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    This came up at a devotional at the start of a business meeting last night and I thought it would be a good discussion topic:-

    Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Cor 9:24-27 NIV

    It made me think of these other passages:-

    Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Phil 3:12-14 NIV

    I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. 2 Tim 4:7-8 NIV

    Paul does not specifically state in the 1 Corinthians or Philippians passages what the prize is - he calls it "the crown of righteousness" in 2 Timothy - but what is this? And is it the same as the prize in the other two passages?

    I have my own views but I thought it would be good to have an open discussion about it - with Scripture verses, please!

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    The prize before us

    Originally posted by 9Marksfan View Post
    This came up at a devotional at the start of a business meeting last night and I thought it would be a good discussion topic:-

    Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Cor 9:24-27 NIV

    It made me think of these other passages:-

    Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Phil 3:12-14 NIV

    I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. 2 Tim 4:7-8 NIV

    Paul does not specifically state in the 1 Corinthians or Philippians passages what the prize is - he calls it "the crown of righteousness" in 2 Timothy - but what is this? And is it the same as the prize in the other two passages?

    I have my own views but I thought it would be good to have an open discussion about it - with Scripture verses, please!

    This is an interesting discussion subject. I have to work this morning, but maybe will get back on this later this evening. In the meantime, some more interesting thoughts may be posted.
    "I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High." Psalm 9:2

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 9Marksfan View Post
      This came up at a devotional at the start of a business meeting last night and I thought it would be a good discussion topic:-

      Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Cor 9:24-27 NIV

      It made me think of these other passages:-

      Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Phil 3:12-14 NIV

      I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. 2 Tim 4:7-8 NIV

      Paul does not specifically state in the 1 Corinthians or Philippians passages what the prize is - he calls it "the crown of righteousness" in 2 Timothy - but what is this? And is it the same as the prize in the other two passages?

      I have my own views but I thought it would be good to have an open discussion about it - with Scripture verses, please!
      I believe the prize to be the inheritance of the millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
      "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 9Marksfan View Post
        This came up at a devotional at the start of a business meeting last night and I thought it would be a good discussion topic:-

        Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Cor 9:24-27 NIV

        Quick thoughts this morning: This passage is about personal commitment and focus... It's not necessarily about competition, but Paul's relating the Greek Olympics competition to that of faith in Jesus Christ. "Run in such a way that you may win.." run committed, determined, trained, focused, driven.... putting Jesus above all things in all ways...


        The Prize then, you may ask?

        We are Sanctified, Justified... and Glorified.... Being Born of His Spirit, our spirit units with Christ's Spirit, but our bodies still suffer from the 'sin hang-over'... [Romans 7] But one day, both our spirit - which is in and of Christ, and our bodies, which is still in sin - will be both perfected and glorified...

        [And these works of running have been given to us by God for us to walk in, thus the race to those for whom it has been given will finish with the prize of His righteousness bestowed upon us.]

        For His glory...
        "Enter by the Narrow Gate...
        Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way...
        ... there are few who find it."


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        * All Scripture when quoted is taken from:

        The New American Standard Bible®,
        Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973,
        1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation
        Used by permission." (www.Lockman.org)

        Italics, bold, color and/or underline are added for emphasis

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Redeemed by Grace View Post
          Quick thoughts this morning: This passage is about personal commitment and focus... It's not necessarily about competition, but Paul's relating the Greek Olympics competition to that of faith in Jesus Christ. "Run in such a way that you may win.." run committed, determined, trained, focused, driven.... putting Jesus above all things in all ways...


          The Prize then, you may ask?

          We are Sanctified, Justified... and Glorified.... Being Born of His Spirit, our spirit units with Christ's Spirit, but our bodies still suffer from the 'sin hang-over'... [Romans 7] But one day, both our spirit - which is in and of Christ, and our bodies, which is still in sin - will be both perfected and glorified...

          [And these works of running have been given to us by God for us to walk in, thus the race to those for whom it has been given will finish with the prize of His righteousness bestowed upon us.]

          For His glory...
          If you believe that these things are the prize, what do you believe the gift is?
          "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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          • #6
            Every Christian has the opportunity to receive rewards (crowns) by finishing their race as a Christian. Like Paul says, only the one who finishes gets the prize (reward). There will be many Christians who drop out of their race and will earn no rewards. It will be a regretful day when they have no crowns to lay at the feet of the Father.

            I have a list of the crowns, but not on my laptop. I would suggest going to biblegateway and look up the word 'crown'. Each crown represents a certain Christian duty or characteristic (witnessing, pure character, etc).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
              If you believe that these things are the prize, what do you believe the gift is?
              Faith .
              "Enter by the Narrow Gate...
              Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way...
              ... there are few who find it."


