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  • It is Christ alone who has overcome and sat down on the right hand of God UNTIL His enemies are all placed under His feet--

    Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honor, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
    Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing thatis not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

    The similar mistake is often made concerning other statements made of Jesus as if they were all in place now such as the saints reigning with Him over the nations which is future according to the book of Daniel where the little horn must be destroyed at Armageddon before the saints reign with Christ over the nations begins proper.

    The fact that Christ has included us who are Gods children through Him, to now sit with Him in His Throne, does not suggest that we reign over the world as His Father presently does in oversight, or over the Church as Jesus does, but only that we are His instruments upon earth through whom He reigns as He decides to express it from time to time.

    Only in that sense do we now reign and not continuously, as also in our personal life, and are instructed to come totally to enter into the rest of His Throne, ceasing our own self works which are many and varied in order that we may be found worthy to reign over the nations with Him after the resurrection when He returns, which is the whole point of the book of Daniel when Babylon is finally judged, for indeed all of those in Christ regardless of their origin of religion or race are Gods very own children, the only people of God on earth.

    No one else has anything to do with it. All those who are IN Christ are Gods people and all those who are not in Christ are not Gods people but may become so if not reprobate beyond redemption.(such as multiple murderers and multiple rapists and also warmongers)

    Abraham was promised to be the father of many nations, and Romans gives it that he will inherit the whole world in the future, not a small section through which God gave lessons of the future, even though a certain section of humanity will live there where Christ will be, but not seen personally except by the resurrected, lest mortal man should die.

    Only after the resurrection will it finally be accomplished (Isaiah 66:7 on.)that the resurrected saints as the Mother of Zions children (Isaiah ch 49) will lead a new peoples not yet born into the "promised land" of a world under the dominion of Christ with His saints, and it is not a forgone conclusion that all who believe now will be members of that Mother Zion for the warnings of the Bible are clearly relevent to believers that they must overcome as Christ overcame in order to reign with Him (Rev.3:12 Rev.3:21) and overcoming is not by being born from above alone, as it was also not for Him either. Overcoming is something which the believers must approach and continue in AFTER they are born from above.
    It is not something due to Christs sacrifice alone, for we are bid to die to this world with Him after receiving the free gift of salvation which is the Holy Spirit.

    Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    And the lifestyle of 1 Cor ch 4 is the supreme evidence of any reigning in our times, which no man can pretend that he or she is as such now when they are not, for we live in this present age as Christ lived and died if we are really living in the Spirit of the age to come, as so many claim to be, but there is yet time.

    One can know a lot about the Bible and still not live righteously. Mat ch 23.

    A little knowledge lived rightly is better that much knowledge lived wrongly.


    • Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
      One thing I can't understand clearly, from the dispensational viewpoint that believes Israel's land promise is an unconditional everlasting land covenant, is this.

      If, and just for discussion purposes, let's say 1948 begins the everlasting land covenant and fulfillment of the promise. Let's say from 1948 until the aeons of time eternal future, forevermore.....Israel will continue to posess the land they presently have held since 1948.

      Even in this very optimistic scenerio, it is not a fulfillment of the everlasting land promise to Abraham.

      From 1948 going back 2000 years to Christ, and then going back another 1400 years to Abraham (3400 years roughly), Israel did not hold the land as an everlasting possession. Most of that 3400 years, Israel either possessed a portion of the land, or none of the land.

      For the land promise to Abraham to have truly been 'everlasting', then from the time of Abraham forward, including the last 3400 years), Israel should have been in possession of that land.

      Since that hasn't been the case, it seems clear to me, that the intent of the promise was different that what Dispensationalism tends to want to make it out to be.

      How can 3400 missing years of possession fit with a claimed literal everlasting possession of land?
      This present Jerusalem is not everlasting.

      Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.


      • Firstfruits,

        You are correct. But, do you actual understand what Heb. 13:14 is talking about?

        Will we see physical temple built in earthly Jerusalem at second advent?

        Second, will this old Jerusalem to be still survived and exist beyond second advent?

        In Christ
        Rev. 22:20 -Amen!