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  • The flag before the Cross/or the Cross before the flag.

    Lk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

    I believe it is the cross, well before any flag.

    The Christians responsibility is to bear the cross and not the flag.
    No where in the bible are we called to carry a flag of any sort!

    Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    There are people who boast (glory) in the flag of their country, I, like Paul, would rather boast in the cross.

    There are two kingdoms.You are either in one or the other.
    You either carry the cross, or you don't.

    Mt 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    Many who go to war, do not go saying:"Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. "

    Perhaps this is why they donot see The Lord?

  • #2
    One can be both a good citizen and a good Christian.

    Paul was both a good Roman citizen and a good Christian.

    No need to make it an either/or proposition.

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    • #3
      Well,

      Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
      One can be both a good citizen and a good Christian.

      Paul was both a good Roman citizen and a good Christian.

      No need to make it an either/or proposition.
      There are instances where it can be different.
      When a flag offends people, maybe it should not be carried arround.An example is the old Confederate flag, for example.Is it good for one to go around, parading this old flag?

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      • #4
        More often than not, however, to be a good Christian and to be a good citizen contradict each other. Example:

        An illegal immigrant comes to your house on the verge of starvation and dehydration. As a citizen you realize it might be illegal to help this immigrant. As a Christian, however, you are called to help out and feed him and give him water (whether you turn him in, however, is up to your conscience). Regardless, helping him physically might be against the law, but it is what we're called to do.

        Or to the point we're going to get in this country where euthanasia and abortion will be considered mandatory (as a method of population control). A good citizen will comply while a good Christian will refuse to do these things.

        In the United States - as any other country - the two (citizen and Christian) often come in conflict with each other.

        Never wrap your Christianity in any flag.

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        • #5
          Of course it is the cross before the flag!

          How can we serve our country, truly, if we are not serving God? The truest way to serve your country is to walk in his righteousness - it invites his blessing to the land!

          Is it God, or my marriage first? It is God! I cannot love my husband and serve him rightly if I am not walking in God's righteousness.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by weighed View Post
            There are instances where it can be different.
            When a flag offends people, maybe it should not be carried arround.An example is the old Confederate flag, for example.Is it good for one to go around, parading this old flag?
            The Conferderate State of America no longer exists.

            Different question.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
              The Conferderate State of America no longer exists.
              America the Free Rebublic no longer exists either......sadly.

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              • #8
                The point is, it's a flag

                Originally posted by RabbiKnife View Post
                The Conferderate State of America no longer exists.

                Different question.
                We are not only discussing countries, but flag(s), see OP.
                And if you eat meat and cause your 'brother' to stumble, then don't do it.

                Do we agree?

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                • #9
                  So I suppose your next conclusion is because the American flag offends someone... it shouldn't be flown?


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                  • #10
                    Horsefeathers!

                    Originally posted by apothanein kerdos View Post
                    More often than not, however, to be a good Christian and to be a good citizen contradict each other. Example:

                    An illegal immigrant comes to your house on the verge of starvation and dehydration. As a citizen you realize it might be illegal to help this immigrant. As a Christian, however, you are called to help out and feed him and give him water (whether you turn him in, however, is up to your conscience). Regardless, helping him physically might be against the law, but it is what we're called to do.

                    Or to the point we're going to get in this country where euthanasia and abortion will be considered mandatory (as a method of population control). A good citizen will comply while a good Christian will refuse to do these things.

                    In the United States - as any other country - the two (citizen and Christian) often come in conflict with each other.

                    Never wrap your Christianity in any flag.
                    Nowhere does it say you cannot feed and water a person before you turn him in! God Bless America, again.
                    JER 14:13 Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them: Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.'
                    JER 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me: 'The prophets prophesy lies in My name; I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke I unto them; they prophesy unto you a lying vision, and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their own heart.

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                    • #11
                      No one's disagreeing?

                      Originally posted by dan View Post
                      Nowhere does it say you cannot feed and water a person before you turn him in! God Bless America, again.
                      It's up to your conscience

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pinky View Post
                        America the Free Rebublic no longer exists either......sadly.
                        i wish more would see it like you.
                        What u say is TRUE!

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                        • #13
                          I would also put God before the flag. In fact I don't see where this die hard patriotism comes from.

                          If one is to be a Christian then you have to see the sins of a nation and how they are stumblingblocks of the masses. Abortion, pornography, the media blasting our children with images, graven images in all our churches, idol worship, and the need to make profit above all else in this country shows the love of money. And what does scripture say about the love of money?

                          The root of all evil, the heart of Babylon.

                          So now I'm supposed to go wave a flag on Independence Day and feel pride! I feel shame! This country is where the judgement will be felt the hardest. This is where the love of money motivates above the needs of the hungry, sick, and poor, and not just of this country, but over the whole world.

                          When I walk out my door everyday I feel perseceuted by this country. I will follow the law as Romans 13 commands, but I will NOT respect it.

                          And before you guys use the old "then why don't you get out" argument,
                          simply because the whole world will feel the judgement and there is no righteous nation. God has put me in the heart of Babylon for a purpose, and I will endure it.

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                          • #14
                            I bet this holiday just drives you nuts!!!


                            Visit our new website
                            ! The Blog might interest some.. and Lord help me!!!... for those that twitter... there as well.

                            A.W. Tozer said,
                            "To escape the error of salvation by works we have fallen into the opposite error of salvation without obedience.

                            GO.... SERVE YOUR KING!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ProjectPeter View Post
                              I bet this holiday just drives you nuts!!!
                              No more than Christmas or Easter.

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