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  • The 7 churches and the 7 kingdom parables

    I just came from a web site where the guy compared the 7 churches in Rev 2 & 3 with the 7 kingdom parables in Matthew 13 and the 7 churches that Paul wrote to.

    Has anyone else done any research into this? What got me interested was some research I was doing into the parable of the mustard seed growing into a tree.
    Matt 9:13
    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
    NASU

  • #2
    Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I just came from a web site where the guy compared the 7 churches in Rev 2 & 3 with the 7 kingdom parables in Matthew 13 and the 7 churches that Paul wrote to.

    Was it done by Don Koenig?

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    • #3
      No. Chuck Missler. He gave just enough information to wet my appetite. I am encouraged by what I am seeing though. Just wondering if anyone else has done any studies.
      Matt 9:13
      13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
      NASU

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      • #4
        I believe Missler, like Koenig is following LaHaye. LaHaye did such a study as well. Point, they all did such a study. I've seen them.

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        • #5
          I picked up this teaching in 1985, when given some Missler tapes. I find it fairly convincing.

          Back then the tapes were distributed free by Firefighters For Christ. They were part of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Since then, and pre-Y2K , Missler moved to Idaho. Now he charges for his material.

          I heard him speak and met him here in Hilo a few years back; a good guy. But he is not always correct. I know only One Person Who is...
          Phl 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

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          • #6
            I have been researching Revelation 2 and 3 for some time now, but I have not read Chuck Missler work. Thanks for bringing up, but I can not see a correlation between those messages. Perhaps if I read his material I could understand where he is coming from. However, I too see similarities to the letters Paul wrote to his churches. Anyway I think it is a great topic!
            God Bless

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            • #7
              Ho! They're still around!

              http://firefighters.org/
              Phl 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

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              • #8
                Hey Mark,

                I like this particular study of Missler's. I think Missler's teachings should be handled with gloves on, i.e. much discernment.

                However, he has some gems and I think this teaching is one of them. I've listened to it several times. Very thought provoking.

                In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity. - Rupertus Meldenius

                Read your Bible and pray every single day. - Pastor Jon Courson

                If your grace ain't greasier than a bucket full of chitlin's and gravy, you might be a legalist - an internet friend.

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the sites and thoughts everyone. I would be interested in any of your deeper thoughts on the subject too.
                  Matt 9:13
                  13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                  NASU

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                  • #10
                    I don't have any deeper thoughts on the subject than Missler has. Another good Missler study . . . you might want to check out his Ruth study.

                    In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity. - Rupertus Meldenius

                    Read your Bible and pray every single day. - Pastor Jon Courson

                    If your grace ain't greasier than a bucket full of chitlin's and gravy, you might be a legalist - an internet friend.

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                    • #11
                      Ruth is one of my favorite all time books. It is RICH.

                      When you say be careful, what do you mean? Be careful of what?
                      Matt 9:13
                      13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                      NASU

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                      • #12
                        I was taught by a pastor when I was a teenager in a leadership class this concept:

                        The goal of the teacher: to communicate truth, not to impress your audience.

                        James 3:1 tells us . . .
                        Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

                        The Holy Bible : Today's New International Version.
                        2005 (Jas 3:1). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.
                        I've listened to hundreds of hours of Missler. He's a sensationalist. Missler constantly goes out of his way to stun the audience. He was a huge promoter of Y2K. He teaches the Bible Codes which I think is rubbish. He teaches one nutty idea after another, but also some great things alongside the nutty concepts.

                        For more about my thoughts on Missler, read this post from my blog. I never name Missler, but Missler is who I was talking about.

                        In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity. - Rupertus Meldenius

                        Read your Bible and pray every single day. - Pastor Jon Courson

                        If your grace ain't greasier than a bucket full of chitlin's and gravy, you might be a legalist - an internet friend.

