Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Did I commit the ultimate sin???

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Did I commit the ultimate sin???

    I was watching videos on youtube. It was Benny Hinn laying hands and people were falling down. I thought that it looked evil for a moment and then I realized that it's the power of the Holy Spirit. I was reading a verse in the bible were it says that if you call the Holy Spirit unclean then you have committed an unforgiveable sinconfused

    I am terrified

    I was scared when watching the video and that's what came into my head first
    sigpic

  • #2
    No mate, its if you reject the spirit yourself that you are committing the unforgivable sin, once saved always saved. Benny Hinn and his like are controversial in their 'techniques' of ministry and i for one think alot of that style of ministry is hype. God does heal people, but usually not in the same ways as he did in the days of the cross.
    "Few men are born brave. Many become so through training and force of discipline"
    -Flavius Vegetius Renatus

    "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." - James 2:26

    Watch This! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA - Christian Artist Lecrae

    Comment


    • #3
      Hi Joe,

      There are different opinions about the unforgivable sin. If you read what it says about it in the Bible, it might help you to understand that you didn't commit that sin.
      Mark 3:20-30
      Then the multitude came together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread. 21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, "He is out of His mind."
      22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Beelzebub," and, "By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons."
      23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: "How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27 No one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house.
      28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation" 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."
      NKJV
      The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the assertion that Jesus did His miraculous works -- particularly casting out demons -- by the power of Satan. The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that Jesus was possessed by an evil spirit. Some of the religious authorities who witnessed Jesus' miracles committed this crime. They did it often.

      Benny Hinn isn't Jesus so you didn't commit that sin. It is very easy to question Hinn's activities. With Jesus, there was no question because his miracles and signs were genuine, the real deal. Jesus made water into wine -- that is an act of creation. He made someone blind from birth able to see, and everyone in town including the religious authorities knew it. They could not deny that a miracle had been done. He made a paralyzed person able to walk. If you compare the kinds of 'miracles' people like Benny Hinn does with what Jesus did, or with what the apostles did, you should be able to see that there is a big difference.
      Love In Christ,
      Tanya






      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Joe King View Post
        I was watching videos on youtube. It was Benny Hinn laying hands and people were falling down. I thought that it looked evil for a moment and then I realized that it's the power of the Holy Spirit. I was reading a verse in the bible were it says that if you call the Holy Spirit unclean then you have committed an unforgiveable sinconfused

        I am terrified

        I was scared when watching the video and that's what came into my head first
        No, you did not. When you came to the knowledge that it was the Holy Spirit, you immediately changed your attitude to one of respect and awe. Without going into long debate on what the unpardonable sin is, I can tell you that if your conscience still convicts you, and the Holy Spirit still speaks to you; you have not committed it.

        Comment


        • #5
          The unpardonable sin?

          Originally posted by Joe King View Post
          I was watching videos on youtube. It was Benny Hinn laying hands and people were falling down. I thought that it looked evil for a moment and then I realized that it's the power of the Holy Spirit. I was reading a verse in the bible were it says that if you call the Holy Spirit unclean then you have committed an unforgiveable sinconfused

          I am terrified

          I was scared when watching the video and that's what came into my head first

          Hi Joe,

          If you're worried about committing the unpardonable sin, you have not committed it. The Pharisees and Sadducees constantly gave credit of the miracles of Jesus to Satan, and they knew no remorse for their actions. As a matter of fact, they flaunted their "religiosity" in the face of the Savior.

          Not to worry - the hype of Benny Hinn and others like him have led many people into wrong thinking. He makes folks think that they're lacking spirituality if they don't receive healing, and then he urges folks to go into debt to give him money. Just my opinion - I think we should all turn him off.

          God Bless.
          "I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High." Psalm 9:2

          Comment


          • #6
            Thank you all very much!!!

            I feel safe in admitting that the way those people were falling out was scary.
            sigpic

            Comment


            • #7
              Imo, you didn't reject the HS b/c I believe Benny uses hypnotism... not the Holy Spirit. Here's a article about his techniques...

              http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._85932614/pg_1
              Thus says YHWH, "Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls.
              -Jeremiah 6:16

              Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. - Matthew 11:29

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Joe King View Post
                I was watching videos on youtube. It was Benny Hinn laying hands and people were falling down. I thought that it looked evil for a moment and then I realized that it's the power of the Holy Spirit. I was reading a verse in the bible were it says that if you call the Holy Spirit unclean then you have committed an unforgiveable sinconfused

                I am terrified

                I was scared when watching the video and that's what came into my head first
                I would say you shouldn't worry about this. What the Pharisees were doing which prompted Jesus to make his comments was to look at what he was doing and then consciously and deliberately claim he had an evil spirit. Their considered response to the Holy Spirit was to pronounce it an evil spirit.

