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    Found someone who posted this on another site:

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen045.html

    Basically outlines what it feels are similarities between the two. Normally I wouldn't care because I know it's wrong, but I'm seeing other people on the forum being sucked into it and want to be able to present a rebuttle for it since no one else seems willing to offer a response.

    I tried searching to see if someone else had posted it but nothing came up. Sorry in advance if this has already been posted.

    Thanks,

    -Jon
    "Come, Lord Jesus" (Rev. 22: 20)

  • #2
    Alrighty then.

    Let's start at the top!

    In the sixth and fifth centuries B.C., Buddhism was founded by Siddhartha Gautama, also known as "the Buddha" (i.e., the Enlightened One), in southern Nepal.
    Buddism was founded in the sixth and fifth centuries B.C. Big deal. God is eternal. The world had already existed, created by God, 3500 - 3400 years previously. Many things are established. God is not one of them. He has no beginning, no end.

    And right off the top: how can a man, Christ as Son of God, be reincarnated when he wasn't flesh yet?
    Seek ye FIRST the kingdom.
    Not second or third, but first.
    Only when all else pales to God, when He receives all glory,
    when He is the source of all hope,
    when His love is received and freely given,
    holding not to the world but to the promise to come,
    will all other things be added unto to you.

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    • #3
      well jesus bears more similarity to moses , but he is not moses reincarnated

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      • #4
        Hi Jon,

        After reading through the link you gave, I'm not sure what you are looking for?

        Did you know that originally Buddhism taught that if you were a woman that you couldn't reach nirvana unless you were reincarnated as a man and became a Budhhist Monk?

        According to Jesus, when you are a part of His body, there is neither male or female.

        Is this something you are looking for?

        Or how about,

        Have you ever wondered why anyone would want to believe in a god that would subject them to reincarnation? Imagine if you had to go through ten lives and with each life you had to suffer over and over with all kinds of different sickness and disease. What kind of god would make people suffer over and over?

        Hope this helps,
        Love Fountain

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tru_Knyte View Post
          Found someone who posted this on another site:

          http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen045.html

          Basically outlines what it feels are similarities between the two. Normally I wouldn't care because I know it's wrong, but I'm seeing other people on the forum being sucked into it and want to be able to present a rebuttle for it since no one else seems willing to offer a response.

          I tried searching to see if someone else had posted it but nothing came up. Sorry in advance if this has already been posted.

          Thanks,

          -Jon
          Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism, isn’t really religion, but a combination of three philosophies. And Buddha isn't God the Creator either.

          My Japanese mother in-law is a Taoist Buddhist. American's that are Buddhist are usually the 'zen' variety, another philosophy.

          Basically Buddhism developed in the Asian countries around their already primitive beliefs. Taoism is/was a form of ancestor worship. But they also believe in good and bad spirits. Which is why if Jesus isn't presented correctly to them they just add Him to their list.

          Jesus Christ must be presented as God the Creator who created from nothing, for them to grasp the concept.

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          • #6
            Just some more info. I've found out that the guy I'm attempting to witness to now is some sort of Mormon/Buddhist. Weird combo I know. Basically he wanted to use this link to justify that
            a) Buddhism can be combined with Christianity
            b) Mormonism to also be a part of Christianity. due to the fact that Buddhism was tolerant of different gods

            I think I'm starting to open him up a bit which is nice; I managed to show him the proper interpretation of some scriptures that conflict with the Mormon book.

            As an aside, I'm finding it funny how a lot of people who make accusations against Christianity are just ignorant of what it Christianity really is. I mean, I've had people making claims that are the complete opposite of what the Bible teaches, which is in part due to the fact that for some reason a lot of people consider Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons Christians. This might have something to do with the supposed contradictions that people rail about.
            "Come, Lord Jesus" (Rev. 22: 20)

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            • #7
              Here's some great info from wayofthemaster.com
              See the headings BRIDGES FOR EVANGELIZING BUDDHISTS, JESUS AND THE EIGHTFOLD PATH, and
              WHEN WITNESSING TO BUDDHISTS for witnessing and apologetics info.