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                        • #13
                          Something I just noticed about the seven letters in the Revelation was that John was writing to angels of the seven churches. Why would he be writing to the angels of the churches, invisible beings, rather than the churches themselves? Then I remembered that the Greek word angelos literally means just "messenger," and isn't always used in the Bible to refer to heavenly beings, but earthly ones too.

                          Seems to me that "To the angel of the church in _______" should be translated as "To the messenger of the church in _______" instead, referring to human messengers who work at those seven churches, rather than angels who the people wouldn't even be able to see to deliver the letters to.

                          Anyway, that's what I discovered recently about the seven letters of Revelation.
                          To This Day

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                          • #14
                            Maybe we should post one of the comparisons for others to see and comment about. Here is one from Michael Scheifler's Bible Light website.

                            The 7 Churches of Revelation
                            and
                            The 7 Kingdom Parables of Matthew 13

                            The letters to 7 churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are generally recognized to be symbolic of the chronological history of the Christian church from the time of the apostles to the second coming. This study outline proposes that the kingdom parables of Matthew 13 are also chronological in sequence, and are directly related to the 7 churches in Revelation, giving further insight. Note that when a symbol is defined in a parable, that definition applies consistently and universally to the other parables. It is also proposed that Paul's letters to churches likely apply to the 7 churches as well.

                            1. Ephesus ("desirable"), Rev 2:1-7 — The Apostolic church of the 1st century.
                            False Apostles teaching error (lies) enter the church Rev. 2:2
                            - Paul warns the elders of Ephesus in Acts 20:17, 29-30.}
                            - Liar (errors of the false Apostles) defined:
                            1 John 2:4 - Lawlessness (lasciviousness).
                            1 John 2:22 - Antichrist, deny Jesus is Christ (deny He came in the flesh, 1 John 4:1-3).
                            1 John 4:20 - Persecutes (1 John 3:12).
                            - Nicolaitanes (Rev 2:6, 9 Smyrna, 14-15 Pergamos) victory over the people, Nike (G3529) Laos (G2992).
                            Jude 4 - Lawlessness (lasciviousness), denying Jesus Christ.
                            Jude 11 - way of Cain (persecution), error of Balaam, usurpation/rebellion of Core (Korah - Num 16:1-3).
                            Jude 16-19 - speak blasphemy, ungodly lusts, lacking the Spirit.

                            ● Parable of the sower — Matt 13:3-23. Mark 4:3-8, 14-20. Luke 8:5-15.
                            Fowls/birds defined as Satan (Matt.13:4, 19 - Mark 4:4, 15 - Luke 8:5, 12).
                            ● Paul's epistle to the Ephesians.

                            2. Smyrna ("myrrh" or "sweet smelling"), Rev 2:8-11 — Persecuted by Ancient Pagan Rome. No criticism.
                            Apostasy, Synagogue of Satan - Say they are Jews but are not, blaspheme (Rev 2:9, 3:9 Philadelphia).

                            ● Parable of the wheat and the tares — Matt 13:24-30, 36-43.
                            Field defined as the world (v. 38).
                            Tares are the wicked (v. 38) Seeds are the saved (v. 38).
                            Reapers are angels (v. 39).
                            ● Paul's epistle to the Philippians (joy through suffering).

                            3. Pergamos ("elevated by marriage"), Rev 2:12-17 — pergos G4444 tower, gamos G1062 marriage
                            Satan's seat / Nicolaitanes / Apostasy / church-state union (4th-5th century).

                            ● Parable of the mustard seed — Matt 13:31-32, Mark 4:30-32, Luke 13:19.
                            Birds defined as Satan (Matt.13:4, 19 - Mark 4:4, 15 - Luke 8:5, 12) See Rev 18:2, 19:17, 21.
                            ● Paul's epistles to the Corinthians (married to the world).

