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    Could everyone please give your best explanation of a lukewarm Christian. I have read a few verses but would just like to get others deeper in the faith of what Jesus means by this.

    Thanks
    God Bless

  • #2
    It tells us in scripture.

    They were rich and increased with goods and in need of nothing and knew not that they were poor, wretched, miserable, blind and naked. IMO they thought they had the God thing figured out and had stopped depending on Him.

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    • #3
      Note: This is only my opinion.

      I would tend to think its someone who comes to church on Sunday and does all the lip service but as far as actually having a relationship with God or knowing Gods word they haven't a clue.

      Its kind of like someone working at ABC job and yeah they show up do the bare minimum just to get a pay check. They don't like their job, they don't want to be there they just want the check.

      So in my opinion basically someone who doesn't really like going to church or worshiping God they are basically there because they want eternal life, but want no relationship or could care less about knowing what God wants.

      I don't want to be the one to tell people this, that have this attitude but if you don't like worship services here and don't want that relationship here. Then you probably wouldn't like heaven either...

      I for one can't wait to worship my loving God for all eternity.

      Anyway thats my opinion on the matter.
      Isaiah 6:8 "Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" We should always be willing to do God's bidding, seek ye first the kingdom of God.

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      • #4
        To understand lukewarm, you have to understand the church to whom the letter was addressed, namely, Laodicea.

        They had many things going for them...a place of trade and commerce, an industry in eye salve, wealth...but on the negative side, they had a distant water supply.

        By the time the water got to the city, the once cold spring fed water had been warmed...and is there anything worse than lukewarm water for drinking? Yuckadoo!

        A cold drink is great on a hot day, and a hot drink is good on a cold day...but when is a lukewarm drink ever good?

        Someone who is lukewarm, then, is of no benefit. They have the appearance of something good, but lack most of the qualities of something good. To quote another scripture, they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
        θεοφιλε

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        • #5
          I would have to agree with ths assessment!

          My Pastor uses a term..... "CEO" Chrirstians....."Christmas and Easter ONLY".......

          But I think that lukewarm refers to those who think that all they really need to know is that Jesus loves them because the Bible tells them so.....

          But to be honest and this is strictly my personal opinion.......

          I think that God allows us all to be a certain way...... you have your natural born leaders in the church....then you have your ones that are theological then you have your ones who get into the Word and learn and teach as much as you can...... I would say that those people make up about 10% of the church....... The other 90% are your midly warm to lukewarm Christians.......

          But I dont think that is a bad thing either....not everyone is cut out to lead, teach etc......

          And think about how even MORE jacked up a church would be if it was 90% leaders!
          "I love you, O LORD, my strength. The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold."
          -- (Psalm 18:1-2)

          "Those who wait on the Lord will gain new strength; they will mount up with wings like eagles, they will run and not get tired, they will walk ant not be weary" -- (Isaiah 40:31)

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          • #6
            I see a theme in this thread. People seem to want to place the idea of Lukewarm believers "out there" somewhere. Either to a church of Laodecia in the past, or other people who go to church today.

            The intent of this scripture is to cause all of us to look inside of ourselves and realize that we are all lukewarm. If we have never reached a point of understanding that verse is speaking directly to us, then that verse still does pertain to us.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joey Porter View Post
              I see a theme in this thread. People seem to want to place the idea of Lukewarm believers "out there" somewhere. Either to a church of Laodecia in the past, or other people who go to church today.

              The intent of this scripture is to cause all of us to look inside of ourselves and realize that we are all lukewarm. If we have never reached a point of understanding that verse is speaking directly to us, then that verse still does pertain to us.
              Its always us against them Joey, don't you know that? I agree though, God used this verse greatly in my life to let me know that I need Him as much now as the day He saved me. I am poor, wretched, miserable, blind and naked.
              Without Him of course.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joey Porter View Post
                I see a theme in this thread. People seem to want to place the idea of Lukewarm believers "out there" somewhere. Either to a church of Laodecia in the past, or other people who go to church today.

                The intent of this scripture is to cause all of us to look inside of ourselves and realize that we are all lukewarm. If we have never reached a point of understanding that verse is speaking directly to us, then that verse still does pertain to us.
                Well, it does have a historical setting, as the letter was addressed to that specific church at that time...a church with both a spiritual problem and a water problem The people of Laodicea knew what a lukewarm drink of water was at its worst, and the point of being spewed out of His mouth was driven home very firmly. Therefore, I was using the actual circumstance of their situation to make a point.

