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    Hey all, I'm new to this board and am a relatively new Christian (accepted Christ back in November) who (unfortunately) also suffers from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which took on a troubling form, Scrupulosity . Lately I have been troubled about the unpardonable sin in Matthew 12 and Mark 3, after learning about such a thing, my mind began to be assaulted by thoughts that were dangerously similar to what the Pharisees had said about Jesus, and they didn't seem to want to go away either, no matter how hard I tried, they just came back, and I had a few slip of the tongue moments where I thought I said something dangerously similar. The last month and a half has been a very stressful and at times terrifying experience that landed me in an emergency psych ward. I've been taking medication now for a little over 2 weeks and it's helping somewhat, but the unwanted blasphemous thoughts/images relating to the unpardonable sin still remain, and just today, under my breath, I uttered something that when I realized it was similar to what the Pharisees had said, it immediately terrified me, it was accidental and not intentional, and I promptly asked God for forgiveness of any wrongdoing I may have committed but felt so depressed afterward, I still feel empty and the unwanted thoughts still come to mind, has God given me over to a reprobate mind/heart, I know deep down in my heart that Jesus was ministering under the power of the Holy Spirit, yet I can't seem to get my OCD mind off of the unpardonable sin. I worry that because my mind latched onto this unfairly that I might be damned. Am I doomed? They say that if you think you might have committed it and then repent, it means you haven't done it, but how would I know? Over the last month and a half I've been dreading what the eternal future holds, I feel as if I've betrayed Jesus and will be thrown to the dogs of hell when I die . I hate having Scrupulosity/OCD .

    PS, please don't condemn me, I've been through alot and hope/pray that God won't hold it against me that my mind is troubled, my heart is in the right place, but my mind is tortured. I just don't know anymore. I feel so depressed and alone and that is never a good feeling.
    USSA-The United Socialist States of America

    Without Jesus, eternity is a living Hell, literally.

  • #2
    PS, please don't condemn me, I've been through alot and hope/pray that God won't hold it against me that my mind is troubled, my heart is in the right place, but my mind is tortured. I just don't know anymore. I feel so depressed and alone and that is never a good feeling.[/quote]