              -----------------------------------------------

              * All Scripture when quoted is taken from:

              The New American Standard Bible®,
              Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973,
              1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation
              Used by permission." (www.Lockman.org)

              Italics, bold, color and/or underline are added for emphasis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                Every Christian has the opportunity to receive rewards (crowns) by finishing their race as a Christian. Like Paul says, only the one who finishes gets the prize (reward). There will be many Christians who drop out of their race and will earn no rewards. It will be a regretful day when they have no crowns to lay at the feet of the Father.

                I have a list of the crowns, but not on my laptop. I would suggest going to biblegateway and look up the word 'crown'. Each crown represents a certain Christian duty or characteristic (witnessing, pure character, etc).
                Does that mean they still go to Heaven?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 2 Peter 2:20 View Post
                  Does that mean they still go to Heaven?
                  Absolutely! There will be those who shine brighter in their resurrected bodies than others.....which is all dependent on if we finish our Christian race.

                  "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." I Cor 15:35-41

                  "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Daniel 12:3

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                  • #10
                    5 Crowns - From Strand Study Bible

                    The 5 Crowns a Christian Can Win
                    (“The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,” Rev 4:10)



                    This word (crowns) comes from the Greek word “stejanouV” (stephanous), which is used to describe the crowns (i.e., rewards) that a Christian can earn. The word used here is notdiadema,” which is the word used to describe the crowns worn by royalty or supernatural beings (Rev 12:3 & 13:1 & 19:12).

                    According to the Bible, there are five different crowns (stephanos) that a Christian can win:

                    1. The Crown of Life (i.e., The Survivor’s Award - Jms 1:12 and Rev 2:10)

                    2. The Crown of Rejoicing (i.e., The Soulwinner’s Award- I Thes 2:19, II Cor 1:14 and Phil 4:1)

                    3. The Incorruptible Crown (i.e., The Spiritual Character Award - I Cor 9:24-25 and II Tim 2:5)

                    4. The Crown of Glory (i.e., The Shepherd’s Award - I Pet 5:4)

                    5. The Crown of Righteousness (i.e., The Steadfast Award - II Tim 4:7-8)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                      Absolutely! There will be those who shine brighter in their resurrected bodies than others.....which is all dependent on if we finish our Christian race.

                      "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." I Cor 15:35-41

                      "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Daniel 12:3
                      If they get to go to Heaven then how can you describe it as a regretful day?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 2 Peter 2:20 View Post
                        If they get to go to Heaven then how can you describe it as a regretful day?
                        Because they will have nothing to lay at the Father's feet. Some people will get to heaven just by the skin of their teeth, and the regret they feel will not go away until after the millenium. Basically there will be some Christians sucking their thumbs in heaven over how they lived their lives here on earth.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sold Out View Post
                          Because they will have nothing to lay at the Father's feet. Some people will get to heaven just by the skin of their teeth, and the regret they feel will not go away until after the millenium. Basically there will be some Christians sucking their thumbs in heaven over how they lived their lives here on earth.
                          But those who just get in "by the skin of their teeth" will still get the greatest reward...eternal life. That don't sound like something I would regret.

                          Do you have scripture reference for this regret/thumb sucking and that it lasts for a 1000 years?

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                          • #14
                            Interesting comments so far - keep 'em coming!

                            I'll not state my full position just yet, but here's another verse that intrigued me, that ties in with the 1 Cor 15 passage from Sold Out:-

                            ...others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. Heb 11:35 NKJV

                            Now - these people were believers, right? If they had accepted deliverance, would they have been lost forever? Of course not! Would their reward in heaven have been less? I think so. What does the writer say the reward is? A better resurrection! Does this mean a more glorious body? Can't see what else it means!

                            Here's a great analogy I heard some time ago - all who are in heaven will have been perfected forever - but some will shine more brightly than others, just like a 40w bulb shining to its full capacity isn't as bright as a 200w one - or a 1000w one! I think this is what will happen - but one issue I would have to take with Strand's Study Bible - Christians never earn anything! EVERYTHING God gives us is as a result of His grace - but is there a connection between faithfulness here and reward later? You bet!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 9Marksfan View Post
                              This came up at a devotional at the start of a business meeting last night and I thought it would be a good discussion topic:-

                              Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Cor 9:24-27 NIV

                              It made me think of these other passages:-

                              Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Phil 3:12-14 NIV

                              I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. 2 Tim 4:7-8 NIV

                              Paul does not specifically state in the 1 Corinthians or Philippians passages what the prize is - he calls it "the crown of righteousness" in 2 Timothy - but what is this? And is it the same as the prize in the other two passages?

                              I have my own views but I thought it would be good to have an open discussion about it - with Scripture verses, please!
                              The question with these passages is that as
                              the resurrection and the rewards are together, it appears like that salvation is by personal effort.


                              What is your assessment of punishment for that who received one talent in Mt 25: 30.?

                              others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. Heb 11:35 NKJV
                              Thank for show this.


                              Blessings.

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