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  • A Revelation of the Trinity

    Want to hear a revelation that I received?

    Once I almost joined the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses), a cult that denies the sovereignty of Jesus Christ and forbids it followers to ever believe that God is three-in-one. How did I get to that point?? Well, I delved into the Watchtower teachings, by visiting their web site. Oh how convincing their teachings sounded! That night, upon dabbling into all that material, I went to bed with a feeling that I may have been wrong after all these years of believing in a three-in-one God. "Wow", I thought to myself, "it seems so true that the Trinitarian doctrine came from the pagans." That was when I thought about becoming a Jehovah's Witness. With all that in mind, I could hardly sleep. Utterly confused was I. Was I wrong after all these years? Or am I right and am I being deceived by the devil?

    At that point, the only thing I could do was pray before taking such a big step. So, I cried out the Jehovah God (the One who created the universe and brought His people out of Egypt). I said, "Jehovah God, I am so confused. I don't know what to believe now. Please tell me how is it even possible that Jesus is God, yet He is the Son of God. Is the Trinity doctrine really pagan?"
    I stood still and heard Jehovah God speaking to my heart.


    He told me this: "Am I not all-powerful that I can exist in any form I wish? I created the universe, so nothing is scientifically or spiritually impossible for Me. I can have a Son, and be the same Person as Him. You, as a human being, can only be yourself. Your children can only be themselves. I, on the other hand, can have a thousand sons and be all of them, at the same time. Remember when Satan was once my high-ranking archangel Lucifer. He knew Me very well. When he was cast down from Heaven, he created his own trinity gods in an attempt to replace Me. He has even created his own messiahs, so that they would divert people's attention from Me. Be very careful, Satan is highly deceitful. Even some of the most well-educated Christians are deceived into believing that I am not a triune God. Satan has deceived most Jewish people into believing that same lie about Me, as a way of keeping them from knowing Jesus as the Messiah. The few Jewish people that have followed Me also knew that Jesus and I are the same God, though two distinct Persons. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is also Me. I have been grieved by such a disbelief that My Spirit is more than a force. A force does not have feelings. You and I do. So, do not stray from the truth that I have shown you."

    Wow! That was a revelation! With that, I found peace and reassurance. Before I knew it, I was sound asleep, like Adam. Of course, Jehovah God (the Holy Trinity) didn't remove any of my ribs, no matter how soundly I slept. Now, here I am sharing this revelation with as many people as I possible can.

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    I am so pleased for you. I always explained to my children like this: with an egg you have the yolk, the white and the shell. You have 3 parts to the egg but no matter how you try to work it you still only have one egg. The yolk feeds the baby chick in the egg equaling the Holy Spirit feeding us in Christ. The white protects the chick equaling Jesus using angels and miracles to protect us and the shell keeps it all together equaling the Father planning and bringing to fulfillment everything He says. They could understand this idea better then.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nyoka View Post
      I am so pleased for you. I always explained to my children like this: with an egg you have the yolk, the white and the shell. You have 3 parts to the egg but no matter how you try to work it you still only have one egg. The yolk feeds the baby chick in the egg equaling the Holy Spirit feeding us in Christ. The white protects the chick equaling Jesus using angels and miracles to protect us and the shell keeps it all together equaling the Father planning and bringing to fulfillment everything He says. They could understand this idea better then.
      Wow! That's a good analogy. Thank you for that.
      Last edited by OscarAnthony; May 3rd 2008, 02:57 AM. Reason: to make the response short and sweet

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      • #4
        NYOKA - That is a most excellent analogy and this is what I will teach my grandchildren who are now 4 and 6.

        Lynn

        "Whatever you did to the least of these, you did to Me."
        Matthew 25:40
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        "Whatever you did for the least of these,
        you did for Me."
        Matthew 25:40

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OscarAnthony View Post
          Want to hear a revelation that I received?
          A beautiful revelation

          my God; in Him I will trust (Psa 91:2).

          If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, NOW is the time.

          Persevere, pray and be ready for the Return of Christ.

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          • #6
            Thank you! Can I ask you to pray for a young JW that I'm getting an opportunity to witness to at the local shop? Also, could you pray that when he comes round with an "elder" that I still get to speak the truth of God to them?

            Various doctrines that I know they have wrong (I've been looking into this.)

            I've discovered that every time anyone worships Jesus in the NT they mistranslate it "do obeisance to." The original word does not mean just "kneel", it means worship. Jesus never tells anyone off for worshipping Him. Why would He? He is God.

            So they can only say that Jesus doesn't accept worship by mistranslation.

            There are the seven "I AM" statements of Jesus in John... and He says, "fear not, I am" in the original Greek when He's walking across the water.

            If He is the "I AM" of Moses, then He's God.

            Stephen, the first martyr, prays TO JESUS, in similar language to that used by Jesus when He prayed to God on the cross. If Stephen prayed to Jesus, then either Stephen was an idolator, or Jesus is God. The JW's mistranslate this passage to, as though Stephen was just talking to Jesus... but the original is clear.