    I'm sure I speak for EVERYONE when I say that you'll receive NO condemnation here !!!!!!!
    What you need most is to know that the Lord doesn't want you to be condemning yourself. It is obviously sending you down a path that is not healthy for your spirit. I suggest that you pray that the Lord open your eyes to how valuable you are, to Him. That you feel in your soul how well-loved you are, and that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that NONE of us are perfect people. We're all broken, just as you are, and are works in progress.
    Please continue with your medication, and I will be praying that you see wonderful results from it. Look at all we have, and all we are, through the Lord !!
    • I am born again…through the living and enduring word of God. (1 Peter 1:23)
    • I am a child of God. (John 1:12)
    • I am saved by grace through faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
    • I am loved by God and He gave his one and only Son for me. (John 3:16)
    • I am a new creation in Christ; the old has gone and the new has come! (2 Corinthians 5:17)
    • I have peace with God. (Romans 5:1)
    • The Holy Spirit lives in me. (1 Corinthians 3:16)
    • I have access to God's wisdom. (James 1:5)
    • I am helped by God. (Hebrews 4:16)
    • I am reconciled to God. (Romans 5:11)
    • I am not condemned by God. (Romans 8:1)
    • I am justified. (Romans 5:1)
    • I have Christ's righteousness. (Romans 5:19; 2 Corinthians 5:21)
    • I am Christ's ambassador. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
    • I am completely forgiven. (Colossians 1:14)
    • I am tenderly loved by God. (Jeremiah 31:3)
    • I am the sweet fragrance of Christ to God. (2 Corinthians 2:15)
    • I am a temple in which God dwells. (1 Corinthians 3:16)
    • I am blameless and beyond reproach. (Colossians 1:22)
    • I am the salt of the earth. (Matthew 5:13)
    • I am the light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)
    • I am a branch on Christ's vine. (John 15:1,5)
    • I am Christ's friend. (John 15:5)
    • I am chosen by Christ to bear fruit. (John 15:16)
    • I am a joint heir with Christ, sharing His inheritance with Him. (Romans 8:17)
    • I am united to the Lord, one spirit with Him. (1 Corinthians 6:17)
    • I am a member of Christ's body. (1 Corinthians 12:27)
    • I am a saint. (Ephesians 1:1)
    • I am hidden with Christ in God. (Colossians 3:3)
    • I am chosen by God, holy and dearly loved. (Colossians 3:12)
    • I am a child of the light. (1 Thessalonians 5:5)
    • I am holy, and I share in God's heavenly calling. (Hebrews 3:1)
    • I am sanctified. (Hebrews 2:11)
    • I am one of God's living stones, being built up in Christ as a spiritual house. (1 Peter 2:5)
    • I am a member of a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession and created to sing His praises. (1 Peter 2:9-10)
    • I am firmly rooted and built up in Christ. (Colossians 2:7)
    • I am born of God, and the evil one cannot touch me. (1 John 5:18)
    • I have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:16)
    • I may approach God with boldness, freedom, and confidence. (Ephesians 3:12)
    • I have been rescued from Satan's domain and transferred into the kingdom of Christ. (Colossians 1:13)
    • I have been made complete in Christ. (Colossians 2:10)
    • I have been given a spirit of power, love, and self-discipline. (2 Timothy 1:7)
    • I have been given great and precious promises by God. (2 Peter 1:4)
    • My needs are met by God. (Philippians 4:19)
    • I am a prince (princess) in God's kingdom. (John 1:12; 1 Timothy 6:15)
    • I have been bought with a price, and I belong to God. (1 Corinthians 6:19,20)
    • I have been adopted as God's child. (Ephesians 1:5)
    • I have direct access to God through the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 2:18)
    • I am assured that all things are working together for good. (Romans 8:28)
    • I am free from any condemning charges against me. (Romans 8:31f)
    • I cannot be separated from the love of God. (Romans 8:35f)
    • I have been established, anointed, and sealed by God. (2 Corinthians 1:21,22)
    • I am confident that the good work that God has begun in me will be perfected. (Philippians 1:6)
    • I am a citizen of heaven. (Philippians 3:20)
    • I am a personal witness of Christ's. (Acts 1:8)
    • I am God's coworker. (2 Corinthians 6:1, 1 Corinthians 3:9)
    • I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realm. (Ephesians 2:6)
    • I am God's workmanship. (Ephesians 2:10)
    • I can do all things through Christ, who gives me the strength I need. (Philippians 4:13)

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    • #3
      It seems to me like the devil is coming at you through the area in which you are most vulnerable right now - your illness.

      God knows the very thoughts and intents of our hearts. God will not judge you, nor condemn you to hell, for something that you truly cannot stop doing.

      That being said, I will pray for you, and let others counsel you further.
      Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
        Hey all, I'm new to this board and am a relatively new Christian (accepted Christ back in November) who (unfortunately) also suffers from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which took on a troubling form, Scrupulosity . ... I feel so depressed and alone and that is never a good feeling.
        Hi PaleGlow,

        Welcome to the board. I am sorry to hear of your suffering, but delighted that you have turned to the Lord. You are heading in the right direction.

        First let me state that if you worry about the unpardonable sin, you've not done it. Random thoughts running through your mind do not count as the unpardonable sin. The unpardonable sin is an on-going mindset and hatred of God.

        Second let me encourage you to get some balance going in your life. If you are on meds, stay in close contact with your doctor about any changes that you experience, so that your meds can be modified and adjusted as necessary.

        Keep a healthy balanced diet, a healthy balance between exercise and rest, and a healthy balance between pursuing your spiritual walk and just having fun doing something light-hearted and happy.

        You are in my prayers as you walk through this place. May the Lord grant you His peace. And especially, may He grant you a sense of balance and equiibrium in all things.
        Blessings,

        Road Warrior


        Proverbs 4:23
        23 Guard your heart above all else,
        for it determines the course of your life.

