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    Where does it say Satan is an angel?

    I cant find it.

    Could it be that Satan is a principality or power?
    Be Holy!

  • #2
    Could be 2 Cor 11:14 is what you are thinking.

    For the cause of Christ
    Roger

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    • #3
      Originally posted by IsItLove? View Post
      Where does it say Satan is an angel?

      I cant find it.

      Could it be that Satan is a principality or power?


      As far as the intelligent kind, there's only 3 classes of beings, isn't there? God, angels, and man. Since we know that he is not of the class of God nor man, that only leaves the class of angels. IMO, even if a passage can't be found that specifically identifies satan as an angel, it shouldn't matter, since the Bible never records another class of beings that I know of, besides these 3. Genesis 3 seems to imply that satan is a beast of the field. This could be in a spiritual sense tho.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by IsItLove? View Post
        Where does it say Satan is an angel?

        I cant find it.
        Here are the most common passages attributed to Satan that give the notion he is/was an angel (or demon/aka fallen angel).

        2 Corinthians 11:14 "for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

        Ezekiel tells uses personification of the King of Tyre to describe a post-fall Satan here: (Also read Ezekiel 31, which some believe is another personification of Satan being applied to Pharoah of Egypt)

        28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

        Isaiah uses the King of Babylon as a personification of Satan, using the name 'Lucifer' to reference him here:

        14:11 "Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. "


        John speaks of a battle in Heaven between holy angels mustered by Michael; and Satan and his angels; making references to the above passages that spoke of Satan being cast down to the Earth:

        Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. "



        Some interpret the following passage in Job to denote an ancient meeting that God held with Satan and the other angels after Satan's fall:

        Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."


        Some also interpret the Angel Apollyon to be Satan based on linking these verses:

        Revelation 9:11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
        Revelation 12:3 "and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."
        Revelation 17:3,8 "a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

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        • #5
          Could satan be a Cherub?

          Originally posted by IsItLove? View Post
          Where does it say Satan is an angel?

          I cant find it.

          Could it be that Satan is a principality or power?

          A light has just gone up in mind: It seems there is some confusion here - I guess what you mean is "What order of angels does satan belong to?" (If this isn't what you meant I apologize)

          If this is the case, then it is indeed an interesting question, and I myself was considering starting a thread on this topic.
          All heavenly beings are angels, but there are different classes.

          The general assumption is that satan is an archangel. Nowhere in the Bible does it state he is an archangel, but he is certainly the leader of the powers of darkness on Earth. A leader is usually a stronger being than his/her followers.

          For clarification's sake:
          1. Angels are heavenly beings.
          2. There are different classes of angels: Thrones, Principalities, Powers, Seraphims, Cherubs, Archangels and (normal) angels (such as the messenger angels, guardian angels, warrior angels, those who minister to God and to people, etc.). They are all angels, but they often look different and some are more powerful than others.

          If satan is indeed a cherub, it would mean that he is actually higher and more powerful than an archangel.

          Ezekiel 28:12-19 is very interesting. This is a prophecy brought against the King of Tyre (as opposed to the ruler of Tyre who is addressed in the first half of Ezekiel 28). Many scholars believe this prophecy to be directed at satan and I agree with them. If this is indeed so, and I believe it is, then satan is actually a Cherub and not a (normal) angel. Cherubim are of a higher order of angels and therefore much more powerful. Also, he was not just any cherub, but one who was appointed a guardian cherub in the Garden of Eden. This would also explain why he was present and able to communicate with Eve.

          Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "‘You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
          13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
          14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
          15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.
          16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.
          17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendour. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.
          18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching.
          19 All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.’"
          (NIV - bold letters mine)
          Last edited by paidforinfull; Dec 21st 2009, 05:13 PM. Reason: Altered post for clarification sake.
          Jeremiah 29:11
          "For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." (NASB)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by paidforinfull View Post
            then satan is actually a Cherub and not an angel. Cherubim are of a higher order than angels and therefore much more powerful. Also, he was not just any cherub

            In the military, generals are of a higher order than privates. Does this mean that generals aren't human?


            Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

            If there is another entirely different type of species, such as cherubs, who are not angels, then I wonder why it wouldn't say that Jesus was made a little lower than them too? If cherubs are not included in the class of angels, this basically means that cherubs are equal to Jesus. We know this can't be so, because only God is equal to Jesus, because Jesus is God.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by divaD View Post
              In the military, generals are of a higher order than privates. Does this mean that generals aren't human?

              Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

              If there is another entirely different type of species, such as cherubs, who are not angels, then I wonder why it wouldn't say that Jesus was made a little lower than them too? If cherubs are not included in the class of angels, this basically means that cherubs are equal to Jesus. We know this can't be so, because only God is equal to Jesus, because Jesus is God.
              I have changed my original post for clarification's sake. (I apologize if I was unclear - I think I misunderstood the OP)

              1. Angels are heavenly beings.
              2. There are different classes of angels: Thrones, Principalities, Powers, Seraphims, Cherubs, Archangels and (normal) angels (such as the messenger angels, guardian angels, warrior angels, those who minister to God and to people, etc.). They are all angels, but they often look different and some are more powerful than others.

              When I said satan is not an angel, I meant he is not one of the lower classes of angels (what people commonly think of as an angel), and he is not an archangel (such as Gabriel) who are angelic leaders. Cherubs are not a different species of angels, but they are of a higher order. They also look different (as described in Ezekiel). If satan is a cherub, it would mean that he is actually higher and more powerful than an archangel.

              I hope this is more clear.
              Jeremiah 29:11
              "For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." (NASB)

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              • #8
                This whole "different classes of angels" thing is a man-made tradition from the Middle Ages. It's not in Scripture. Someone took a verse written by Paul drastically out of context.

                First. "Thrones" and "principalities" and "powers" are not "classes" of angels. Actually read the verses that mentions these things. Colossians 1.16. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that God himself is responsible for any power of authority, whether in heaven or on earth. And Ephesians 1.21. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that Christ had been exalted above all powers of authority, for all time.

                Second. The cherubim and the seraphim are not once called "angels" in Scripture. You can't claim there's a whole class of angels called "cherubim" or "seraphim" if they're never identified as "angels". If you're going to claim that Satan used to be a cherub, you can't claim he was also an angel. He's one or the other, not both.

                Third. Scripture never says that there is more than one "archangel". The term is used only twice in all of the Bible, and both times it is used with the article "the"... the "archangel" is a one-of-a-kind individual. If you're going to claim that Satan was a cherub, he certainly can't be an archangel. And if you're going to claim that Satan was an archangel... you're blatantly contradicting Scripture, which only ever mentions one "archangel".
                To This Day

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by David Taylor View Post
                  every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
                  Wow, thanks much.
                  This actually confirmed a dream.

                  Glory to God!
                  Be Holy!

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for your post.
                    Is the hierarchy and roles of the angelic types known?
                    Last edited by David Taylor; Dec 21st 2009, 06:24 PM. Reason: removed anti-trinity comment
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by markedward View Post
                      ...The cherubim and the seraphim are not once called "angels" in Scripture. You can't claim there's a whole class of angels called "cherubim" or "seraphim" if they're never identified as "angels". If you're going to claim that Satan used to be a cherub, you can't claim he was also an angel. He's one or the other, not both.
                      All heavenly beings are angels.

                      Originally posted by markedward View Post
                      Scripture never says that there is more than one "archangel". The term is used only twice in all of the Bible, and both times it is used with the article "the"... the "archangel" is a one-of-a-kind individual. If you're going to claim that Satan was a cherub, he certainly can't be an archangel. And if you're going to claim that Satan was an archangel... you're blatantly contradicting Scripture, which only ever mentions one "archangel".
                      Yes, as I said, if satan is a Cherub he can't be an archangel.

                      Now, you are totally wrong about Michael being the only archangel. In Jude 1:9 Michael is referred to as an archangel, and in Daniel 10:13 he is called ONE of the chief princes, which certainly indicates that there are others like him.

                      I quote from Scripture:

                      Jude 1:9 "But even the archangel Michael, ..."

                      and

                      Daniel 10:13 "...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."