              FOUNDER:
              Siddhartha Gautama, a prince from northern India near modern Nepal who lived about 563–483 B.C.

              SCRIPTURES:

              Various, but the oldest and most authoritative are compiled in the Pali Canon.

              ADHERENTS:

              613 million worldwide; 1 million in the United States.

              GENERAL DESCRIPTION:

              Buddhism is the belief system of those who follow the Buddha, the Enlightened One, a title given to its founder. The religion has evolved into three main schools:

              1. Theravada or the Doctrine of the Elders (38%) is followed in Sri Lanka (Ceylon), Myanmar (Burma), Thailand, Cambodia (Kampuchea), and Vietnam.

              2. Mahayana or the Greater Vehicle (56%) is strong in China, Korea, and Japan.

              3. Vajrayana, also called Tantrism or Lamaism, (6%) is rooted in Tibet, Nepal, and Mongolia. Theravada is closest to the original doctrines. It does not treat the Buddha as deity and regards the faith as a worldview—not a type of worship. Mahayana has accommodated many different beliefs and worships the Buddha as a god. Vajrayana has added elements of shamanism and the occult and includes taboo breaking (intentional immorality) as a means of spiritual enlightenment.

              GROWTH IN THE UNITED STATES:
              Buddhists regard the United States as a prime mission field, and the number of Buddhists in this country is growing rapidly due to surges in Asian immigration, endorsement by celebrities such as Tina Turner and Richard Gere, and positive exposure in major movies such as Siddhartha, The Little Buddha, and What’s Love Got to Do with It? Buddhism is closely related to the New Age Movement and may to some extent be driving it. Certainly Buddhist growth is benefiting from the influence of New Age thought on American life.

              HISTORIC BACKGROUND:

              Buddhism was founded as a form of atheism that rejected more ancient beliefs in a permanent, personal, creator God (Ishvara) who controlled the eternal destiny of human souls. Siddhartha Gautama rejected more ancient theistic beliefs because of difficulty he had over reconciling the reality of suffering, judgment, and evil with the existence of a good and holy God.

              CORE BELIEFS:

              Buddhism is an impersonal religion of self-perfection, the end of which is death (extinction)—not life. The essential elements of the Buddhist belief system are summarized in the Four Noble Truths, the Noble Eightfold Path, and several additional key doctrines. The Four Noble Truths affirm that (1) life is full of suffering (dukkha); (2) suffering is caused by craving (samudaya); (3) suffering will cease only when craving ceases (nirodha); and (4) this can be achieved by following the Noble Eightfold Path consisting of right views, right aspiration, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right contemplation. Other key doctrines include belief that nothing in life is permanent (anicca), that individual selves do not truly exist (anatta), that all is determined by an impersonal law of moral causation (karma), that reincarnation is an endless cycle of continuous suffering, and that the goal of life is to break out of this cycle by finally extinguishing the flame of life and entering a permanent state of pure nonexistence (nirvana).

              BRIDGES FOR EVANGELIZING BUDDHISTS
              The gospel can be appealing to Buddhists if witnessing focuses on areas of personal need where the Buddhist belief system is weak. Some major areas include:

              Suffering: Buddhists are deeply concerned with overcoming suffering but must deny that suffering is real. Christ faced the reality of suffering and overcame it by solving the problem of sin, which is the real source of suffering. Now, those who trust in Christ can rise above suffering in this life because they have hope of a future life free of suffering. "We fix our eyes not on what is seen [suffering], but on what is unseen [eternal life free of suffering]. For what is seen [suffering] is temporary, but what is unseen [future good life with Christ] is eternal" (2 Cor. 4:18, NIV).