            John says in his gospel, "through Him all things were made, nothing was made without Him." In that case, who made Jesus, if He was a created being? NOTHING was made but through Jesus, EVERYTHING that exists was created by Jesus. Unless Jesus is God, then this passage makes no sense, because how could a non created being create itself?

            So... Jesus is God.

            Another thing... they say that the Holy Spirit is just a force, like electricity. How can you grieve an impersonal force? It wouldn't have feelings... you couldn't grieve it.

            And now, here's something that I'm looking forward to sharing with the JW's tomorrow (pray it goes okay!)

            They say that Jesus was killed on a stake, not a cross.

            How many nails would be needed to pierce the wrists if someone was crucified with their arms above their head, as the JW's say happened to Jesus? One nail.

            In that case, why does Thomas say, "until I see the marks of the NAILS in his hands..." He uses the plural "nails" twice, which implies that Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a stake. In fact, it's one hundred percent conclusive. But the JW's haven't picked up on it, as far as I can tell, and they haven't edited the plural "nails" out of their own scripture.

            This is important because they have made a great deal of doctrine out of how Christians "worship" a pagan image in the cross.

            And we can clearly demonstrate from scripture that this isn't true.
            Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.

            My testimony http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthr...ight=testimony

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            • #7
              Mathhew 26: 2 <3588> <3588> Ye know <1492> that <3754> after <3326> two <1417> days <2250> is <1096> the feast of the passover <3957> , and <2532> the Son <3588 strong:G5207> of man <3588 strong:G444> is betrayed <3860> to <1519> be crucified <4717>

              4717 stauroo stow-ro'-o


              from 4716; to impale on the cross; figuratively, to extinguish
              (subdue) passion or selfishness:--crucify.
              see GREEK for 4716

              4716 stauros stow-ros'


              from the base of 2476; a stake or post (as set upright), i.e.
              (specially), a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment);
              figuratively, exposure to death, i.e. self-denial; by implication, the
              atonement of Christ:--cross.
              see GREEK for 2476

              Definition from " http://net.bible.org/strong.php?id=4716 "

              1) a cross
              1a) a well known instrument of most cruel and ignominious
              punishment, borrowed by the Greeks and Romans from the
              Phoenicians; to it were affixed among the Romans, down to the
              time of Constantine the Great, the guiltiest criminals,
              particularly the basest slaves, robbers, the authors and
              abetters of insurrections, and occasionally in the provinces,
              at the arbitrary pleasure of the governors, upright and
              peaceable men also, and even Roman citizens themselves
              1b) the crucifixion which Christ underwent
              2 an upright "stake", esp. a pointed one, used as such in fences or
              palisades from the base of 2476; a stake or post (as set upright), i.e.
              (specially), a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment);
              figuratively, exposure to death, i.e. self-denial; by implication, the
              atonement of Christ:-cross.
              see GREEK for 2476
              ShalomUit
              Chal
              <*,})+<


              Ecclesia Reformata, Semper Reformanda: The church reformed and always to be reformed

              Truth may be stranger than fiction, but fiction is surely stranger than truth "may be." Maybe? -chal's Third (and final!) Big Book of Little Known Thingies that Could (in fact) Become Facts (or faxed) One Day.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by daughter View Post
                Thank you! Can I ask you to pray for a young JW that I'm getting an opportunity to witness to at the local shop? Also, could you pray that when he comes round with an "elder" that I still get to speak the truth of God to them?

                Various doctrines that I know they have wrong (I've been looking into this.)

                I've discovered that every time anyone worships Jesus in the NT they mistranslate it "do obeisance to." The original word does not mean just "kneel", it means worship. Jesus never tells anyone off for worshipping Him. Why would He? He is God.

                So they can only say that Jesus doesn't accept worship by mistranslation.

                There are the seven "I AM" statements of Jesus in John... and He says, "fear not, I am" in the original Greek when He's walking across the water.

                If He is the "I AM" of Moses, then He's God.

                Stephen, the first martyr, prays TO JESUS, in similar language to that used by Jesus when He prayed to God on the cross. If Stephen prayed to Jesus, then either Stephen was an idolator, or Jesus is God. The JW's mistranslate this passage to, as though Stephen was just talking to Jesus... but the original is clear.

                John says in his gospel, "through Him all things were made, nothing was made without Him." In that case, who made Jesus, if He was a created being? NOTHING was made but through Jesus, EVERYTHING that exists was created by Jesus. Unless Jesus is God, then this passage makes no sense, because how could a non created being create itself?

                So... Jesus is God.

                Another thing... they say that the Holy Spirit is just a force, like electricity. How can you grieve an impersonal force? It wouldn't have feelings... you couldn't grieve it.

                And now, here's something that I'm looking forward to sharing with the JW's tomorrow (pray it goes okay!)

                They say that Jesus was killed on a stake, not a cross.

                How many nails would be needed to pierce the wrists if someone was crucified with their arms above their head, as the JW's say happened to Jesus? One nail.

