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    Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

    So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?

  • #2
    Originally posted by chad View Post
    Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22),
    Could it be that they did eat of it, but were no longer allowed to?
    This IGNORE button is by far one of the most useful tools I've used to keep my peace while navigating through some of the madness.

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    • #3
      It depends on how you define life. Spiritual death occurs when one sins but we all have eternal spirits and each persons spirit will live on through
      eternity in one of two places. So if you look at it that way then I suppose we are born with an eternal existence but I wouldn't confuse the issue
      by calling it eternal life. 1 John 5:12
      Matthew 21:22

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      • #4
        and this is where when someone makes an assumption on scriptures,
        Seeing it never said they had not ate of the tree of life.
        yet his action was to stop them from eating it,
        it really does not say here but what about the breath of Life?
        and man does not live by bread alone, but from the breath (words) of God?

        וַיֹּאמֶר = and to say/ (if a word starts with a "וַ" it is a and)
        יְהוָה = YHVH (name of God)
        אֱלֹהִים, = 'elohiym {el-o-heem'} (KJV translates it as God, rulers or judges,
        הֵן = Behold / Lo "to calling attention to some fact upon which action is to be taken"
        הָאָדָם = The Man (seeing Adam's name means Man. add a atricle הָ = The)
        הָיָה = has became, take place, come about, come to pass
        כְּאַחַד= Like (כְּ) Them, the other, One/s, another
        מִמֶּנּוּ, = Decided or reasoned ,expressing the idea of separation, (that they will decided what is Good and evil)
        לָדַעַת, = (To ="לָ") learn, to know, to perceive
        טוֹב= Good, a good thing
        וָרָע; = And "וַ" Evil, bad;
        וְעַתָּה = and Now
        פֶּן-יִשְׁלַח = Lest to send
        יָדוֹ, = Hand
        וְלָקַח = and to take, take and carry along with oneself
        גַּם = also
        מֵעֵץ = From Tree
        הַחַיִּים, = The Life
        וְאָכַל, = and to consume, Eat
        וָחַי = and to live
        לְעֹלָם. = to, into/ long duration, antiquity (for ever)

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        And please check it out for your self.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chad View Post
          Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

          So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?
          How are you defining eternal life? We have eternal life and have past from death to life but are still mortal in constitution. We have the Spirit. Anything the Spirit dwells in will live forever. Did they have the Spirit? It doesn't say they did. We can take an educated guess they did. We know as long as they had access to the tree of life they would live forever. The tree of life shows up again in the future for the same purpose. That said, there is no scripture that even implies they were created and made in their constitution to live forever. That's what the tree of life was for and as long as they could access the tree of life there was no physical death (Rom 5:12) -separation from this natural world. Very good is not perfect. Very good is for His will and purpose from the foundation of the earth -mortal man glorified in Christ. There is however scripture that says the first man was earthy, natural, corruptible -1Cor 15. Man was created mortal with provision from God to escape corruption. That's what scripture says. Very plainly I might add. It's not debatable, since there is not even one verse that even implies otherwise.

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          • #6
            Death involves separation. Those that die the second death will forever be separated from God.. the source of Life. They, being separated eternally will exist suffering throughout eternity... certainly the saddest subject.
            ♪ Each day may Christ become clearer, His Cross dearer, Our Hope nearer. ♫

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chad View Post
              Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

              So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?
              No. The idea of the eternal soul comes from Plato, not the Bible.

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              • #8
                There are two deaths possible and because of the number of "Christians" by osmoses, and linage I'll put it this way, the followers of Christ and the Fire Insurance policy holders will only experience the First Death, the Natural Death. Those that do not follow Christ and have not payed for their Fire Insurance will experience the First and the Second Death. The Second is the eternal separation from from God.

                So, if the information your seeking is does anyone just Wink Out at the natural death the answer is no. We are created, every one of us in the image of God and that is, perhaps, one of the most misunderstood concepts taught in the scriptures. Every human on the Earth is created in this image so God is not white, brown, black, red or yellow. He does not have straight hair nor kinky hair. God is the Eternal Spirit that has never not existed and it is that image that we are created in. When a child is born they will never not exist again.

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                • #9
                  Going from the NIV translation, (Which I know some people despise)...

                  (Gen 3:22 NIV) And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

                  So was Gen 3:22 talking about the body not dying a physical death, or not dying a spiritual death? What was the purpose of the Tree of life (Was it to prevent physical death or spiritual death)?

                  When I say 'Eternal life' ... I am meaning, a soul living after physical death. Becuase those that have not accepted Christ, even though they have experinced the first death (Physical body), still exists in Hades, then at the final judgement into the lake of fire.

