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    I have asked a lot of questions on Leviticus and while reading I try to overlook and understand a lot of Gods rules. Like in Deuteronomy 22 when they stone a girl to death for being a "harlot" or like in Leviticus 21 where if a daughter of a priest commits prostitution is to be burned in fire. I can justify those by their sin and how much God hated sin. Where I have absolutely hit a wall, is in Leviticus chapter 21 starting with verse 17:

    "Speak to Aaron. Tell him, 'For all time to come, no man in your family line who has any flaws can come near to offer food to me. " 'No man who has any flaws can come near. No man who is blind or disabled can come. No man whose body is scarred or twisted can come. No man whose foot or hand is disabled can come. No man whose back is bent can come. No man who is too short can come. No man who has anything wrong with his eyes can come. No man who has boils or running sores can come. No man whose sex glands are crushed can come...etc. etc.


    Talk about a brick wall...

    So if your physical appearance is not good enough then you are not "holy" enough for God? Sorry if this sounds blasphemous but that sounds like a man made law if I ever heard one...

    I wonder what changed God mind when He was here in the flesh?..

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    Physical impurities did not mean the person wasn't "holy enough".

    As in the other thread regarding bodily emissions, this was God using physical impurities to analogize a lesson on faith and spiritual impurities.

    Considering the number of threads you've had recently where you're questioning God's motives regarding the various Laws, and how you've consistently gone straight for the most superficial explanations... I think you need to try applying a little more patience when you're studying the Law. Don't assume the Laws are arbitrary "man-made" nonsense just because you don't understand the reasoning right off the bat.

    It's perfectly fine for you to wonder "What was God thinking when he had this Law set up", but it's not okay for you to immediately conclude that the worst possible explanation is the most accurate one (in this instance, you concluded that being physical disabled meant God considered you unholy, which is not the case).

    In your thread "Atonement for women", Steve M recommended something to you, that I agree with.

    Put your reading of the Law on hold for a day or two, and go read the book of Hebrews, and study that book and what it has to say regarding the Old Covenant and the Law. Then go back to the Law.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by markedward View Post
      Physical impurities did not mean the person wasn't "holy enough".

      As in the other thread regarding bodily emissions, this was God using physical impurities to analogize a lesson on faith and spiritual impurities.

      Considering the number of threads you've had recently where you're questioning God's motives regarding the various Laws, and how you've consistently gone straight for the most superficial explanations... I think you need to try applying a little more patience when you're studying the Law. Don't assume the Laws are arbitrary "man-made" nonsense just because you don't understand the reasoning right off the bat.

      It's perfectly fine for you to wonder "What was God thinking when he had this Law set up", but it's not okay for you to immediately conclude that the worst possible explanation is the most accurate one (in this instance, you concluded that being physical disabled meant God considered you unholy, which is not the case).

      In your thread "Atonement for women", Steve M recommended something to you, that I agree with.

      Put your reading of the Law on hold for a day or two, and go read the book of Hebrews, and study that book and what it has to say regarding the Old Covenant and the Law. Then go back to the Law.
      Reading what I quoted within context of Leviticus, which is the book of laws, it seems pretty straight forward. Also I dont think that there was any "spiritual lessons" in stoning people or burning people alive for making mistakes. I dont think those people had the chance to learn that spiritual lesson.... And He even specifically directed it at some of Aarons offspring. (Also since when is being "too short" a physical ailment?). However I think I will start reading the book of Hebrews, because Leviticus is definitely a path for the patient and understanding.

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      • #4
        Please don't take this the wrong way. But unless you're a Levite, and are trying to follow the law to make yourself right with God, I wouldn't worry about what the book of Leviticus says. And I don't mean this to make light of your question, but just trying to keep in context.
        This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
          Please don't take this the wrong way. But unless you're a Levite, and are trying to follow the law to make yourself right with God, I wouldn't worry about what the book of Leviticus says. And I don't mean this to make light of your question, but just trying to keep in context.
          Well if God made these laws, I want to understand them. Because by understanding His word, I can better understand Him..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jeffinator View Post
            I have asked a lot of questions on Leviticus and while reading I try to overlook and understand a lot of Gods rules. Like in Deuteronomy 22 when they stone a girl to death for being a "harlot" or like in Leviticus 21 where if a daughter of a priest commits prostitution is to be burned in fire. I can justify those by their sin and how much God hated sin. Where I have absolutely hit a wall, is in Leviticus chapter 21 starting with verse 17:

            "Speak to Aaron. Tell him, 'For all time to come, no man in your family line who has any flaws can come near to offer food to me. " 'No man who has any flaws can come near. No man who is blind or disabled can come. No man whose body is scarred or twisted can come. No man whose foot or hand is disabled can come. No man whose back is bent can come. No man who is too short can come. No man who has anything wrong with his eyes can come. No man who has boils or running sores can come. No man whose sex glands are crushed can come...etc. etc.


            Talk about a brick wall...

            So if your physical appearance is not good enough then you are not "holy" enough for God? Sorry if this sounds blasphemous but that sounds like a man made law if I ever heard one...

            I wonder what changed God mind when He was here in the flesh?..

            The Levitical priesthood and all the offerings were a type or picture of the Perfect Priest to come, the Lord Jesus. He was perfect without sin and therefore the antitype was called to be perfect. That's why the sacrifices could have no blemishes nor could the priests.
            No one can ever be holy enough for God. The believer's righteousness is in Christ.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jeffinator View Post
              Well if God made these laws, I want to understand them. Because by understanding His word, I can better understand Him..
              Absolutely. I agree with you. But remember that in Jesus ALL the law is fulfilled. So I can find no better way to understand Him than by looking to Him. You know what I mean?
              This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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              • #8
                And on a lighter note, we interrupt our discussion for a crass commercial message.

                In the words of Randy Newman...

                Short people got no reason
                Short people got no reason
                Short people got no reason
                To live

                They got little hands
                Little eyes
                They walk around
                Tellin' great big lies
                They got little noses
                And tiny little teeth
                They wear platform shoes
                On their nasty little feet

                Well, I don't want no short people
                Don't want no short people
                Don't want no short people
                `Round here

                Short people are just the same
                As you and I
                (A fool such as I)
                All men are brothers
                Until the day they die
                (It's a wonderful world)

                Short people got nobody
                Short people got nobody
                Short people got nobody
                To love

                They got little baby legs
                That stand so low
                You got to pick em up
                Just to say hello
                They got little cars
                That go beep, beep, beep
                They got little voices
                Goin' peep, peep, peep
                They got grubby little fingers
                And dirty little minds
                They're gonna get you every time
                Well, I don't want no short people
                Don't want no short people
                Don't want no short people
                'Round here

                __________
                OK, if you remember that song, you just revealed your age. Go comb your mullet and put on your parachute pants.

                On a more serious note,


                Trying to apply the Levitical laws to 21st century Christianity is an exercise in futility.

                We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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                • #9
                  I cannot think of a single thing I can learn about God by finding out why the red heifer cannot have so much as one single white hair on it.
                  For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

                  If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

                  Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oma View Post
                    The Levitical priesthood and all the offerings were a type or picture of the Perfect Priest to come, the Lord Jesus. He was perfect without sin and therefore the antitype was called to be perfect. That's why the sacrifices could have no blemishes nor could the priests.
                    No one can ever be holy enough for God. The believer's righteousness is in Christ.

                    Good post and I agree...
                    Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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                    Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
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                    The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
                    Jeremiah 31:3

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                    • #11
                      Thank you guys for your posts, they helped a lot.

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