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        • #5
          Hi MPG,

          No, you are not doomed. I can say this with confidence because you know in your heart that Jesus' works were done by the Holy Spirit. Those intrusive thoughts are just that -- unwelcome intrusions.

          You are in my prayers. I would encourage you to pray over and meditate on this passage:

          Rom 8:31-39

          What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

          "For Your sake we are killed all day long;
          We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

          37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing , shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
          NKJV
          Love In Christ,
          Tanya






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          • #6
            THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REASSURING ME!!!!!!

            All today I was pretty much a wreck based on this one point alone:

            Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
            just today, under my breath, I uttered something that when I realized it was similar to what the Pharisees had said, it immediately terrified me, it was accidental and not intentional
            My mind kinda wandered and one of those thoughts went through my mind and unfortunately I uttered it to myself, and let's just say it shocked me back to reality PRONTO . I pray that God will be with me as I undergo treatment for my anxiety, the reassurances I've received have given me a little peace of mind, at least for the moment. I pray that it will last , unfortunately for an OCD sufferer, it isn't easy to convince me that I haven't committed it, I guess I was just being delusional all this time then. Just like Satan is my enemy, my own OCD mind is also my own worst enemy, and it's torture when your mind and heart are fighting one another . Sometimes when I prayed I would have a soothing thought go through my mind telling me that the mind and heart often work against one another, I knew that had to be God talking. Let's just say that I can't wait to finally put this nightmare behind me once and for all. All today I was uttering to myself as the unwanted blasphemy went through my head "The Holy Spirit isn't evil," and "Jesus' works were of the Holy Spirit." I can't help that I'm a little off my rocker, but God Almighty must have had a plan for me if he made me with OCD, and I certainly ain't one to question a work of the almighty . It just isn't fun suffering from it when it takes on a faith-based form (Scrupulosity).
            USSA-The United Socialist States of America

            Without Jesus, eternity is a living Hell, literally.

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            • #7
              RoadWarrior nailed it. Anyone who commits the unforgivable sin wouldn't be bothered in the least that they had committed it.

              I think this verse freaks out a lot of newer Christians, I know it did me.

              Here's more on the subject from a few weeks back...

              http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...97#post1531497

              now stop doing this

              and get back to this
              and you will soon be doing this and this and maybe even some of this !!!

              Because you and Jesus will be like this

              peace
              As thy days, so shall thy strength be - Deuteronomy 33:25

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post

                PS, please don't condemn me, I've been through alot and hope/pray that God won't hold it against me that my mind is troubled, my heart is in the right place, but my mind is tortured. I just don't know anymore. I feel so depressed and alone and that is never a good feeling.
                If you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable sin, then you haven't. Rejecting the Holy Spirit's call for salvation is the unpardonable sin (Luke 12), which you have not done.

                God knows where you are in your struggle. He forgave you of ALL your sins (past, present, future) when you called on Him to save you. You never have to go to hell because of what Christ did, and your acceptance of that gift. Don't let this be a constant worry for you. You belong to God now and nothing can separate you from Christ.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                  If you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable sin, then you haven't. Rejecting the Holy Spirit's call for salvation is the unpardonable sin (Luke 12), which you have not done.

                  God knows where you are in your struggle. He forgave you of ALL your sins (past, present, future) when you called on Him to save you. You never have to go to hell because of what Christ did, and your acceptance of that gift. Don't let this be a constant worry for you. You belong to God now and nothing can separate you from Christ.
                  I agree, and would add this:

                  Blasphemy is an attitude of the heart, and a rejection of God by an act of will..

                  God's grace is sufficient...That is to say that you have been bought by the blood of Christ, and have received that self-same Holy Spirit...He dwells within you.

                  Therefore, having the attitude of heart which resulted in embracing Christ as your savior (cf Romans 10:9-10), and (obviously) not having rejected God's offer of salvation through Him...You have not, nor can you Blaspheme Him.

