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    In a ground breaking move Pope Benedict XVI has approved the setting up of a permanent Catholic-Muslim Forum - the first of its kind - which is to hold its inaugural summit meeting in the Vatican in November.
    The historic move follows three days of talks in Rome between Vatican officials and a Muslim delegation representing 138 Muslim scholars who last year wrote an open letter to the Pope and other Christian leaders calling for dialogue, a move inspired by Prince Ghazi bin Muhammed bin Talal of Jordan.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3494863.ece

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  • #2
    Mmmm... what does this all mean???
    Last edited by menJesus; Mar 16th 2008, 06:57 PM. Reason: added smilie
    Romans 15:30 KJV 30Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

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    • #3
      Originally posted by menJesus View Post
      Mmmm... what does this all mean???

      It means the continuence of the RCC tactic whereby if they can not defeat them then bring them into the fold under the Popes influence and control and weaken them until they are changed and their aims destroyed.

      All anti-christs agree that Jesus is the Christ and that He did come in the flesh, but not as He really was in the flesh but as some other to what He really was and is.

      Thus they show themselves to be an example of what Christ was in the flesh, when He was nothing like what they portray Him as.

      Read 1John in that light.

      The RCC is the modern equivalent of Moab of the OT ( a people through the uncircumcised flesh of a believer, originally Lot )

      All anti-christ and false Christs come into the world by that route, and deceive people of wavering heart who do not lay down their entire life to Christ AFTER being called by God to do so. 2 Peter ch 2.

      Even those who do not turn back from entire sanctification often display something of anti-christ along the way before repenting and moving on, and the experience brings one down low when one comes to the full knowledge of it in oneself, as all men are from the same Adamic flesh.

      Read Numbers chapter 25 and before.


      Mat 24:4 And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray.
      Mat 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ. And they will cause many to be led astray.

      Men have stated that anti-christ can not confess that Jesus is the Christ and has come in the flesh.

      What a deception that is.

      The Spirit of the anti-christ confesses another life than that of Christ through its subjects, but can say anything with their mouth that a submissive believer can say.---

      How did Jesus recognise the difference between the false and the true--

      Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
      Joh 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,Joh 2:25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.


      Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.


      The RCC and like groups cannot defeat the movement of God by force so they have learnt to subvert it, bring it under their control, by deceiving its subjects before they grow strong.

      Islam of course is not a movement of God so they will be easy to deceive and come under the chief anti-christ in the world who serve the beast of the west, however many a true believer today is entangled in that.--



      Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

      I must add that when deception of Gods people fails then they will go back to the old method, (and fail)

      Merton.
      One can know a lot about the Bible and still not live righteously. Mat ch 23.

      A little knowledge lived rightly is better that much knowledge lived wrongly.

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      • #4
        I think its a good idea by the Pope, i heard a muslim speak the other day, and if you didn't know he was a muslim you would have assumed he was a chrsitian.

        I am positive there are countless muslims who are more zealous for God and are more charitable than a lot of their hypocritical christian counterparts.

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        • #5
          This can come to no good at all.

          A follow up conference is to be held in a Muslim country yet to be decided, according to Ali Aref Nayed, director of the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Centre in Amman. He said the response to the Group of 138's call for dialogue had been "incredibly positive". The aim was to "return to the roots of faith and what we have in common".
          Theologically, Christianity and Islam have nothing in common. They are about as opposite as they could possibly be.

          He appealed for the release of Chaldean Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho, who was kidnapped last week in Iraq, declaring: "We take this opportunity to remind our fellow Muslims that it is against the Prophet's teaching to even touch religious leaders and monks and priests. Religious leaders and religious symbols must be respected."
          All of this is so horribly wrong and false. It is not at all against Muhammad’s teachings to respect leaders of other religions. Religious leaders and symbols contrary to Islam are to be destroyed. So say Allah. Christians and Jews are cursed by Allah. And by the way, the Archbishop was murdered.
          In Christ,

          -- Rev

          “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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          • #6
            There was even a Muslim version of the Jesus film produced:

            In this film Jesus was a prophet and was not crucified.

            http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith...sus/index.html

            my God; in Him I will trust (Psa 91:2).

            If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, NOW is the time.

            Persevere, pray and be ready for the Return of Christ.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jerome1 View Post
              I think its a good idea by the Pope, i heard a muslim speak the other day, and if you didn't know he was a muslim you would have assumed he was a chrsitian.

