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    How can we know the difference from the wheat and tares?


    How can we tell the difference from a real believer from a false believer?

    Wheat is good to eat and profitable for trade. Tares look like wheat but it is poisonous to eat and not of any good to trade. Tares pretend to be wheat.

    (Tares)- Lolium temulentum, typically known as darnel or cockle, is an annual plant that forms part of the Poaceae family and part of the Lolium genus. The plant stem can grow up to 1 meter tall, with inflorescence in the ears and purple grain. It grows plentifully in Syria and Israel.
    It usually grows in the same production zones as wheat and is considered a weed. The similarity between these two plants is so extensive that in some regions cockle is referred to as "false wheat." It bears a close resemblance to wheat until the ear appears. The ears on the real wheat are so heavy that it makes the entire plant droop downward, but the "false wheat", which ears are light, stands straight.

    How can we know the difference? I have studied this topic and will attempt to share what I know. Please feel free to add the revelations that God has taught you.


    Wheat Believers versus Tare Believers-

    1.Wheat can cry Abba Father because of the inner witness of the Holy Spirit and Tares cannot because they are not indwelled by the Holy Spirit
    Ga 4:6 -Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

    2.Wheat can know God in spirit and truth but Tares are under the deception of the devil.
    Matt 7:21-23 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

    3.Wheat produces good fruit and Tares produce false fruit.
    Matt 7:15-17 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

    4.Wheat has the truth that sets us free, but Tares have a form of godliness but no power.
    2Ti 3:5 - having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

    5.Wheat is spiritual and Tares can be nothing but carnal.
    1Co 3:3 - for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

    6.Wheat was birth by the Holy Spirit and Tares were planted by the devil.
    Mt 13:25 - but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

    I believe the Tares do not and cannot know that they are Tares unless God draws them to the truth of His Son. The Wheat however know that they are wheat. Jesus said let the wheat and tares grow together. This means that they are growing together in the same churches.
    Mt 13:30 -Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.

    7.The wheat has a purpose that is of God, but the Tares have a purpose that is of the devil.
    Joh 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (The Sanhedrin sat in the Seat of Moses, but a great many of them were of the devil and did the devil's business by having the Messiah killed)

    Outside of discernment being given to us from the Holy Spirit, I do not believe that there is a true measure of testing wheat from tares. We can attempt to do so, but we can often be wrong. Wheat can sometimes be mistaken as a tare depending on the mess of sin some saint find themselves in. Tares can sometimes be mistaken as wheat as a lot of unsaved people can do a mountain of good works. However, I believe in the times to come, the distinctions between the two will become a whole more noticeable.

    I believe the Tares will be one of the greatest oppressors and thorn in the side of the true saints of God in the times leading up to and in the tribulation. Some tares will serve the anti-christ and do his works under deception just as some of the Sanhedrin did.
    Joh 16:2 -They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.


    What can you add that lets you know the Wheat from the Tares?
    Edify the brethren, love the brethren, and forgive the brethren until I have nothing left.

    www.woc-church.org

  • #2
    Originally posted by manichunter View Post
    How can we know the difference from the wheat and tares?


    How can we tell the difference from a real believer from a false believer?

    Wheat is good to eat and profitable for trade. Tares look like wheat but it is poisonous to eat and not of any good to trade. Tares pretend to be wheat.

    (Tares)- Lolium temulentum, typically known as darnel or cockle, is an annual plant that forms part of the Poaceae family and part of the Lolium genus. The plant stem can grow up to 1 meter tall, with inflorescence in the ears and purple grain. It grows plentifully in Syria and Israel.
    It usually grows in the same production zones as wheat and is considered a weed. The similarity between these two plants is so extensive that in some regions cockle is referred to as "false wheat." It bears a close resemblance to wheat until the ear appears. The ears on the real wheat are so heavy that it makes the entire plant droop downward, but the "false wheat", which ears are light, stands straight.

    How can we know the difference? I have studied this topic and will attempt to share what I know. Please feel free to add the revelations that God has taught you.


    Wheat Believers versus Tare Believers-

    1.Wheat can cry Abba Father because of the inner witness of the Holy Spirit and Tares cannot because they are not indwelled by the Holy Spirit
    Ga 4:6 -Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

    2.Wheat can know God in spirit and truth but Tares are under the deception of the devil.
    Matt 7:21-23 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

    3.Wheat produces good fruit and Tares produce false fruit.
    Matt 7:15-17 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

    4.Wheat has the truth that sets us free, but Tares have a form of godliness but no power.
    2Ti 3:5 - having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

    5.Wheat is spiritual and Tares can be nothing but carnal.
    1Co 3:3 - for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

    6.Wheat was birth by the Holy Spirit and Tares were planted by the devil.
    Mt 13:25 - but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

    I believe the Tares do not and cannot know that they are Tares unless God draws them to the truth of His Son. The Wheat however know that they are wheat. Jesus said let the wheat and tares grow together. This means that they are growing together in the same churches.
    Mt 13:30 -Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.

