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    Are there any of you who have ever read about something Jesus has said or did and were just wondering why He did it that way? Is there anything that confuses you about his ways of doing things?

    Like a common one I here alot is "Why was Jesus so brutal with the Pharisees?"

    I just thought this would be a good idea to maybe start understanding Jesus' way of thinking. SO if any one wants to start ....

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    Jesus was outright and harshfully truthful when it came to the Pharisees because that's what it would take to rattle their hypocritical mindsets. He wasn't going to patronize them and go along with their charade that they were "good" men and "good" teachers. They were false prophets, hypocrites, and, in His words, a "brood of vipers." Jesus probably also did it so openly so other people would come to realize He was right about them, too.
    To This Day

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    • #3
      I believe the reason Jesus was so brutal with the pharisees was because he was giving them His neck. He knew by exposing them they would react and expose themselves even more. His strategy worked, they crusified him, they even claimed the emperor of rome as their King. The Pharisees were full of so much religion and hate they were willing to let vile criminal go rather than a righteous man, the had an incocent man crucified, they even claimed allegiance to Rome, all to just keep their religious control over the people. They didn't even really want a messiah, they wanted to run the show and keep all of the glory for themselves, they didn't want to share it with the messiah. SO Jesus by laying his life down exposed the wicked and cold heartedness of the Religious Elite and their vain religion.

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      • #4
        Me thinks Christ was not too fond of religious systems. Why? Because they were the ones that killed all the prophets.

        Luke 13:33-34
        33 "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.
        NASU

        Matt 23:34-36

        34 " Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 " Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
        NASU

        So where was Jerusalem when Abel was killed? Hmmm. Methinks it was found in Cain.

        It has always been and always will be the religious system that crucified Christ. Even to this day, we see him still being crucified in many ways.
        Matt 9:13
        13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
        NASU

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stefen View Post
          I believe the reason Jesus was so brutal with the pharisees was because he was giving them His neck. He knew by exposing them they would react and expose themselves even more. His strategy worked, they crusified him, they even claimed the emperor of rome as their King. The Pharisees were full of so much religion and hate they were willing to let vile criminal go rather than a righteous man, the had an incocent man crucified, they even claimed allegiance to Rome, all to just keep their religious control over the people. They didn't even really want a messiah, they wanted to run the show and keep all of the glory for themselves, they didn't want to share it with the messiah. SO Jesus by laying his life down exposed the wicked and cold heartedness of the Religious Elite and their vain religion.
          I don't think Jesus was trying to goad them into killing Him. He knew it would happen, but that doesn't mean He was egging them on to do it.
          To This Day

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          • #6
            Originally posted by markedward View Post
            Jesus was outright and harshfully truthful when it came to the Pharisees because that's what it would take to rattle their hypocritical mindsets. He wasn't going to patronize them and go along with their charade that they were "good" men and "good" teachers. They were false prophets, hypocrites, and, in His words, a "brood of vipers." Jesus probably also did it so openly so other people would come to realize He was right about them, too.
            I agree with this...notice they were guilty of keeping people from knowing the Lord, this is a rather condemning statement....

            Mat 23:13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

            God forbid that we should shut up heaven from those that would seek to know the Lord!
            Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare. Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow.

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            • #7
              Wasn't...

              ...Paul a Pharisee?

              ACTS 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

              Wasn't Caiaphas a Pharisee?

              JN 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
              JN 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
              JN 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
              JN 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

              And yet he was allowed to prophecy? They weren't all bad, obviously.
              JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
              JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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              • #8
                For me the two biggest things he did was 1. create wine (an alcoholic drink) at the wedding. His first miracle as a matter of fact. Today we have Christians stating that alcohol is "evil", "sinful" etc. Kinda strange for Jesus Himself to condone the consumption of wine then, isn't it? I mean, someone at that wedding party had to drink it after it was created "after" the first batch was drank up already?

                The second is, every time Jesus talks to a centurion, not once does He tell them that their job as a soldier is sinful. Even the one's that are faithful, their faith heals their child but Jesus still didn't tell this one to leave military service. Yet today their are Christians stating that military life for a faithful servant of God is wrong. If it wasn't wrong then, why is it wrong today?
                Slug1--out

                ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stefen View Post
                  Are there any of you who have ever read about something Jesus has said or did and were just wondering why He did it that way? Is there anything that confuses you about his ways of doing things?

                  Like a common one I here alot is "Why was Jesus so brutal with the Pharisees?"