                  What I mean when I say eternal life is 'Existing eternally' after physical death - either in heaven or hades and later the lake of fire.



                  QUOTE=-SEEKING-;2370492]Could it be that they did eat of it, but were no longer allowed to?[/QUOTE]

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by -SEEKING- View Post
                    Could it be that they did eat of it, but were no longer allowed to?
                    seeking is right this ccould be.

                    if all we have is this one scripture then one can make this assumption.
                    now if we look at all scriptures that are about eternal life we will have a better understanding of what it is saying.

                    let really take a look at the Hebrew word used here.
                    לְעֹלָם. = to, into/ long duration, antiquity (for ever)

                    then at the Greek that was in most of the NT translated from the hebrew.
                    or in reference to the OT Hebrew scripture

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chad View Post
                      Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

                      So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?
                      The elect of God, which Adam represents, was created for Eternal Life through Jesus christ.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by anthony57 View Post
                        The elect of God, which Adam represents, was created for Eternal Life through Jesus christ.
                        KJV John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

                        KJV John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

                        KJV Zechariah 1:5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever?

                        KJV Exodus 15:18 The LORD(YHVH) shall reign for ever and ever.

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                        • #13
                          The elect of God, those chosen in Christ before the world began, Have been given eternal life before they are born, by their eternal union with Jesus christ, who is eternal life which was with the Father 1 jn 1:

                          1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

                          2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chad View Post
                            Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

                            So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?
                            Hi!!!chad greetings;
                            Yes, man is created with etrnal life.Gen.1:26 God made man in his image and likeness.
                            1Joh,5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word nd the Holy Ghost:
                            and these three are one.Father is God,the Word is God,and the Holy Ghost is God but they are not
                            three but, one God.Is.45:5I am the Lord,and there is none else,there is no God before me:I girded
                            thee,thou hast not known me.
                            1 Joh.5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth,the spirit,and the blood and the water.
                            This a metaphor of 1Thes.5:23 And the very God sanctify you wholly and I pray God your whole spirit,and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
                            So God has triunity but one essence one God,so as a man has spirit(life),soul,and body;but one man.God is eternal,so the spirit (life) that we receive from him is also eternal.
                            If,life itself is eternal;then what will be the purpose that we are given commandment and doctrine
                            to believe to God to have everlasting life?
                            Because if the body with out spirit is dead,so is belief with out work is dead. In believing to Jesus
                            we can have salvation of or soul.
                            We need not worry about life because the spirit(life) will never suffer death.Eccl.12:7 Then shall
                            the dust(flesh) return to the earth as it was and the spirit return to God who gave it.
                            How about the soul?Eccl.3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man(life) that goeth upward,and the spirit of the beast (soul) that goeth downward.
                            When the three component of a man seperated is prophecise in Zech.13:8-9 And it shall come to pass,that in all the land,saith the Lord,two parts therein shall be cut off and die(flesh and soul):
                            but the third shall be left therein(life)
                            v.9) And I will be bring the third,and I will refine them as silver is refined,and will try them as gold is tried:they shall call on my name,and I will hear them will say,It is my people,and they shall
                            say,the Lord is my God.Those are the foreknow conformed to the image of his Son.Rom.8:29.
                            How could our soul have eternal life?1 Joh.5:11-13 And this is the record,that hath given to us
                            eternal life,and this life is in his Son.
                            v.12)He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
                            v.13)These things have I written to you that believe on the name of the Son of God;that you may know that ye have etrnal life,and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
                            How can we eat the tree of life now it was hidden by God to man when Adam sinned?
                            The tree of life was planted at hill of Calvary were Jesus was hunged.So,Jesus preach in Matt.10:38
                            And he that taketh not his cross,and followeth me is not worthy of me.
                            Matt.11:29 Take my yoke upon you,and learn of me;for I am meek and lowly in heart:and ye shall find rest unto your soul.
                            How could we have access to the tree of life?Rev.2:7 He that hath an ear hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,which is in the
                            midst of the paradise of God.How then could we know this?
                            Joh.14:26 But the Comforter,which is the Holy Ghost,whom the Father will send in my name,he
                            shall teach you all things,and bring all things to your remembrance,whatsoever I have said uto you.Hope this help.
                            Thank you and many blessing.
                            in love of Christ./RT.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chad View Post
                              Adam and eve never ate from the tree of life (Gen 3:22), but we inherit eternal life in the sense of never being able to die spiritually. When a person dies (If they have not accepted Christ), they inherit eternal punishment in hades and then the lake of fire.

                              So were we created with eternal life from the beginning?
                              If we were created with eternal life within ourselves, why do we need to eat from the tree of life to live forever?

                              Many Blessings,
                              RW

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