Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Wisdom with commandments

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Wisdom with commandments

    Have we slipped into an age were people do not desire wisdom, where one in a thousand are interested because this world holds every type of false wisdom and only those led by God shall escape it, 1 John 5:5) “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now the question is what does it mean to believe in him because only they have eternal life, John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life” and all others don’t qualify. So let us examine this

    John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    As we can see, keeping his commandments corresponds directly with being loved by God and one showing their love for God. John 14:21) “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me” therefore those that keep not his commandments don’t love him
    Who abides in the Vine, John 15:5) “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” 1 John 3:24) “And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

    Notice how keeping his commandments corresponds directly with one abiding in him therefore those that are Christ, that dwell and abide in him keepeth his commandments. Now while we are not justified by works to establish our relationship God, how important is it to keep his commandments! Revelation 22:12) “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 3:11) “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.” Now who gets the crown of life, they that keep his commandments. Why, because it is they that love him, James 1:12) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” Can one love God but not keep his commandments, I think not. John 10:35) “the scripture cannot be broken”.

    Think about it, Matthew 24:12) “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” and what is love, “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me”. 1 John 3:18) “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.” Notice how this statement is a demand for action. James 1:12) “blessed is the man that endureth temptation”, isn’t that exactly what we would have to do in this sin filled and wicked world to keep God’s commandments, to honor the sacrifice of our Lord whom we love and obey, Revelation 14:12) “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Now considering the emphasis that is put on the ten commandments, what would think that one would not in any way have to uphold them now. Psalm 119:35) “Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.” Psalm 119:157) “Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.” That’s faith, keeping the commandments of God even when faced with adversity and this world is full of it just waiting for us to try and lure us away from being obedient to God.

    The world is justified or has been offered a window to gain its relationship with God because 1 John 2:2) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Now many believe, but how many obey and accept Christ Lordship and come to him in submissiveness? The (1 John 2:16) “lust of the flesh“, and the (1 John 2:16) “lust of the eyes”, and the (1 John 2:16) “pride of life” will all keep one from abiding in Christ whether it be because of idolism, which spiritual means touching any uncleanness or immorality, Isaiah 52:11) “Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.” or whether it be the snare of one’s own subjection to unrighteousness, sin, and iniquity, which is why many will hear, Matthew 7:23) “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

  • #2
    Originally posted by copper25 View Post
    Have we slipped into an age were people do not desire wisdom, where one in a thousand are interested because this world holds every type of false wisdom and only those led by God shall escape it, 1 John 5:5) “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now the question is what does it mean to believe in him because only they have eternal life, John 3:36) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life” and all others don’t qualify. So let us examine this

    John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    As we can see, keeping his commandments corresponds directly with being loved by God and one showing their love for God. John 14:21) “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me” therefore those that keep not his commandments don’t love him
    Who abides in the Vine, John 15:5) “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” 1 John 3:24) “And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

    Notice how keeping his commandments corresponds directly with one abiding in him therefore those that are Christ, that dwell and abide in him keepeth his commandments. Now while we are not justified by works to establish our relationship God, how important is it to keep his commandments! Revelation 22:12) “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 3:11) “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.” Now who gets the crown of life, they that keep his commandments. Why, because it is they that love him, James 1:12) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” Can one love God but not keep his commandments, I think not. John 10:35) “the scripture cannot be broken”.

    Think about it, Matthew 24:12) “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” and what is love, “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me”. 1 John 3:18) “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.” Notice how this statement is a demand for action. James 1:12) “blessed is the man that endureth temptation”, isn’t that exactly what we would have to do in this sin filled and wicked world to keep God’s commandments, to honor the sacrifice of our Lord whom we love and obey, Revelation 14:12) “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Now considering the emphasis that is put on the ten commandments, what would think that one would not in any way have to uphold them now. Psalm 119:35) “Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.” Psalm 119:157) “Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.” That’s faith, keeping the commandments of God even when faced with adversity and this world is full of it just waiting for us to try and lure us away from being obedient to God.