                  I just thought this would be a good idea to maybe start understanding Jesus' way of thinking. SO if any one wants to start ....
                  I wouldn't say He was "brutal" with them. But if you mean "brutally honest", then I'd agree. He held religious leaders accountable for what they taught. If He didn't care He wouldn't have addressed them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stefen View Post
                    Are there any of you who have ever read about something Jesus has said or did and were just wondering why He did it that way? Is there anything that confuses you about his ways of doing things?

                    Like a common one I here alot is "Why was Jesus so brutal with the Pharisees?"

                    I just thought this would be a good idea to maybe start understanding Jesus' way of thinking. SO if any one wants to start ....
                    You'll notice that, in human affairs, people spend more time arguing with the people they agree the most with.

                    For instance people in various cChristian groups spend more energy, and get more angry with people from other Christian groups over this or that point of doctrine than they do with people of other faiths.

                    The fact is the Pharisees are the group of the time whose teaching was nearest that of Jesus, so he spent more time dealing with them.

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                    • #11
                      Why do you all think Jesus used purification pots instead of the empty wine vessels to put new wine in?

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                      • #12
                        Luke 17:5-10
                        5 One day the apostles said to the Lord, “We need more faith; tell us how to get it.”
                        6 “Even if you had faith as small as a mustard seed,” the Lord answered, “you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘May God uproot you and throw you into the sea,’ and it would obey you!
                        7 “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, he doesn’t just sit down and eat. 8 He must first prepare his master’s meal and serve him his supper before eating his own. 9 And the servant is not even thanked, because he is merely doing what he is supposed to do. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are not worthy of praise. We are servants who have simply done our duty.’”

                        Here's one too, ever wonder what being a servant has to do with faith? The disciples question was "tell us how to get more faith".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stefen View Post
                          Why do you all think Jesus used purification pots instead of the empty wine vessels to put new wine in?
                          Great question Stefen, I don't know but I think I'm going to ask HolySpirit tonight. Thanks.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stefen View Post
                            I believe the reason Jesus was so brutal with the pharisees was because he was giving them His neck. He knew by exposing them they would react and expose themselves even more. His strategy worked, they crusified him, they even claimed the emperor of rome as their King. The Pharisees were full of so much religion and hate they were willing to let vile criminal go rather than a righteous man, the had an incocent man crucified, they even claimed allegiance to Rome, all to just keep their religious control over the people. They didn't even really want a messiah, they wanted to run the show and keep all of the glory for themselves, they didn't want to share it with the messiah. SO Jesus by laying his life down exposed the wicked and cold heartedness of the Religious Elite and their vain religion.
                            I tend to agree.

                            (Dan 2:30 KJV) But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

                            Daniel was given the interpretation of the king's dream so that the king might know his own heart.

                            (Rev 2:22-23 KJV) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. {23} And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

                            (John 2:23-25 KJV) Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. {24} But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, {25} And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

                            (John 6:64 KJV) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

                            We see Jesus evoking faith in those He drew to Himself over and over in the gospels. It seems He was also able to bring out of hiding the unbelief of the Pharisees as well. They may not have admitted their own hypocrisy, but Jesus showed it to the people nonetheless.

                            It seems to be a time worn principle that if you give a man enough rope he will hang himself. It certainly worked for Judas, and the Pharisees as well.
                            Robin

                            Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood so established that, unless one loves the truth, he cannot know it. - Blaise Pascal
                            And Jesus saith unto him [Thomas], I am the way the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6
                            Discernment is not needed in things that differ, but in things that appear to be the same. - Miles Sanford
                            Those who compromise with Christ’s enemies may be reckoned with them. - C.H. Spurgeon

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jiggyfly View Post
                              Luke 17:5-10
                              5 One day the apostles said to the Lord, “We need more faith; tell us how to get it.”
                              6 “Even if you had faith as small as a mustard seed,” the Lord answered, “you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘May God uproot you and throw you into the sea,’ and it would obey you!
                              7 “When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, he doesn’t just sit down and eat. 8 He must first prepare his master’s meal and serve him his supper before eating his own. 9 And the servant is not even thanked, because he is merely doing what he is supposed to do. 10 In the same way, when you obey me you should say, ‘We are not worthy of praise. We are servants who have simply done our duty.’”

                              Here's one too, ever wonder what being a servant has to do with faith? The disciples question was "tell us how to get more faith".
                              Exactly my point, Jesus seemed to always allude questions but I bet if we dig in a little deeper we can discover why he did thing the way he did.

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