              Meaningful Self: Buddhists must work to convince themselves they have no personal signifi- cance, even though they live daily as though they do. Jesus taught that each person has real significance. Each person is made in God’s image with an immortal soul and an eternal destiny. Jesus demonstrated the value of people by loving us so much that He sacrificed His life in order to offer eternal future good life to anyone who trusts Him. "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Rom. 5:8, NIV). Future Hope: The hope of nirvana is no hope at all—only death and extinction. The hope of those who put their trust in Christ is eternal good life in a "new heaven and new earth" in which God "will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things [suffering] has passed [will pass] away" (Rev. 21:4, NIV). Moral Law: Because karma, the Buddhist law of moral cause and effect, is completely rigid and impersonal, life for a Buddhist is very oppressive. Under karma, there can be no appeal, no mercy, and no escape except through unceasing effort at self- refection. Christians understand that the moral force governing the universe is a personal God who listens to those who pray, who has mercy on those who repent, and who with love personally controls for good the lives of those who follow Christ. "In all things God works for the good of those who love him" (Rom. 8:28, NIV). Merit: Buddhists constantly struggle to earn merit by doing good deeds, hoping to collect enough to break free from the life of suffering. They also believe saints can transfer surplus merit to the undeserving. Jesus taught no one can ever collect enough merit on his own to earn everlasting freedom from suffering. Instead, Jesus Christ, who has unlimited merit (righteousness) by virtue of His sinless life, meritorious death, and resurrection, now offers His unlimited merit as a free gift to anyone who will become His disciple. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8–9, NIV). Desire: Buddhists live a contradiction—they seek to overcome suffering by rooting out desire, but at the same time they cultivate desire for self- ontrol, meritorious life, and nirvana. Christians are consistent—we seek to reject evil desires and cultivate good desires according to the standard of Christ. "Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart" (2 Tim. 2:22, NIV).

              JESUS AND THE EIGHTFOLD PATH
              Because Buddhists think a good life consists of following the Eightfold Path, the stages of the path can be used to introduce them to Christ as follows:

              Right views: Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), and there is salvation in no one else (Acts 4:12). Right aspiration: Fights and quarrels come from selfish desires and wrong motives (Jas. 4:1–3); right desires and motives honor God (1 Cor. 10:31).

              Right speech: A day of judgment is coming when God will hold men accountable for every careless word they have spoken (Matt. 12:36). Right conduct: The one who loves Jesus must obey Him (John 14:21), and those who live by God’s wisdom will produce good acts/fruit (Jas. 3:17).

              Right livelihood: God will care for those who put Him first (Matt. 6:31,33), and all work must be done for God’s approval (2 Tim. 2:15). Right effort: Like runners in a race, followers of Christ must throw off every hindrance in order to give Him their best efforts (Heb. 12:1–2).

              Right mindfulness: The sinful mind cannot submit to God’s law (Rom. 8:7), and disciples of Christ must orient their minds as He did (Phil. 2:5).

              Right contemplation: The secret of true success, inner peace, self-control, and lasting salvation is submission to Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and setting your heart and mind on things above where He now sits in glory waiting to bring the present order of sin and suffering to an end (Col. 3:1–4).

              WHEN WITNESSING TO BUDDHISTS

              1. Avoid terms such as "new birth," "rebirth," "regeneration," or "born again." Use alternatives such as "endless freedom from suffering, guilt, and sin," "new power for living a holy life," "promise of eternal good life without suffering," or "gift of unlimited merit."

              2. Emphasize the uniqueness of Christ. 3. Focus on the gospel message and do not get distracted by details of Buddhist doctrine.

              4. Understand Buddhist beliefs enough to discern weaknesses that can be used to make the gospel appealing (see "Bridges for Evangelizing Buddhists" and "Jesus and the Eightfold Path").

              5. While using bridge concepts (see "Bridges for Evangelizing Buddhists"), be careful not to reduce Christian truth to a form of Buddhism. Buddhism has been good at accommodating other religions. Do not say "Buddhism is good, but Christianity is easier."

              6. Share your own testimony, especially your freedom from guilt, assurance of heaven (no more pain), and personal relationship with Christ.

              7. Prepare with prayer. Do not witness in your own strength.
              http://www.mychristiansite.com/personal/vision/ <-- My site. Check it out

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              • #8
                Thanks for the info Paul. It'll definitely come in handy later.
                "Come, Lord Jesus" (Rev. 22: 20)

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                • #9
                  Buddah is a dead man.
                  Jesus Christ is the living God.
                  Big difference.
                  ...be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man, that Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be full of strength to apprehend with all the saints what the breadth and length and height and depth are and to know the knowledge-surpassing love of Christ, that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God. Eph. 3:16-19

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                  • #10
                    Yes, I would concede that there are similarities between the two men, however, one only needs to read The Gospels and know that there is/was only 1 Jesus. Jesus' birth was immaculately conceived and he is The Annointed One, Healed the sick, made the lame and cripple walk, cast out devils, etc...The Bhudda did none of those things. So if you really look at it and study it beneath the surface, the similarities aren't really that great.