    7.The wheat has a purpose that is of God, but the Tares have a purpose that is of the devil.
    Joh 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (The Sanhedrin sat in the Seat of Moses, but a great many of them were of the devil and did the devil's business by having the Messiah killed)

    Outside of discernment being given to us from the Holy Spirit, I do not believe that there is a true measure of testing wheat from tares. We can attempt to do so, but we can often be wrong. Wheat can sometimes be mistaken as a tare depending on the mess of sin some saint find themselves in. Tares can sometimes be mistaken as wheat as a lot of unsaved people can do a mountain of good works. However, I believe in the times to come, the distinctions between the two will become a whole more noticeable.

    I believe the Tares will be one of the greatest oppressors and thorn in the side of the true saints of God in the times leading up to and in the tribulation. Some tares will serve the anti-christ and do his works under deception just as some of the Sanhedrin did.
    Joh 16:2 -They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.


    What can you add that lets you know the Wheat from the Tares?

    Hi manichunter!

    The only one I seem to have some problem in agreement with, is (5) carnal

    I believe that true Christians, can yet still be carnal (as babes in Christ)
    They just lack a measure of Christian maturity.

    Keeping 'the faith' during persecution will expose/separate wheat from tares.
    I also have a strong feeling that, the 'falling away' is a separation of wheat and tares.

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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    • #3
      Originally posted by partaker of Christ View Post
      Hi manichunter!

      The only one I seem to have some problem in agreement with, is (5) carnal

      I believe that true Christians, can yet still be carnal (as babes in Christ)
      They just lack a measure of Christian maturity.

      Keeping 'the faith' during persecution will expose/separate wheat from tares.
      I also have a strong feeling that, the 'falling away' is a separation of wheat and tares.

      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
      I agree. It should be better said that Wheat is spiritual but can be carnal, and it often is without discipleship. Its a matter of our position in Christ (spiritual), but not living in it or by it (carnal).
      Edify the brethren, love the brethren, and forgive the brethren until I have nothing left.

      www.woc-church.org

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      • #4
        The Bible says you can tell the difference by their "fruit".
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        When the plain sense of Scripture make sense, seek no other sense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Literalist-Luke View Post
          The Bible says you can tell the difference by their "fruit".
          Exactly

          ... Ye shall know them by their fruit...
          Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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          Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
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          The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
          Jeremiah 31:3

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          • #6
            This is a great thread, manichunter, and reflects much of what I have been trying to say elsewhere - the church is a mixed body, made up of true and false believers - wheat and tares.

            The agricultural description of when the distinction becomes clear is a wonderful one - I'm sure one or more of the Puritans will have some pithy comments on it! For me, it reminds me of a chapter in the little book by Roy Hession, The Calvary Road - the chapter was based on Paul's phrase "Not I, but Christ" and was called "Not I, but C" - Hession drew the contrast between the stubborn, proud self, standing tall and unbending like the letter "i" (like the tare) and the humble, contrite, new creature in Christ, bending in prayer and conscious of his own sin and need, ressembling the letter "c" (like the wheat!).

            I don't have anything to say further except that this is clearly speaking about the churches because the tares are sown AMONG the wheat - and it is "an enemy" who has done this - ie the Devil. Someone else has said elsewhere that the church is ONLY made up of real believers, because it's only the Lord who adds people to His church. But this passage shows that Satan adds HIS people to churches too - rather the passages in Acts show that those who are the Lord's are added by Him to the church - they're not just left to fend for themselves! But it doesn't imply that those in the churches are ALL added by the Lord.

            Finally, I believe that this parable teaches the same basic message as many of the other parables - the sheep and the goats, the good and the bad servants/fish, the wise and the foolish builders/virgins, those on the broad/narrow way.

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            • #7
              The fruit thing definately works.
              Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by theBelovedDisciple View Post
                Exactly

                ... Ye shall know them by their fruit...
                You know, I think that we are the ones who are supposed to be sorting the wheat from the tares. I've seen people try. We want to believe, in our human pride that we really do have the knowledge and good and evil and can know that in our black and white world, we know when others are doing wrong. We want to think that we know who's saved and who's not.

                This is not what God intended.

                God is the one who, in the end, plans to separate the wheat from the tares in the story. It's not the wheat going around telling other wheat that they think they may be a tare. According the verse mentioned about, we are supposed to tell False prophets by their fruit - to avoid following their teachings. We are not to go around testing spiritual fruit and accusing people in our mind of not being saved.

                I've heard people say about myself, my mom, and other random people that they must not be christians - they can't be christians. A christian wouldn't do/feel that. I don't see the fruits of the Spirit in their life, and "you shall know them by their fruit." Well, christians also sin and feel depressed, blow up at people, can be insecure, will disagree with you, will believe in gray areas, etc. They need to be helped, maybe - taught perhaps - discouraged and accused? Never. Who is "the accuser of the brethren"? Satan. Should we? No.

