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    O.K. heres my deal.

    I have little joy.

    I am a firm believer that the end times are VERY near. I feel like that little kid in the movie the sixth sense when he says "I see dead people." I see people caught up in the rat race of life and I see them blinded to whats coming and I feel bad for them. I try to help when I can, but I feel that no matter what I do I am never doing enough. Everything I see is always aflame. Whenever I see almost anything I think to myself, "that is going to get smashed soon." Billboards and advertisements and everything else on T.V. and radio feel like a personal assault to me. Every time I hear something about God on T.V. or radio I instantly go on guard for fear of false doctrine that will offend me. My knowledge is increased daily but it only brings more sorrow.

    Going through my everyday life is more of a habit than a life. I feel like my flesh dies daily. I go to work simply to pay bills, and because if I didn't I would still be miserable at home anyway. My wife believes in God but thinks that I obsess over him. My family believes in God but thinks I'm crazy, so we don't talk about him anymore. I have one friend who believes in God like I do, and he is the only one I can talk too about it, but he is pretty much joyless as well. I don't enjoy anything in life at all anymore except my gardens, and you can only do so much weeding.

    So....wheres the joy when everybody and everything I know is dead?

    I have total faith in God, and there are very few moments in the day that I am not thinking about him. He is the first thing in my head in the morning and the last thing at night. I pray endlessly throughout the day. Yet I don't feel any joy.

    So....where is the joy?

  • #2
    Take time to stop and smell the flowers. Enjoy God's creation in nature. Appreciate that you have a job and family, many people dont, then I think you will find a lot to be thankful for.. and you will feel joy

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    • #3
      Good morning phaeton426, Lets start with Psalm 28:7 "The Lord is my strength and my shield. my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him."
      How can you not feel joy when you take time to be alone with our Father and just praise him, praise him, praise him. For He is so good and he does not want us going around with a long face. He wants us to put on a smile and ask to be filled with His joy inside of us.
      We can't attract non-believers to our faith in the Lord if we have this sad and bitter look on our face all day long.
      Pray for a new attitude and open your heart and mind up to the light of Christ and let Him shine through you.
      God wants us to see how the world is around us...he wants us to pray for the wrong things around us. But don't set your face like flint. Make sure you have an up -lifted smile and a pleasant word for anyone you meet today.

      Put on some Christian music and kick up your heels!!!
      "MAY THE GOD OF YOUR HOPE SO FILL YOU WITH ALL JOY AND PEACE IN BELIEVING THROUGH THE EXPIERENCE OF YOUR FAITH THAT BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT YOU MAY ABOUND AND BE OVER FLOWING (bulling over) WITH HOPE."
      ROMANS 15:13 Amplified Bible

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      • #4
        For me the "Joy" is Him! The Lord Jesus Christ! He is my Joy and my Hope! I can rejoice in knowing the Hope is He will come back for me! He is alive in me, and I am alive in Him! My cup runneth over in joy of my Lord. My joy is tangled into everything I do and see and know. I will pray for those who do not know this Joy; nor do they have this Joy flowing in them.

        Galatians 2: 20
        I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

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        • #5
          Phaeton, allot of "I" in that OP of yours. Seems "you" are doing all you can for God... are "you" sure this is what God is trying to do through you?

          I have met so many Christian's who seem unhappy with the tons of stuff they do for God and when they boil it down it's just that... it's stuff "they" are doing for God, not stuff God is trying to get them to do for Him.

          The relationship with God must be a 2-way relationship, not a 1-way relationship where all "you" are doing is for Him. Sometimes the "you" doing stuff for Him is in the way of stuff "He" wants you to do... He has a plan and can't get you to do it until you stop and allow Him the 2-way relationship He desires to have and get you to do what will bring Him glory and praise as the fruit you produce is the fruit He wants.

          What you are feeling, it's called Pruning. Accept it, seek God's will and you may find yourself going in a whole different direction then the one "you" want to go in for God. He's pointing you in the direction He wants you to go and until this pruning period is over these feelings will continue. They'll continue until you submit to God's will and the Joy you will experience is compounded with God's joy as you are doing what He wants, no longer doing what you want to do for Him.
          Slug1--out

          ~"In the turmoil of any chaos, all it takes is that whisper that is heard like thunder over all the noise and the chaos seems to go away, focus returns and we are comforted in knowing that God has listened to our cry for help."~

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          • #6
            I believe that our joy should not come from this world. Our joy is in the Lord!

