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    I've been watching the drama between Russia and Georgia lately and have been observing it very closely, any one else here agree with me that this event could be a sign of the old Soviet Empire rising again before our eyes?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
    I've been watching the drama between Russia and Georgia lately and have been observing it very closely, any one else here agree with me that this event could be a sign of the old Soviet Empire rising again before our eyes?
    True, that could be the case. It could also be a sign of more U.S. imperialistic expansion...I guess it always depends on what color the glasses are one is looking through.
    "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
      True, that could be the case. It could also be a sign of more U.S. imperialistic expansion...I guess it always depends on what color the glasses are one is looking through.
      True, it could have two meanings, I didn't even think about. I don't really agree with the U.S. imperialism thing since the way I see it, based on how poorly this country is being run and how things seem very bleak in America right now (bunch of idiots running/ruining this country, I have ZERO faith in Washington right now, persistently bad economy, wide open borders/home insecurity, and a whole laundry list more but I'm not going there), but you do make a good point. I personally believe that within the next 50 years America is going to fall apart completely and view this Georgia crisis as evidence of Russia preparing to fill the void that we'll be leaving, much like we did in 91 after the Soviet Union collapsed. I have a very pessimistic outlook when it comes to the future of America unfortunately.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
        True, it could have two meanings, I didn't even think about. I don't really agree with the U.S. imperialism thing since the way I see it, based on how poorly this country is being run and how things seem very bleak in America right now (bunch of idiots running/ruining this country, I have ZERO faith in Washington right now, persistently bad economy, wide open borders/home insecurity, and a whole laundry list more but I'm not going there), but you do make a good point. I personally believe that within the next 50 years America is going to fall apart completely and view this Georgia crisis as evidence of Russia preparing to fill the void that we'll be leaving, much like we did in 91 after the Soviet Union collapsed. I have a very pessimistic outlook when it comes to the future of America unfortunately.
        Good points all. I share the same pessimistic perspective. We're badly in need of revival and if revival doesn't come, I fear judgment will.
        "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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        • #5
          U.S. imperialistic expansion

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
            I've been watching the drama between Russia and Georgia lately and have been observing it very closely, any one else here agree with me that this event could be a sign of the old Soviet Empire rising again before our eyes?
            No I don't believe it is the old rising. Russia has made great strides since the collapse of the USSR.

            Some of our politicians make this look like Russia's fault and seem to want to compare it to past USSR activity. Nothing is further from the truth.

            During the night of Aug 8 Georgia launched a military attack killing hundreds of peacekeepers and civilians, and resulting in some 30,000 refugees. Of course Russia had to respond. Who else is going to help these people.

            There has been a "fragile" peace in South Ossetia, which the Georgia political leader, president Mikheil Saakashvili, has now upset. And he did so against the wishes of his own people. Both Russian and Georgia Orthodox Christians are calling for an end to this blood shed and violence of Christians.

            Since 1992 Russia and Georgia were to be in a joint peace keeping operation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

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            • #7
              Russia is backsliding into what it was before 1991.

              TBILISI, GEORGIA – Virtually everyone believes Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili foolishly provoked a Russian invasion on August 7, 2008, when he sent troops into the breakaway district of South Ossetia. “The warfare began Aug. 7 when Georgia launched a barrage targeting South Ossetia,” the Associated Press reported over the weekend in typical fashion.


              Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn't start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.


              Read the whole article here

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redeemedbyhim View Post
                U.S. imperialistic expansion
                Troops in 144 out of 192 countries. Over 1,000 "military advisers" in Georgia, many of whom are Blackwater mercenaries
                "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                  Troops in 144 out of 192 countries.
                  An embassy with three marines guarding it hardly counts, and that's the only way we have troops in 144 countries.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fenris View Post
                    An embassy with three marines guarding it hardly counts, and that's the only way we have troops in 144 countries.
                    Please see the following rebuttal to your argument:

                    Guarding the Empire by Laurence Vance
                    "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." - Revelation 20:6

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MidnightsPaleGlow View Post
                      I've been watching the drama between Russia and Georgia lately and have been observing it very closely, any one else here agree with me that this event could be a sign of the old Soviet Empire rising again before our eyes?
                      It could be. Looking at it through very cynical eyes it could be a distraction to keep the eyes of the world away from another area.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                        Please see the following rebuttal to your argument:

                        Guarding the Empire by Laurence Vance
                        Your article really doesn't rebut my point.

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                        • #13
                          im·pe·ri·al·ism /ɪmˈpɪəriəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[im-peer-ee-uh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
                          –noun 1.the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.



                          U.S. imperialistic expansion

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rufus_1611 View Post
                            Troops in 144 out of 192 countries. Over 1,000 "military advisers" in Georgia, many of whom are Blackwater mercenaries
                            Please.

                            Blackwater is not the only security firm in the country or the world.

                            *edit*

                            I'm not going to waste my time or energy breaking down our force composition in Georgia.
                            The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
                            In the ranks of death ye will find him;
                            His father's sword he hath girded on,
                            And his wild harp slung behind him;
                            "Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
                            "Tho' all the world betray thee,
                            One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
                            One faithful harp shall praise thee!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by redeemedbyhim View Post
                              U.S. imperialistic expansion
                              We're imperialist because we export our culture. You know, big macs and Hollywood.

                              If you want an example of real imperialism, look at Germany in the 30s and 40s or the Soviet Union from the 20s until 1991.

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