    The world is justified or has been offered a window to gain its relationship with God because 1 John 2:2) “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Now many believe, but how many obey and accept Christ Lordship and come to him in submissiveness? The (1 John 2:16) “lust of the flesh“, and the (1 John 2:16) “lust of the eyes”, and the (1 John 2:16) “pride of life” will all keep one from abiding in Christ whether it be because of idolism, which spiritual means touching any uncleanness or immorality, Isaiah 52:11) “Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.” or whether it be the snare of one’s own subjection to unrighteousness, sin, and iniquity, which is why many will hear, Matthew 7:23) “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Unless we keep the whole law, every commandment, every point, then we are guilty of sin, we are guilty of breaking every commandment.

    Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    Have you ever kept the whole law?

    Firstfruits

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
      Unless we keep the whole law, every commandment, every point, then we are guilty of sin, we are guilty of breaking every commandment.

      Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

      Have you ever kept the whole law?

      Firstfruits
      Yes, FF, there are commandments -- even in the "NT"

      Blessings,
      BHS

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by BHS View Post
        Yes, FF, there are commandments -- even in the "NT"

        Blessings,
        BHS
        Are you saying that you have kept all that is written in the law, every commandment, every point? With regards to the scripture.

        Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

        Firstfruits

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
          Are you saying that you have kept all that is written in the law, every commandment, every point? With regards to the scripture.

          Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

          Firstfruits

          Are you saying it is error to love God? Is it an error to be honest? Is it an error to help the widow and orphan. Is it an error to not lie? etc.... etc...

          One cannot do any of thse things without continuing in the law. Just because "James" quoted scripture does not mean he nullified the very scripture he quoted.

          Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

          Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

          James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


          This is doctrine fluidity, not doctrine replacement.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Emanate View Post
            Are you saying it is error to love God? Is it an error to be honest? Is it an error to help the widow and orphan. Is it an error to not lie? etc.... etc...

            One cannot do any of thse things without continuing in the law. Just because "James" quoted scripture does not mean he nullified the very scripture he quoted.

            Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

            Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

            James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


            This is doctrine fluidity, not doctrine replacement.
            It depend on what God says is perfect religion that we should follow and which law we are trying to follow.

            Firstfruits

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
              Have you ever kept the whole law?

              Firstfruits
              Apparantly these two did:

              (Luk 1:5) In the days of Herod, King of Y'hudah, there was a cohen named Z'kharyah who belonged to the Aviyah division. His wife was a descendant of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
              (Luk 1:6) Both of them were righteous before God, observing all the mitzvot and ordinances of Adonai blamelessly.
              Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                It depend on what God says is perfect religion that we should follow and which law we are trying to follow.

                Firstfruits

                James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

                Exodus 22:22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
                23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;

                24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

                Deuteronomy
                10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
                18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

                14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
                29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

                16:11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God

                16:14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.

                24:19 When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
                20 When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
                21 When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

                26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
                13 Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them.

                27:19 Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.

                Again: James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

                To what Law is James referring? Why would someone believe that the Law of Messiah and the Law of YHWH would differ?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Firstfruits View Post
                  Are you saying that you have kept all that is written in the law, every commandment, every point? With regards to the scripture.

                  Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

                  Firstfruits

                  Of course not. Keeping the "law" as God meant for it to be kept, however, (and not perfectly as many believe), was not impossible. There are also commandments in the "NT" and the OP only mentioned 3 verses from the Tanach, neither of which came from the Torah, so it seemed your comment came from left field.

                  I find it amusing that James is used to backlash the Torah when it is obvious to those who are familiar with the Torah that he was very Torah-minded.

                  My concern is that in continually undermining the Torah, we also undermine the importance of being obedient to the Lord's commandments that we find throughout the Scripture. We must not lose the importance of being obedient to His commandments. Proverbs is full of instructions and in keeping them, we find wisdom. God truly showed His wisdom within the commandments He gave. They were designed by God so that in following His commandments we are a light to an unbelieving world of Who He is.