            I am severely disabled, bedridden and almost a shutin, except for the bath I go to everyday if possible, and the hospitalvisits every once and a while......
            I lay on my bed all day, and often I am not able to use my arms like I am using them now because they are in braces........ I was defeated for a while, but then I started to explore my possibilities, and I am planning on becoming a vivid reader from now on! It's just a matter of how you look at things..... you gotta live with the possibilities that God has given you...... I am sure He looks down from Heaven, amused to see me using my limited powers to still be happy and how I deal with adversaries...... I am hoping it makes Him smile as much as it does me right now.......

            And if you can't find that joy..... tell God! Pray for joy!

            Love you,
            Mieke
            Glorious Day
            Living He loved me
            Dying He saved me
            Buried He carried my sins far away
            Risen He justified
            Freely forever
            One day He's coming
            Oh Glorious Day!

            Casting Crowns

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            • #7
              I spoke at a ladies conference last year and that asked me to speak on joy. I’ll just give you a few very brief clips from what the Lord laid on my heart. I pray He speaks to you the way that He spoke to me.

              (1.) You can’t base your joy in the Lord on what you base your happiness on…These things are fleeting. The same exact things that makes you happy can also bring you grief. (spouses, children, work, church, health, rainy day, free time, medications, relationships….).



              (2.) We do something very unhealthy…. we take our happiness cue (what we mistake for joy) from the external…if the external things and relationships aren’t working… divorce, Alzheimer’s, rebellious children, poor health, things we can’t fix and we’ve lost control over……we say, “I’m depressed…sad…angry…I’m on the grief train.



              (3.) Too many Christians are basing their joy in the LORD on their human capacity to control the external….and that is impossible and it is wrong.



              (4.) Jesus spoke of His own personal joy for the first time on the night that He was going to the Garden of Gethsemane.
              John 15:11I have told you these things for a purpose: that My joy might be your joy, and your joy may be full (or wholly mature).

              Was that a joyous night in terms of finding happiness in the external circumstances of our lives and the condition of the world? I think not. Then joy must be something else and found somewhere else.


              (5.) Paul said of Jesus’ personal joy….
              Hebrews 12:2 “Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for joy set before him, endured the cross…”

              Jesus suffered untold physical and spiritual agonies FOR joy’s sake. Not with joy, but for joy’s sake. His joy and our joy.


              (6.) First, you’ve got to get a new definition of joy. It isn’t something that comes into you….it is something that comes out of you)...”an outward and visible manifestation of your relationship with God.”

              Just like Jesus said that there is nothing that goes into a man that defiles him, I believe that nothing that goes into a man can steal his joy. It can suppress his happiness, but not steal his joy.



              (7.) In preparing for the ladies conference and looking at scriptural studies on joy, I found 427 bible passages that dealt with joy. I found that there were some striking similarities in some of the passages and came up with a few manifestations that people were exhibiting that express their joy. Here were the commonalities that I found in biblical people who were in a state of joy.

              They were manifesting thankfulness for salvation, visible praise, gratitude to God, unity in the body, a seeking of God, renewal/rededication, righteous living, and cheerful giving.



              In closing to you, personally, I see from your original post that you are taking your joy cue from other people's misery, your helplessness, terrible circumstances of the world, the media, the mundaneness of your job, and your lack of unity with your wife.

              No wonder you are unhappy. I would be too. I probably wouldn't even crawl out of bed. How do I know that's what I'd do? I've been where you are.

              But these external factors, which are fleeting, have nothing to do with you inner relationship with God and you manifestation of your relationship with Him. There's your joy. How do you show and express your relationship with God? Try focusing on one of those categories that I found in studying joy.

              God bless you, brother....and your wife and family.