                      If you are interested you can read my post titled 'A Short Study on Angels" by following this link - http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=198540

                      (markedward, I think you should be more careful before accusing people of 'blatantly contradicting Scripture' in future.)
                      Jeremiah 29:11
                      "For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." (NASB)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by markedward View Post
                        This whole "different classes of angels" thing is a man-made tradition from the Middle Ages. It's not in Scripture. Someone took a verse written by Paul drastically out of context.

                        First. "Thrones" and "principalities" and "powers" are not "classes" of angels. Actually read the verses that mentions these things. Colossians 1.16. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that God himself is responsible for any power of authority, whether in heaven or on earth. And Ephesians 1.21. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that Christ had been exalted above all powers of authority, for all time.

                        Second. The cherubim and the seraphim are not once called "angels" in Scripture. You can't claim there's a whole class of angels called "cherubim" or "seraphim" if they're never identified as "angels". If you're going to claim that Satan used to be a cherub, you can't claim he was also an angel. He's one or the other, not both.
                        I agree.
                        Still, Just because something is not said, does not negate its possibility does it?

                        Originally posted by markedward View Post
                        Third. Scripture never says that there is more than one "archangel". The term is used only twice in all of the Bible, and both times it is used with the article "the"... the "archangel" is a one-of-a-kind individual. If you're going to claim that Satan was a cherub, he certainly can't be an archangel. And if you're going to claim that Satan was an archangel... you're blatantly contradicting Scripture, which only ever mentions one "archangel".
                        Perhaps he was replaced?
                        It seems more of a role or position rather then a type?
                        Or is there no separation between role and form?
                        Be Holy!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by IsItLove? View Post
                          Perhaps he was replaced?
                          It seems more of a role or position rather then a type?
                          Or is there no separation between role and form?
                          I quote here from one of my previous posts:

                          Michael is not the only archangel. In Jude 1:9 Michael is referred to as an archangel, and in Daniel 10:13 he is called ONE of the chief princes, which certainly indicates that there are others like him.

                          I quote from Scripture:

                          Jude 1:9 "But even the archangel Michael, ..."

                          and

                          Daniel 10:13 "...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."
                          Jeremiah 29:11
                          "For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." (NASB)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by markedward View Post
                            This whole "different classes of angels" thing is a man-made tradition from the Middle Ages. It's not in Scripture. Someone took a verse written by Paul drastically out of context.

                            First. "Thrones" and "principalities" and "powers" are not "classes" of angels. Actually read the verses that mentions these things. Colossians 1.16. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that God himself is responsible for any power of authority, whether in heaven or on earth. And Ephesians 1.21. Paul is not speaking about angels here. He is stating that Christ had been exalted above all powers of authority, for all time.

                            Second. The cherubim and the seraphim are not once called "angels" in Scripture. You can't claim there's a whole class of angels called "cherubim" or "seraphim" if they're never identified as "angels". If you're going to claim that Satan used to be a cherub, you can't claim he was also an angel. He's one or the other, not both.

                            Third. Scripture never says that there is more than one "archangel". The term is used only twice in all of the Bible, and both times it is used with the article "the"... the "archangel" is a one-of-a-kind individual. If you're going to claim that Satan was a cherub, he certainly can't be an archangel. And if you're going to claim that Satan was an archangel... you're blatantly contradicting Scripture, which only ever mentions one "archangel".
                            What is a cheribum or cherub and were there, are there other creatures in heaven other than the angelic beings???
                            If Satan can keep us busy swinging our swords at one another, there is no hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness. KJV, NIV, ESV or ABCDEFG; there is no time to bicker over such things. We'll devour each other if allowed to continue. We should grab the marching orders written in the way we best understand and get to work.

                            Andrew_no_one




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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IsItLove? View Post

                              Thanks for your post.
                              Is the hierarchy and roles of the angelic types known?
                              The Bible teaches there are basically 3 classes of beings..God, angelic, man. I'm not aware of another type..one that wouldn't fit into one of these 3 categories. And I'm not talking about animals, etc. Clearly that is another type..except they can't communicate with God the way angels and man can.
                              Last edited by David Taylor; Dec 21st 2009, 06:25 PM. Reason: removed anti-trinity quote, and reply portion

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