              I am positive there are countless muslims who are more zealous for God and are more charitable than a lot of their hypocritical christian counterparts.
              They are more zealous for their god, perhaps. Which is a failing of Western Christianity (among many other failings). But to bring in the hypocritical Christian is being overly demeaning of Christianity--it's unnecessary.

              Originally posted by Roelof View Post
              There was even a Muslim version of the Jesus film produced:

              In this film Jesus was a prophet and was not crucified.
              Muslims hold Jesus in a very high regard, for how they view him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Roelof View Post
                There was even a Muslim version of the Jesus film produced:

                In this film Jesus was a prophet and was not crucified.

                http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith...sus/index.html
                A "Muhammad Film" would have to be rated R for graphic violence and sexual themes.
                In Christ,

                -- Rev

                “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                  Muslims hold Jesus in a very high regard, for how they view him.
                  High regard? They tell a different story about Him... so they make Him out to be a liar.
                  Thus says YHWH, "Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls.
                  -Jeremiah 6:16

                  Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. - Matthew 11:29

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                  • #10
                    What Xel'Naga says is correct. But it is very important to understand the Islamic Jesus is NOT Jesus. In the Muslim end-times, their Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and kill the Jews.
                    In Christ,

                    -- Rev

                    “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by diffangle View Post
                      High regard? They tell a different story about Him... so they make Him out to be a liar.
                      Muslims believe the New Testament is corrupted; a hoax. Jesus was not the Son of God, did not die on the cross, did not say or do any of the things we believe he said or did. Jesus was a Muslim who actually prophesied the coming of Muhammad. In their view, it is not Jesus who was the liar, but the Christians who fabricated a false New Testament about him.
                      In Christ,

                      -- Rev

                      “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Revolvr View Post
                        In the Muslim end-times, their Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and kill the Jews.
                        Revolvr

                        Can you please give us more information?

                        my God; in Him I will trust (Psa 91:2).

                        If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, NOW is the time.

                        Persevere, pray and be ready for the Return of Christ.

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE]
                          Originally posted by Revolvr View Post
                          Muslims believe the New Testament is corrupted; a hoax. Jesus was not the Son of God, did not die on the cross, did not say or do any of the things we believe he said or did.
                          I know... sad.


                          Jesus was a Muslim who actually prophesied the coming of Muhammad. In their view, it is not Jesus who was the liar, but the Christians who fabricated a false New Testament about him.
                          Considering that there was no such thing as a Muslim until 600 years after Messiah walked the earth, makes sense that they would "claim" to know the truth over the disciples who knew Him up close and personal during His earthly mission.
                          Thus says YHWH, "Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls.
                          -Jeremiah 6:16

                          Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. - Matthew 11:29

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roelof View Post
                            Revolvr

                            Can you please give us more information?
                            Islamic tradition teaches that because Jesus will declare himself to be a Muslim, he will lead many Christians to convert to Islam. Regarding those who do not convert to Islam, the Quran states that Jesus will be a witness against them on the Day of Judgment:
                            There is not one of the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them. (Surah 4:159)
                            It is crucial to understand that according to Islamic tradition and belief, when Jesus returns, he does not merely come to convert most Christians to Islam but to literally abolish Christianity entirely. This fact is understood when we analyze a very well-known, and oft-quoted tradition that refers to four specific things that Jesus will do when he returns. Jesus is said to:
                            1. Break crosses (meaning destroy Christianity)
                            2. Kill all swine (meaning the Jews of course).
                            3. Abolish the jizyah tax (a Muslim tax on non-Muslims)
                            4. Kill the Muslim Antichrist and his followers.
                            The Prophet said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus. He will descent (sic) (to the earth)… He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam.

                            Abolishing jizyah is important. This tax is on non-Muslims. It is abolished because there are no more non-Muslims, either by death or conversion.

                            The Muslim Jesus is equivalent to the Christian False Prophet.
                            In Christ,

                            -- Rev

                            “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by diffangle View Post
                              Considering that there was no such thing as a Muslim until 600 years after Messiah walked the earth, makes sense that they would "claim" to know the truth over the disciples who knew Him up close and personal during His earthly mission.
                              Not to throw a wrench in the whole works... but Orthodox Jews think the same thing of Christians as we do about Muslisms. That after hundreds (and in this case thousands), a group of people appear claiming to know God's revelation in a more accurate (but mutually exclusive!) manner.

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