                I never intended for anyone to think, however, that this cannot be applied to contemporary times. I have, in fact, preached on this very passage and applied it to the present day.

                As for "all of us" being lukewarm...well, speak for yourself. I strive constantly to be a "pleasing drink" to the Lord...and while I may not always succeed, I don't fear being spewed, either!
                θεοφιλε

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joey Porter View Post
                  The intent of this scripture is to cause all of us to look inside of ourselves and realize that we are all lukewarm.
                  Interesting, considering Jesus Christ said He would vomit lukewarm believers out of His mouth...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joey Porter View Post
                    I see a theme in this thread. People seem to want to place the idea of Lukewarm believers "out there" somewhere. Either to a church of Laodecia in the past, or other people who go to church today.

                    The intent of this scripture is to cause all of us to look inside of ourselves and realize that we are all lukewarm. If we have never reached a point of understanding that verse is speaking directly to us, then that verse still does pertain to us.
                    Very good point.

                    To say that "John Doe" is lukewarm doesn't accomplish much of anything. But, to look at ourselves in the mirror and analyze our own walk with the Lord...that can be a valuable thing...not only for ourselves, but for the Body that we are a part of.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by melpointy View Post
                      Could everyone please give your best explanation of a lukewarm Christian. I have read a few verses but would just like to get others deeper in the faith of what Jesus means by this.

                      Thanks
                      God Bless
                      I don't think there's a real great description to those who are lukewarm. I think it's a matter of God discerning what each and everyone of our intentions are in doing various things. Some people may give to the poor, do many different things that are deemed good in this life, and still not by receptive to God's love. It's more or less a state of mind/heart when doing things, as oppossed to simply just one's actions.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Theophilus View Post
                        Well, it does have a historical setting, as the letter was addressed to that specific church at that time...a church with both a spiritual problem and a water problem The people of Laodicea knew what a lukewarm drink of water was at its worst, and the point of being spewed out of His mouth was driven home very firmly. Therefore, I was using the actual circumstance of their situation to make a point.

                        I never intended for anyone to think, however, that this cannot be applied to contemporary times. I have, in fact, preached on this very passage and applied it to the present day.

                        As for "all of us" being lukewarm...well, speak for yourself. I strive constantly to be a "pleasing drink" to the Lord...and while I may not always succeed, I don't fear being spewed, either!
                        Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Thanks Theo. Good stuff as usual.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Whispering Grace View Post
                          Interesting, considering Jesus Christ said He would vomit lukewarm believers out of His mouth...
                          What's interesting is if you really put things into context, God states that there is no one who is righteous and the hearts of all men are full of evil. So that says a lot about the conditions of men's hearts. Now I think one of the things to think about before we go labeling anyone as lukewarm, is to understand that we ourselves are all really in a lukeware state each time we approach God. We're really nothing more than miserable sinners, and if not for the grace of God..no one would be saved.

                          Stephen

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                          • #14
                            I think a luke warm Christian is a Christian who follows just part of what Christ taught us. It is a Christian who does not fully submit to the will of Christ, and often at times does not love his fellow man. Take for instance the commandment of thy shall not steal. Letís say a contractor found a way to beat one of his customers out of part of the work he originally agreed on, but at the end of the week he went to church and gave 10% of his income in the donation plate including 10% of the extra money he made on that job by cheating that customer and thought nothing of it. Well that is a lukewarm Christian. It is basically loving the lord with you mind and not your heart. It is like when Clinton told everyone that he did not have sexual relations with Ms Lewinsky when all the while he did (maybe not technically as according to legal standards) and was going to church claiming to be a good Christian. We can still see the grief from his wife over the issue today even through I am sure there was forgiveness over it, and she is a very polished person who can conceal many emotions. A lukewarm Christian is a Christian who follows part of the law.

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                            • #15
                              A luke warm christian is a believer or non believer who calls themselves a christian but they do not adhere to anything definite and specific as to their personal discipleship, calling, function, and destiny.

                              They basically just live their life after salvation as if nothing changed. They do expect a change of persona and lifestyle. They say things like that is not me, you are free to do as you wish, you have to follow your own way, I get to pick and choose my biblical convictions, and there are mutltiple wills of God.

                              A luke warm christian is not good for anything. They want to compromise and stand on the middle ground between God and the world. They ignore the call to sell out and take their own cross walk which follows Jesus. Hence they continue to follow their original self appointed way.
                              Edify the brethren, love the brethren, and forgive the brethren until I have nothing left.

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