                I'm not saying that any of you on this thread would be judgmental or accusing towards others, but I think it's something that we all need to be careful of, especially when trying to weigh in our mind who is saved and who isn't. In my own mind, I'm content with saying 'I believe that they are saved, based on x,y,z, but God knows." Or "I think it highly unlikely that this guy is a christian, but God knows." I am never ever 100% sure whether anyone is saved, except myself. I'm SURE about myself. Others, I can only be mostly sure. But I don't really dwell on it all that much, and if I think someone is unsaved, I don't tell them "you don't have the fruit of the Spirit," I subtly witness to them rather - I try to help.

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                • #9
                  Ture that, but getting personally too involved with tares can be destructive. I guess we need to define 'fruit' so we can talk from the same platform.
                  Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by keck553 View Post
                    The fruit thing definately works.
                    I've seen it many times NOT work though.

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                    • #11
                      and also remember tares think they are wheat

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                      • #12
                        Did you know...

                        Tares and wheat look the same in structure. However, they do grow differently: As wheat matures and grows, it bows over. Tares stand straight up. In this way they are somewhat distinguishable.

                        Isn't this interesting? We as Christ followers should also bow in humility before our Creator and to one another. The world is puffed up in pride, and a false Christian (tare) *could* be evidenced by a lack of repentance, humility, and grace towards others.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kate View Post
                          Did you know...

                          Tares and wheat look the same in structure. However, they do grow differently: As wheat matures and grows, it bows over. Tares stand straight up. In this way they are somewhat distinguishable.

                          Isn't this interesting? We as Christ followers should also bow in humility before our Creator and to one another. The world is puffed up in pride, and a false Christian (tare) *could* be evidenced by a lack of repentance, humility, and grace towards others.

                          kate i never knew that thanks for pointing that out

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                          • #14
                            A picture of the two conflicts of two differnt spiritual kingdoms..

                            The parable of the sower refers to the the man who sowed good seed in his field.. then while men slept the enemy came and sowed tares amongst the wheat seed.. and went his way....

                            The bad seed or tares are sown by the devil.. he plants them amongst the wheat.. when the good seed sprouts and bears fruit.. alas.. there are the tares or the bad seed.. right amonst the wheat or good seed.... Like the Apostle Paul revealing the mystery.. I find a law that when I would do good... EVIL is present with me..

                            Those who worked in the field saw the bad seed and wanted to go and root them out.. and they quesitoned where the tares came from.. The good Master of the field told the workers not to root up the tares lest ye pull up some of the wheat in the process.. let them both grow together until the time of the harvest.. then the tares shall be placed in bundles and burned in the fire.. but gather the wheat into the barn.

                            The field is the world.. the good seed are the children of the Kingdom .. sown by the Son of Man..

                            The bad seed are those children of darkness masquerading as children of light... they are the tares.. sown by their father the devil.

                            They both grow up together until the time of the harvest. then the tares are gathered and burned in the unquenchable fire... but the righteous shall shine forth as the sun.... in the Kingdom of their Father


                            HE THAT HATH EARS LET HIM HEAR...

                            The scripture says we will 'know' them by their fruit.. as far as the good seed trying to uproot the bad seed... His command is to let them grow up until the time of the harvest .. then His angels shall gather out all that offend and those who do iniquity... this is at the End of the World..

                            'knowing' their fruit is spiritually discerning their motives and looking at their actions and what they preach/teach as far as sound doctrine.... is the fruit of the Spirit manifest? thats not judgemental at all.. its called discernment.. much of it is lacking today.. We are to 'test' all things.....

                            In this teaching you see the 'two kindgoms' side by side on this planet.. the god of this world and his kingdom and his children... some who masquerade as children of light.. then you see the Son of Man as He plants 'true' light or seed amongst the darkness.. Those with true light and are the good seed... are overcomers.... and can quote this verse at the accuser when he comes.. roaming...

                            Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world..

                            Those with true light and the good seed are overcomers....

                            We have overcome the wicked one... and what is this........ that overcomes this world and its system? even our Faith...

                            Faith in the Risen One.. the Son of Man.. and believing and trusting in Him and His completed atoning Work at Golgotha... trusting with child like faith as a child would...

                            this is 'our' Victory!
                            Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
                            ------------------------------------------------
                            Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
                            ------------------------------------------------
                            The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
                            Jeremiah 31:3

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                            • #15
                              I got a new question to add that I see another spurred my thinking. Who are the men that fell asleep? It is obvious that they got something to do with the enemy being allowed to sow the tares in the first place. I believe Jesus is making an accusation against the saints not being watchful of the enemy works within the body.

                              I also believe that there is nothing new under the sun. There will come a time of great conflict between the wheat and tares....... The tares will turn against the wheat as the sinners of Israel turned against the prophets and the Sanhedrin turned against Jesus. They were tares and pretenders who oppressed and attacked the wheat thinking they were doing God a service.
                              Edify the brethren, love the brethren, and forgive the brethren until I have nothing left.

                              www.woc-church.org

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