                            4. Thyatira ("perpetual sacrifice"), Rev 2:18-29 — The church of the middle ages (6th-16th century).
                            The word Thyatira comes from the Greek "thuo" sacrifice G2380, and "ateires" unweary.
                            Jezebel - Rev 2:20, 1 Ki 21:1-26 (represents the Inquisition, Ahab = State, Jezebel = Church).
                            Rev 2:21 (space to repent), Elijah in the wilderness 1260 days (3 1/2 years) Luke 4:25, James 5:17, Rev 11:2-3, 12:6,14 (538-1798 A.D.) Apostate satanic doctrine in the church (Rev 2:24).

                            ● Parable of the leaven — Matt 13:33, Luke 13:21-30.
                            Leaven is corrupt doctrine (Matt. 16:11-12).
                            Leaven is hypocrisy (Luke 12:1).
                            Leaven is malice and wickedness (1 Cor 5:8).
                            Unleavened bread is sincerity and truth (1 Cor 5:8).
                            ● Paul's epistle to the Galatians (call out of religious externalism) See Gal 5:9.

                            5. Sardis ("red ones", from the sardius stone), Rev 3:1-6 — The Reformation era. No praise.
                            A dead church, but a faithful few remain.

                            ● Parable of the treasure of the field — Matt 13:44.
                            Field defined as the world (v. 38).
                            ● Paul's epistle to the Romans or Hebrews (salvation by faith).

                            6. Philadelphia ("brotherly love"), Rev 3:7-13 — The early 19th century to 1844. No criticism.
                            Church of the door opened by the Key of House of David - The Adventist movement proclaiming the 3 angel's messages of Revelation 14.

                            ● Parable of the pearl of great price — Matt 13:45.
                            Oysters are unclean, the pearl only has value when separated from the unclean oyster (Rev 18:1-5).
                            ● Paul's epistles to the Thessalonians (second coming not imminent).

                            7. Laodicea ("a people judged"), Rev 3:14-19 — From 1844 to the second coming. No praise.

                            ● Parable of the net — Matt 13:47-50.
                            ● Paul's epistle to the Colossians (told to exchange letters with Laodicea).

                            ● Summary: Parable of the scribe — Matt 13:52.
                            Any comments on different ones anyone's seen....
                            Last edited by Brother Mark; May 20th 2008, 12:42 PM. Reason: removed link

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                            • #15
                              Revelation chapter 2 and 3 doesn't give us the hint of what the year of the seven churches, and which church period, we are right now.

                              All of seven churches of Aisa of Revelation chapter 2 and 3, were all literal churches during John's time in year around 90's A.D. Christ knew all churches' works, what they already done in John's time. All of them already died 1900 years ago. Although, all seven churches showing us what types we are as individual. All of these seven churches cover whole Church history from John's time to Second Advent.

                              Many saying that Lacodiecan Church is the final age which we are in right now. How do they can prove it?

                              Throughout centuries of Church history, many Christians' type of their spiritual apply to Lacodiceans, because, lot of Christians were lukewarm, many were comofrt with worldly things with pleasants. Even, today, lot of Christians are lukewarm. But, this doesn't mean that we are "Now in the seventh Church of the Church Age".

                              This teaching was come from C.I. Scofield. Many adopted his teaching on Revelation chapter 2 & 3.

                              I reject it, because of dispensationalism doctrine. It is unbiblical.

                              Also, Matthew chapter 13 gives the lessons talking about the "Kingdom". There is only one same kingdom of different examples of parables.

                              Bible doesn't teaching us that we have seven kingdoms. If suppose, there is actual seven kingdoms, then we have seven Gods. HUH? Doesn't make a sense.

                              We only have one kingdom come from heaven. Because we have ONE King - Jesus Christ, no other else.

                              I believe Bible gives us the simple and clear meanings, no complex.

                              Bible warns us, that we must watch out for false teachers, that why many already deceive elects.

                              I rather follow what the Bible than what men saying according to Colossians 2:8.

                              In Christ
                              Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

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