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    Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
    Isa 13:20 It will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there; no shepherds will make their flocks lie down there.
    Isa 13:21 But wild animals will lie down there, and their houses will be full of howling creatures; there ostriches will dwell, and there wild goats will dance.
    Isa 13:22 Hyenas will cry in its towers, and jackals in the pleasant palaces; its time is close at hand and its days will not be prolonged.

    Babylon is modern Iraq, correct? This prophecy said it will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations and no Arab will pitch his tent there. "there" referring to the geographical location I suppose.

    However, we know today Iraq is occupied by people and Arabs do live there. So how do we reconcile this?
    Tit 3:2 to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

  • #2
    How does Babylon, play in from Rev.

    I think this one in Isaiah is still waiting on Rev to be fulfilled completely.

    Destroyed in a day, like Sodom.

    Perhaps after being rebuilt to all its glory it will get nuked and become a wasteland.

    Perhaps it is a Spiritual not physical Babylon.
    The description in Rev is about wealth and all the goods of the world being consumed by her. How the ships of the nations sat full of goods with no where to go when she was destroyed.

    Know any nation that fits the bill?
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    • #3
      Because this prophecy too sits hanging in limbo.

      Jerermiah 25:11


      11: And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
      12: And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.


      Last time the Babylonian empire was taken down after about only 66 or so years. Babylon has yet to get to the point of where she ruled the nations for 70 years - and held the holy site.


      Nebuchadnezzar - 605 ---------the 70 years began to clock down - till 539 when Cyrus the Persian took them over.

      So - Babylon never completed her 70 years. Jeremiah v 12 can't come to pass - untill Babylon first has ruled for 70 years.

      The man of sin will be the ruler of Iraq.

      605 -539 B.C. ----------now the world waits for the beast of Iraq to complete those 70 years
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      • #4
        Something I came across many years ago - is that there is a yoke story in the bible.


        Moses prophesied of this yoke of iron. Jeremiah 30 shows us that a yoke will break during the time of Jacob's trouble.


        All right - so here is where we learn about the coming yoke of iron.


        Deut. 28
        48: Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
        49: The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
        50: A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

        Moses was warning Israel that one day the yoke of iron would be placed on them.

        -----------------------so time began to unfold more - and years and years passed - then we come to something Jeremiah wrote as to yokes.

        ch2 / ch 2
        20: For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

        So before the days of Jeremiah - all of the previous yokes that had been on the neck of Israel were there no longer. They were done serving those nations.

        then - we come to this --------------
        > Jeremiah 27

        6: And now have I given all these lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
        7: And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.

        This began as to being yokes made of wood. A false prophet broke that part - was soon dead, and we Jeremiah 28:14.

        13: Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.
        14: For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

        So Babylon's days brought the curse on them that Moses had long ago propheised - the yoke of iron.
        Okay - since Babylon never had her 70 years, I see it as this curse is still sitting on the necks of the nations.

        Babylon's (Iraq's) land has yet to boss the nations some more ----and then we will get to where this yoke will finally break.


        Jeremiah 30

        7: Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
        8: For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

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        • #5
          Rev. 18 refers to the Babylon that made the nations drink.

          We find that was ancient Babylon as - Jeremiah wrote
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          15: For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.
          16: And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them. /Jer. 25


          Rev. 18

          2: And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
          3: For all nation have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
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          • #6
            Psalms
            11:6: Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
             
            73:10: Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
             
            75
            8: For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
             
            137:8: O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
            9: Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ThyWordIsTruth View Post
              Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
              Isa 13:20 It will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there; no shepherds will make their flocks lie down there.
              Isa 13:21 But wild animals will lie down there, and their houses will be full of howling creatures; there ostriches will dwell, and there wild goats will dance.
              Isa 13:22 Hyenas will cry in its towers, and jackals in the pleasant palaces; its time is close at hand and its days will not be prolonged.

              Babylon is modern Iraq, correct? This prophecy said it will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations and no Arab will pitch his tent there. "there" referring to the geographical location I suppose.

              However, we know today Iraq is occupied by people and Arabs do live there. So how do we reconcile this?
              The prophecy was fulfilled. It's a prophecy against the ancient Babylonian Empire. The Babylonian Empire was destroyed by the Medo-Persian alliance. Just 2 verses before what you quoted it mentions these Medes as being the force that would overtake them. Nebuchadnezzar's house has never re-emerged from this defeat. It's a prophecy about an end of a kingdom, not necessarily the end of a plot of ground.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by matthew94 View Post
                The prophecy was fulfilled. It's a prophecy against the ancient Babylonian Empire. The Babylonian Empire was destroyed by the Medo-Persian alliance. Just 2 verses before what you quoted it mentions these Medes as being the force that would overtake them. Nebuchadnezzar's house has never re-emerged from this defeat. It's a prophecy about an end of a kingdom, not necessarily the end of a plot of ground.
                This is correct..also Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild the ancient City of Babylon...you can't rebuild something if its already there.

                Saddam's Babylonian Palace

                From the ancient palace of Nebuchadnezzar to a lavish new palace for himself, Saddam Hussein used architecture to awe and intimidate.

