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    I wrote some of this on another post, but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted other posters` responses, so here it is again.

    I am posting this here, now, because I was the only white person involved...and I am still trying to figure out if this is racial, cultural, or just the dismal state of the world in general. I am still having a hard time accepting, and believing, that people can be this cold-hearted and uncaring...especially under such extreme circumstances as these were...

    So please tell me your thoughts, and maybe I can sort all this out in my head and come to some kind of resolution about it all. Thank you in advance.

    This is about an incident I witnessed over a year ago...

    What happened was this: I was standing at a bus stop in a bad neighborhood, when I saw a stabbing. That certain corner has a lot of drug and prostitution activity. And by 7AM in October, people are already out there, selling their wares:::rolling eyes:::

    The stabber was walking down toward the corner, when the other man drove by and saw him, so the driver pulled over and parked and got out of the car and went to the corner, where the two met. Then the stabber pulled out the knife...

    There were 20+ people there, standing in assorted groups on those four corners - by a quick glance, I could tell there were at least 5 on each corner. I always have to check these things out - being aware of my environment when I am out, etc.

    The guy who got stabbed began walking back to his car, back towards me... when I realized nobody was moving, I put my raincoat and bag down on the bench (not caring at that point if someone stole it or not) and went to help the guy. He was going into shock and had begun peeling his clothes off - a coat and two shirts. Blood was pouring down everywhere - his pants were soaked, it was even into and out of his shoes...

    I looked around again - nobody moving, nobody on a cell phone either - so I called 911 on my cell phone, told them what happened and the location, and hung up on them - they were asking me all kinds of questions, but I didn`t stay on the phone.

    I was trying to get the man to lie down on the bus bench until help came, but he staggered around in circles, over and over, so I just tried to hold onto him, to keep him from falling. As he turned, I could see 6 definite wounds, I couldn`t count any more - he kept turning in circles...he finally did sit down when his legs gave way on him.

    Now while I`m doing this I keep glancing around, because I figured the stabber would either come back and hurt me or stab me too, or come back to finish him off, or someone else would approach us, but no one did. I hoped the police would show up, but they didn`t... the ambulance did.

    I couldn`t even think to pray - just "Oh God! Oh God! Help us here!" over and over in my mind... NObody even came near us two, to help...

    The ambulance got there in about 15 minutes, and so did another bus, so I grabbed my bag and raincoat and jumped on the bus and rode on to work. I did about 10 surgical scrubs on myself - I just kept feeling that warm, sticky blood running down my hands and arms...and I prayed all day "God, let him live"

    After I got to work I called the police, and told them I was the one who called about the stabbing, so they took all my information, and a detective came to see me when I got home that evening, and took my statement.

    He said that the stabbing was a drug deal gone bad, and advised me to change my routes and stay off the neighborhood streets for a while, as so many people had seen me - and so had the stabber. So I began catching different buses at different times, on different corners, until I moved from there. And I never have seen the stabber again...

    This was on one newscast, on one channel, that evening, for about 15 seconds, and that was all! Now this was an attempted murder if I ever did see one. A stabbing is a stabbing - but this man had so many stab wounds! what else could anybody call it?

    The man did live - he had a long surgery, and then some more problems, but the detective called me back two days later and said the man was going to make it... I was SO glad...

    But it took me a long time to deal with all that. Nobody came to help. Nobody, even though several people there ( I found out later) knew the man who had gotten stabbed...

    Actually, I am still having a hard time. Out of ALL the bystanders, nobody moved... Is this attitude just the state of today`s world? Answers are much appreciated. Thanks.
    Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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    Wow, you know, unfortunately I think it is a state of fear that causes people to not become involved.
    Praise God you and the victim lived.
    I'm Sara
    "Jesus wept." John 11:35
    Praying for my sister Mieke.
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    • #3
      Fear of what? The man who was stabbed? the stabber? maybe the police? ( I never thought of THAT!)

      This all just seems so... ABNORMAL...for lack of a better word. No reaction to someone in distress...
      Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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      • #4
        Much of it is the simple fact that now... no one wants to get involved. They know the area too and they know what it was likely about. To get involved in many areas means you're going to likely die or get messed up some way or the other. What they don't understand though... until they do get involved then that is how they will live the rest of their lives. Sadly... many just don't care any longer. The reasons for that are many I suppose... some probably justified.