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                    • #11
                      My sons

                      The way i explain other faiths to my eldest 3 sons is. God created the world. All other faiths came later and 'worship' elements of his creation. It is error to worship something God created and therefore evil/ wrong. Why worship a created thing, go straight to the creator of all things. It's very simple and even quite young children can understand. You can only point this out and offer anyone the chance to agree or disagree. I know people see things differently, but i wouldn't spend too much time argueing with one person, when there are people out there thirsty for truth. I'm thinking pearls before swine. Shaking the dust from clothes/ feet. One person won is no more important than the next/ all are equal.
                      1 Corinthians 1:12-13 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

                      Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptised in the name of Paul?

                      KJV

                      May the power of the Spirit of our God unite us. SofTy.

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                      • #12
                        There are no similarities. Buddha never claimed to be a God.

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                        • #13
                          Buddha was "a man who achieved enlightenment". This means that of HIS OWN ABILITY he REACHED GOD. Both Buddhists and Christians DO agree that both have the desire to "be with God". The (core) difference lies in that Buddhists believe that they can do it themselves (through many lives of course) without faith in Christ. This is a direct reflection of pride in oneself. I was only saved a short while ago, and already my best friend (a Buddhist) has begun to question Buddhism. She has begun to realize that she will not be able to "achieve enlightenment" because she sees how Christ has "enlightened" me. Buddhists want to achieve enlightenment, they seem to respond well when we show them how to do that. Through faith in Christ. That, as someone who is currently witnessing to a Buddhist, seems to be the most effective topic.

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                          • #14
                            re Buddha &amp; Jesus

                            Originally posted by Tru_Knyte View Post
                            Found someone who posted this on another site:

                            http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen045.html

                            Basically outlines what it feels are similarities between the two. Normally I wouldn't care because I know it's wrong, but I'm seeing other people on the forum being sucked into it and want to be able to present a rebuttle for it since no one else seems willing to offer a response.

                            I tried searching to see if someone else had posted it but nothing came up. Sorry in advance if this has already been posted.

                            Thanks,

                            -Jon
                            Jon,

                            I think a good approach is to ask a person if they believe that Buddha was a true seeker of God, and then ask if they at believe that Jesus was too.

                            Point out that Jesus made a very specific claim to be God Himself, and that there isn't room to marginalize a claim that outrageous without making a decision of whether He is who and what He said He was.

                            Then I would ask the person what Buddha might say in light of this very difficult question. You can't say he was a good and moral teacher, prophet and great religious leader if He in fact lied about who He said He was. If Buddha had that type of question asked, what might he say?

                            I would add that I myself believe that if Buddha is who everyone claims he is (a true seeker of God and the truth), then when presented with the gospel then he would either fall on his face and worship Jesus, or call Him a fraud.

                            These attempts that many people make at marginalizing the claims of Jesus into something less than what He actually claimed amounts to twisting the truth to make it say what a person wants it to say. Obviously, it is no longer the truth when one mutilates the truth by altering it. Or in other words, Jesus didn't leave us that option to go wishy washy here. He was specific and very pointed in His assertions of who and what He was and is.
                            Last edited by Berean19; Nov 8th 2007, 06:23 AM. Reason: Typos

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                            • #15
                              Most of those things (fasting, poverty, commands against sins, followers with dramatic life changes, etc) are pretty common among religous leaders- like St Francis for exmaple. Alot of the others are found in Jewish legends of the Messiah, which existed before Buddhism.
                              "Death is not the end of life, but a change in life"

                              "Innocence is ugly
                              to the one who is guilty"
                              -10 Years

                              Holbrook Johnson: "Those who reason are lost."
                              GK Chesterton: "Those who do not reason are not worth finding."

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