                In that case, why does Thomas say, "until I see the marks of the NAILS in his hands..." He uses the plural "nails" twice, which implies that Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a stake. In fact, it's one hundred percent conclusive. But the JW's haven't picked up on it, as far as I can tell, and they haven't edited the plural "nails" out of their own scripture.

                This is important because they have made a great deal of doctrine out of how Christians "worship" a pagan image in the cross.

                And we can clearly demonstrate from scripture that this isn't true.
                Wow! That was some good doctrine you came up with. You really studied your stuff. How did it go, when you witnessed to the JW?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by daughter View Post
                  Thank you! Can I ask you to pray for a young JW that I'm getting an opportunity to witness to at the local shop? Also, could you pray that when he comes round with an "elder" that I still get to speak the truth of God to them?

                  Various doctrines that I know they have wrong (I've been looking into this.)

                  I've discovered that every time anyone worships Jesus in the NT they mistranslate it "do obeisance to." The original word does not mean just "kneel", it means worship. Jesus never tells anyone off for worshipping Him. Why would He? He is God.

                  So they can only say that Jesus doesn't accept worship by mistranslation.

                  There are the seven "I AM" statements of Jesus in John... and He says, "fear not, I am" in the original Greek when He's walking across the water.

                  If He is the "I AM" of Moses, then He's God.

                  Stephen, the first martyr, prays TO JESUS, in similar language to that used by Jesus when He prayed to God on the cross. If Stephen prayed to Jesus, then either Stephen was an idolator, or Jesus is God. The JW's mistranslate this passage to, as though Stephen was just talking to Jesus... but the original is clear.

                  John says in his gospel, "through Him all things were made, nothing was made without Him." In that case, who made Jesus, if He was a created being? NOTHING was made but through Jesus, EVERYTHING that exists was created by Jesus. Unless Jesus is God, then this passage makes no sense, because how could a non created being create itself?

                  So... Jesus is God.

                  Another thing... they say that the Holy Spirit is just a force, like electricity. How can you grieve an impersonal force? It wouldn't have feelings... you couldn't grieve it.

                  And now, here's something that I'm looking forward to sharing with the JW's tomorrow (pray it goes okay!)

                  They say that Jesus was killed on a stake, not a cross.

                  How many nails would be needed to pierce the wrists if someone was crucified with their arms above their head, as the JW's say happened to Jesus? One nail.

                  In that case, why does Thomas say, "until I see the marks of the NAILS in his hands..." He uses the plural "nails" twice, which implies that Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a stake. In fact, it's one hundred percent conclusive. But the JW's haven't picked up on it, as far as I can tell, and they haven't edited the plural "nails" out of their own scripture.

                  This is important because they have made a great deal of doctrine out of how Christians "worship" a pagan image in the cross.

                  And we can clearly demonstrate from scripture that this isn't true.
                  Hi,

                  With all due respect, Jesus and the Father cannot be the same person manifested in different ways.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Butch5 View Post
                    Hi,

                    With all due respect, Jesus and the Father cannot be the same person manifested in different ways.
                    I responded to the other thread before I saw this one; but let me ask you a question if I may:

                    Do you believe the bible teaches that God exists simultaneously as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? (Just trying to see "where you're coming from" )
                    Ιησούς Χριστός ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου



                    ****When the Lord opens a door, don't walk through it....run full speed; if it's the wrong one He'll let ya know...sometimes He just wants to see if you'll move at all!****


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                    • #11
                      Three in One

                      God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three different personalities in the same godhead. Those personalities are distinct and yet they are all One God.



                      And nature reflects the Creator God in this tri-une essence as a three-fold personality. From the smallest thing we know of, the atom, which is made up of a neutron, proton, and electron, as a three-in-one entity to the largest thing we know about, the universe. It is also three-in-one; height - width -depth.

                      "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:20

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mcgyver View Post
                        I responded to the other thread before I saw this one; but let me ask you a question if I may:

                        Do you believe the bible teaches that God exists simultaneously as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? (Just trying to see "where you're coming from" )
                        Yes, that is what I believe.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Butch5 View Post
                          Yes, that is what I believe.
                          If what you are saying is 'Oneness' to the detriment of the Trinity, then you might want to re-review here and here before further posting on this.

                          Oneness isn't an allowed topic for advancement on this board.

                          If you aren't, then nevermind and have a nice day!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
                            If what you are saying is 'Oneness' to the detriment of the Trinity, then you might want to re-review here and here before further posting on this.

                            Oneness isn't an allowed topic for advancement on this board.

                            If you aren't, then nevermind and have a nice day!
                            I don't know "Oneness." I hold to the Nicene Creed.

                            The Nicene Creed

                            The Creed I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life; who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spake by the prophets. And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

                            Let me say, in this Creed, Catholicmeans Universal, NOT the Roman Catholic Chirch. It mean the univeral or the one church who's head is Christ
                            Last edited by Butch5; Jul 15th 2008, 02:21 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Butch5 View Post
                              Yes, that is what I believe.
                              I misunderstood what you meant, I hold to the Nicene Creed.

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