              I bid you much peace......peace of mind
              shalom
              jayne
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              ".....it's your nickel"

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              • #8
                I would consider reading Paul's Epistle to the Philippians, which he wrote out of prison. it has been called "the epistle of joy."
                Phileo and Agape in Christ,
                Geoffrey Primanti

                I am emphatic about this. The moment any one of you submits to circumcision or any other rule-keeping system, at that same moment Christ's hard-won gift of freedom is squandered. I repeat my warning: The person who accepts the ways of circumcision trades all the advantages of the free life in Christ for the obligations of the slave life of the law.
                Gal. 5:2-3, TMB
                To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ.
                Eph. 3:8, NKJV

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jayne View Post
                  I spoke at a ladies conference last year and that asked me to speak on joy. I’ll just give you a few very brief clips from what the Lord laid on my heart. I pray He speaks to you the way that He spoke to me.

                  (1.) You can’t base your joy in the Lord on what you base your happiness on…These things are fleeting. The same exact things that makes you happy can also bring you grief. (spouses, children, work, church, health, rainy day, free time, medications, relationships….).



                  (2.) We do something very unhealthy…. we take our happiness cue (what we mistake for joy) from the external…if the external things and relationships aren’t working… divorce, Alzheimer’s, rebellious children, poor health, things we can’t fix and we’ve lost control over……we say, “I’m depressed…sad…angry…I’m on the grief train.



                  (3.) Too many Christians are basing their joy in the LORD on their human capacity to control the external….and that is impossible and it is wrong.



                  (4.) Jesus spoke of His own personal joy for the first time on the night that He was going to the Garden of Gethsemane.

                  Was that a joyous night in terms of finding happiness in the external circumstances of our lives and the condition of the world? I think not. Then joy must be something else and found somewhere else.


                  (5.) Paul said of Jesus’ personal joy….

                  Jesus suffered untold physical and spiritual agonies FOR joy’s sake. Not with joy, but for joy’s sake. His joy and our joy.


                  (6.) First, you’ve got to get a new definition of joy. It isn’t something that comes into you….it is something that comes out of you)...”an outward and visible manifestation of your relationship with God.”

                  Just like Jesus said that there is nothing that goes into a man that defiles him, I believe that nothing that goes into a man can steal his joy. It can suppress his happiness, but not steal his joy.



                  (7.) In preparing for the ladies conference and looking at scriptural studies on joy, I found 427 bible passages that dealt with joy. I found that there were some striking similarities in some of the passages and came up with a few manifestations that people were exhibiting that express their joy. Here were the commonalities that I found in biblical people who were in a state of joy.

                  They were manifesting thankfulness for salvation, visible praise, gratitude to God, unity in the body, a seeking of God, renewal/rededication, righteous living, and cheerful giving.



                  In closing to you, personally, I see from your original post that you are taking your joy cue from other people's misery, your helplessness, terrible circumstances of the world, the media, the mundaneness of your job, and your lack of unity with your wife.

                  No wonder you are unhappy. I would be too. I probably wouldn't even crawl out of bed. How do I know that's what I'd do? I've been where you are.

                  But these external factors, which are fleeting, have nothing to do with you inner relationship with God and you manifestation of your relationship with Him. There's your joy. How do you show and express your relationship with God? Try focusing on one of those categories that I found in studying joy.

                  God bless you, brother....and your wife and family.

                  I bid you much peace......peace of mind
                  shalom
                  jayne
                  I want to thank you for that.
                  The evidence for evolution is, at best, very weak. The evidence for scientific irresponsibility on the part of evolutionists is tragically and sadly conspicuous. It should also be said that along with dishonesty, trust is another casuality of aderence to evolution; dissention amongst proponents of evolution is quite telling of the fact that there are serious problems with the evolutionary paradigm.

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                  • #10
                    In all seriousness, I occasionally have glimpses of how God sees the world and in truth, I am not strong enough to bare it and I have to block it out. I am not suggesting you do that -- but I do understand how overwhelming it is. The world is evil there is no doubt of it. It will end sometime. You probably in your heart of hearts don't want to be here, but in heaven with Jesus. Until that happens we need to walk the path to get there and be the light of this world. To do so is a decision and then a habit.

                    As for me, I hope I will be able to be able to see the evil around me without being overcome. I think in your case, you are simply discerning what is disgusting to you and not processing the emotions that come with it. I hope we all have the strength to see clearly and still have joy.

