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    Judas was picked by Jesus knowing that he'd do what he did and even told him and everyone that he'd "betray" him. Jesus picked Judas for a reason not by chance. The other disciples would've never done what Jesus wanted to happen which was show everyone what it really means to give up everything you have for love and good. It even shows Judas' selflessness because he did what was supposed to happen thus making the majority of Christians think negatively about him, but he didn't care because he knew it would help tons of people. Jesus said sacrificing yourself for others is a good thing and Jesus and Judas showed what it really means to sacrifice yourself for people.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jack Frost View Post
    Judas was picked by Jesus knowing that he'd do what he did and even told him and everyone that he'd "betray" him. Jesus picked Judas for a reason not by chance. The other disciples would've never done what Jesus wanted to happen which was show everyone what it really means to give up everything you have for love and good. It even shows Judas' selflessness because he did what was supposed to happen thus making the majority of Christians think negatively about him, but he didn't care because he knew it would help tons of people. Jesus said sacrificing yourself for others is a good thing and Jesus and Judas showed what it really means to sacrifice yourself for people.
    So Jack, are you one of those who believe that Judas had a second chance and is in heaven now, since he was hand picked by Jesus to betray Him?
    - Matt -
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    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
    of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Soj_NZ View Post
      So Jack, are you one of those who believe that Judas had a second chance and is in heaven now, since he was hand picked by Jesus to betray Him?
      Do you think Judas is in hell and you have a right to judge souls ?

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      • #4
        Concerning Judas

        Ac 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
        17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
        18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
        19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
        20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.


        This is the passage that Peter (above) applies to Judas...

        Ps 109:5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
        6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
        7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
        8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
        9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
        10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
        11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.
        12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
        13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
        14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
        15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
        16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
        17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
        18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
        19 Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
        20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.


        Judas was the "adversary" of Christ according to Christ's own words in this prophetic Psalm. To say that Judas and Christ worked (and sacrificed themselves) together is...

        Well, I'll let the Lord decide what it is.
        Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will

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        • #5
          Or thats how you want to take it because it doesn't say Judas you just think it implys that it does. If you want to think negativly then thats fine.

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          • #6
            But it does say Judas.

            Ac 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before CONCERNING JUDAS, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
            17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
            18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
            19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
            20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.


            Peter is clear that the Psalm refers directly to him.

            You're on the wrong path here, friend.
            Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Isaac-Saxon View Post
              Do you think Judas is in hell and you have a right to judge souls ?
              Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying!
              - Matt -
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              Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
              of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DaveS View Post
                But it does say Judas.


                Peter is clear that the Psalm refers directly to him.

                You're on the wrong path here, friend.
                Or thats Peters opinion unless Peter's God and he knows all. Didn't Judas hang himself? Looks like he didn't even know how he died.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jack Frost View Post
                  Or thats Peters opinion unless Peter's God and he knows all.
                  God was speaking through Peter, that's how God wrote the Bible. The Holy Spirit inspired Peter to write those words, they are the true words of God and far more authoritative than any words or opinions any of us have on this matter.
                  - Matt -
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                  Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
                  of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13

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                  • #10
                    Well then why doesn't God know how he died?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jack Frost View Post
                      Well then why doesn't God know how he died?
                      God does know though.
                      - Matt -
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                      Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
                      of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13

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                      • #12
                        Judas did not give his life for anyone. He died because he could not bear the guilt.

                        The fact is, he betrayed Jesus with a kiss! (Some friend and helper!)
                        Who in the world taught you your belief?
                        My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

                        "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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                        • #13
                          And just because Jesus knew Judas' heart, that does not mean He chose that for Judas or forced him into it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Diggindeeper View Post
                            Judas did not give his life for anyone. He died because he could not bear the guilt.

                            The fact is, he betrayed Jesus with a kiss! (Some friend and helper!)
                            Who in the world taught you your belief?

                            Well thats what you believe. Know one taught me what to believe. Maybe its because you were taught what to believe, you get a negative impression.

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                            • #15
                              Jesus said that he only lost one, the one foretold by the prophets, and that was Judas.
                              So he is lost then.

                              All were quite capable of betraying him, but the others didnt betray him.
                              All of them were slowww to believe, peter denied him, thomas doubted and Judass betrayed him.

                              To say that Judas was hand picked to betray him is nonsense.
                              He said to them all -"follow me" not betray me.
                              Judas role was to follow him, but he decided to follow the suggestion the devil made to him instead

                              Jesus said sacrificing yourself for others is a good thing and Jesus and Judas showed what it really means to sacrifice yourself for people.
                              Thats pretty outrageous Jack,
                              you sacrifice yourself to others by not thinking of what you want, but what others want.
                              Judas was a million miles away from this.

                              Jesus gave freely , judas took decietfully.
                              God in no-way suggested to Judas---betray my Son.
                              This would make him innocent and not lost, as Jesus and the prophets suggest.
                              And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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