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  • What is the point of the Biblical resurrections?

    I was wondering. I do believe that when a person dies they either go to heaven or hell, but with that in mind, why would God resurrect someone on the day of judgment only to cast them back into hell. Or vice versa. Why would he judge someone who is in heaven only to send them back to heaven? This question has puzzled me for quite some time. I mean some people believe that when you die you don't go anywhere and just lay their unconcious and then thats why God has to resurrect them and judge them and then they are either cast down to hell or lifted up to heaven. Now that makes sense to me but it also makes sense to me that people go to heaven or hell immediately after death(Lazures and the rich man). So yeah for those of you who think that you go to heaven or hell upon death, then isn't God judging you at that very moment? So why would he bring you up out of hell, then judge you, only to cast you back into hell. Could it be that right now people are in Hades, and then they are cast into the more tormenting "lake of fire?" But i mean yeah i am looking for an explanation for this complex. Your thoughts please

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    Rev 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Yes, when we die we do either go to be with the Lord or we go to Hell. There is no in between or other options. It will either be Heaven or Hell. When this world has ran it's course there will be a judgement.

    The dead are brought forth for judgement before God. Those that's names are not found in the book of life will be cast into the "lake of fire" as you mentioned. This will be their second death.

    Those whose names are written in the Book can move to the next chapter in Rev where John describes what he saw in the new city

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    • #3
      yeah I see what the Bible says, i mean from that i take it that people are officially judged at a later time, then when they die.

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      • #4
        I would imagine so that those who have rejected God will meet the God they have rejected. Plus He doesn't judge those in heaven according to salvation but according to their works they have done in Christ. Only those in Christ can do works that are good. It will be for rewards.
        As sinners in a sense we have already been judged in Adam and the sentence was death.
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        • #5
          And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment, (Heb 9:27)

          my God; in Him I will trust (Psa 91:2).

          If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, NOW is the time.

          Persevere, pray and be ready for the Return of Christ.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Heeves23 View Post
            I was wondering. I do believe that when a person dies they either go to heaven or hell, but with that in mind, why would God resurrect someone on the day of judgment only to cast them back into hell. Or vice versa. Why would he judge someone who is in heaven only to send them back to heaven? This question has puzzled me for quite some time. I mean some people believe that when you die you don't go anywhere and just lay their unconcious and then thats why God has to resurrect them and judge them and then they are either cast down to hell or lifted up to heaven. Now that makes sense to me but it also makes sense to me that people go to heaven or hell immediately after death(Lazures and the rich man). So yeah for those of you who think that you go to heaven or hell upon death, then isn't God judging you at that very moment? So why would he bring you up out of hell, then judge you, only to cast you back into hell. Could it be that right now people are in Hades, and then they are cast into the more tormenting "lake of fire?" But i mean yeah i am looking for an explanation for this complex. Your thoughts please
            You are actually asking why there are 2 judgements. A metaphor perhaps can help. When the police suspects someone of a crime that person is imprisoned till the date of his/her (public!) trial.

            Ed

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Heeves23 View Post
              yeah I see what the Bible says, i mean from that i take it that people are officially judged at a later time, then when they die.
              Yes, souls are judged a final time on the great day of judgement in Rev 20.
              1Peter 3:15
              (BBE) But give honour to Christ in your hearts as your Lord; and be ready at any time when you are questioned about the hope which is in you, to give an answer in the fear of the Lord and without pride;

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              • #8
                Yeah I never thought about another reason for God to judge them is to meet the God that they rejected. It seems that could be another reason for it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Heeves23 View Post
                  Yeah I never thought about another reason for God to judge them is to meet the God that they rejected. It seems that could be another reason for it.
                  Well it will be essentially the first time they will actually see God the Father because you can't see him and live when human but on this day no one will be in the human body.
                  1Peter 3:15
                  (BBE) But give honour to Christ in your hearts as your Lord; and be ready at any time when you are questioned about the hope which is in you, to give an answer in the fear of the Lord and without pride;

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Heeves23 View Post
                    I was wondering. I do believe that when a person dies they either go to heaven or hell, but with that in mind, why would God resurrect someone on the day of judgment only to cast them back into hell. Or vice versa. Why would he judge someone who is in heaven only to send them back to heaven? This question has puzzled me for quite some time. I mean some people believe that when you die you don't go anywhere and just lay their unconcious and then thats why God has to resurrect them and judge them and then they are either cast down to hell or lifted up to heaven. Now that makes sense to me but it also makes sense to me that people go to heaven or hell immediately after death(Lazures and the rich man). So yeah for those of you who think that you go to heaven or hell upon death, then isn't God judging you at that very moment? So why would he bring you up out of hell, then judge you, only to cast you back into hell. Could it be that right now people are in Hades, and then they are cast into the more tormenting "lake of fire?" But i mean yeah i am looking for an explanation for this complex. Your thoughts please
                    Hi Heeves,

                    Man was created a triune being. He was created with a body. And the redemption of All things has been the promise. And the resurrection of the body is the conclusion of the promise to overcome death.

                    But in terms of the judgement, those dead apart from Christ also receive a resurrection, but it is to confirm they have received the fruit of sin to its fullest.

                    2Witnesses

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                    • #11
                      I would first like to point out that after the resurrection people do not go back to heaven, they dwell with God on the new earth.

                      Other then that there is another idea as to what happens when we die but most protestants don't like it so I will not talk about it. But I believe it solves most of the problems that you have come upon.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Uriel View Post
                        I would first like to point out that after the resurrection people do not go back to heaven, they dwell with God on the new earth.

                        Other then that there is another idea as to what happens when we die but most protestants don't like it so I will not talk about it. But I believe it solves most of the problems that you have come upon.
                        While you are pointing out where you feel we will be I would like to post where God said we would be.

                        1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Buck shot View Post
                          While you are pointing out where you feel we will be I would like to post where God said we would be.

                          1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
                          Revelation 21 - 22:6

                          1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

                          5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
                          6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
                          9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
                          15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17He measured its wall and it was 14 4 cubits thick, by man's measurement, which the angel was using. 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass. 22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

                          22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place."
                          We will be on the new earth after all is said and done.

                          The Thessalonians passage does not say that we will stay in the air with the Lord. What Paul is discribing there is what would happen when a judge or other offical would come into town. The people who liked the judge or offical would go out of the city to greet him and then follow him back into the town. We go up and meet Christ in the air but then we come back down to witness the Judgment of the living and the resurrected and are judged ourselves.

                          Why have a new earth and a new Jerusalem if everyone is just going to be in heaven? St John does not believe that people will be in heaven we will live in the New Jerusalem with God. He will finally come back to his city and his Temple and taken the place that he left so long ago.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Uriel View Post
                            Revelation 21 - 22:6

                            We will be on the new earth after all is said and done.

                            The Thessalonians passage does not say that we will stay in the air with the Lord. .

                            <H4>I'm not typing bold on purpose. Seems to be a glitch and the text won't unbold?

                            I do not disagree with you about the new earth being where we end up. What i don't agree with is that we do not go to heaven first.

                            Where do you think we will be when all of this is destroyed? Where do you think judgement will take place? Where do you think you will be during this thousand year reign? Surely you do not think that it has already happened or you will not die within the next 1,000 years.
                            Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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                            • #15
                              I always thought that we would be able to go between both heaven and the new earth. Because a new heaven is being created, so it makes sense that we would be able to go to it.

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