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  • The Fourth Temple

    The fourth temple is next. When will the fourth temple be built?

    What's holding it up from being built?

  • #2
    If you're speaking of a fourth temple, what/who do you think is the third temple?

    Biblically speaking, Jesus is the third temple, and Biblically speaking, there won't be a fourth temple. For a literal physical temple to be built, the builders need God's approval; God gave His approval for the first temple (Solomon's Temple), and He gave His approval for the second temple. It was His disfavor with His people that warranted the destruction of either. Since Jesus became the "third" temple, God's people have no need of a physical "fourth" temple, in which case, it won't be built without God's approval, and seeing as how a fourth temple would warrant blasphemy against Jesus, it simply won't happen... at least, not unless Jews force it into being done (and they'll have half of the world against them along the way), resulting in either a lot of dead Jews and no temple, or a temple that doesn't do anything for anyone.

    Let's do a little bit of historical research.

    Now, the yearly event of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) was the time when the high priest would enter the Holy of Holies to ask for God's forgiveness for the sins of the people. He had a particular red string tied to his garments, and if God forgave the people, the string turned white. If not, God killed the high priest, and the other priests dragged him out of the Holy of Holies.

    However, the Talmud (a Jewish, non-Christian source) records that in the forty years preceding the second temple's destruction (i.e., from 30 AD, the year of Jesus' sacrifice, up to 70 AD, the year of the temple's destruction) that the red string did not turn white. But, the author of the Gospel of Luke and of Acts tells us that the same high priest was around both before and after Jesus' sacrifice.

    Meaning, God's presence left the temple, in which case, even though the high priest's string never turned white, he wasn't killed by God. Why? Because God's temple was now Jesus; God's presence no longer resided in the physical temple, but in Jesus and His followers.

    The first temple, God allowed it to be built, and when the people turned away from Him, He moved invading armies into destroying the first temple.

    And only after God's people turned back to Him did He allowed a second temple to be built. And when God's people again turned away from Him, He moved invading armies into destroying the second temple.

    But the epistles tell us that Jesus is now our ("third") temple, in which case, God has no need for another physical temple, and building one would only blaspheme Jesus, as He is our high priest, our temple, and our one and only sacrifice. And considering it's been nearly 2000 years without a temple, I think we have enough proof that God has been preventing the building of another physical temple, and a good amount of insurance that another one won't be built in our future.



    I'm sure a lot of people here have read the Left Behind series. Did no one ever notice that once the "third temple" of the series was built, they never really said whether the priests were able to get certain things to work (such as the red-string turning white). I mean... in the story of the series, the temple was standing for a good three and a half years, yet not one mention is made about whether certain rituals or ceremonies brought anything to fruition? Probably because it'd be worldwide news that the high priest entered the Holy of Holies and was not killed by God even though the string never turned white... for three years straight.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by markedward View Post
      If you're speaking of a fourth temple, what/who do you think is the third temple?

      Biblically speaking, Jesus is the third temple, and Biblically speaking, there won't be a fourth temple. For a literal physical temple to be built, the builders need God's approval; God gave His approval for the first temple (Solomon's Temple), and He gave His approval for the second temple. It was His disfavor with His people that warranted the destruction of either. Since Jesus became the "third" temple, God's people have no need of a physical "fourth" temple, in which case, it won't be built without God's approval, and seeing as how a fourth temple would warrant blasphemy against Jesus, it simply won't happen... at least, not unless Jews force it into being done (and they'll have half of the world against them along the way), resulting in either a lot of dead Jews and no temple, or a temple that doesn't do anything for anyone.

      Let's do a little bit of historical research.

      Now, the yearly event of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) was the time when the high priest would enter the Holy of Holies to ask for God's forgiveness for the sins of the people. He had a particular red string tied to his garments, and if God forgave the people, the string turned white. If not, God killed the high priest, and the other priests dragged him out of the Holy of Holies.