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                    • #11
                      Hi Phaeton. I too have been joyless and depressed and seen things as hopeless. But there is another side as well where one can be filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory. I fear my unbending replies in other threads may have darkened anything I might say now. I would welcome the chance to speak with you about your feelings and about my feelings concerning joy and the experience of it and the lack of it.

                      May the Lord bless you and keep you and cause his face to shine upon you.
                      Matt 9:13
                      13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                      NASU

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
                        Hi Phaeton. I too have been joyless and depressed and seen things as hopeless. But there is another side as well where one can be filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory. I fear my unbending replies in other threads may have darkened anything I might say now. I would welcome the chance to speak with you about your feelings and about my feelings concerning joy and the experience of it and the lack of it.

                        May the Lord bless you and keep you and cause his face to shine upon you.
                        I hold no grudges BotherMark. Your replies were no more unbending than mine.

                        Feel free to speak with me anytime.

                        It is nice to know that at least people can understand how I feel, when nobody I know around me does.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by phaeton426 View Post
                          I hold no grudges BotherMark. Your replies were no more unbending than mine.

                          Feel free to speak with me anytime.

                          It is nice to know that at least people can understand how I feel, when nobody I know around me does.
                          I am glad to hear that Phaeton. (You told me your real name but I won't use it on the open board without your permission.)

                          I know you like to study and I am currently pressed for time. With that in mind... have you ever looked into hope or hopelessness in the scriptures? Sometimes the words aren't used even if they are illustrated. The valley of dry bones in Ezekiel is about having "no hope".

                          Remember when Jesus cursed the fig tree? That too can be about hope. Jesus took away it's purpose in life. Then it shriveled from the root up and died. He did not tell the tree to die but without purpose, it died.

                          I am just throwing a couple of things out. If you prefer more privacy you know where chat2mods is at or something else can be set up that is even more private.
                          Matt 9:13
                          13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                          NASU

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brother Mark View Post
                            I am glad to hear that Phaeton. (You told me your real name but I won't use it on the open board without your permission.)

                            I know you like to study and I am currently pressed for time. With that in mind... have you ever looked into hope or hopelessness in the scriptures? Sometimes the words aren't used even if they are illustrated. The valley of dry bones in Ezekiel is about having "no hope".

                            Remember when Jesus cursed the fig tree? That too can be about hope. Jesus took away it's purpose in life. Then it shriveled from the root up and died. He did not tell the tree to die but without purpose, it died.

                            I am just throwing a couple of things out. If you prefer more privacy you know where chat2mods is at or something else can be set up that is even more private.
                            Actually I don't care if you post my name on the open board. In case anybody is interested my name is Christian.

                            I will read the story of the valley of the dry bones today. I have read it before but it has been sometime. I am currently involved in a study of the fig tree, the vine, and the olive trees as well right now, so I do know about the story of the fig tree that is dried up.

                            Thanks for giving me some direction.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by phaeton426 View Post
                              Actually I don't care if you post my name on the open board. In case anybody is interested my name is Christian.

                              I will read the story of the valley of the dry bones today. I have read it before but it has been sometime. I am currently involved in a study of the fig tree, the vine, and the olive trees as well right now, so I do know about the story of the fig tree that is dried up.

                              Thanks for giving me some direction.
                              If I remember right, you like word studies. Check out the word bones in the OT and see where it leads you. If you want it spelled out, check out this thread.

                              http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=95631

                              If you want to see it for yourself, and do your own digging here are a few hints.

                              Jesus never suffered a broken bone. David's bones were crushed in Psalms 51. In a couple of Psalms, the Psalmist spoke of his bones crying out. Bones mean something more than just being our bones. I think they are a type of the soul.

                              Anyway, that is something to dig into if you want. There's some hints to follow around and it's all spelled out in the thread if you wish to read it. If it means anything, when I first came to this board, I caused big stink. That thread is part explanation for my behavior and part explanation for my healing.

                              I will be very interested in any insights the Lord gives you in your studies about this particular topic.
                              Matt 9:13
                              13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
                              NASU

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