, or the NASB, or any other version but the Word of God, the KJV.

                  If it was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me!
                  I don't know whether to laugh or cry..........
                  sigpicJoAnne

                  Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

                  Jeremiah 33:3



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                  • #10
                    Hi Denny,
                    Originally posted by Denny606 View Post
                    It seems to me that every time some one gets offended by what the KJV says ,instead of moving up and conforming their life to coincide with the word,the just go hunt them a bible that will accept what they are doing as alright ,when in most cases it's not.
                    I don't know about you but I had no idea what lasciviousness was until I looked it up. Let alone how to pronounce it....

                    You make a good point, but people hunting for different translations that say what they want to hear is not limited to the situation you present. Going from a more modern one back to the KJV to find it is the same thing. Therein lies a lesson I think, are we searching to prove ourselves right or are we searching to make sure we are not wrong. It does not matter what translation you are using for this.

                    Peace,
                    Joe

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                      What are you talking about?! Everytime the Apostles or Christ Himself quoted Scripture, they quoted the King James Version! Just look at the following:

                      Matthew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

                      Christ quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 of the KJV right there. He didn't use the NIV, or the NASB, or any other version but the Word of God, the KJV.

                      If it was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me!
                      Okay....uhhhhh....NO!

                      YUKE! There's a reason it's also referred to the as the 1611 King James. It wasn't completed until 1611. Even if the apostles lived as long as they did in preflood days - the oldest person then only lived to be 930 years old! Even living that long doesn't get a person from 70 AD to 1611!

                      But I'd love to see the math that works it out....
                      Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
                      Not second or third, but first.
                      Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
                      when He is the source of all hope,
                      when His love is received and freely given,
                      holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
                      will all other things be added unto to you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                        What are you talking about?! Everytime the Apostles or Christ Himself quoted Scripture, they quoted the King James Version! Just look at the following:

                        Matthew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

                        Christ quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 of the KJV right there. He didn't use the NIV, or the NASB, or any other version but the Word of God, the KJV.

                        If it was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me!
                        I might be new here and all, but I think this is a little silly. The KJV is based on copies of copies (we don't know how many times since the originals are either lost or locked away in Vatican catacomb vaults) of letters written by inspired writers. Yes, the KJV translators did a heck of a job in translating those Greek and Hebrew words in English, but it is not perfect. For one example as I don't want to debate this, we see the word Easter. Ok, Christians keep Easter over Passover....I understand this. But the Greek word translated as Easter is the Greek word for Passover. So Passover would have been the proper word in that case.

                        I love the KJV, don't get me wrong. It is my primary "sword" of choice. But to think that English translators took copies of another language perfectly into their own shows a lack of linguistic understanding. Not every Greek word has a perfect counterpart in English, just as Hebrew lacks perfect counterparts in Greek. This is why we are told to beware of the scribes and called to study to show ourselves approved a workman unto God.

                        Bosco

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                        • #13
                          I honestly thought you guys knew me better than this....

                          I thought I would keep 3BR going, but when others also started jumping in, it was time to clarify. I am one of the largest proponents AGAINST solely using the KJV.

                          I don't know whether to laugh or cry myself. It's so funny it hurts.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yukerboy View Post
                            I honestly thought you guys knew me better than this....

                            I thought I would keep 3BR going, but when others also started jumping in, it was time to clarify. I am one of the largest proponents AGAINST solely using the KJV.

                            I don't know whether to laugh or cry myself. It's so funny it hurts.

                            Thou shouldest not worry. Verily, I was with ye.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Emanate View Post
                              Thou shouldest not worry. Verily, I was with ye.
                              Verily verily I say unto thyself, the eggeth is in my faceth.

                              Bosco

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