      However, the Talmud (a Jewish, non-Christian source) records that in the forty years preceding the second temple's destruction (i.e., from 30 AD, the year of Jesus' sacrifice, up to 70 AD, the year of the temple's destruction) that the red string did not turn white. But, the author of the Gospel of Luke and of Acts tells us that the same high priest was around both before and after Jesus' sacrifice.

      Meaning, God's presence left the temple, in which case, even though the high priest's string never turned white, he wasn't killed by God. Why? Because God's temple was now Jesus; God's presence no longer resided in the physical temple, but in Jesus and His followers.

      The first temple, God allowed it to be built, and when the people turned away from Him, He moved invading armies into destroying the first temple.

      And only after God's people turned back to Him did He allowed a second temple to be built. And when God's people again turned away from Him, He moved invading armies into destroying the second temple.

      But the epistles tell us that Jesus is now our ("third") temple, in which case, God has no need for another physical temple, and building one would only blaspheme Jesus, as He is our high priest, our temple, and our one and only sacrifice. And considering it's been nearly 2000 years without a temple, I think we have enough proof that God has been preventing the building of another physical temple, and a good amount of insurance that another one won't be built in our future.



      I'm sure a lot of people here have read the Left Behind series. Did no one ever notice that once the "third temple" of the series was built, they never really said whether the priests were able to get certain things to work (such as the red-string turning white). I mean... in the story of the series, the temple was standing for a good three and a half years, yet not one mention is made about whether certain rituals or ceremonies brought anything to fruition? Probably because it'd be worldwide news that the high priest entered the Holy of Holies and was not killed by God even though the string never turned white... for three years straight.
      Well, I just got back from Israel a little over a week ago and the guides taught us that the third temple is done with and out of the way because it was being built and then it was erected because the measurements were incorrect. They said that the fourth temple is to be built next, and that the only reason it has not been built yet is because while everyone knows what a cubit is, no one knows the exact measurement of a cubit.

      As far as it being from the wrist to the elbow, from the tip of the fingers to the elbow, from the elbow to the thumb, etc... Know isn't that something?

      2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
      or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      Based on 2 Thessalonians 2:4 looks like God has given permission for some sort of temple to
      be built because 2 Thess 2:4 hasn't taken place yet, and according to what it is saying, this
      opposser sitteth in the temple of God.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by deepjagga View Post
        Well, I just got back from Israel a little over a week ago and the guides taught us that the third temple is done with and out of the way because it was being built and then it was erected because the measurements were incorrect. They said that the fourth temple is to be built next, and that the only reason it has not been built yet is because while everyone knows what a cubit is, no one knows the exact measurement of a cubit.
        So did you take the opportunity when they were talking about the fourth temple, to share with them that it had already been built? Did they receive the gospel message concerning the 4th temple and its everlasting glory?

        Mark 14:58 "I will destroy this temple(#3) that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another(#4) made without hands. "

        Acts 7:48 "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples
        (#3) made with hands"

        Acts 17:24 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples
        (#3) made with hands"

        Hebrews 9:11 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle(#4), not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building(#3)"

        Hebrews 9:24 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands
        (#3), which are the figures of the true(#4)"

        Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us
        (#3); Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple(#4) in the Lord"

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        • #5
          Hi deepjagga.
          The fourth temple is next. When will the fourth temple be built?

          What's holding it up from being built?
          I think the main hold up is that the place where Jews want to build the temple is controlled by Muslims. Folks in the end time section of this website have made a good case for why end time prophesies from the Bible aren't about a physical stone temple, but we should all be aware that there are Jews today who are seriously planning to build one in Israel.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by deepjagga View Post
            Based on 2 Thessalonians 2:4 looks like God has given permission for some sort of temple to
            be built because 2 Thess 2:4 hasn't taken place yet, and according to what it is saying, this
            opposser sitteth in the temple of God.
            It's also important to note that the epistles were written before the second temple's destruction, so it's easy to come to the conclusion that they were speaking of the second temple when they wrote "the temple."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
              So did you take the opportunity when they were talking about the fourth temple, to share with them that it had already been built? Did they receive the gospel message concerning the 4th temple and its everlasting glory?