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        • #5
          ProjectPeter, you seem to understand the psychology behind this. So tell me - is this the mindset of the population - is this the nature of man today, is this the way of the world we now live in? Thanks.
          Last edited by menJesus; Mar 9th 2008, 04:44 PM. Reason: typo
          Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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          • #6
            Hey MenJesus, I understand how you're feeling. This is to do with demonic oppression of neighbourhoods and people's, not race per se. I have seen some horrible things too in my time - but here is one thing I thought I'd share.

            In a neighbourhood I lived in several years ago, Toxteth, Liverpool (do a google search to find out about Toxteth riots if you want a flavour of the place) I was waiting for a bus one day, when I saw a little old white lady being attacked on the other side of the duel carriage way. (Her assailant was also white.)

            I ran over, and by the time I got there the guy who assaulted her had been grappled to the floor by two Somalian guys who had been waiting to get into a drop in centre. He got up and tried to biff them, but about six other Somalian lads made their way across, and apprehended him, holding him till the police arrived. (I just sat there with my arm around the old lady, who as you can imagine was shaking.)

            I wasn't much use to her, and never saw her again. But later that day a police man came to take my statement. When I told him that the men who'd done the citizens arrest had been waiting outside the Somali centre, he said, "I can't spell Somali... Oh, just call them packies."

            I was so stunned I couldn't even open my mouth.

            Later... six months later, I was talking to one of the Somalian guys. He said, "I just moved here last year. You've got some dirty demons in this neighbourhood, don't you?" I thought he meant in the physical realm. Turned out he meant spiritual.

            The old lady lived eight months after her assault. It didn't even make the local paper.
            Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

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            • #7
              Oh, my goodness! Well, so demonic oppression is the root cause of some of this stuff going on...that makes perfect sense.

              And all I can do is pray, right?
              Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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              • #8
                I would say that only prayer will help us against all of this. The Somali guy hadn't been in the UK long enough to be seduced by our demons. But since I've been Christian, I've definitely seen that demons dictate to us how we behave.

                You have no idea how sorry I am... I've seen folks turn round and behave utterly irrationally, hysterically and insanely because they WILL not reject their demons.

                But they deserve our prayers nontheless.
                Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

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                • #9
                  Oh my goodness! I used to pray for that neighborhood daily, while I was in it. I will have to add that to my list - I will have to make a list! So many needs, everywhere...

                  You know, I have heard stories re: the oppression here, but I have never given them a lot of thought, or put a lot of stock into them, until now...

                  Thanks, daughter.
                  Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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                  • #10
                    I'd not have a problem saying that there is plenty of demonic activity going on in many places... don't doubt that at all. I'm just the sort that wants to keep it simple too... and much of what it is would be the simple flesh of a lot of folks and that flesh is plain rotten. Think of what Paul said to Timothy... in the last days people will be lovers of money, lovers of themselves and he runs a list of other things that describe this world to a tee. Lot's of folks will say that men have been like this since time began and I suppose there is some truth to that. BUT that being said... the sheer number and percentage of the population that is like this now days far surpasses other times. I suppose all that to simply say... it's just one more of those "signs of the times".


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by daughter View Post

                      I wasn't much use to her, and never saw her again. But later that day a police man came to take my statement. When I told him that the men who'd done the citizens arrest had been waiting outside the Somali centre, he said, "I can't spell Somali... Oh, just call them packies."

                      I was so stunned I couldn't even open my mouth.
                      Here is me showing my ignorances again...what are Somali centre and why were you stunned the police called them packies? What are packies?

                      menJesus..

                      What PP said...sadly alot of people are raised this way and its so common in their neighborhoods they don't think much of stabbings and all.. Bill Cosby addresses this well...the parents don't care about their children...they instill no good sense or morals in them...they call their own children stupid and dumb and expect nothing but bad from them. They teach them nothing and let the 'streets' teach them instead...so they become no better then animals..marking their territory like animals do and fighting over it and killing for their 'block'...its stupid and really isn't any better then we see in the animals in the wild.

                      But this is all they know! Drugs are their only escape from the emotional pain they are in..the only 'job' they know how to do...dealing drugs. The parents think teaching their children disciple is beating them. They are neglected and abused and grow up angry and hateful...its terrible. I have no doubt spiritual forces are at work also of course. They don't go to help when someone is being attacked because if they do they will be targeted next! They know that, that is why they stand there and do nothing... It must be a horrible way to live...and die.