                What you described is seeing something, feeling it was probably evil, then thinking maybe it was of God. An initial gut reaction is totally different from a considered response.

                I'm not familiar with Benny Hinn, but from what others have said in this thread it may be that what you saw wasn't actually the Holy Spirit at work anyway.
                24 August 2013 - I've decided to take a break from a number of internet forums, including this one, for my own reasons.
                I expect to be back at some time in the future, although at present don't know when that will be.
                I've been here just a few days shy of six years, and those six years have been greatly blessed.

                ---

                1Jn 4:1 NKJV Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
                1Th 5:21-22 NKJV Test all things; hold fast what is good. (22) Abstain from every form of evil.



                Comment


                • #9
                  I think your danger is in believing that the Holy Spirit is present in Hinn's meetings - at the very least, it's hype, but I believe from looking into what he says, how he lives and his techniques, that it could well be the "different spirit" Paul refers to in 2 Cor 11:4....

                  I reckon your first thought was the right one and you should test the spirits - check out the many internet sites that expose this man for what he is....
                  Last edited by 9Marksfan; May 27th 2008, 11:42 PM. Reason: typo

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 9Marksfan View Post
                    I think your danger is in beleiving that the Holy Spirit is present in Hinn's meetings - at the very least, it's hype, but I believe from looking into what he says, how he lives and his techniques, that it could well be the "different spirit" Paul refers to in 2 Cor 11:4....

                    I reckon your first thought was the right one and you should test the spirits - check out the many internet sites that expose this man for what he is....
                    -------------------------------------------------------------

                    I agree with the above statements..

                    Saul of Tarsus , who became Paul, who took the Gospel Message to the Gentiles... was a blasphemer and a persecutor, and injurious consulting to the death of many Christians.. He obtained mercy because he did it ignorantly and in unbelief.

                    I honestly don't believe you committed the unpardonable sin.... Test the spirit or spirits that this man sits under.. you be suprised what you find or lack of...... Keep your head up and be Strong in the Lord..

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      From what I learned in Greek studies, (shortening down a sum of text), is that if you die as an unrepentant who did not turn to God, then that is "blaspheming" The HS. That idea might be difficult to fathom in English, but, at least, this much is easy to know: if you reject God, your doomed. So, as for you Joe King, or anyway else that questions a ministry/etc., I see no err on your part in questioning ministries (they are to be held up to scrutiny anyway).

                      On "healings"... Saints can be healed or "Saved" anywhere, anytime, and anyplace. It does not mean what is going on around them justifies the actions of others. I have heard one preacher said he was so drunk that he was throwing up in the toilet bowl, and felt that was all he can take, and he got Saved then - that does not mean he needs to get drunk all the time, since apparently, that is what drove him into his Born-Again state. IOW, getting doggy-drunk was not "validated" by the incident, which turn out for the better.

                      So, if one is healed or saved at a place where this is a pastor, minister, evangelist, etc., that does not mean that everything that person preaches and say is true, accurate and gospel - it is the power of God that heals and saves, and it is Him we can trust.

                      Blessings.
                      "A text without context is a pretext."

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Maybe there should be a 'Sticky' thread on the 'unforgivable sin' in NIC seeing as it comes up so often. Or maybe a FAQ answer/explanation or something. Just a thought.
                        As thy days, so shall thy strength be - Deuteronomy 33:25

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Joe King View Post
                          I was watching videos on youtube. It was Benny Hinn laying hands and people were falling down. I thought that it looked evil for a moment and then I realized that it's the power of the Holy Spirit. I was reading a verse in the bible were it says that if you call the Holy Spirit unclean then you have committed an unforgiveable sinconfused

                          I am terrified

                          I was scared when watching the video and that's what came into my head first
                          No, you're fine, you were just being deceived I believe. I have heard the worlds, "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" in a song before, and I was singing along to the words, which was totally ignorant of me, even though I was a Christian, I don't believe that I committed a sin, other that just being stupid.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Benny Hinn

                            My friend and her husband went to a Benny Hinn crusade several months ago. During the service, Hinn urged everyone in the stadium to "max out their credit cards" to give to his ministry. I can't imagine any man of God urging people to go into debt to support his ministry.