                  Blessings,
                  BHS

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Now think about it, Jesus died and gave his life for us, 2 Corinthians 5:21) "God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us" and to set us free from the curse of the law, but did you consider that the ten commandments were not destroyed but rather enforced and got strengthened in the new testament. Think about it, now in today's corrupt society how many things could contribute to idolism? Any willful choosing on one's part to submit themselves to unrighteousness can result in idolism, emphasized. The lord said Matthew 5:28) "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." emphasized, “thou shalt not commit adultery“. 1 John 3:15) "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." emphasized.
                    The ten commandments did not fade away neither did the standards God had for his people in regards to sinning presumptuously which is equated to despising the word.

                    Proverbs 13:13) "Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed"

                    It is presumptuous sin, willful transgression against the law, willful offense to God that will keep one under bondage to sin else

                    2 John 1:9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

                    would mean that no one would every make it to heaven. The righteous shall live by faith but certainly will not willfully run off sinning!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Matthew 5:17,18, 19
                      Jesus said HE did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfil it. The Word also says: one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Then it says that whosoever shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.

                      I think Jesus wants us to live in HIS righteousness..HE knew we would need HIS forgiveness, but HE also said, grace is not a license to sin...I see and hear soooo many Christians say, we are saved by grace and then just go right out and sin, sin, sin, and then say, oh well, all I have to do is ask for forgiveness...this is the very same attitude that the Word says, "God forbid" when one sins as having a license to do so....I think Christians can do a lot better than they do....myself included...Too many excuses and twisting of the scripture. That is my opinion. Jesus said if we kept the two commandments HE gave us, that would cover the ten that God gave plus some...ex: lusting is adultery, not just getting caught in it; hate is murder, not just killing someone.
                      John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life.


                      My testimony: http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137007

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I think there is so much confusion about how the law relates to a Christian because we do not see that the law has nothing to do with how we are saved. The law is our schoolmaster that leads us to Christ Gal.3:24 We can not be saved by law keeping, that is only by faith in what Christ has done. However the faith that saves is not a faith that is alone but is accompanied by works as the epistile of James makes clear. So we are saved by grace through faith alone, but we keep the commandments because we love God.
                        Had the churches in the last 60 years or so faithfully taught that the ten commandments are a rule of life for everybody perhaps we would not be in such a moral decay as we are today.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                          Apparantly these two did:

                          (Luk 1:5) In the days of Herod, King of Y'hudah, there was a cohen named Z'kharyah who belonged to the Aviyah division. His wife was a descendant of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
                          (Luk 1:6) Both of them were righteous before God, observing all the mitzvot and ordinances of Adonai blamelessly.
                          When it comes to the law that they kept "Mosaic" how many of us can say we have done the same? knowing that by offending in one point we are guilty of breaking the whole law "Mosaic"

                          Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

                          God bless you!

                          Firstfruits

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            FF, What James is saying is that anyone who transgresses a commandment of God sins. And sin requires mercy. By the same token, if any believer were to sin, in God's eyes, he is a sinner in need of redemption. Doesn't matter which sin, he might as well have broken them all, because without God's grace He cannot be saved. James is about doing the right thing.

                            Blessings,
                            BHS
                            Last edited by BHS; Feb 3rd 2009, 01:56 PM.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BHS View Post
                              Of course not. Keeping the "law" as God meant for it to be kept, however, (and not perfectly as many believe), was not impossible. There are also commandments in the "NT" and the OP only mentioned 3 verses from the Tanach, neither of which came from the Torah, so it seemed your comment came from left field.

                              I find it amusing that James is used to backlash the Torah when it is obvious to those who are familiar with the Torah that he was very Torah-minded.

                              My concern is that in continually undermining the Torah, we also undermine the importance of being obedient to the Lord's commandments that we find throughout the Scripture. We must not lose the importance of being obedient to His commandments. Proverbs is full of instructions and in keeping them, we find wisdom. God truly showed His wisdom within the commandments He gave. They were designed by God so that in following His commandments we are a light to an unbelieving world of Who He is.

                              Blessings,
                              BHS
                              If the scripture used is not valid regarding whether or not the law is followed as given then why has it been given, is that not what God said from the begining?

                              Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

                              Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

                              Deut 5:32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

                              Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

                              Deut 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

                              What is written in James that does not agree with what God has said?

                              Firstfruits



                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X