              Mark 14:58 "I will destroy this temple(#3) that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another(#4) made without hands. "

              Acts 7:48 "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples(#3) made with hands"

              Acts 17:24 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples(#3) made with hands"

              Hebrews 9:11 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle(#4), not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building(#3)"

              Hebrews 9:24 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands(#3), which are the figures of the true(#4)"

              Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us(#3); Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple(#4) in the Lord"
              See...believers rely on the scriptures to guide them and that's good, but unbelievers will indeed be turned the way of a physical temple. A physical temple is the only thing they are going to follow. They won't follow Jesus now. They will follow whatever sits in a physical temple showing itself that it is God becasuse the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.

              Therefore, a fourth temple will be built, the antichrist will sit in it, and the natural man will receive him.
              Last edited by deepjagga; Dec 19th 2007, 12:29 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JesusisGod View Post
                Hi deepjagga.

                I think the main hold up is that the place where Jews want to build the temple is controlled by Muslims. Folks in the end time section of this website have made a good case for why end time prophesies from the Bible aren't about a physical stone temple, but we should all be aware that there are Jews today who are seriously planning to build one in Israel.
                The location has already been chosen. The hold up is the coming up with exact measurement for a cubit. No one in the world is sure what it really is. They said they are waiting on another sign from God as far as how to mearsure the cubit.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by markedward View Post
                  It's also important to note that the epistles were written before the second temple's destruction, so it's easy to come to the conclusion that they were speaking of the second temple when they wrote "the temple."
                  Well, the Bible itself speaks of a temple of god, that the antichrist will be sitting in. Jesus know the
                  temple we pray through, but I doubt very seriously if Jesus is the temple body the antichrist will be sitting in.

                  The Israelies are already aware of the building of the next temple-the fourth temple that must take place.

                  All religions are false religions because within each religion, false gods are worshipped (directly or indirectly)
                  The guides in Israel told us that each of the temples represent the four main religions of the world.

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                  • #10
                    Any day now perhaps the dome of the rock will be gone-one way or another-or the Ark of the Covenant will be found-one way or another though, the temple will be built. And yes, it will be physical.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deepjagga View Post
                      but unbelievers will indeed be turned the way of a physical temple.
                      The thing is, unbelievers don't want to worship in a temple....they have ipods and MTV and football games which they would much rather worship with than a rebuilt Jewish animal-sacrificing building.

                      2000+ years ago it wasn't uncommon to sacrifice animals throughout many of the worlds religions.

                      Today, people would be more apt to be interested in Jesus than watching an old grey-bearded Hebrew cut open a goat, and say their sins are forgiven.

                      I guess Jesus had more foresight than we sometimes give him credit when he said, "not one stone will be left upon another".

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by godsgirl View Post
                        Any day now perhaps the dome of the rock will be gone-one way or another-or the Ark of the Covenant will be found-one way or another though, the temple will be built. And yes, it will be physical.


                        The ark of the covenant....hasn't it already been found, and is boxed away in a warehouse in Washington D.C.?


                        No seriously....here it is....I found it!!!!

                        Revelation 11:19 "in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of his covenant could be seen inside the Temple."




                        Noone is going to go to heaven, and drag the ark of the covenant out of the Holy Heavenly temple, and bring it back down to Earth to put it back in a stone temple made with hands.

                        Hebrews 9:4 "the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time THEN present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them untilthe time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building"


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                        • #13
                          Hi deepjagga.
                          The location has already been chosen.
                          Where do they plan to build it? I thought the location of the former temple was where the Dome of the Rock is and the Jews wanted to build it there. Is that the place? If so, alot of Muslims will be unhappy about it.

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                          • #14
                            According to some fairly recent archeological finds, it would seem that the Dome actually sits just to the south of where the temple sat. There is apparently room to build the temple in it's original location, without the outer court, with a partition wall between it and the Dome.

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                            • #15
                              The temple will be built during or near the tribulation-when Jesus is dealing with the Jewish people-the time of "Jacob's trouble".

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