                            My advice to anyone is to stay clear of his "ministry" and others like it. Hype - that's what it is and people are being duped into supporting him. He's worth a lot of money, and it was all given by innocent people who don't understand God's plan for today.

                            It is our responsibility to be discerning regarding who we choose to follow. Careful study will reveal that Hinn, and so many others like him are really into the money they are making.
                            "I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High." Psalm 9:2

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I can help you out on this, I struggled with this issue not too long ago, I still grapple with it slightly as a result of suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (I suffer from unwelcome, intrusive blasphemous thoughts as well as obsessive thinking patterns, not so much now, but I still get them unfortunately, but I'm learning slowly to just ignore them). But here we go. I figure this will help calm people's nerves on this explosive issue.

                              What is the unpardonable sin? Is it attributing the work of God to the devil? Is it a final rejection of God's offer of salvation? These are the most common opinions on this subject matter, but what is it about this one particular sin that makes it unforgivable?

                              "He who is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad (Matt. 12:30)." So you're either with Christ (like we are) or against him, like the religious leaders were. I can tie this passage into John 3:36: "He that believeth on the son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." So you're either with Christ and part of the elect, or you're against him and part of the lost and potentially damned. I strongly oppose the doctine of OSAS, God will not back off on his promises to the believer, but the believer can willfully apostasize and break his fellowship (I don't buy that "that person was never saved to begin with" garbage AT ALL!!!), you have the assurances of both God the Father and God the Son on this: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death into life (John 5:24)." "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee (Heb. 13:5)." If you really need assurance, read 1 John (the entire book) or the famous John 3:16 (if you do not know this verse, you are NOT a Christian IMO). Discovering the promises of God in the scriptures has been helping to ease my uneasy conscience about being damned, it's been a slow process, and it's still ongoing, but I'm better than before.

                              Now getting back on topic, those religious leaders were fulfilling what Isaiah said in Is. 5:20-"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; That put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Those religious leaders were so far stooped in their own power-hungry, wicked ways that they were ignoring the Holy Spirit's testimony concerning the Messiahship of Christ that they were in fact, calling good evil and evil good. They saw the goodness of God (freedom from disabilities and evil spirits), but were perpetually calling it the evil of Satan (the Pharisees leveled their sorcery charge against Christ not once in the book of Matthew, but twice, see verse 9:34). A famous Lutheran scholar, Johann Bengel, once wrote that all other sins are human but this sin is Satanic. To commit this sin is to be (as author Stephen John Spencer writes) "born again of the devil." Satan often masquerades as an angel of light, those Pharisees claimed to be serving God, but their hearts were far from him, they were serving themselves (Mark 7:6-9), and self-servingness/pride/hatred are Satanic virtues, as Satan thought he was higher than God and desired to be that way, those Pharisees were power-hungry just like the evil one, and were clearly demonstrating it in their behavior. The Pharisees true father wasn't God, but in fact, the devil (John 8:44), as they were rejecting the truths of God for lies when they blasphemously charged our Lord with sorcery. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in Matt. 12:34-35="O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things." When one perpetually ignores the testimony of the Holy Spirit long enough (as the Pharisees were by the hardness of their hearts from the get-go) to the point were their values become inverted to the point where good to them is evil and evil to them is good, that individual is suffering from a horrific spiritual cancer that is beyond hope, which is why "the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto man (Matt. 12:31)." That person, by their perpetual refusal to listen to what the Holy Spirit is trying to tell them, can never be forgiven because they are cut off from the only basis by which faith can be built, as Jesus himself said: "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him (John 6:44)." It isn't so much that God doesn't WANT to forgive the offender who commits this sin (see 2 Pet. 3:9 folks), it's that he CAN'T, that person renders themselves hopeless lost by the hardness of their hearts where they call good evil and evil good. That is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. To summarize, it is a horrible, spiritual cancer beyond regenerative hope, to the point where God is unable to forgive the person guilty of this sin. So those who worry that they might have committed it prove by their very concern that they haven't, for an interesting story about this matter, please read the following story at this link: http://www.faithalone.org/news/y1997/97march2.html
                              USSA-The United Socialist States of America

                              Without Jesus, eternity is a living Hell, literally.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X