                When Saddam Hussein rose to power in Iraq, he conceived a grandiose scheme to rebuild the ancient City of Babylon. Saddam Hussein said that Babylon's great palaces and the legendary hanging gardens of Babylon (one of the seven wonders of the ancient world) would rise from dust. Like the powerful King Nebuchadnezzar II who conquered Jerusalem 2,500 years ago, Saddam Hussein would rule over the world's greatest empire. The vaulting ambition of Saddam Hussein found expression in vaulting, and often pretentious, architecture.


                God bless
                "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by matthew94 View Post
                  The prophecy was fulfilled. It's a prophecy against the ancient Babylonian Empire. The Babylonian Empire was destroyed by the Medo-Persian alliance. Just 2 verses before what you quoted it mentions these Medes as being the force that would overtake them. Nebuchadnezzar's house has never re-emerged from this defeat. It's a prophecy about an end of a kingdom, not necessarily the end of a plot of ground.
                  100% true. In Rev. the city of Babylon was not mentioned until ch 16:19.

                  16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

                  Notice "came in remembrance", this does not mean that the city is going to be rebuilt, but it reminded God of Bablyon.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by moonglow View Post
                    This is correct..also Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild the ancient City of Babylon...you can't rebuild something if its already there.

                    Saddam's Babylonian Palace

                    From the ancient palace of Nebuchadnezzar to a lavish new palace for himself, Saddam Hussein used architecture to awe and intimidate.

                    When Saddam Hussein rose to power in Iraq, he conceived a grandiose scheme to rebuild the ancient City of Babylon. Saddam Hussein said that Babylon's great palaces and the legendary hanging gardens of Babylon (one of the seven wonders of the ancient world) would rise from dust. Like the powerful King Nebuchadnezzar II who conquered Jerusalem 2,500 years ago, Saddam Hussein would rule over the world's greatest empire. The vaulting ambition of Saddam Hussein found expression in vaulting, and often pretentious, architecture.

                    God bless
                    The ruins are still there, Saddam did try to rebuild it. But that went against what God commanded. What happened to Saddam Hussein?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chaston View Post
                      100% true. In Rev. the city of Babylon was not mentioned until ch 16:19.
                      Babylon is mentioned in chapter 14...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ThyWordIsTruth View Post
                        Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
                        Isa 13:20 It will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there; no shepherds will make their flocks lie down there.
                        Isa 13:21 But wild animals will lie down there, and their houses will be full of howling creatures; there ostriches will dwell, and there wild goats will dance.
                        Isa 13:22 Hyenas will cry in its towers, and jackals in the pleasant palaces; its time is close at hand and its days will not be prolonged.

                        Babylon is modern Iraq, correct? This prophecy said it will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations and no Arab will pitch his tent there. "there" referring to the geographical location I suppose.

                        However, we know today Iraq is occupied by people and Arabs do live there. So how do we reconcile this?
                        Babylon was located inside modern Iraq, but Babylon is not Iraq. Babylon was a city which remains in ruins today. God predicted that he was going to destroy it permanently with his fan (Jer 51:2) and broom (Isa 14:22-23), and he did, he brought the sand dunes moving from the saudi desert until they covered the whole city. No one knows exactly where it was located, the full extent. They found part of it but it remains covered with dirt, burried below the dirt, sunk below the surface, thus fulfilling Jer 51:64. No one lives in her because to live in her, would mean living underground.

                        Arabs might live over it not knowing what is beneath.

                        Shalom

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                        • #13
                          awwwww

                          I was excited for a moment...

                          But the original city of Babylon was destroyed by neglect and abandonment

                          there is another prophesy talking about babylon and I was looking forward to a discussion about it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by markedward View Post
                            Babylon is mentioned in chapter 14...
                            I stand corrected. Thank you, brother!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chaston View Post
                              The ruins are still there, Saddam did try to rebuild it. But that went against what God commanded. What happened to Saddam Hussein?
                              Yep...he seemed to admire Nebuchadnezzar very much..

                              From that same link I posted before:

                              Nebuchadnezzar's Palace
                              In 1982, Saddam's workers began reconstructing Babylon's most imposing building, the 600-room palace of King Nebuchadnezzar II. Archaeologists were horrified. Many said that to rebuild on top of ancient artifacts does not preserve history, but disfigures it. The original bricks, which rise two or three feet from the ground, bear ancient inscriptions praising Nebuchadnezzar. Above these, Saddam Hussein's workers laid more than 60-million sand-colored bricks inscribed with the words, "In the era of Saddam Hussein, protector of Iraq, who rebuilt civilization and rebuilt Babylon." The new bricks began to crack after only ten years.


                              It goes on to say while he was spending huge amounts of money on this, his own people were dying of starvation. He was indeed a ruthless man.

                              One time some years ago when I was reading about this, the workers seemed to think the place was cursed because strange things kept happening to ruin or prevent their work. No one wanted to do the work because of this. They were really spooked by whatever was going on. Wish I could find that article again.

                              Here is an interesting one though: Rebuilding Babylon: A fight between God of the bible and his enemies.

                              God bless
                              "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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