                      God bless
                      "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                      • #12
                        When I read stories like this I always think back to the days of Noah when violence filled the land. Man's every thought was about violence. It must have been extremely bad because it seems to me, what you saw would have been the norm in his day.

                        It is a sad day we live in because everyone is scared and afraid to get involved, and probably with good reason.
                        Matt 9:13
                        13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by menJesus View Post
                          ProjectPeter, you seem to understand the psychology behind this. So tell me - is this the mindset of the population - is this the nature of man today, is this the way of the world we now live in? Thanks.
                          It sounds like a group mentality situation. People are less inclined to individual action when they can remain anonymous in a non-descript group. In other words, our society is cowed into inaction out of indifference and or personal fear.
                          The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
                          In the ranks of death ye will find him;
                          His father's sword he hath girded on,
                          And his wild harp slung behind him;
                          "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
                          "Tho' all the world betray thee,
                          One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
                          One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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                          • #14
                            It sounds like you were the good Samaritan. People are afraid to get involved sometimes...I think.


                            This is a totally different situation but a little example of what I mean. This was back in 1969 thought I would take you back a couple of years.
                            I was walking on a sidewalk just north of downtown dallas, tx. I saw a guy walking toward me. I remember he was wearing sunglasses the point on the sidewalk we were to pass by each other a man was raking his yard only a couple of feet away. As soon as the sunglasses guy was to pass by me, he started attacking me instead. I screamed for help and looked over at the man raking his yard. He never looked toward us or tried to help me. I knew he was afraid. In the meanwhile, I kicked the guy who was assailing me. It broke his grip, then I ran for my life and got away.

                            Some I think are overcome by fear some are deadened (desensitized) and some do not want to get involved.

                            By becoming involved you showed great courage. Courage is a character trait from our Lord. It takes courage to stand up for those less fortunate. And to be a good citizen. Courage is not the absence of fear. It is taking action in the face of fear.

                            Thank you for helping that person I know it was a stretch or a growth experience that was very hard. It sounds like it taught you how many truly act in such a situation. Our hope is in the Lord and Him growning us up in strength of character so others will help and be helped. And some by it will be saved in Christ.
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                            • #15
                              Thank you all for your replies. Everything I read has given me a little more understanding on this isssue.

                              ProjectPeter, what you said about the flesh, that makes sense to me. And BrotherMark, what you said really set the bells off... thank you so much! Seeing this as the way of the world in the end-times brings it into perspective for me, and that is what I was searching for... ( I think... ) something that made some kind of sense out of all this.

                              It traumatized me when it happened, and I`m traumatized now, thinking about it again. I have been at such a loss here, I have really struggled with this, trying to understand why people are the way they are, in circumstances like these... trying to figure out what in the world has happened to people, and why they are so cold...

                              And I know that racism is always an issue nowadays, and maybe that is part of what has me so undone, here. I could easily believe that if the victim was white, that the others would have turned their backs, but to know that people would not step forward to help even their own "brother", is a lot more than I could even begin to understand...

                              But the end-times concept makes it all fit perfectly. I just never thought of this kind of behavior being a part of the way of the world in the last days, until now. And the Bible says this is only the beginning of sorrows...

                              Befaithful, thank you for your post, but what I should do or not do didn`t even seem to be an issue... I didn`t feel a bit courageous, and being a Good Samaritan was the last thing that crossed my mind! I couldn`t even think to pray as I should have, while it was all happening... and I don`t know what I would have done if he had not walked back toward his car, which I was standing near... so I just reacted mostly without thinking about it... I know that I was scared to death that he was going to bleed to death before the ambulance got there... there was so much blood...literally running up out of his tennis shoes and onto the sidewalk...

                              But I did pray much, later, and in the days and weeks following, and I hope I was not wrong in this - I prayed many times that God was with him through what had happened, and that he had experienced the Presence and the true love of the Lord, in this time of his desperate need, through this white woman stranger`s hands... I was rather late in praying this way, but I like to think that God WAS with him, there and later.

                              I can see, now, that I was in a potentially explosive, very dangerous situation, in any number of ways, and I still don`t know what to think about that part of it, regarding my own actions. God protected me, for sure, even though I was too stunned to ask for it at the time - as I said, nobody moved, when the ambulance and bus came, no one was any nearer to us than when it all started. And it never crossed my mind, the thought of whether to help him or not...

                              I do know this much. If I could do it over, I would do it the same way again...
                              Last edited by menJesus; Mar 11th 2008, 11:23 AM. Reason: added to post
                              Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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