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    The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled "Gott und Volk" had to say about children:

    “With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”

    And there are many more historical quotes and facts which prove this point about the Nazis:

    http://theendtimesblog.blogspot.com/...azi-party.html

    The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.
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  • #2
    You know, any time we run into whatever we consider to be the next great evil, it always gets compared to the Nazis. It gets tiring, sometimes.
    The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
    In the ranks of death ye will find him;
    His father's sword he hath girded on,
    And his wild harp slung behind him;
    "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
    "Tho' all the world betray thee,
    One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
    One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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    • #3
      Are you aware that when Jesus comes to rule and reign for the 1000 years, this world will be a socialist society. In fact that same socialist society will also carry over to the new heaven and new earth.
      I am a Christian man in the Devil's land, spreading the gospel man to man.
      Have you laid your burdens down?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MeerkatMadden View Post
        The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.
        Socialism is an economic construct. The in- or exclusion of religion from state-supported schools has nothing to do with economic policies; it is a social issue. And arguing that social liberals are like the Nazis is pretty much ridiculous: Socially, of course, the Nazi Party went 'round the far edge of extreme right-wing policies into the magical land of a totalitarian police state.

        Also, claiming that something is evil just because it looks vaguely like something the Nazi Party/Hitler did is a fairly well-known logical fallacy.
        "We are symbols and inhabit symbols; workmen, work, and tools, words and things, birth and death, all are emblems; but we sympathize with the symbols, and being infatuated with the economical uses of things, we do not know that they are thoughts." - Emerson, "The Poet" (Essays, Second Series)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Luke34 View Post
          Socialism is an economic construct. The in- or exclusion of religion from state-supported schools has nothing to do with economic policies; it is a social issue. And arguing that social liberals are like the Nazis is pretty much ridiculous: Socially, of course, the Nazi Party went 'round the far edge of extreme right-wing policies into the magical land of a totalitarian police state.

          Also, claiming that something is evil just because it looks vaguely like something the Nazi Party/Hitler did is a fairly well-known logical fallacy.
          I'm going to reduce everything to hitler from now on.
          The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
          In the ranks of death ye will find him;
          His father's sword he hath girded on,
          And his wild harp slung behind him;
          "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
          "Tho' all the world betray thee,
          One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
          One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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          • #6
            I think the issue is not so much that this is something that compares to something in the past, but the fact that it is allowed to continue to go on under an umbrella of a new name, for new reasons and for the sake of efficiency and society.

            It says in Ecclesiastes that there's nothing new under the sun, and therefore this should not be such a suprise. What is shocking though how long the enemy has been working on this scheme and that it's not been stopped, and that in fact it continues to this day.

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            Jer 6:16 Thus says the Lord: Stand at the crossroads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way lies; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls.
            2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
            If it's not done out of unselfish love, then it's hardly righteous.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Clavicula_Nox View Post
              I'm going to reduce everything to hitler from now on.
              Yeah, well, you know who else talked about Hitler all the time? Hitler.
              "We are symbols and inhabit symbols; workmen, work, and tools, words and things, birth and death, all are emblems; but we sympathize with the symbols, and being infatuated with the economical uses of things, we do not know that they are thoughts." - Emerson, "The Poet" (Essays, Second Series)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Luke34 View Post
                Yeah, well, you know who else talked about Hitler all the time? Hitler.
                I think we should ban cars. You know who wanted a affordable cars for all of his people? Hitler. Hitler loved cars.
                The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
                In the ranks of death ye will find him;
                His father's sword he hath girded on,
                And his wild harp slung behind him;
                "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
                "Tho' all the world betray thee,
                One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
                One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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                • #9
                  //Insert drive by post to the tune of Mambo #5:

                  A little bit of Nietzsche in my life
                  A little Mussolini by my side
                  A little bit of Stalin is all I need
                  A little bit of Hume is what I see
                  A little bit of Voltaire in the sun
                  A little bit of Lyotard all night long
                  A little bit of Derrida here I am
                  A little bit of deconstruction makes me your man

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                  • #10
                    since i have spent alot of time reading about hitler and the nazis, i can't help but chime in on this, though i'm not an expert on the subject.

                    but i can't resist: whenever i see the "liberals are like nazis" thing, combined with the "nazis hated Christianity" thing, i gotta jump up and down and wave my arms and say, "Well, it's true that hitler hated Christianity and wanted to wipe it out, but did you know that hitler represented himself as a believer, and his party as the protectors of Christianity, as long as it served his political purposes to do so?"

                    not unlike some present-day radio demagoges i could name....


                    (sorry, i don't know how to spell demagogs)

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                    • #11
                      The logical fallacy isn't actually a logical fallacy. For instance, if someone comes forward and says, "I think we should eliminate all weaker people and races and embrace national socialism," then we are justified in comparing the person to the Nazis or to Hitler. Likewise, if someone says, "We should kill babies with down syndrome or other genetic defects in the womb and outside the womb" we are again justified.