                  A couple of scriptures for you to ponder:

                  2 Corinthians 5:17, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 8: 35-39, 1 John 1:8-9

                  Take heart! You belong to Jesus Christ, and He won't let you go!
                  Ιησούς Χριστός ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου



                  ****When the Lord opens a door, don't walk through it....run full speed; if it's the wrong one He'll let ya know...sometimes He just wants to see if you'll move at all!****


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                  • #10
                    Good counsel here.

                    Hi MidnightsPaleGlow, Welcome to the forum!

                    Wow, I just read this thread and I see that you have received some excellent counsel on this thread so far. You have shared here that you have professional help and medication and I hope you will continue in therapy. I can see from what you shared that your anxiety and scruples are very real.

                    God knows how the problem effects you and your thinking processes. Most of all, I believe God knows that your heart is His.


                    Beyond what many have said here I would encourage you to take some time to meditate on God's word...focusing on edifying scriptures. You could start by using the great list shared in pursuetruth's post here on this thread. Not to just read once but to read more than once and after each passage pray and ask for God's grace and understanding; that you can, indeed, have peace and put on the mind of Christ.

                    As you focus on scriptures trust God to heal and give grace and strength..it may be a gradual process and sometimes it can be suddenly in little ways.

                    God's banner over you is love.

                    I am praying for you.

                    Peace,

                    In the Name of Jesus,

                    owl
                    "The flowers appear on the earth,
                    the time of singing has come,
                    and the voice of the turtledove
                    is heard in our land
                    ." SofS 2:12 (RSV)

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                    • #11
                      I have to agree with everyone here - if you're worried about it, then you haven't committed it.

                      Let me give you this verse as a promise you can hold on to that will help you in the future with your fear:

                      1JN 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

                      Jesus is the perfect love - and if we hang on to Him - His perfect love will help us get rid of our fear. Read the Bible, pray to Him, sing Him praises - doing all of these will help get rid of that fear!!
                      "He comforts us in all our trouble, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in every trouble, through the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." 2 Cor 1:4

                      "forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead," Phil 3:13


                      "For our citizenship is in heaven, ..." Phil 3:20

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the words of encouragement everyone, the thoughts are still popping up time to time, but it seems to be happening less and less, I don't know why but I still feel hurt deep down about this I just hope and pray that God will forgive me, I've been acting very irrational lately, even today, I still felt depressed about this. Something tells me its going to be awhile before I put this ordeal away forever.
                        USSA-The United Socialist States of America

                        Without Jesus, eternity is a living Hell, literally.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
                          I don't know why but I still feel hurt deep down about this I just hope and pray that God will forgive me
                          He already has!
                          As thy days, so shall thy strength be - Deuteronomy 33:25

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gulah Papyrus View Post
                            He already has!
                            Right! He HAS already done this. Accept His gift of forgiveness. Begin to see yourself the way God sees you. For this go back and reread post #2. Wonderful stuff there - messages God wants you to hear, learn. (Welcome to the forum!)
                            "Gripped in the Hand of God"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
                              Thanks for the words of encouragement everyone, the thoughts are still popping up time to time, but it seems to be happening less and less, I don't know why but I still feel hurt deep down about this I just hope and pray that God will forgive me, I've been acting very irrational lately, even today, I still felt depressed about this. Something tells me its going to be awhile before I put this ordeal away forever.
                              You are the best one to observe yourself and recognize when things start going in the wrong direction. When you do see that in yourself, it is good to call your doctor, in case your meds need to be adjusted.

                              You already have God's forgiveness, and you also have His Holy Spirit to guide you as you grow in your relationship with Him, and in your ability to maintain your health. He loves you just as you are, you don't have to change to please Him. The changes you need to make in your life are about helping you to be more healthy, on your side of the relationship. As you focus on His love for you, you will be encouraged in your faith.
                              Blessings,

                              Road Warrior


                              Proverbs 4:23
                              23 Guard your heart above all else,
                              for it determines the course of your life.

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