                      Instead, the reductio ad Hitlerum is a juvenile "fallacy" that is merely composed of different types of the association and cause fallacies.

                      Apologies on diverting, but it's one of my pet peeves when people bring this so-called 'fallacy' up.

                      More to the point of the topic:

                      Multiple governments have tried to remove Christianity from schools - communist governments, secular democracies, monarchies, Islamic - thus Facism is not the cause of Christianity being removed from schools.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by apothanein kerdos View Post
                        The logical fallacy isn't actually a logical fallacy. For instance, if someone comes forward and says, "I think we should eliminate all weaker people and races and embrace national socialism," then we are justified in comparing the person to the Nazis or to Hitler.
                        It might be correct that this person's ideas or some such are similar to Hitler's, and so comparisons could technically be drawn. However, it would still be fallacious to imply that these things are evil because Hitler supported them, which is what the Hitlerum fallacy involves. These things (ethnic cleansing, for example) are evil, but not because Hitler supported them--they were evil before that and they would be evil whether Hitler existed or not. Similarily, with ideas that are not accepted by all as inherently evil (socialism, for example), one cannot logically argue that they are de facto evil because Hitler agreed with them. It is possible to argue that Hitler's not-universally-abhorred concepts are wrong or evil, but this must be done by considering the concepts' content and effects, not its proponents.

                        Comparing opponents to Hitler means nothing in a logical sense, and is merely inflammatory for the sake of being so.
                        Last edited by Luke34; Jul 11th 2008, 03:25 AM.
                        "We are symbols and inhabit symbols; workmen, work, and tools, words and things, birth and death, all are emblems; but we sympathize with the symbols, and being infatuated with the economical uses of things, we do not know that they are thoughts." - Emerson, "The Poet" (Essays, Second Series)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Xel'Naga View Post
                          //Insert drive by post to the tune of Mambo #5:

                          A little bit of Nietzsche in my life
                          A little Mussolini by my side
                          A little bit of Stalin is all I need
                          A little bit of Hume is what I see
                          A little bit of Voltaire in the sun
                          A little bit of Lyotard all night long
                          A little bit of Derrida here I am
                          A little bit of deconstruction makes me your man
                          If I could rep you again, I would.
                          -- Your ~sister~ in Christ.... a "Kaffinated Kittykat"!!

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                          Love is not a place to come and go as we please
                          It's a house we enter in, then commit to never leave
                          So lock the door behind you, and throw away the key
                          We'll work it out together, let it bring us to our knees.....
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by apothanein kerdos View Post
                            The logical fallacy isn't actually a logical fallacy. For instance, if someone comes forward and says, "I think we should eliminate all weaker people and races and embrace national socialism," then we are justified in comparing the person to the Nazis or to Hitler. Likewise, if someone says, "We should kill babies with down syndrome or other genetic defects in the womb and outside the womb" we are again justified.

                            Instead, the reductio ad Hitlerum is a juvenile "fallacy" that is merely composed of different types of the association and cause fallacies.

                            Apologies on diverting, but it's one of my pet peeves when people bring this so-called 'fallacy' up.

                            More to the point of the topic:

                            Multiple governments have tried to remove Christianity from schools - communist governments, secular democracies, monarchies, Islamic - thus Facism is not the cause of Christianity being removed from schools.
                            Hitler could possibly have made an argument like that.
                            The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
                            In the ranks of death ye will find him;
                            His father's sword he hath girded on,
                            And his wild harp slung behind him;
                            "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
                            "Tho' all the world betray thee,
                            One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
                            One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Luke34 View Post
                              It might be correct that this person's ideas or some such are similar to Hitler's, and so comparisons could technically be drawn. However, it would still be fallacious to imply that these things are evil because Hitler supported them, which is what the Hitlerum fallacy involves. These things (ethnic cleansing, for example) are evil, but not because Hitler supported them--they were evil before that and they would be evil whether Hitler existed or not. Similarily, with ideas that are not accepted by all as inherently evil (socialism, for example), one cannot logically argue that they are de facto evil because Hitler agreed with them. It is possible to argue that Hitler's not-universally-abhorred concepts are wrong or evil, but this must be done by considering the concepts' content and effects, not its proponents.

                              Comparing opponents to Hitler means nothing in a logical sense, and is merely inflammatory for the sake of being so.
                              However, Hitler systematized it like none before him and was able to put it into a system that the general populace accepted, again, like no one else before him. Thus, such comparisons can be logically founded when we are appealing to the method of a person instituting his or her beliefs. This is why I think the fallacy is a joke as it just relies on other fallacies - why not have a Reductio ad Stalin or [/i]reductio ad Pol Pot[/i]? Instead, when referring to method, if the person is following a Hitler-like method, it's completely justifiable to compare the two.

                              My apologies, I just think that this fallacy is just a joke - it's merely combining multiple fallacies and applying them in the incorrect manner. If it just meant, "You can't compare something to Hitler to indicate its evil, you have to substantiate it further than that," I'd be fine, but then it wouldn't be a new logical fallacy, so there'd be no point in naming it.

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